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Reports: Browns cautious about potential Griffin trade

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It’s late February, which means the rumors and speculation surrounding St. Louis’ No. 2 overall pick have only just begun. In this infant stage, the Browns aren’t showing their hand by showing great interest in the pick.

John Czarnecki of FoxSports.com reports the Browns have been showing “weird, uninterested signals” in the pick.  Mike Freeman of CBSSports.com reports that Washington, Miami and Seattle have shown more interest in trading up for Robert Griffin III.

We’re not sure this means a lot at this point. Perhaps the Browns really would prefer to go after Matt Flynn in free agency. Or perhaps they just don’t want to show their intentions this early in the process, which makes a lot more sense.

Czarnecki, however, writes the Browns coaching staff “remains confused on what to do with RGIII.”

If that’s true, it says more about the Browns coaching staff than it does Griffin.

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  1. nflfollower says: Feb 27, 2012 8:46 AM

    Well I’m glad the media has already finished their evaluation of this guy. What’s taking the browns so long?

  2. burnzy32 says: Feb 27, 2012 8:47 AM

    and this is why Cleveland is “Cleveland”(insert sarcastic tone)……….get out of mediocrity and get yourself some star players!!! if your going to kick 10 field goals a game, at least look exciting getting into field goal range!

  3. coop16 says: Feb 27, 2012 8:52 AM

    It’s early in the evaluation process so as a Browns fan I’m glad the team’s brass isn’t rushing to judgment on RG3. The draft is not held this evening. They need to take their time and thoroughly investigate all possibilities. And going after Matt Flynn has got to look like an appealing option. If they like Flynn, signing him would fill the hole at QB while also allowing them to retain their two first-round picks. The team has lots of holes, so trading those picks for RG3 just means that we fill one hole while allowing others to remain open. Basically, the Browns have to ask which option is better. Is RG3 really worth more than Flynn AND two first-rounders? Maybe, but only if he’s absolutely awesome.

  4. purplengold says: Feb 27, 2012 8:54 AM

    Is it possible to show weird signals and lack of interest at the same time?

  5. waltdawg says: Feb 27, 2012 8:55 AM

    In other news, the SKINS are sharpening their pencils….

  6. bikeman99 says: Feb 27, 2012 8:58 AM

    Browns have a chance again to draft a franchise QB.

    They passed on Roethlisberger in 2004 and took some tight end named Win slow. They really are the mistake by the lake if they don’t make a run at RG3

  7. bradyquinnbiggestnflbust says: Feb 27, 2012 8:58 AM

    As a browns fan, its hard for me to see why they would give up so much to get him. We have 3 picks in the top 37 and we have many holes on the team that need to be filled. In the paper today it said st louis wants 3 first round picks to move up. I’m not sold yet on mccoy and griffin may be an elite quarterback but we need more than just a quarterback & need to keep our picks to do so

  8. brownsfandrinkingmakersmark says: Feb 27, 2012 9:00 AM

    Griffin? McCoy? Griffin? McCoy?

    “Confused???”

    I guess we are talking about a coaching staff that handed the ball off to a 3rd string tight end deep in the opponents’ territory (which he fumbled). Then in the post game press conference, the head coach said he didn’t know that guy was even on the field….

    Maybe they are confused.

  9. skito13 says: Feb 27, 2012 9:01 AM

    Ram’s ransom…. by draft day it will be huge

  10. biglebronski says: Feb 27, 2012 9:02 AM

    As a Browns fan, I would rather see RGIII go to a team that uses him properly than see his career get wasted in Cleveland. The Browns seem to be so set in their “system” that they won’t alter it even a little to accommodate for a player with rare talent. They may as well stick with a “system” QB and another decade of mediocrity.

    Go Browns.

  11. makhan250 says: Feb 27, 2012 9:03 AM

    @purplengold

    “Is it possible to show weird signals and lack of interest at the same time?”

    Yes. Just hang around some women and you’ll find it’s very possible.

  12. oldcracker says: Feb 27, 2012 9:05 AM

    If he’s there at #4, take him. If not, take best talent available. Pls do not give away the farm!

    Heckert knows what he is doing, when was the last time you could say that about the Browns…Ozzie Newsome?

    Coaching stability is more of a concern. And, if the coaching staff could “develope” some of the lower picks or undrafted FA’s!

    Still a couple years away but, finally headed in the right direction. I can only imagine what a .500 season would feel like.

  13. emmac13 says: Feb 27, 2012 9:09 AM

    Smart! Just like Texas holdem. It’s not over until it is over. Shut up or double up. Let the 4skins and other losers double up and sell the farm. A great QB and crappy team does nothing. Look at San Diego.

  14. deathmonkey41 says: Feb 27, 2012 9:09 AM

    What a shocker- a Steve Spagnuolo disciple that is confused- Spagnuolo was never confused himself. He knew exactly what he was doing…

  15. lbcoach34 says: Feb 27, 2012 9:11 AM

    his value is at an all time high – no way I would show interest right now – wait til an erronueous report of drugs and alcohol or something – then you go after him

  16. stl45fan says: Feb 27, 2012 9:11 AM

    I’m from DA LOU and the Rams WANT to trade with Cleveland! They will take LESS from Cleveland! They don’t want to go farther back than #4. They want Blackmon or Kalil. This is a match made in Goodell Heaven.

  17. laidlowo says: Feb 27, 2012 9:13 AM

    If Andrew Luck is the can’t miss kid…..Exactly what is by far better 2 than RGIII?

  18. proflonghair says: Feb 27, 2012 9:13 AM

    Isn’t this also the time of year that Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Tim Couch, JaCarcass Russel, David Carr, Joey Harrington, etc. were considered can’t miss franchise caliber quarterbacks? Forget due diligence, we saw a bunch of highlites on Sports Center, so clearly we are more capable of judging his talent than the guys who are, have been, and will be pouring over hours of actual game and practice film to study how he will fit in their system.

  19. myeaglescantwin says: Feb 27, 2012 9:15 AM

    i would take this shot to solidify the rest of the team. There are so many holes on the Browns (albiet QB is up there) that they could address with these two first round picks.

    Cause even though Andrew Luck and RGIII seem like sure fires, there are always top QBs that make teams look dumb. Nothing is a sure thing.

    taking RGIII seems like the best option, but if he isnt what the hype suggest, that franchise will be in the gutter another 10 years.

    Although i do think that Flynn would be a bigger risk.. He will require a larger contract, mostly gauranteed. + his cost will be driven up due to demand for his services.

    They can nab Richardson-rb and maybe another stud OL or WR and be set up for thier style of offense or take a chance on a young star..
    things could be worse.

  20. habsfanatic says: Feb 27, 2012 9:16 AM

    Would Flynn be a significant upgrade over McCoy or could you use that money to help the defense? Would the team be better off with RGIII and no weapons around him or McCoy/Flynn and two more young impact offensive players? This is obviously a pivotal draft for the Browns and I’m interested in seeing which way they go.

  21. raven410 says: Feb 27, 2012 9:17 AM

    I think they want to try and sign Flynn and use the 2 1st round picks on a WR and defensive player.

  22. Automatic Otto says: Feb 27, 2012 9:17 AM

    Yup, the Browns are always more interested in some retread or overpriced free agent than someone who might actually help them win. Thus, why they are the Browns.
    Let us look forward to Colt McCoy battling it out with the likes of Jason Campbell, Chad Henne or Kellen Moore.
    Predictions:
    Matt Flynn signs with Miami, Morris Claiborne is the pick at @#4 (a really good player but he isn’t going to put points on the board.) Browns ace another 4-12 season in 2012 & Pat Shurmur is gone.

  23. coop16 says: Feb 27, 2012 9:20 AM

    It’s unfair to label the Browns as “confused” on this issue. First of all, it’s early in the process; would you rather have them rushing to instant judgment? Second, the main personnel evaluator, Tom Heckert, has been ill; he had surgery recently and wasn’t able to attend the Combine. I suppose the Browns would look less “confused” if they made a snap judgment on a player without the services of their main personnel guy? Give them a break. If they made a snap judgment on RG3 without Heckert’s input, they wouldn’t look confused; they’d look like idiots.

  24. spunjmunke says: Feb 27, 2012 9:22 AM

    Maybe because the Rams want way too much. Let the Dolphins or the Skins give away their drafts. The Browns need way too much to give away the farm for one person, no matter how gifted he is.

  25. smitty012 says: Feb 27, 2012 9:22 AM

    Would be great to draft Rg3 and make him the face of the franchise…..but not at such a high cost….if they can’t, sign flynn, keep 4,22,37 and get some Playmakers!

  26. the24nick says: Feb 27, 2012 9:23 AM

    Maybe, just maybe they’re waiting to see how the qb market shakes out. Who knows, washingon could go with Flynn, Miami could go
    Manning and Tannehill as an understudy, and all the sudden the market is cut drastically and so is the offers to st Louis. It’s 2 months out, a lot can change.

  27. purplengold says: Feb 27, 2012 9:27 AM

    @makhan250

    Yes, I have seen these behaviors but usually alcohol is involved. I will hold a journalist to a higher standard.

  28. deadmanwalking47 says: Feb 27, 2012 9:30 AM

    not gonna be there cause he’ll be a redskin even if it takes a king’s ransom to trade with the rams!

  29. godofwine330 says: Feb 27, 2012 9:30 AM

    I have said this for weeks now. RGIII looks good, great even, but I am not willing to mortgage our future for one player because we need so much more than that one player. If I were Pittsburgh, New England or any more complete team and in need of a QB then maybe I would be more apt to give up my two 1st rounders and maybe a 4th, but the Cleveland Browns at minimum need a #1 WR with hands who can separate, a RT, G, pass rushing end opposite Sheard, speedy OLB, second corner opposite Haden and a SS opposite TJ Ward. We need those things just get back to 8-8! If we stand pat we could get those things and hope that McCoy becomes Drew Brees. If we trade the two #1′s, & #4 then we are left with a potentially great QB with no WR, a weak right side of the line, half a pass rush, slow linebackers, and two holes in our defensive backfield.

    I am probably in the minority, but I am standing pat hoping that McCoy becomes the next Drew Brees.

  30. lolb23 says: Feb 27, 2012 9:37 AM

    If the Browns trade all those picks for RG3, they’ll have way to surround him with the weapons needed to succeed in the NFL and he will bust.

    Instead, the Browns will send their 22nd overall to the Packers for Matt Flynn (one he is tagged) and use the 4th overall pick to select the BPA there, whether is be Richardson, Claiborne, Blackmon or someone else.

    Rams will be forced to take Kalil at 2 (the right pick for them)

    Vikes will snag Blackmon or Claiborne.

    Skins will prob end up doing something dumb and mortgaging the future to move up 1 spot with Tamps and take RG3

    Tampa takes the BPA at 6

  31. thefiesty1 says: Feb 27, 2012 9:40 AM

    Good. Don’t do it. They need other playmakers more than another QB.

  32. eaglesw00t says: Feb 27, 2012 9:44 AM

    oldcracker says:
    Feb 27, 2012 9:05 AM
    If he’s there at #4, take him. If not, take best talent available. Pls do not give away the farm!

    Heckert knows what he is doing, when was the last time you could say that about the Browns…Ozzie Newsome?

    Coaching stability is more of a concern. And, if the coaching staff could “develope” some of the lower picks or undrafted FA’s!

    Still a couple years away but, finally headed in the right direction. I can only imagine what a .500 season would feel like.

    ——————————————

    I agree with this. I wouldnt give away everything I have for Griffin. He is a track star…fantastic. Maybe I am jaded as an Eagles fan by mobile QBs. But I am tired of them. I would much rather have someone who is willing to hang in the pocket for that extra second and give his receiver a chance to get open.

    Im not saying Griffin isnt a franchise QB…I just wouldnt want him for my franchise. I would stand pat with 2 first rounders, and take BPA at both picks. With the new CBA, they are much more affordable to sign.

  33. slowclyde86 says: Feb 27, 2012 9:53 AM

    To those ripping the team, you are absolutely correct. They should clearly articulate to the rest of the league exactly what their current thinking is about the draft and free agency—and submit their picks for each round weeks in advance. THAT is the smart way to play this.

  34. scoresreport says: Feb 27, 2012 9:55 AM

    These guys must be desperate for “news.”

    All of this is a game, and so many of these reports will be a smokescreen.

    Also, RG3 has not has his pro day yet and the Browns and others are still evaluating other options. like Flynn and other potential draft picks.

    Of course they would love to have RG3 and maybe they will trade 2 first rounders. I doubt they will trade 3 of them, however.

  35. cneuey says: Feb 27, 2012 9:59 AM

    The rumor here in Indy is that the Colts are going to sign Manning to a 4 year deal and then trade him to the Browns for the #4 pick in the draft. That could be why they aren’t showing much interest in Griffin.

  36. azheat says: Feb 27, 2012 10:09 AM

    I’d buy that for a dollar.

    With the media being the media. It is funny to hear how teams play cat and mouse.

  37. olskool711 says: Feb 27, 2012 10:14 AM

    Let the Rams trade with the Redskins.

    Then, take Blackmon with the #4.

    Don’t worry about who that leaves the Rams with. :) They are pros at tieing up all the good talent and letting it go to &^%$#

    Then get yourself a good Rt. Tackle, Speed Rusher, or Guard with the #22 pick. Then get one of the above with the #37 pick.

    Pull an Indianapolis/St. Louis and tank next years season (do it properly for once!). Do whatever is necessary to get Barkley.

    If you coach up the talent, by 2014 the Browns should be in good shape.

    Dear Rocket Scientists, everyone knows that you can’t do squat in the NFL without a top Quarterback. But, the price the shams are going to ask just isn’t worth the gamble for a sidearm throwing quarterback whose poor pocket presence suggests he is going to be taking some massive hits by the AFC North defenses.

    Browns, stay the course!

  38. olskool711 says: Feb 27, 2012 10:19 AM

    One last thing.

    The best thing that could ever happen to the Browns would be to trade their first three picks to the Rams.

    …For Sam Bradford

  39. therealsmiley says: Feb 27, 2012 10:20 AM

    Team that are drafting that high can’t afford to lose thepicks to trade up. Too many holes. Rams don’t have a lot of leverage on this one. Go ahead and draft Griffin….you’ll have 2 QBs that make a lot of money. Hail!

  40. buckfigben says: Feb 27, 2012 10:21 AM

    Call them cautious, but maybe, just maybe the Browns are waiting to see their potential future franchise quarterback throw a football.

    If the Browns want him, they will get him. Not much equals those 2 firsts, and if St. Louis wants khalil, blackmon, or claiborne. They have to trade with CLV. They will have their pick of at least two of those players @4. They trade with WAS. they could lose out on all @6.

    still 2 months to go…sit back and relax.

  41. haileli says: Feb 27, 2012 10:25 AM

    There is no upside to a team tipping its hat early. If they revealed a desperate need for Griffin, the Rams just gained a ton of leverage. Misinformation is far more common than hard facts at this stage.

  42. dawglbfan says: Feb 27, 2012 10:38 AM

    Its because all the analysts says the trade will call for both our first rounders. Thats not going to happen; why would we offer both our picks when the teams we are competing with only have one.

  43. ernie ernie says: Feb 27, 2012 10:41 AM

    Why blame the Browns. Right now is the evaluation period. All teams are looking over things and that’s all they are allowed to do. They cannot strike any deals yet until March 5th when the free agent period begins so all the teams probably have numerous scenarios of what if’s going on.
    All I know is St Louis is in an envious position and even they have an enormous amount of what ifs, not knowing what they can get for the pick and from whom.

  44. dawglbfan says: Feb 27, 2012 10:45 AM

    Not only that the Browns top brass realize that the Rams really don’t want to trade with Washington because they will have no chance at Blackmon or Kalil.
    The Browns know their in the drivers seat and they are not going to bid themselves out of two first rounders.

  45. cannonballdookie says: Feb 27, 2012 10:46 AM

    Cleveland may be playing this the right way, even though RGIII may be a game-changing talent. If they do in fact offer their first round pick to move up two spots with the Rams, I don’t see who can beat that offer. That is already a great deal for St Louis who has EVERY incentive to trade down, asking for another pick would just be overkill, imo.

  46. Automatic Otto says: Feb 27, 2012 10:46 AM

    LOL!!!! Welcome to Comedy Central! Sign and trade Peyton Manning to Browns! Give a top 5 pick for a guy who has had four surgeries in the last year?!!? You are a little early on the April Fool’s day jokes dude!

  47. dawglbfan says: Feb 27, 2012 10:56 AM

    olskool; “poor pocket presence” Did you ever watch him play? I did’t think so… cause if you did you would realize he is a great pocket passer and he is not a run first guy. You don’t win the Heisman with “poor pocket presence.” That’s a huge misconception about Griffin. Watch some tape…
    and oh…we prefer Rocket Propulsion Engineer

  48. clwb419 says: Feb 27, 2012 11:01 AM

    “Czarnecki, however, writes the Browns coaching staff remains confused on what to do with RGIII.”

    Yeah, I’m sure Holmgren, Heckert, or Shurmer told this guy that they’re confused. Perhaps they’re not that interested in him? Perhaps they want to give McCoy a chance? Considering he’s had 2 coaching staffs in 2 years and had no time under a new offense before the season, and considering he had very little talent around him at RB or WR with a somewhat weak O-Line early in the season…maybe, and considering that the team has many holes – name a position…

    Considering all of this, maybe the smart thing to do is not to give up 2 first rounders plus more for 1 player…

    Confused, I suspect the only one confused is this Czarnecki guy.

  49. whatswiththehate says: Feb 27, 2012 11:02 AM

    So, to guarantee you a spot at the top of the foodchain in the NFL without any questions asked, you have to be two things…WHITE and YOUR FATHER HAVE TO ONCE PLAYED IN THE NFL.Everyone else has to be subjected to ramdem testing and intense scrutiny before being selected for the job.

    Not much different than how this society really operates. How shocking.

  50. firstandonlywarning says: Feb 27, 2012 11:13 AM

    Oh what?
    People starting to realize that RGIII is the guy everyone hopes SOMEONE ELSE takes a chance on?

    LOL

    ZERO chance Holmgren wants this guy

    Only the Skins are dumb enough to draft RGIII

    Sorry Africans, yet another QB bust
    Accept it

  51. loungefly74 says: Feb 27, 2012 11:13 AM

    it will be interesting to see how this all plays out in April…but man, i love the drama it creates! the “official” season is over but here we are discussing football. there is no “off-season”. i luv it.

  52. cannonballdookie says: Feb 27, 2012 11:15 AM

    whatswiththehate says: Feb 27, 2012 11:02 AM

    So, to guarantee you a spot at the top of the foodchain in the NFL without any questions asked, you have to be two things…WHITE and YOUR FATHER HAVE TO ONCE PLAYED IN THE NFL.Everyone else has to be subjected to ramdem testing and intense scrutiny before being selected for the job.

    Not much different than how this society really operates. How shocking.
    —————————————-

    Yup, because that whiteboy Cam Newton wasn’t the first pick last year.

  53. godofwine330 says: Feb 27, 2012 11:18 AM

    I’m going to cave slightly on my outright refusal to offer my other #1 to the Rams. Because I KNOW that they rewally don’t want to move out of the top 4 and lose out on Blackmon or Kalil, I offer my #22 overall for either their #33 overall (they can move up 9 spots) or the #66 overall, but I am not giving up two first round picks (2 players) to move up two spots. They have got to meet me in the middle with another player/pick.

  54. couldntthinkofaname says: Feb 27, 2012 11:28 AM

    coop16 says: Feb 27, 2012 9:20 AM

    It’s unfair to label the Browns as “confused” on this issue. First of all, it’s early in the process; would you rather have them rushing to instant judgment? Second, the main personnel evaluator, Tom Heckert, has been ill; he had surgery recently and wasn’t able to attend the Combine. I suppose the Browns would look less “confused” if they made a snap judgment on a player without the services of their main personnel guy? Give them a break. If they made a snap judgment on RG3 without Heckert’s input, they wouldn’t look confused; they’d look like idiots.

    ______________________

    Totally agree, Coop. I remember when Alex Smith was coming into the NFL. Before the draft, Czaridiot wrote that the Browns should move up to draft him, but “that would make too much sense.” Smith had a very good season this year, but he was never worth the top pick.

    All Holmgren and Heckert are doing are taking their time and exploring their options. If that strikes Czarnecki as confustion, I’m certainly not shocked.

  55. hound32 says: Feb 27, 2012 11:33 AM

    my Browns coaching staff is confused ? they were very confused last season . if RGIII Drops to # 4 then i guess you draft him . we have far to many other needs to move up for him .

    stick with McCoy for one more season . or sign a veteran to either back him up or maybe start . get them some new toys to play with this draft . let the Skins or whomever fall in love with RGIII . Let them give up the rest of there draft . if the Browns move up . i hope they dont i will lose what little faith i have left in the Walrus .

  56. td40 says: Feb 27, 2012 11:43 AM

    “Cleveland is confused” = “PFT is confused because we want to scoop everyone else and be able to report exactly what everyone is going to do and Cleveland is being smart by not putting their cards on the table and that annoys us- so *we’ll* call *them* confused.”

  57. pedrovillegas21 says: Feb 27, 2012 11:45 AM

    best case scenario for the Browns is the RAMS & VIKINGS demands are way too much, they end up using their picks and RGIII fallls to 4…it would suck to give up so much for just 1 player, but this may be the guy too do it for

  58. olskool711 says: Feb 27, 2012 11:46 AM

    dawglbfan,

    I will hold to my comment and disagree with you.

    His footwork in the pocket is not good.

    His ability to feel the pressure and slip or step up while staying in the pocket is practally non-existent.

    I’ve seen him play.

    This is clearly his most significant, obvious weakness. At this point, he will take some massive hits. Just like Vick. You don’t have to be a Rocket Propulsion Engineer to see it.

    We disagree.

  59. utteke says: Feb 27, 2012 11:53 AM

    As good as RG3 has looked I could still see him slipping to the 4th pick if Washington does not make a blockbuster deal. If the Rams are going to get multiple 1st round picks then they almost have to do a deal.

    The Rams seem to really like Kalil and the only way they are getting him is to stand pat and take him. If that happens the Vikings will probably take Blackmon or someone on the defensive side of the ball.

    Everyone’s postering right now and it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

  60. olskool711 says: Feb 27, 2012 12:13 PM

    If the Redskins sign Flynn or Manning then the Rams lose quite a bit of their leverage. It does appear that the Redskins aren’t going to do that however.

    But, Jeff Fisher’s history suggests he isn’t that focused on bringing in bigtime playmakers, so he may not be concerned with the fact that the Rams need Blackmon very, very badly. (He was really lucky to get Chris Johnson late in the first round)

    One scenario I see happening is that the Redskins give up two firsts and two seconds for Griffin, then the Browns immediately start taking calls for the 4th pick to see if they can get close to what they received in the Julio deal last year.

    The Rams better really like Claiborne.

  61. zestquest says: Feb 27, 2012 3:11 PM

    What folks like PFT don’t get is that a MAJORITY of Browns are cautious on RGIII. Many still like Shrimpy McCoy. Not moving up won’t hurt them w/ fans.

    Why? Two words: Tim Couch. Two more: Brady Quinn. We’re now gunshy on 1st-rd. QB’s, and many buy the “we have so many holes” line.

    Nat. media should NOT be surprised when they make little or no effort to get RGIII.

  62. tr975 says: Feb 27, 2012 4:49 PM

    If the Rams want to trade with Cleveland and Cleveland only so badly, then the Browns should offer the #4 pick ONLY to move up to #2. If the Rams want Kalil or Blackmon so badly that they only want to move down to #4 and not any farther, then they should accept a one-for-one trade with the Browns.

  63. joeisaturtle says: Feb 27, 2012 9:51 PM

    Tr975, that is one of the dumbest things I have heard. Why would they trade to move down two places for nothing. DUMB. There has got to be some incentive to trade or they might as well stay put.

  64. joeisaturtle says: Feb 27, 2012 9:54 PM

    Offer the two first round picks. That’s it. You people act like the draft is the only way to obtain players.

  65. mmajosh says: Feb 27, 2012 11:34 PM

    Ha, this is a classic case of annoyed media because the Browns are keeping people out of the “know”. A smart play by the Browns…keep everyone guessing.

  66. tr975 says: Feb 27, 2012 11:59 PM

    joeisaturtle says:

    Tr975, that is one of the dumbest things I have heard. Why would they trade to move down two places for nothing. DUMB. There has got to be some incentive to trade or they might as well stay put.
    ———
    Wouldn’t it be one of the dumbest things I have READ, rather than heard?

    Anyway, it’s only dumb to you because you cannot grasp the concept of what it was I was saying. I don’t know how to dumb it down enough for you to understand it but I will try.

    If the Rams want to trade out, but want to stay in a range that allows them a chance at Matt Kalil, Justin Blackmon or Morris Claiborne, they probably would have to stay above pick #5. Now, Tampa Bay at #5 has no interest in moving up for Griffin, neither does Minnesota at #3. Who does that leave? Cleveland at #4. So, if the Rams do not want to trade down any farther than #4, the Browns should only offer that pick, nothing more. If the Rams don’t want to accept it, fine. Stay at #2, try to find another team to trade up and hope to get someone they want at whatever spot they go to, whatever. You see, if the Rams or Vikings get too greedy in their demands to trade out, Cleveland will get Griffin at #4, so they have no reason to move up. If the Redskins, Dolphins, or some other team wants to give away half or more of their draft this year, possibly picks from next year, have at it.

  67. tr975 says: Feb 28, 2012 12:18 AM

    joeisaturtle says:

    Offer the two first round picks. That’s it. You people act like the draft is the only way to obtain players.
    ——–
    Everyone is so cavalier when it’s another team that has the two 1st round picks, but I guarantee if it was their own team that had them, they would be a bit more hesitant to just offer them up.

    No, the draft is not the only way to obtain players, but you cannot guarantee that you will get the players you want in free agency. The Browns could say that they will send the Rams 2 additional picks in order to move up and take Griffin, because they can get a RB, WR and CB in free agency. But, what happens when the players they want in free agency sign elsewhere and now they don’t have those picks to choose players or move up later in the draft to get a specific player they want?

  68. tr975 says: Feb 28, 2012 8:29 AM

    ESPN’s John Clayton insists the price for the No. 2 overall pick has risen so high that only the Browns and Redskins have the ammo to trade up for Robert Griffin III.

    The Browns boast the trump card with a higher pick in addition to an extra first-rounder, leaving the Redskins under pressure to put together a Ricky Williams-type package of picks in 2012 and 2013. Working against the Dolphins, Seahawks, and “surprise” teams is the sentiment that the Rams may only identify six-to-seven blue-chip players at the top of the draft. The further away from No. 2, the less likely St. Louis is to land their top target.
    ——-
    Just more information to back up what I have been saying.

    Anyway, what I don’t understand is how everyone is assuming that the #2 pick is the only spot to be traded for. As greedy as the Rams are being, teams are going to start ignoring them and talking to the Vikings and possibly the Browns about #3 and #4.

  69. joeisaturtle says: Feb 28, 2012 2:48 PM

    You are so clever tr. Thank you for insinuating I’m stupid. I appreciate that.

    This is why that is a stupid comment. The Rams have a the equivalent to a 2012 corvette for a pick and the browns a 2010 Corvette for a pick. The Rams handing us the 2nd pick strait up would be like trading the keys of your 2012 vette for those of the 2010 vette. They are both nice cars but why would you choose the older model? They would be risking what they want for no reward at all. It makes no sense on any planet. Why would the Rams do the Brownies a favor? In my unknowledgable opinion, the first two first round picks (4 and 22) would be my offer. If you don’t get it with that it goes beyond being worth the risk of RGIII busting.

    Did I make it simple enough for you.

  70. tr975 says: Feb 28, 2012 3:35 PM

    joeisaturtle says: Feb 28, 2012 2:48 PM

    You are so clever tr. Thank you for insinuating I’m stupid. I appreciate that.

    This is why that is a stupid comment. The Rams have a the equivalent to a 2012 corvette for a pick and the browns a 2010 Corvette for a pick. The Rams handing us the 2nd pick strait up would be like trading the keys of your 2012 vette for those of the 2010 vette. They are both nice cars but why would you choose the older model? They would be risking what they want for no reward at all. It makes no sense on any planet. Why would the Rams do the Brownies a favor? In my unknowledgable opinion, the first two first round picks (4 and 22) would be my offer. If you don’t get it with that it goes beyond being worth the risk of RGIII busting.

    Did I make it simple enough for you.
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    Why would the Rams do the Browns a favor? Well, why would the Browns do the Rams a favor? As it stands right now, the Rams are being so greedy and only wanting to move down so far that the only teams that they want to trade with are Cleveland and Washington (plus the fact that they may be the only two teams that have the ammo-in the Rams’ mind-to make such a trade).

    That being said, the Browns DON’T HAVE TO MOVE UP for the opportunity to get Griffin, while the Redskins DO HAVE TO MOVE UP for that opportunity. The ball is firmly in Cleveland’s court. Not Washington’s, not even St. Louis’. That’s why the Browns should not offer their 2 1st round picks, a 1st and a 2nd, a 1st and anything else. If the Rams cannot get the Redskins to accept their demands to give up something like a 1st this year and next, a 2nd this year and next, Dan Snyder’s first born, season passes to Six Flags, 5 cheerleaders, and the Hogettes, then what does that leave for the Rams? NOTHING. They can stay at #2 and pick whoever they choose. Then it becomes the same situation with the Vikings. Do they want to move down so far that they lose out on Kalil or Blackmon (either taken by the Rams if they stay at #2) or someone like Claiborne, or stay at #3 and make sure they get who they want? Either way, the Browns are sitting pretty at #4 and if another team like the Redskins wants to sell off most of their draft in order to move up for someone who could be the next Aaron Rodgers or the next Vince Young or the next Akili Smith, fine. Let them. The Browns can then offer that #4 pick around and gain more picks and fill more needs.

    See, the Rams are trying to get a trade done as quickly as possible because they know that once free agency starts, the teams they want to trade with are most likely going to get a QB through that route. Let’s say Flynn to the Browns, Manning to the Redskins hypothetically. Even if the Redskins don’t sign a QB in free agency, but the Browns do, the Rams just lost all trade leverage, because now the Dolphins, Redskins, Chiefs, Seahawks, etc., know they only have to move up to #4 or #5 to get Griffin away from the other teams, not all the way to #2 and the Rams exorbitant demands. So, in your analogy, maybe that 2012 Corvette isn’t looking so great right now. Show me the Carfax.

  71. vbev63 says: Feb 28, 2012 3:38 PM

    Neither Griffin nor Flynn wants to be a Brown down deep inside, but only Flynn has the means to avoid being a Brown…As much as I hate to see Colt stay there and get his brains beat out another year, I also like the other two guys and do not believe either really fits the Browns right now…..So if the Browns management is smart here is what I would do in 2012. Resign Hillis but draft Richardson, and Dump Montario,,,,Then you should have a backfield keeping Chris Obenya and the guy the got from GB last year….Get a couple of FA offensive lineman and draft one or two….Find a flier at WR who has hands and draft him, and that should fix the main parts of the offense….Then see what Colt can do as QB in his third year….I would get a real back-up/mentor QB and cut Senica the whiner. All this gives Colt the chance he has never had to be an NFL QB, and actually places him where Holmgren had planed for him to be to begin with, with a much better team around him before he had to start.

  72. tr975 says: Feb 28, 2012 3:46 PM

    joeisaturtle says:

    You are so clever tr. Thank you for insinuating I’m stupid. I appreciate that.
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    Based on your name, I just assumed you were slow.

  73. tr975 says: Feb 28, 2012 4:15 PM

    The Cleveland Plain Dealer’s Terry Pluto believes the price for the Browns to trade up to No. 2 overall is both 2012 first-round picks as well as the 2013 first-rounder.

    NFL Insider Charley Casserly agrees, suggesting a trio of first-rounders could clinch the deal. With rookie salaries deflated, multiple teams desperately in need of a franchise savior, and the top two quarterbacks set in stone, the Rams will simply take advantage of supply-and-demand while throwing Jimmy Johnson’s point-value trade chart out the window. Pluto’s suggestion lends more credence to the weekend report that the Redskins realize they will need to part with their top three 2012 picks and “at least” their 2013 first-round pick to land RGIII.
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    TWO additional 1st round picks to move up 2 spots? Two words: HELL and NO.

    If the Redskins want to give up “at least” a 1st, 2nd and 3rd this year and a 1st next year, enjoy. You won’t be able to add anything around Griffin, but at least you can say you got him.

  74. buckfigben says: Feb 29, 2012 10:12 AM

    If I’m CLV. I offer

    2012
    1st round
    2nd round
    4th round

    2013
    2nd round

    take it or leave it.
    I can stay @4 and potentially take the guy they want. Let them move to 6, let washington offer a crappier deal once we bow out and wish everyone luck.

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