Vikings feeling left out in NFL draft trade talks

Reuters

The reports that the Rams have already decided to trade the second overall pick to whatever team will give up the most to move up and draft Robert Griffin III are viewed as bad news in Minnesota.

Jeremy Fowler of the Pioneer Press notes that the Vikings are interested in trading down but that all the interest in the Rams’ No. 2 overall pick means the Vikings’ No. 3 overall pick isn’t generating any interest.

There’s nothing the least bit surprising about that. There are two hot prospects in this year’s draft — Andrew Luck and Griffin — and that means the two top picks are the ones that have huge value for a potential blockbuster trade. The Colts will use their pick on Luck, and the Rams will use their pick to get a king’s ransom for a team that covets Griffin.

That leaves the Vikings at No. 3, but that’s not such a bad thing. Last year the Vikings used their first-round pick on Christian Ponder, who they hope will be their franchise quarterback for years to come, and this year the Vikings will get the best non-quarterback in the first round of the draft. There are worse positions to be in.

97 responses to “Vikings feeling left out in NFL draft trade talks

  1. But they have to pay that #3 non-QB a bunch of money (even with the rookie scale, it is a bunch of money). I suspect they a. don’t want to do that, and b. they want to get a bunch of picks.

  2. I’m not all informed on the Vikings’ needs, but wouldn’t it make sense to draft Matt Kalil since Steve Hutchinson is getting up in age and will likely be cut? Kalil is arguably the best O-lineman in the draft, and could anchor their line for years to come.

  3. No one saw the Julio Jones trade coming last year. don’t be shocked if Blackmon, Richardson or Kahil aren’t the big target at #3 for a near-contender in the teens.

  4. Who knows, maybe a team like Atlanta last year might want Justin Blackmon or Matt Kalil reallllly bad. Not very many people saw Atlanta drafting in the top 6 last year.

  5. You telling me no team is willing to go up for Blackmon or Kalil ? Once RGIII gets sorted out, there will be teams that may target either of these guys.

  6. The win at Washington set this team back at least two years. You get the win, which drops you from the #2 pick to #3. You lose A.P. late in the season, so now he may not be back until October, and probably not full speed until late next season or the beginning of the 2013-2014 season. If you had the #2 pick you get a minimum of two more picks to help rebuild a team with a lot of holes. Instead you sit at #3 and unless someone comes out of the blue, you miss out on all the action for a possible trading down scenario. I don’t care what anyone says, this has to be the franchise with the worst luck of any NFL team. 4 Super Bowls, no titles! 4 NFC championship games since 87′, NO Super Bowl appearances. Herschel Walker trade, (anyone heard of that). Love Boat, no new staduim. Good grief, it is tough being a Vikings fan.

  7. Unless the Rams shock the world and drat Kalil at #2. Not really a bad proposition in itself.

  8. The Vikes will see some action for the spot as they approach draft day. Trading it for extra picks would be the smart thing to do, given the near total collapse of the team last year.
    Of course, as a Packers fan, I hope for nothing but the worst on this club, and hope the “wise” decisions they have made over the past few years continue.
    As of right now, they will continue to look up at the Bears, Lions and Packers. It’s a good example of letting your team get old all at once.

  9. Rams better not ask too much bc the teams who want to move up might boycott them nd deal with Vikings. I highly doubt that if the Rams got stuck with the 2nd pick that they would take RG3.

  10. Besides, there wouldn’t be any interest now because other teams don’t know what they’re trading for yet. After the 2nd pick is completed is when the trade senarios for 3rd overall would play out.

  11. Yeah what’s to complain about? They’re going to get a franchise LT at the top of the draft, and with all the DT/DE/OLB guys seemingly shooting up the board into the first round, it looks like some pretty good WR or TE will drop into the late first/ early second, which will work out well for the Vikings.

  12. Definitely good news for the Vikes. They get the best player not named Griffin or Luck and they don’t have to break the bank to pay him.

  13. Not that this would help the Vikings, but I don’t understand why more “pundits” aren’t talking about how teams can refuse to pay a “King’s Ransom” to the Rams by playing them off against the Vikings. If I were a team I would be talking to the Vikings to see what it would take to get the #3 pick and then start there in negotiations with the Rams…teams could call their bluff and say go ahead…we know you aren’t picking Rg3 but the Vikings could…..

  14. (As a Vikings fan-Mr. Spielman, PLEASE don’t overthink this. Take Kalil. We can grab WR and defense via free agency and draft. Franchise LT’s are only available HERE.

  15. Okay, how about this one, Rick. For the 3rd overall pick, we’ll offer you AJ Feeley and Lamar Gordon

  16. Kalil is the best thing that could happen to them! Trading down for more picks is an iffy situation, especially with Speilman’s bottom round record.

    I think it’s more Fowler whining than Rick. But you know how those darn reporters are…..

  17. So the Vikings will get their pick of Kalil (almost certain to be the pick), Blackmon and Claiborne…three top prospects, all at huge positions of need. Get me a violin.

  18. They should center this draft around weapons and protection for ponder.

    why not simply take the best OL available and give this QB of the future someone to protect him for the rest of his career. Kalil was the best OT in the draft before the combine where he went and impressed. . So whats the big deal here??

    Then theres Blackmon, why not get a WR which you’ve havent had since Moss & Carter,, if they grab a WR to put on the other side of Harvin, that offense would be significantly upgraded.

    Hell, they could go WR with the first two picks and be in great shape to develop Ponder.

  19. The Vikings can only think “what if we had not won that meaningless wk 16gm against the skins”…I don’t care what spin Frazier or the Vikings might try to put on it, it was a major screw-up and everyone knows it. It’s rather elementary, you play to win when it benefits you and you play to lose when it benefits you. With this lack of foresight, don’t be surprised if the Vikings screw up this draft.

  20. I’m not liking this simply because I think it’s too early to take an OT and the Vikings need to stockpile early picks. I know people are all crazy over Kalil, but if you look at LTs around the league, very few are even first round picks. Is Kalil THAT much better than other LTs like Reily Reiff? I’m not convinced… in fact, Reiff plays with flawless technique and Kalil plays too upright.

    So is Kalil really the pick we want 3rd overall? Maybe, but not if you could trade back, pick up a pair of 1st round picks or a 1st and a 2nd, you can still get a guy like Reiff as well as another great player or two.

    Is drafting Kalil better than drafting Reily Reiff, Luke Kuechly and Micheal Floyd? Clearly not.

  21. Some of you guys need to relax on Matt Kalil. He is not a complete LT. He is not as strong a run blocker as Jonathon Martin from Stanford, and oh, Martin also protected the blind side of a guy named Andrew Luck pretty damn well. I would rather trade down a few spots, get Martin and another two picks. 3 players is better than 1. Plus, the Vikings have made it clear, the offense runs around #28. So, with an explosive run blocker aiding the run game, the passing game will be more effective.

  22. With all the holes the Vikings have to fill, it would be much nicer to be sitting at #2 right now – yes, O-line is a need – but so is D-Line, Linebacker, and Secondary. Winning that Washington game was just another in a long list of screw-ups that the Vikings can’t seem to fix.

  23. And for those that think the Vikings will be getting another Joe Thomas or Jake Long… Hmm. Boy, Thomas sure has made Colt McCoy such a Pro Bowl QB.. Oh wait, the Browns want RG3. And last I checked, Long has made Chad Henne into a HOFer.

  24. With the Browns shopping the 2nd pick and only two “must-have” draftees, this was to be expected. If the worst thing that happens is that they just draft Kallil, who the hell cares?

  25. The Redskins should make a ”pending” agreement with the Vikings, agreeing to trade their 1st and 2nd and next year’s 3rd, if they agree to trade the #3 pick if the Rams do not pick or trade RGIII. If the Rams do pick or trade RGIII, then the Vikings will still be compensated with a 2016 7th rd pick [that is needed to make the deal binding].

  26. The Vikings should just be patient… if the Rams get too greedy, they wont find a trade partner and will be forced to take wither Kalil or Blackmon… then the Vikings will then be able to command the king’s ransom.

  27. It’s funny that every time there is a Vikings story posted, Packer fans feel the need to comment and dig on the Vikes. There is no need to to even think about the Vikes. Enjoy your own team, you know? The one that has actually accomplished something in it’s history.

  28. The Vikings aren’t in that bad of a spot. If the Rams ask too much and get no takers for that #2 spot, they will be stuck choosing someone other that Griffin, That would leave the Vikings the hot pick.

    I believe the Rams will get something for the pick. Perhaps, a first rounder this year, 2nd round this year and a second, third for next year. I don’t think they will get any more than that. Griffin is a hot commodity, but not that hot. You never know what the future will bring.

  29. Spielman just needs to take the usual Minnesota approach.

    “No one is talking about us, but so what? There is more to life than football, you hicks. Like art, theatre and bike paths. We have those. No other city in the country has these things, therefore we are superior to you. Sorry to confront you about it. I usually don’t address problems directly, I usually smile and then trash you behind your back to everyone I can, in Minnesota tradition.”

  30. tomtusa says:
    Feb 28, 2012 10:25 AM
    And for those that think the Vikings will be getting another Joe Thomas or Jake Long… Hmm. Boy, Thomas sure has made Colt McCoy such a Pro Bowl QB.. Oh wait, the Browns want RG3. And last I checked, Long has made Chad Henne into a HOFer.

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    Conversely, guys like Tarik Glenn and Matt Light helped Manning and Brady become two of the best QBs of their generation. It isn’t Thomas’s and Long’s fault that McCoy and Henne haven’t developed. Imagine how bad they might be without great protection.

  31. They were 2-9 last year in 7 point games.

    Take Kalil and move Johnson to guard, you just upgraded 40% of your line with 1 move.

    Move E. Griffen to weakside LB and move Greenway to middle, that solves 2 needs as well.

    The secondary was torn up by injuries but not really that good to begin with, need to maybe trade a pick for Asante hope you can get Cook’s head on straight and move Winfield to safety.

    Find another DB and a WR in free agency then pray like heck that AP and Toby make full recoveries!!

    Going to have some money with #40 retiring and either cutting or getting Hutch to restructure plus a couple other unhealthy contracts that won’t be renewed!

  32. It’s funny that every time there is a Vikings story posted, Packer fans feel the need to comment and dig on the Vikes. There is no need to to even think about the Vikes. Enjoy your own team, you know? The one that has actually accomplished something in it’s history.

    Please…..go on any Packer article and the 8 year old Viking trolls are out in hordes.

  33. I really don’t see how the Rams can get too greedy. They listen to all the offers from teams wanting to trade up for RGIII, then choose the option that gives them the best deal….unless it’s Seattle, in which case, they ask for two more picks or threaten to make the trade to the second-highest bidder (divisional rivals, after all, would be required to pay a bigger price, since the QB drafted may be thrashing on the Rams twice a year for the next decade).

    There’s a chance the Vikes will see some action, if they think they can get their OL or WR prospect a few picks later. Remember, the top five picks don’t cost a king’s ransom in cap space anymore, and will be more highly-valued this year than in previous years. Personally, if I were them, I’d wait until the last second for a “Ricky Williams” type trade scenario (some poor team willing to give up way too much to get a targeted player), and if that doesn’t happen, take Kalil and be happy with the upgrade at the most important position on the O-line.

  34. farmbig, I agree about winning a meaning less game but tearing up AP’s knee? That was just a fluke hit. How can they blame themselves for that?

  35. I get sick of these “feeling based” headlines and stories you guys come up with for filler on this website. The story in the Pioneer Press states nothing about them “feeling left out”. It states: “Vikings general manager Rick Spielman has publicly expressed his interest in trading the pick to accumulate more early-round selections.” Big deal. Behind their hand of cards I am guessing they are giddy about having no competition for Kalil. Quit making up garbage stories about McNabb, Manning, Favre and report something real when it happens.

  36. What’s wrong gbchoke? Self esteem ruined for another year because your team choked? Why don’t you do us all a favor here in Mn, just go home you parasite. Stop leeching for our jobs. Go home and roll around naked with your rodgers fathead.

  37. “There are worse positions to be in.”
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    Yeah. The positions the Lions were in the previous nine years. Eight of nine years…all top 10 picks. Four were either picks one or two. That’s a lot of salary cap tied up pre-sane CBA. Thanks again, Mutt Millen.

  38. Da Vikes know they need a lot and understandibly would like a bunch of picks. I bet they would take two or three second round picks for the third pick.
    They are in rebuilding mode and that takes several drafts or a lot of picks.

  39. Over-thinking this, and subsequently trading out of this spot would be a huge mistake for the Vikings. Kalil is a beast, and solidifies your LT spot for the next decade. This is a no brainer of a pick.

  40. “There are worse positions to be in.”
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    Yeah. the Lions picking 1st or 2nd three out of the last four drafts. Now that’s a lot of salary cap. If the new CBA had been in effect, the Lions would be in terrific shape regardng the cap. As it is, not so.

  41. Not that this would help the Vikings, but I don’t understand why more “pundits” aren’t talking about how teams can refuse to pay a “King’s Ransom” to the Rams by playing them off against the Vikings. If I were a team I would be talking to the Vikings to see what it would take to get the #3 pick and then start there in negotiations with the Rams…teams could call their bluff and say go ahead…we know you aren’t picking Rg3 but the Vikings could…..
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    The Rams aren’t stupid (ok, they are not THAT stupid). The Rams will trade the pick to the highest bidder. All indications are that several teams are interested in RGIII at #2. Why would anyone deal with the Vikings until after the #2 pick has occurred? Why trade with the Vikings if some other team could still trade with the Rams for the #2 pick?

  42. The Browns will trade both first round picks they have to the Rams. My guess is that it is already a done deal, and the rams are telling everyone to prepare their fans base.

  43. Interesting, I would like to hear from the people who felt you should play to win down the stretch. That Washington Win set this franchise back several years, you lose AP, you lose potential assets you could have gained by trading the # 2 pick (talk of up to 3 first round picks). Yes you will get a good player at 3, but you could have accelerated the rebuild process by stockpiling # 1 picks over the next couple years if you had the #2 pick. As always it’s tough being a vikings fan, but at least I’m not a browns or seahawks fan!

  44. “gb4mn0 says:Feb 28, 2012 9:25 AM

    What a bunch of attention starved cry babies. I’ll bet both Lund’s and Byerly’s are out of Depends.”

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    greg jennings and now donald driver on “dancing with the stars”…….no attention starvation there is there, LOL

  45. minnyjoe— Peterson was dealing with injury concern before the Washington game– he should have been shelved for the remainder of a meaningless season–THAT is where the coaching staff shoulders the blame for not having Peterson at full strength for 2012.

  46. The Vikings have 10 picks already in the draft. Unless they just don’t value elite LT as much as other teams there isn’t really much reason not to take Kalil, if in fact RGIII is going #2 as advertised.

    If I were GM, I’d trade with the Rams for their #2, take RGIII while the Rams still get Kalil. Then I’d trade away Ponder for a 2nd rounder and build a team around an elite college passer.

  47. @vikingfan101 who said: “I don’t understand why more “pundits” aren’t talking about how teams can refuse to pay a “King’s Ransom” to the Rams by playing them off against the Vikings… teams could call [the Rams’] bluff and say go ahead… we know you aren’t picking RG3…”

    I agree that that’s a possibility, although it’s not likely. There are enough QB-hungry teams around that one of them will cave to the Rams’ demands.

  48. The Vikes would be wise to use their draft picks, including their #3. The most successful teams patiently build through the draft. Offensive linemen go much earlier now than they did several years ago. The Vikes might have won the Super Bowl if they could have protected Favre in the championship game. Invest in protecting your QB for the next 10 years.

  49. dboskie says:
    Feb 28, 2012 9:25 AM
    The win at Washington set this team back at least two years. You get the win, which drops you from the #2 pick to #3. You lose A.P. late in the season, so now he may not be back until October, and probably not full speed until late next season or the beginning of the 2013-2014 season. If you had the #2 pick you get a minimum of two more picks to help rebuild a team with a lot of holes. Instead you sit at #3 and unless someone comes out of the blue, you miss out on all the action for a possible trading down scenario. I don’t care what anyone says, this has to be the franchise with the worst luck of any NFL team. 4 Super Bowls, no titles! 4 NFC championship games since 87′, NO Super Bowl appearances. Herschel Walker trade, (anyone heard of that). Love Boat, no new staduim. Good grief, it is tough being a Vikings fan.

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    Yea, during that redskins game rex through a pic that looked like it was suppose to be hand wrapped by shanahan himself. Then Mistral Raymond acts like the most excited player ever as does Leslie. I remember thinking that too.

    So we lose AP who will never be the same.

    And we lose a shot at the number 1 pic too.

    F n Awesome.

    it’s hard to be a vikes fan

    skol…..

  50. if are RG3 is still on the board of course trade your pick or pick him! if RG3 is gone pass up on kalil and draft Blackmon. Riley Reiff and Jonathan Martin are solid offensive tackle and will be pro bowlers the will bet there for our second round pick!

  51. first…no one in the nfl plays or coaches to lose. get beat…lose your job.

    second…draft Kalil then talk trade in 2nd round

  52. You idiots who say they should have lost to Washington make me sick. The players play to win. They don’t care about where the draft pick falls. Do you really want a league where teams are tanking it just so they can move up a spot in the draft?

  53. He had an ankle injury which by no means has any relationship to the knee injury. He took a hit at a bad angle and it popped, no correlation at all.

  54. “I don’t care what anyone says, this has to be the franchise with the worst luck of any NFL team”

    Cleveland Browns on line one.

    Anyway, Minnesota should just sit on that pick and call Kahil’s agent to an start exchanging numbers.

  55. Do any other NFL fans find it hilarious that not only do Packers, Bears, and Lions fans take time out of their day to come here and bash my team, and not only that, the cowards only do it when we have a bad season. You can bet when the Packers have a bad season, the green booger looking fans retreat to the ugly nose that’s known as Wisconson, and shut their mouths. What’s the point of acting like your team is God when next season, they could be at the bottom of the NFC North. Sure, it probably won’t happen, but you can’t say for sure it won’t. Quit acting like your team is invincible, because if I remember 2 years ago my 40 year old QB was making your team look like they drafted from a Pop Warner football team.
    *If you delete this comment I will take it as an attack on my 1st Amendment rights/freedom of speech.

  56. This is a tough choice. I would like to see Blackmon or Kalil in purple. I’m just not familiar with the rest of the tackles or wr to know how much they drop off after the first three at each position. If the Rookie OL guys we have can’t be developed or will never approach Kalil…. take him…

  57. Anyone else think the Vikings are cursing Joe Webb right about now?

    2010 – Lead a meaningless late season win over the Eagles. Vikes drop from 6th to 12th in the draft. Cleveland goes on to trade the 6th pick to Atlanta for a boatload of picks (although Vikes probably inexplicably still select Ponder).

    2011 – Leads Minnesota to a late season inconsequential victory over Washington. The Vikings drop from 2nd to 3rd in the draft; or in other words – giving up the RGIII auction and the haul it will bring.

    Two worthless wins in comparison to the treasure trove of picks that could have helped speed-up the rebuilding process.

    Only the Vikings can lose so badly by winning!! Ah, the tortured life of a Vikings fan…at least it’s never dull!

  58. gb4mn0 says:Feb 28, 2012 9:25 AM

    What a bunch of attention starved cry babies. I’ll bet both Lund’s and Byerly’s are out of Depends.
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    ………..says a packers fan on a vikings related topic…..mmm…..who is really attention starved?

  59. I’m not sure why this is. The Rams will NOT use the 2d pick on rgIII. if they start getting too outrageous in their demands, other teams will flake and the 3d pick has more value.

    Unfortunately Snyder is a desperate buffoon who will sell the farm for one good prospect.

  60. Draft Kalil. Regardless of where you stand on Brett Favre’s abilities, there is no denying that he was a tough SOB. This is the line that finally got him killed. After he went down (taking shot, after shot) they put in “mobile” Tarvaris who didn’t make it through ONE game. They they put in super-mobile Webb who spent nearly every play scrambling for his life (and when he didn’t he was getting pounded into the ground). The following year, there was the Donovan disaster (which I personally feel was almost as much the line’s fault as Donovan’s), and Ponder gets hurt. Seriously, asking somebody to line up behind these clowns is like asking somebody to get in line for the firing squad.

  61. Only way Vikings get any leverage is for Blackman to have a monster pro day. Without that, Kalil is the next best (sure thing) player on the board, so like many have said, “take him and shutup.”

    Even if Blackman gets hot and someone offers a trade, best Vikings could do is get Claiborne who ran a 4.5 or Reilly who has pass protection issues and maybe a a low first. Two mediocre players for one sure things….hmmm, take Kalil!

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