Comments on: Last call for non-stock stock

By: cjd134

cjd134 — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 03:49:10 +0000

one minute… just want to smell the sweet aroma of jealousy………….yep, worth every penny.

By: scrapingthefloorioforstorios

scrapingthefloorioforstorios — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:28:32 +0000

this is a well reasoned and intellectual article. not at all surprising, as it comes from a writer with the utmost integrity and character. kudos! some people may think it’s meant to bait packers fans, of which there are many. no, i tell you. it’s actually legit, and so is its author.

By: contraluvscck

contraluvscck — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 00:17:29 +0000

contra74 says: Feb 29, 2012 5:19 PM
See, I just dont see what I get in return. All jokes aside, what would I get? Lets assume I was a Packer fan and they asked me for my money. I would hope that I get reduced season ticket prices (if I was a season ticket holder) or the ability to leap frog a few hundred on the waiting list if I wasnt a season ticket holder. I would need a little give in order for their take. Thats all Im saying. So, to your question, would I give $250 to my team if they needed help building something? No, not if all I get out of it is a worthless piece of paper like that ‘stock’. My answer would be a resounding YES if I got perks similar to reduced ticket pricing, lowered parking fees, etc etc. Im not just going to give money away. Again, all jokes aside, thats the reason why.
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Go to a site that is discussing the queens prospects. Good luck finding one article that is bothering to mention the new bottom dwellers of the NFC North for the foreseeable future.

By: widogg

widogg — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 23:31:23 +0000

dumbass lawyer scum from west virginny., you don”t even have a pro football team to support.

By: johnnyb216

johnnyb216 — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:53:18 +0000

Stellarperformance,
He actually is nuts. I told him he needs to see a psychiatrist once and he acted real defensive like that’s not the first time somebody’s told him that. Not even a semi witty response like I’m used to seeing from him…

By: johnnyb216

johnnyb216 — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:47:12 +0000

duece5,
the stock sale actually evens the playing field for the packers. Being in a city of only 100,000 is an incredible disadvantage when the average NFL city contains 1-2 million people. If they needed a new stadium they would have to impose a 5% tax increase vs the typical .5%. Where’s the fairness in that? I don’t really think this stock sale does anything but enable the packers to remain competitive in an extremely small market. Without this, the packers would eventually die. The NFL knows this and that’s why they allow the stock sale. Also, the NFL knows that if they lost the packers they would lose out on 16 guaranteed sellouts per year, the largest apparel sales out of any other NFL team, as well as the largest fan base out of any other NFL team. If you want to preach about competitive balance, I think that’s actually the point of the stock sale. It keeps the packers, who have no rich owner or huge metropolis to support them competitive with the rest of the league which is better for everybody when you consider they are one of the NFL’s most reliable sources of revenue. Maybe I should piss and moan every time am NFL owner uses any of his money to build/improve a stadium since the packers don’t have that resource to utilize. The door swings both ways here.

By: stellarperformance

stellarperformance — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:32:19 +0000

golonger says:
Feb 29, 2012 11:45 AM
stellarperformance- of course you are still using this ignorant analogy….totally incorrect. An true analogy would be selling the license plates saying that they make your car run better….that is a better analogy.

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Wrong again. My analogy is dead on. You’re irritated because it stopped you in your tracks…and you probabaly have NFL-themed plates on your car.

Vanity plates help offset expenses for the State…just like the stock sale helps the Packers. And both allow the purchaser to voluntarily give their support of the team/state with a visible display that demonstrates a connection to the effort. Dead-on.

Help the car run better…are you nuts?

By: contra74

contra74 — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:19:03 +0000

contra74 says:
Feb 29, 2012 4:21 PM
footballrulz says:
Feb 29, 2012 3:30 PM
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That’s the exact answer I would expect from you Contra. Glad you’re a Vikes fan..
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Im glad Im a Vikes fan too.

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See, I just dont see what I get in return. All jokes aside, what would I get? Lets assume I was a Packer fan and they asked me for my money. I would hope that I get reduced season ticket prices (if I was a season ticket holder) or the ability to leap frog a few hundred on the waiting list if I wasnt a season ticket holder. I would need a little give in order for their take. Thats all Im saying. So, to your question, would I give $250 to my team if they needed help building something? No, not if all I get out of it is a worthless piece of paper like that ‘stock’. My answer would be a resounding YES if I got perks similar to reduced ticket pricing, lowered parking fees, etc etc. Im not just going to give money away. Again, all jokes aside, thats the reason why.

By: contra74

contra74 — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:21:03 +0000

footballrulz says:
Feb 29, 2012 3:30 PM
contra74 says:
Feb 29, 2012 2:17 PM
footballrulz says:
Feb 29, 2012 1:30 PM
Answer me this people, if your team needed money for expansion and decided to sell bricks for $250.00 each which would be inscribed with your name and used to create a walkway into the stadium, would you purchase one?
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No.
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That’s the exact answer I would expect from you Contra. Glad you’re a Vikes fan..
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Im glad Im a Vikes fan too.

By: footballrulz

footballrulz — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:30:34 +0000

contra74 says:
Feb 29, 2012 2:17 PM
footballrulz says:
Feb 29, 2012 1:30 PM
Answer me this people, if your team needed money for expansion and decided to sell bricks for $250.00 each which would be inscribed with your name and used to create a walkway into the stadium, would you purchase one?
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No.
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That’s the exact answer I would expect from you Contra. Glad you’re a Vikes fan..

By: killface4prez

killface4prez — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:17:37 +0000

duece5: “Actually, it’s larger than jealousy. It is absolutely an advantage for one team to do it, and not allow 31 teams to do it. Not fair for the rest of the league, and you don’t see it in other sports. ”

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duece5: “As the zombies murmur: “Me have stock, me have stock!” HILARIOUS!!!! Like pigs to the slaughter……”

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Okay, clown, which is it? You wish your team could do it, or packer fans are a bunch of rubes because they do it? You need to pick a line of attack and stick with it, otherwise you look like some dork who can’t spell “deuce”

By: killface4prez

killface4prez — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:11:48 +0000

Prophet: “this seems so Orwellian, picturing all of these emotionless zombie people with lumps of cheese on their heads lining up silently outside of Lambeau, handing in all of their money in exchange for a worthless piece of paper … what a joke …”

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I’m not sure you understand what “Orwellian” means…

By: ruvelligwebuike

ruvelligwebuike — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 19:55:57 +0000

duece5 says: Feb 29, 2012 9:41 AM

Like pigs to the slaughter, most packer fans really feel they “own” part of the team, even though the term “ownership” when it comes to REAL stock means entirely something else.

Many a packer fans will say other non-packer fans are just “jealous”.

Actually, it’s larger than jealousy. It is absolutely an advantage for one team to do it, and not allow 31 teams to do it. Not fair for the rest of the league, and you don’t see it in other sports.

When competitive balance is in the cross-hairs, it’s important for non-packer fans to cry foul at the NFL for something so unbelievably imbalanced.
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Wow…did you just call Packers fans “pigs to the slaughter,” and then type three paragraphs about how unfair it is and how you’re more than jealous? Are you sure you’re not an angry, bitter, data analyst in real life?

By: duece5

duece5 — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 19:36:56 +0000

The Prophet says:Feb 29, 2012 12:24 PM

this seems so Orwellian, picturing all of these emotionless zombie people with lumps of cheese on their heads lining up silently outside of Lambeau, handing in all of their money in exchange for a worthless piece of paper … what a joke …

duece5 says:

Well said Prophet!

As the zombies murmur: “Me have stock, me have stock!”

HILARIOUS!!!!

Like pigs to the slaughter……

By: contra74

contra74 — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 19:17:02 +0000

footballrulz says:
Feb 29, 2012 1:30 PM
Answer me this people, if your team needed money for expansion and decided to sell bricks for $250.00 each which would be inscribed with your name and used to create a walkway into the stadium, would you purchase one?
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No.

By: johnnyb216

johnnyb216 — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 19:14:41 +0000

Also golonger, as somebody pointed out earlier: PSL=EXTORTION

By: johnnyb216

johnnyb216 — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 19:11:19 +0000

It just wouldn’t be a negative packer stock post without an appearance from golonger now would it? We appreciate all the concern, guy.

By: buckybadger

buckybadger — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:58:35 +0000

duece5, I actually would have no problem with other teams doing this as well but you are wrong about what most people are complaining about here. Most are saying that they are a bunch of idiots for buying them when I am saying it is the best way for the Packers to fund their renovations without taxing the citizens who may or may not be Packer fans.

By: childressrulz

childressrulz — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:52:33 +0000

duece5 says: Feb 29, 2012 9:41 AM

Like pigs to the slaughter, most packer fans really feel they “own” part of the team, even though the term “ownership” when it comes to REAL stock means entirely something else.

Many a packer fans will say other non-packer fans are just “jealous”.

When competitive balance is in the cross-hairs, it’s important for non-packer fans to cry foul at the NFL for something so unbelievably imbalanced.

Today’s NFL is not the same as it was years ago, and like rules changes within the game of football that happen each year, this should be on the table. Not necessarily to take it away from gb, but to let other teams perform the same “stock” sale for competitve balance.
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I as a Packer fan agree with everything you say. However most of these yahoos seem to be blaming the Packers for this situation. You have no one to blame but your own teams greedy owners who do not wish to share any part of “their” team even in the proverbial hypothetical sense. I would be embarrassed to be a fan of any other team.

By: johnnyb216

johnnyb216 — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:44:52 +0000

Another quality blog laced with personal jealousy and bitterness from you know who.

By: footballrulz

footballrulz — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:30:47 +0000

Answer me this people, if your team needed money for expansion and decided to sell bricks for $250.00 each which would be inscribed with your name and used to create a walkway into the stadium, would you purchase one?

By: minnysoda

minnysoda — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:28:04 +0000

Too bad haters maybe if your team has been around longer than the NFL you can whine and cry. At least the Packers have been the Packers their entire existence and based in Green Bay not like some of the other OLD franchises. Can you say Decatur Staley’s Bears fans?
Can you say Steagle’s Steelers/ Eagles Fans
Can you say Porstmouth Spartans Lions fans?
How many fans out there have wasted money going to games of teams that have never won a Super Bowl. LOL go ahead and hate, losers

By: duece5

duece5 — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:26:15 +0000

buckybadger says:Feb 29, 2012 11:16 AM

nyyjetsknicks says:
Feb 29, 2012 7:48 AM
I will also be selling useless paper. How much would you pay for my worthless paper? $500? $400? $300? How about $199? That’s right you can have my useless paper for $199! If you call within the next 10 minutes, we’ll give you two pieces of paper for $199!* You would crazy to not get that deal!

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What did that new stadium cost you taxpayers? You can poke fun all you want but tell me a better way for the fans to support their team and pass the burden on to the tax payers.

duece5 says:

Bucky….that is our exact point!! We would love the chance to sell worthless TP as the packers, but the NFL forbids it!!

Green Bay wasn’t supporting their team in the 1920s, and the NFL stepped in to keep them from going bankrupt……hmmmmm.

No owner is going to fork over close to 1 billion to put up a stadium that is not just used for the NFL…..most of these are multi-purpose stadiums-see Arizona, Indy, Detroit, Texans, and MN in the future. Not all are taxed either, some other means will be through gambling, racinos, etc.

LEVEL TH PLAYING FIELD–TIMES HAVE CHANGED!!!!!

By: buckybadger

buckybadger — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:17:09 +0000

Maybe it was just how I was raised but to me this is the correct way for a team to solicit support from their fans.

Where I grew up people buy worthless pieces of paper to have hung at a local restaurant or tavern to support several causes. Whether it be for someone who has cancer and their family is being sapped dry on medical costs, to have the local H.S. football field redone, have the track repaved or just about anything the local people want done but don’t want to burden other tax payers. Hell they even put a skate park in my home town funded completely by people buying worthless pieces of paper.

Packer fans have a sense of community that goes over all of your heads. They know the stock is worthless but it doesn’t change the fact they helped more than any of you support their team.

By: buckybadger

buckybadger — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:12:05 +0000

golonger, so you want to put even a bigger burden on ticket holders? So you basically saying that only the rich should be able to go to games. That is what will happen if you keep raising PSL.

Of course the season ticket holder is doing more to support his team. This is the exact reason Goddell is listening to season ticket holders about the 18 game season and not every fan of the sport. The season ticket holders I know in Green Bay, Denver, and Detroit all want the 18 game schedule because they are the ones paying for the games.

PSLs can only do so much. Tell me one team that is funding their stadium and teams with season ticket holders and PSLs. The ones that don’t put the burden on the tax payers have good owners like Kraft who flips the bill himself. Outside of the owner flipping the bill this stock option is the best way for fans and fans alone to help support their team.

By: chris6523

chris6523 — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:49:00 +0000

In regard to the comment that GM is rolling again, they really aren’t. The only reason GM is profitable is because they declared bankruptcy and therefore no longer have any debt (thus making the bailout pointless. Take that back, that allowed the union and gubmint to take ownership of the company). Because they aren’t paying the 30 billion dollars in interest they were paying, their bottom line says profit. They are still losing market share. Also, since they went through bankruptcy, they were allowed by the bankruptcy judge to cut the pay and benefits of their union workers. So, in reality stockholders (many of them being you and me through our 401 (k) plans) were left with worthless stock.

If you’re looking for a success story in regard to an American car company, I would recommend taking a look at what Ford was able to do without help from the gubmint.

By: The Prophet

The Prophet — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:24:07 +0000

By: uwsptke

uwsptke — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:03:27 +0000

thejuddstir says:
Feb 29, 2012 11:33 AM

Another exclusive Packer rule that is unfair to he rest of the league (and I’m not talking about the right given to A.Rodgers to wear a skirt on the field) is the right to have a player jump into the stands after a TD. Every other team is penalized 15yds on the ensuing kickoff.

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This is completely inaccurate. The “Lambeau Leap” style celebration is grandfathered in and IS ALLOWED by any team in the league. No player has EVER been penalized for doing this, so please name one example where a player was penalized for jumping into the stands if you feel like wasting an enormous amount of time searching for something that never happened.

By: golonger

golonger — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:56:35 +0000

buckybadger- a better way to support the team?…how about PSLs. You can buy them, sell them, they DO or CAN go up in value, and by owning these, the season ticket holder is really more of an owner than someone owning a piece of worthless paper. If someone wants to say they are more of an owner of a team by buying a piece of toilet paper than one would be owning a PSL, they are nuts..sorry!

By: theghostoflombardi

theghostoflombardi — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:55:03 +0000

Obviously I’m a Packer fan so I’m more than a little biased, but all of the “last chance morans!!!” comments make me chuckle a little.

I received a share of stock from my wife for Christmas this year, and it was an awesome gift.

No one in Wisconsin actually believes that this stock is worth anything. It’s basically a donation to the Packers’ organization. In return, you are allowed to say that you are a part owner of the Packers, which, despite the fact that you cannot resell your stock, is officially true. Owners of stock can attend stock holders meetings and do have certain privileges that others do not.

I guess you have to be a Green Bay fan to understand why spending $250 on the chance to say “I’m an owner of the Packers” is worth it, but that doesn’t mean we’re being jipped or that we’re idiots.

A lot of people spend money on useless things, and I think a lot of other teams would make money off of this if they could do the same.