One more thing, atleast when we are sitting during the playoffs, we get to look over at our Lombardis and say “ah, the good ol’days.” What do you do?

The truth is you dont know what you have, yet. The Raiders do.
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Bingo, the known vs the unknown.

Now throw in the cheapest owner in all of professional sports and the known looks even better.

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Hey hey hey, the Toledo Rockets aint too bad…but thats about it!

The truth is you dont know what you have, yet. The Raiders do.

“Fact 1: Raiders have ALWAYS had zero problem dealing with cap stuff; Fact 2: A completely new regime, no way to know their approach.”

Oakland may be “kicking the can down the street”, but they’ve been doing it season after season. The street must be the longest one in the world.

Thank you, Oakland for taking Palmer. Thank you Palmer, for threatening to comeback to Cinci. Now, Cinci has a couple first round picks, and because Palmer could have returned, are about 40mil under the cap.

They are 40M under the cap because their owner is cheap.

“All that money an not even competitive?

I guess that’s what happens when you draft based solely on 40 times at the combine.

It ain’t that simple fellas.”

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Not competitive? They were 8-8. Last time I checked that is a “middle of the pack” record. They were also extremely close to making the playoffs. Is a team on the cusp of the playoffs considered “not competitive”???

“It isn’t pretty on paper, sure, but the Raiders never have had an issue finding creative ways to free up cap room. Some of those same people remain in the organization. It’s just that, they are going to have to work harder and longer this season than they did, say, two years ago.
In other words, expect to hear a ton of gloom and doom in the coming days, only to learn that the Raiders reached cap compliance by March 13 without the sky falling.”
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And that’s a major part of the problem. They keep kicking the can down the street. They restructure and push the cap into next season and next season and…. If those people are still left in the building they should be fired. They can’t keep selling the future for a sub-par team today.

I swear. Once my kids grow up, I’m making them major in whatever gets them a degree in NFL salary cap management. Very few people on Earth understand it, can explain it and can manage their caps properly.

Just now, a well respected dedicated NFL journalist who lives and breathes NFL just tried to convince me that converting $12.5M to $10M equals a salary cap savings of $6.67M. I admit that I’m no rocket scientist but I could have sworn that my 5th grade math teacher once taught me that 12.5 – 10 = $2.5. Where in h-e-double hockey sticks does 6.67 come from? Buehler? Buehler? Frye?
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I’ll be quick and as simple on this one as I can. He’s talking about converting $10 m of the $12.5 m salary into a bonus. Salary is counted dollar for dollar against the salary cap. With bonus money it’s different. A percentage of bonus money is counted against the cap rather than the full amount. Furthermore, the bonus money that is counted against the cap is split up and counted equally over the lifetime of the contract. So, say he gets a bonus that counts $6 against the cap in a contract that runs for 3 years. Instead of taking a $6 million cap hit in the year the bonus was paid, the team takes a $2 million cap hit every year over those 3 years. There’s a little more that goes into it of course, but that’s the basic gist of things.

I guess that’s what happens when you draft based solely on 40 times at the combine.

It ain’t that simple fellas.

I seriously wish I understood how these contracts work. In Madden, I’m always stuck with some penalty when I just cut someone. Of course when you learn a system based off of a video game, you are likely going to be ignorant.”
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Actually, if you pay close attention to Madden, you can learn a lot about how contracts work. Madden breaks things down by total salary and guaranteed money over every year of the contract. They simplify things by lumping all guaranteed money together as opposed to breaking it down into the various kinds of bonuses. Additionally, if you select a player and take a look at their contract info, you can find out exactly what kind of cap penalty you’ll suffer for cutting a player. Simplified like this, it’s actually a pretty basic concept. In most contracts you have the total salary, and a certain percentage of this salary will be guaranteed (if the player isn’t as sought after, you might be able to get away without having to guarantee any of it. If that’s the case, you can cut them at any time without taking a hit). When you cut a player, the remaining guaranteed money is immediately counted against the cap. Now, if you’re far enough into the season, that cap hit will count against next year’s cap rather than this year. That’s your cap penalty. A move that would result in a cap hit the following year would be too late, however, to help you get under the cap this year. Here’s an example:

Year 1: 5 m salary, 2 m guaranteed
Year 2: 6 m salary, 2 m guaranteed
Year 3: 7 m salary, 2 m guaranteed

Cutting this player will save the team 12 m in real money over three years (18 m salary minus the 6 m in guaranteed money the team will still have to pay the player). Furthermore, the team can save 4 m in cap space in year 2 and 5 m in cap space in year 3 (total salary minus guaranteed salary). The problem is that in year 1 the cap hit will be 6 m, meaning that in the immediate future cutting the player will actually worsen their cap situation by 1 m (cap hit minus that year’s salary). While the team can save a lot of money throughout the life of the contract, if they don’t have the proper cap space, they might not be able to make the move.

How is it the results(them being way over the cap) doesn’t mesh with them having a high-end team? Assuming high-end means expensive.

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and we also have Hue Jackson back on our staff as OC insurance incase Gruden gets poached next year…hahahahaha, how sweet it is

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That is the funniest comment I have read on the Palmer trade since it went down.

For all the raider fans on here, why doesn’t your team develop it’s own players rather than go out and trade picks for supposed stars on the downside of their careers who they then pay a fortune for?”
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Maybe you should try doing some research first before posting. I guess you are unaware of players like Tyvonne Branch who had a Pro Bowl quality year? Or how about Denarius Moore…Jacoby Ford…Jared VelDeer (one of the top 5 bargain left tackles in the NFL). Or maybe you forgot Nnamdi had his best years with the Raiders. All were developed talents in house. Maybe you should check on a kid named Wisniewski who had a very solid year at guard/center.
Oh, and remember the name Taiwan Jones. He’ll be running through your team next year, along with a fellow named McFadden. And while we’re at it it seems to me a fellow named Michael Bush that was developed in house tore up a few teams along the way.