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Report: Saints want to pay Brees like a “very good,” not “great,” QB

Drew Brees, Pete Carmichael, AP

If you think Drew Brees is a great quarterback, Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis apparently disagrees with you.

According to a report from Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports, Loomis thinks Brees is very good, but not great. And therefore Loomis thinks Brees’s new contract should be commensurate with what a very good quarterback, but not a great quarterback, gets paid.

Citing three league sources, Cole writes that Loomis made the distinction between Brees being “very good” and “great” in a recent discussion about the status of the soon-to-be free agent quarterback’s contract. When Loomis was asked why it was taking so long for the Saints and Brees to reach an agreement on a long-term contract extension, Loomis described Brees as “very good” when others called called him “great.”

According to the report, Brees and the Saints are about $5 million a year apart on a new contract. Which is apparently the difference between what a great quarterback makes and what a very good quarterback makes.

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  1. lenke08 says: Mar 1, 2012 7:49 PM

    Are you kidding me!

  2. fanisy says: Mar 1, 2012 7:51 PM

    *Gets popcorn ready*
    This might be a little more interesting than I though, even though he’ll probably be paid and happy in the end.

  3. cakemixa says: Mar 1, 2012 7:52 PM

    5 million a year apart? Here’s an idea: meet half way. I should be a negotiator!

  4. scrapingthefloorioforstorios says: Mar 1, 2012 7:53 PM

    the difference between “very hot” and “supermodel” is all about the maintenance.

  5. caseyanthonymunoz says: Mar 1, 2012 7:53 PM

    Well isn’t that what he would be if he had to play outside like real quarterbacks?

  6. blackqbwhiterb says: Mar 1, 2012 7:53 PM

    Dan Snyder, THIS is the one to overpay!!

  7. phillysports25 says: Mar 1, 2012 7:54 PM

    Brees, Rodgers, Brady, and Manning are in a class of their own. They are all great.

  8. ajschn06 says: Mar 1, 2012 7:55 PM

    Woooooooowwww….

  9. scomibord says: Mar 1, 2012 7:55 PM

    Never believe a report from Yahoo”Sports”

  10. footballjunkie says: Mar 1, 2012 7:55 PM

    smh

  11. renaissanceman87 says: Mar 1, 2012 7:55 PM

    That’s right New Orleans, pay Drew Brees like he’s Tony Romo, Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan!

  12. uschawk says: Mar 1, 2012 7:55 PM

    Good luck with that. Be more then happy to have him in Seattle.

  13. olskool711 says: Mar 1, 2012 7:55 PM

    Wonder what Sean Payton thinks?

  14. dalyman3 says: Mar 1, 2012 7:56 PM

    As an NFL fan I am disgusted. He just set the season record for yards and is one of the most accurate QB. This GM is a clown

  15. rip4gehrig says: Mar 1, 2012 7:56 PM

    Loomis must be drunk, where would the Saints be without Brees?

  16. haileli says: Mar 1, 2012 7:56 PM

    I find this very, very hard to believe The price difference? Sure. But very good? Loomis is a sharp GM. There’s no way he actually believes that.

  17. rpiotr01 says: Mar 1, 2012 7:56 PM

    Someone needs to introduce Mr. Loomis to YouTube and the search terms “Aaron Brooks.”

  18. diegiantsdie says: Mar 1, 2012 7:57 PM

    brees is the reason the saints are so good. the reason they have a trophy. get over it and pay him alot….or he’ll end up in seattle or san fran.

  19. markcrodriguez says: Mar 1, 2012 7:57 PM

    Crazy!!!

  20. showerswithsandusky says: Mar 1, 2012 7:57 PM

    Pay the man!!

  21. dirtmcgirt24 says: Mar 1, 2012 7:57 PM

    Guy has weapons all around him who pile up YAC like it’s the buffet, plays on average 10 games a year indoors and a coach who has no problem leaving him in to run up the score where most quarterbacks are sitting down. That’s not a complaint, but let’s not pretend that this guy has some ridiculous abilities or other quarterbacks couldn’t also thrive in his place.

    Yup, very good.

  22. indyspeedo says: Mar 1, 2012 7:57 PM

    What more does the man have to do to be worthy? Saint were the Aint’s for decades before he got there. Dismal at best. He is a part of the puzzle that brought a winning attitude to New Orleans. A contender year in and year out. Just absolutely unbelievable!!!

  23. surly1n1nd1anapol1s says: Mar 1, 2012 7:58 PM

    If he’s great why was it not apparent in San Diego?

  24. kylecleric says: Mar 1, 2012 7:58 PM

    Loomis is nuts.

  25. babyhorsemorgan says: Mar 1, 2012 7:58 PM

    “We actually would like to pay him as a ‘somewhat above average’ quarterback, but we didn’t want to push things and hurt the little fella’s feelings.”.

  26. buckybadger says: Mar 1, 2012 7:59 PM

    He is approaching this all wrong even if he does think this. You don’t want to sign players to contracts like Brady and Manning. Makes your team thin in a lot of areas. Hard to win a championship when you are one injury away [usually in several areas not just QB when you sign big contracts] from being a non-contender.

    My Packers will be facing the same thing very soon. Rodgers will want, and probably rightfully so, to tear up his existing contract. Comes to a point where a QB has to decide does he want to win championships or be filthy rich. Most choose the later and I can’t say what I would do.

  27. hutch119 says: Mar 1, 2012 7:59 PM

    Wow, disrespect much

  28. ricksaints says: Mar 1, 2012 7:59 PM

    caseyanthonymunoz says:
    Mar 1, 2012 7:53 PM
    Well isn’t that what he would be if he had to play outside like real quarterbacks?

     
    What city did he win the SB in?

  29. 561bengal says: Mar 1, 2012 7:59 PM

    If Brees is not a great QB then I have no idea what a great QB is.

  30. mc9399 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:00 PM

    the guy brought a sb trophy to new orleans, and resurrected the city aswell. i hope this isnt true.

  31. sterling7 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:00 PM

    Very few people love football more than I do, maybe as much as but not more. That being said (shades of Jamie Dukes) don’t expect me to lose any sleep over how much more a guy makes when he’s due to make a minimum of 14-15 million dollars a year. His head will hit a soft pillow every night, he will eat well and live infinitely more comfortably than any of us have ever or will ever dream of. More power to you Drew, I love your skills-but I won’t lose any sleep over you…………………..Goodnight….

  32. ughazi says: Mar 1, 2012 8:02 PM

    If Drew Brees settles for “good” but not “great” contract for the sake of keeping essential players on his team, then he’ll prove he truly is “great” no matter what type of contract he’s on.

  33. pa1913 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:03 PM

    If he gets tagged why wouldn’t the browns sign him and give up their 2 number 1′s? Seems like a no brainer to me

  34. funktron2x says: Mar 1, 2012 8:03 PM

    Im not even a saints fan and i think loomis is farking nuts. Brees has been a top 5 qb in the league since before he arrived in no.

  35. citynative says: Mar 1, 2012 8:04 PM

    This is why the Saints have historically been a “poor” franchise, and not a “good” one.

  36. 4evrnyt says: Mar 1, 2012 8:05 PM

    Anyone who is taking Loomis at face value is naive. This is clearly public posturing and an attempt to get into the head of Brees and his agent. The deal will get done and everyone will be happy so stop peeing in your pampers Saints fans.

  37. bmfandre says: Mar 1, 2012 8:06 PM

    This sounds like some jackhole media reporter taking an interview out of context to stir things up. Loomis is not an idiot and Brees will get his money over the weekend.

  38. Matt says: Mar 1, 2012 8:06 PM

    So your super bowl winning, passing-yard record-setting QB is “very good but not great” ? What is great? It sure feels great as a Raiders fan that another team can be capable of sheer idiocy. Pay the man. He’s a legend.

  39. chazzmichaelmichaels says: Mar 1, 2012 8:06 PM

    Go ahead, low-ball the offer and then try to replace him. Maybe then u’ll be able to differentiate between very good, great and mediocre.

  40. saints25 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:07 PM

    Tom Condon said this!!!!!!!! not Loomis..This a big LIE!!!!!! It came from an crooked a@@ Agent trying to make more money off another NFL Player.

  41. dirtmcgirt24 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:08 PM

    AND he rebuilt New Orleans all by himself (just ask all the folks whose lives have been repaired thanks to him). Second coming, if you ask me

  42. ricksaints says: Mar 1, 2012 8:09 PM

    When is benson going to step in?

  43. zlmillerkazz says: Mar 1, 2012 8:09 PM

    Drew Brees – More than a talent. Brees has brought a Super Bowl to New Orleans, he is one of the classiest men in pro football. A team player, one of the greats to play the QB position. A wonderful person, the community is in love with this guy.

    PAY THE MAN!! You’d be the “Aints” without Brees. Don’t take what he has done for the CITY OF NEW ORLEANS, for granted. Please.

  44. consolecomplaints says: Mar 1, 2012 8:10 PM

    A few thoughts…

    Drew’s agent, Tom Condon, probably wants $23 million a year, similar to what Manning is due this year. The Saints probably want a deal in the neighborhood of $18-19 million a year, like Brady.

    As a huge Saints fan, I would rather see Drew walk than pay him $23 million a year. If we paid him that much, we would be one injury away from a Colts-like disaster.

    It’s possible to win the Superbowl without a $23 million a year qb. Sure, you want a good QB, but if the rest of the team is good, a mediocore qb is fine. Ask the 49′ers. – After all, they got farther than us in the playoffs.

    Drew is an elite QB and is the heart of the team, and I’m a huge fan, but nobody is worth $23 million a year. If he loses his guards, his record breaking performances go down the drain. It’s obvious that he makes mistakes under pressure, and you can’t keep Nicks and Evans (guards) with Drew making money like that.

    And last, Sean Payton’s system makes any QB look better than they really are. I mean, compare Drew’s numbers in San Diego and then look at his New Orleans numbers. Drew is great, but let’s not underrate the fact that the system in N.O. is custom designed for him.

    Sign for $18-$19 million a year at most. Otherwise, as much as I HATE to say it, let him go screw somebody else out of $23-$24 million a year and play on a losing team. Franchise tag him and get 2 first round picks and maybe a bit more…in N.O. system, even decent QB’s should do well.

    Good QB’s alone don’t win championships. Look at Manning in Indy as a prime example.

  45. dawgpoundmember says: Mar 1, 2012 8:10 PM

    rpiotr, I tried it, no results were found…irony

    dirtmc, I would agree with you if the colts didn’t struggle to win 2 games last year with the same players, minus their quarterback

  46. bucks12965 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:10 PM

    Signs that your GM is a jackass:

    He wants to fire your head coach who just went 14 & 2.

    He trades a #1 & a 2 for a quitter of a QB.

    He thinks Drew Brees is not great & doesn’t deserve top dollar.

    The GM should be fired b4 he effs up the team. It’s ridiculous that Brees doesn’t already have a contract.

  47. philwauke says: Mar 1, 2012 8:11 PM

    non story…Brees will get resigned.

  48. vegassaint says: Mar 1, 2012 8:11 PM

    Mickey Lommis is one of the smartest GMs in the NFL. I find it hard to believe that he does not know how GREAT Drew Brees is. Stop playing with my emotions Yahoo and PFT. This has to be a joke. If Drew Brees is not great then who is??? I know I speak for all hard core Saints fans when I say that this whole ordeal with Brees is starting to worry us. This deal should have been done a long time ago. Pay the man!! He has earned it!!

  49. slippyal2 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:14 PM

    Brees leaves and they become the Aints once again.

  50. wizahdry says: Mar 1, 2012 8:15 PM

    So he’s very good and they are 5 mil a year apart but are willing to franchise him at almost 15 mil guaranteed?

  51. lilrob10201 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:16 PM

    Well he deserves to get paid more then Vick.

  52. tommytd says: Mar 1, 2012 8:18 PM

    Sounds like a stunt right out of the Chicago Bear’s playbook. PAY THE MAN!

  53. randygnyc says: Mar 1, 2012 8:18 PM

    Um, this isn’t really about money. Brees is going to make “enough”. Where, could be another story. Ego, whether right or wrong, drives most pro athletes. Why this GM would go out of his way to bruise his SB champs’ is beyond me. And to say it publicly, well, that can NEVER be fixed. Even if they say it is. Think this won’t matter? Just look at Albert Pujols. The cardinals disrespected him last year. He held it in but jumped ship THE FIRST CHANCE HE GOT. This won’t end well.

  54. brenenostler says: Mar 1, 2012 8:19 PM

    This is why other countries hate us. We b****about not getting an extra $5 million when people in Africa are lucky to make $2 a day.

  55. dolphan22 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:19 PM

    guess they are reverting back to those same ol saints.the fans should be used to it after they won the superbowl because the everyone felt sorry for the whole katrina thing.back to reality and they still haven’t won a playoff game on the road,but the one piece that got them there and they are sitting on they’re hands like some losers…he is a top 3-5 qb.its borderline stupidity to me actually that they haven’t signed the guy yet..

  56. cuffhimbanano says: Mar 1, 2012 8:21 PM

    Pay no attention to their ongoing debate Joe Flacco; they said nothing about a decent quarterback.

  57. blacknole08 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:24 PM

    The Saints need to pay Brees like a Super Bowl winning QB

  58. gvicknair says: Mar 1, 2012 8:24 PM

    Are you kidding me? Drew is the best quarterback out there!!!!!!! What on God’s green earth are these people thinking???????????? I know one thing, if they don’t sign him and he walks, there will be some seriously ticked off people in New Orleans. I would imagine ticket sales would plummet!!!!!!!! And I wouldn’t blame them one bit!!!

  59. dirtmcgirt24 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:24 PM

    Great quarterbacks don’t dig themselves into gigantic holes in the playoffs and eventually lose shootouts to Alex Smith. Sorry.

    Those two late TDs were things of beauty, though. You know, the extremely challenging dump off to Sproles and the unrivaled 15 yard seed to Graham. No way another quarterback makes those plays, for sure.

  60. astrosfan75956 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:27 PM

    Brees is great!

  61. peytonsneck18 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:28 PM

    OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!……..but why pay a QB Peyton Manning type money when u can’t afford to keep good players around him..I think the Colts and Patriots are teaching the league a valuable lesson, no more 90-100! Million dollar QB’S

  62. nineroutsider says: Mar 1, 2012 8:30 PM

    Nice…walk away Brees. They shouldn’t be disrespecting you like that…you are the Saints!

    Come to San Francisco where we will pay and treat you like a king. It will start raining titles around here!

  63. buckybadger says: Mar 1, 2012 8:31 PM

    consolecomplaints, you seem to be one of the few that really understand the nuances of building a 53 man roster under a salary cap.

    There is a reason these guys get the SB when the contract wasn’t one of the tops but don’t once they sign that big money deal. Every million is 1 or 2 players that could compete for a position and give you depth.

  64. pnut87 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:31 PM

    What?! At the very minimum, this guy is considered top 3 in the league. You don’t keep him, you’ll regret it for a VERY long time. But hey, maybe Miami gets a second shot at him.

  65. philtration says: Mar 1, 2012 8:32 PM

    I said that the Texans would be dangerous with Peyton Manning.
    How good would they be with Drew Brees?

    This G.M. makes me feel better about the Bears having Jerry Angelo for so long.

  66. redstar504 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:32 PM

    As a saints fan I am shocked!

    Drew Brees has done so much on the field. He is in my opinion the best QB in the game right now. His accuracy is off the charts. His ability to read and react to defenses is off the charts. He throws short west cost passes with surgeon like precision. He kills it on the deep ball. Performance wise you can’t ask for anything more. His leadership of the team is amazing watching him play these past 6 years has been a true joy. He has made the New Orleans Saints into winners. He has inspired the team and the city what else can you ask?

    All of the above is just in relation to his on field performance. Drew Brees off the field is even better. He is a model citizen of New Orleans and is an excellent ambassador for the city. He is involved in an endless amount of charities specifically his Brees Dream Foundation that does amazing things for sick/terminally ill children. Drew is everything you can ask for in a person and a true roll model for young children. Again what more can you ask?

    If the Saints are low-balling the man that is about the dumbest thing I have ever seen in sports. If they think Drew Brees is a very good QB and not a great QB they need their heads examined. Drew Brees has taken this franchise to places it couldn’t have of dreamed of going before he arrived and picked up a super bowl MVP along the way.

    Again what else does Drew Brees have to do?

    PAY THE MAN LOOMIS!!!!!!

  67. upyoursnfu says: Mar 1, 2012 8:34 PM

    Pay the man. He brought new life to the city

  68. buckybadger says: Mar 1, 2012 8:35 PM

    As one said above its posturing. Sure Brees got them the SB but that doesn’t mean you give him everything he wants and leave your team cap strapped. Brees is worth a big contract but no one is worth sacrificing winning.

    Keep that payment manageable. Nicks is a big part of them winning too. The guy is an animal and a big reason they run the ball so well.

  69. mikebe1 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:35 PM

    Any team in the nfl will gladly take his very good qb off his hands.

  70. saints25 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:35 PM

    @dolphan22 ..thanks to your dolphins we have Drew and a SB win…. LMFAO ..you were saying?

  71. dirtmcgirt24 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:36 PM

    dawgpoundmember says:

    dirtmc, I would agree with you if the colts didn’t struggle to win 2 games last year with the same players, minus their quarterback

    ——

    Huge difference between Wayne, Addai, Garcon and Colston, Meachem, Henderson, Sproles, Thomas, Graham and whoever else I’m missing that forces teams to defend 70 x 53 on every single play.

    Truth is, Manning made the Colts. Brees is a very good quarterback on a very good, stacked offense that features about 16 quality starters.

    And, yeah, most teams would struggle with Curtis Painter and Dan “I once went 0-16″ Orlovsky, what’s your point?

  72. coolgato13 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:37 PM

    Brees is as valuable and as important to the Saints and New Orleans as a healthy Peyton Manning is to Indy and the Colts.

  73. tdrundmc says: Mar 1, 2012 8:38 PM

    Brees pads his stats when their up 28 points and he’s captain checkdown, i’m glad someone finally realized this.

  74. ravensfan4life52 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:38 PM

    I’m really starting to get the feeling that the Saints are the mystery team trying to trade up to get RGIII

  75. goawayeverybody says: Mar 1, 2012 8:38 PM

    As a die hard Saints fan, all I can say is I’m depressed. For Mickey Loomis to air publicly that he thinks Brees is good but not great is unconscionable. Not to mention completely WRONG! This is absurd.

  76. bucsfan5000 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:40 PM

    The Super Bowl is in New Orleans next year and we all know how well the Cowboys and Colts did when they hosted it.

  77. mrslay1 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:42 PM

    I can not believe this story. There is a good chance it is BS, but if not, Brees should tell the Saints where to get off. Lets see… 49ers plus Brees=Superbowl…Ravans plus Brees= Super Bowl…Cowboys plus Brees=Super Bowl…The list goes on. If the Saints don’t pay him as one of the best they reach a new high in pro football front office stupidity

  78. justinwj says: Mar 1, 2012 8:43 PM

    I don’t understand this at all, Brees essentially saved the franchise. I know it won’t happen, but I would love if Brees walks, just to shove it in the face of owner.

  79. snoilog says: Mar 1, 2012 8:44 PM

    TAG

    You’re it

  80. patthepatriot666 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:45 PM

    I guess this means that eli wasn’t elite after all

  81. kghannigan says: Mar 1, 2012 8:53 PM

    Hey Drew, I hear San Francisco is great this time of year! AND we have cap space!!!

  82. hallcyon says: Mar 1, 2012 8:53 PM

    Yahoo Sports has as much credibility as Fox News.

    I am a New Orleanian and proud Saints fan. However, the team, yes – the TEAM needs to be resigned so that they can compete, Brees can’t win all by himself. Re-signing receivers 6-4 Colston and 6-3 Meachum, with the best guard in the league and key to their having a running game in Nicks, then resign Super Bowl cornerback Porter. The Saints will not re-sign defensive tackles Franklin and Rogers, but still need to acquire a pass rushing defensive end in Spanguoals new rush scheme that differs from Williams blitz happy strategy. Either way via free agency the team must acquire (Williams) or even by trade (Allen) and need cap room for a pass rusher, as the defensive line failing to create a pass rush ended any chance of the Saints securing home field for a playoff run. So if Brees says it’s give me the money or I am gone – I say let him go and take a chance on Manning and draft a between any of the following – Brock Osweiler, Brandon Weeden, and Nick Foles, along with super sub McDaniel already on the roster. Sean Payton is more important to the scheme than Brees. If Brees thinks it’s all about him, he can walk, good riddance. Teams win championships, not players who need a few extra million to boost their egos, with money they will NEVER SPEND.

  83. bucnbutfan says: Mar 1, 2012 8:54 PM

    Yes, …’buckybadger’ and ‘consolecomplaints’ are so correct. When any player signs a contract, the team wants and expects that player to do well. So why when they do what they are supposed to do, could be the system or the players around them, a successful player is deemed ‘special’.

    I like Drew Brees, but a team cannot allocate too much salary to any one position. A team with a ‘Great QB’, but without the ability to surround that guy with weapons and a defense gets sad ending to the season.

    It is the fault of scummy agents, just as despicable as criminal defense lawyers. Thinking that maybe Brees is not really as greedy as the agent, hopefully. Need to see that, though!

  84. carlsbadboltfan says: Mar 1, 2012 8:55 PM

    Franchise tag.

  85. mcjon22 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:56 PM

    The only people that would agree with this are Nick Saban and Daunte Culpepper. Well, and my liver, which is a direct correlation to the above individuals. Thanks Guys!

  86. qdog112 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:56 PM

    I’m struck by the absence of the word “greed” in these posts. Brees is worth elite money and it’s not even close. Still, many of you like to throw that word around when players try to get paid. Why not now?

  87. txxxchief says: Mar 1, 2012 8:57 PM

    Well, I’d be happy to see Drew in a Chiefs jersey if the deal for Manning falls through.

  88. tubal22 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:58 PM

    Jason Cole: Hey Mickey, Drew is a great quaterback huh.

    Loomis: Yes, he’s very good.

    *goes to write article about how Loomis doesn’t want to pay Brees because he didn’t say he was a great.

    Gotta love internet journalists.

  89. pibhighfootballrules says: Mar 1, 2012 8:59 PM

    @brenenostler..

    people hate us because america is the best..move to africa and fix it if your so concerned..now pipe down and hope brees gets the pay hes due.

  90. arnoldziffel says: Mar 1, 2012 8:59 PM

    Just a “good” NFL quarterback, eh Mickey?

    Well, okay then – don’t bother with the franchise tag … just let ol’ Drew become a free agent. Maybe some other franchise will offer him a contract … and you can go about your business of hiring another “good” quarterback.

    Talk about success going to your head!

    The Saints were a doormat franchise for YEARS before the Saints basically got Drew for less than a song as a Chargers castoff after they drafted/traded for Philip Rivers.

    Go ahead brain boy … let Brees walk – let him become a free agent … and we’ll see where the Saints are, a year from now.

  91. great8brewer says: Mar 1, 2012 9:03 PM

    WOW! I am no fan of the Saints or Brees…diehard Packer fan. But when it comes to QB’s in the NFL, after Aaron Rodgers I would take Brees in a New York minute. Over Brady or anyone of the other few current great QB’s.

    Bree’s is a great QB, period. And for being arguably undersized for the position, it is pretty dang apparent how great he is at the position. Loomis is a fool and will end regretting his stance but Brees will handle it like the professional and dignified man he is.

  92. linder10 says: Mar 1, 2012 9:05 PM

    if he’s very good, i wanna see a GREAT QB.

  93. fjtardy says: Mar 1, 2012 9:08 PM

    Saints owner Tom Benson should consider restructuting Mickey Loomis’ contract commensurate with a “very bad general manager”

  94. bluntsmokinskinsfan says: Mar 1, 2012 9:12 PM

    It’s impossible to respect a grown man who goes by Mickey. Come to Washington, Drew. Dan will pay you what your worth

  95. stanklepoot says: Mar 1, 2012 9:16 PM

    surly1n1nd1anapol1s says: Mar 1, 2012 7:58 PM

    If he’s great why was it not apparent in San Diego?
    _____________________________
    Actually, he was pretty darned good in San Diego too, just not as a rookie. The Chargers were unsure of Brees because he didn’t have the same measurables that many believe a great QB needs (in other words, they thought he was too short). Because of that, they spent a lot to get Rivers. Problem is, as soon as they spent what they did to get Rivers, Brees started showing the benefit of his experience and lit things up. The Chargers were left with a tough decision. Smith wanted to switch to the guy he hand picked, but Brees was playing too well. Luckily for A.J., Brees got injured. That allowed Smith to start Rivers and dump Brees.

  96. skylark70455 says: Mar 1, 2012 9:17 PM

    “brenenostler says: This is why other countries hate us. We b****about not getting an extra $5 million when people in Africa are lucky to make $2 a day.”

    Hmmm… well we could go run naked through the woods and chuck spears at mammals to show our solidarity…

    Or we could do what 95.6% of other Americans do – not give a rats behind who hates us, or their poor excuse for a reason – jealousy, envy, or what have you.

  97. gridassassin says: Mar 1, 2012 9:19 PM

    Boy, I hear Molly Hatchet’s FLIRTING WITH DISASTER in my head.

    Are these guys f’n nuts? He’s the straw that stirs their drink.

    After getting jetisoned from SD – Brees has to wonder WTF he has to do to get paid what he rightfully deserves.

    The GM should be fired for allowing the contracts of Brees, Colston and Nicks all to be up at the same time. That’s piss poor planning, seeing as they can only play ‘tag’ with one of ‘em – and Brees is gonna cost the most.

  98. giantrealist says: Mar 1, 2012 9:20 PM

    Obviously Mickey Loomis is a very good GM, not a great one.

  99. johanneschimpo says: Mar 1, 2012 9:21 PM

    Please let him walk so everyone can get off the Chargers’ nuts for not re-signing a broken QB.

  100. hooterdawg says: Mar 1, 2012 9:23 PM

    ‘Never believe a report from Yahoo”Sports” ‘

    If this site wasn’t just a sports blog, the editor might get fired for relying so much upon Yahoo as a source. Michael Silver and Jason Cole? Gimme a break. I wonder how many rejection letters they have from SI.com, ESPN, and FOXSports…

  101. tenteamparlay00799 says: Mar 1, 2012 9:25 PM

    Franchise tag Brees. End of story.You have another year to negotiate.

  102. hooterdawg says: Mar 1, 2012 9:25 PM

    “But when it comes to QB’s in the NFL, after Aaron Rodgers I would take Brees in a New York minute. ”

    Well, make that decision AFTER you drug test Rogers. He has been hanging out with the wrong crowd lately…

  103. stanklepoot says: Mar 1, 2012 9:27 PM

    buckybadger says: Mar 1, 2012 7:59 PM

    He is approaching this all wrong even if he does think this. You don’t want to sign players to contracts like Brady and Manning. Makes your team thin in a lot of areas. Hard to win a championship when you are one injury away [usually in several areas not just QB when you sign big contracts] from being a non-contender.

    My Packers will be facing the same thing very soon. Rodgers will want, and probably rightfully so, to tear up his existing contract. Comes to a point where a QB has to decide does he want to win championships or be filthy rich. Most choose the later and I can’t say what I would do.
    _______________________________
    So, you don’t want to pay an elite QB what they’re worth because an injury COULD knock the team out of the hunt? If it weren’t for those QBs, those teams wouldn’t be in the hunt to begin with. Teams don’t have to decide between having an elite QB and having a decent supporting cast. It’s simply a matter of drafting and coaching up your players well. If you’re pointing to the Colts as an example, then you need to realize that they had many more issues with their roster than just Peyton Manning’s salary. Their drafting in recent years has been poor at best. It’s hard to field a great team if you keep messing up your drafts. Furthermore, they let themselves get old and overpriced in multiple areas. Combine that with their poor drafting, and they were left weak in many areas, with little ability to improve. They were forced to play individuals who would have been no better than backups on most teams. When they lost Manning, they lost any and all ability to cover up these weaknesses. So, it’s really not a matter of losing Manning killing the team. It’s that losing Manning meant they lost the ability to make a poorly put together team seem respectable.

  104. riverhorsey says: Mar 1, 2012 9:27 PM

    Saints should pony up that 5 mil just to wear that ugly uniform.

  105. domeinate says: Mar 1, 2012 9:27 PM

    Check your sources. Loomis know he is great. Who else would be greater?? Manning(s) and Brady who he has beaten? Vick??

    Come on; get real; stop posting nonsense and call it a story

  106. johnnyb216 says: Mar 1, 2012 9:29 PM

    Seriously, as big a phony I think drew breese is, the guy deserves to be paid like a top 4 qb. To try and say he’s only a good qb is a vast understatement.

  107. halfcourthero says: Mar 1, 2012 9:31 PM

    Uh oh… I smell a franchise tag… Then comes the part where a mediocre team i.e. Seattle or Cleveland comes and scoops him up for a 1st rounder… Then benson fires loomis… U think the rest of the nfc south isn’t watching and praying for the aints downfall

  108. stanklepoot says: Mar 1, 2012 9:31 PM

    ughazi says: Mar 1, 2012 8:02 PM

    If Drew Brees settles for “good” but not “great” contract for the sake of keeping essential players on his team, then he’ll prove he truly is “great” no matter what type of contract he’s on.
    __________________________________
    Easy to say when it’s not your career. Tell you what, how about you go into your boss’ office in the morning and tell him/her that you’re willing to give the company back a third of your salary so they can afford to hire better employees? Once you’ve done that, give us some nice updates on how things go.

  109. tr975 says: Mar 1, 2012 9:33 PM

    This will probably get quite a few thumbs down, but roll with me for a moment:

    Both Peyton Manning and Reggie Wayne are from New Orleans.

    They are often linked to go to the same team in free agency.

    New Orleans makes a big splash by signing Manning and Wayne (to replace Colston and/or Meachem).

    Manning goes to a team that is already a contender, not rebuilding.

    Saints franchise Brees, trade him for a late 1st round pick to replace the one they traded to the Patriots last year to pick Mark Ingram.

    They can then choose a QB in the middle rounds of the draft to sit behind Manning for a couple of years.

  110. firstandonlywarning says: Mar 1, 2012 9:34 PM

    Been saying it for years, Brees is a very good but not great QB.

    And oh look, the Saints agree

    Spare me the yardage garbage, his yard per attempt last year doesn’t even crack the top 50 of all time.
    Not hard to break records when you throw it constantly….in a dome.

    “hi I play in a dome 10 games a year, im accurate”

    Whooptee Doo

    Coaching and situation created Drew Brees, how was he outside in Sunny San Diego? Oh right, slightly above average.

    LOL @ anyone who think Brees would come close to his #’s playing in Green Bay, New England or New York.

    FACT Drew Brees would never make a single probowl playing in windy Chicago.

    Brady, Manning, Manning, Rodgers, Cutler (yup cutler) are more talented than Drew Brees

  111. stanklepoot says: Mar 1, 2012 9:38 PM

    4evrnyt says: Mar 1, 2012 8:05 PM

    Anyone who is taking Loomis at face value is naive. This is clearly public posturing and an attempt to get into the head of Brees and his agent. The deal will get done and everyone will be happy so stop peeing in your pampers Saints fans.
    _____________________________
    Maybe, but it’s a poor tactic in this case. Brees is one of the most likeable guys in the league, and he’s absolutely LOVED in New Orleans. Loomis calling him very good instead of great is going to change this? As for getting in the head of Brees or his agent, Loomis might anger them, but he won’t scare them. As a free agent, Brees could practically write his own ticket to almost any team in the league. Even if hit with the franchise tag, I’m sure there are still teams that would be more than willing to give up 2 first round picks and pay Brees top dollar. Not only would their team be noticeably improved over night, ticket sales would skyrocket to the point they could probably raise prices. In other words, their team would be improved by more than they would by those 2 first picks and they’d more than make their money back after paying him.

  112. relaunche says: Mar 1, 2012 9:38 PM

    He’s no Tim Tebow….

  113. crabboil says: Mar 1, 2012 9:43 PM

    Apparently, Jason Cole is trying very hard to get paid, as well.

    What a load. The Loomis is a very good GM.

  114. yayojags says: Mar 1, 2012 9:47 PM

    The CBA has put free agency in weird spot the past 2 years, last year with all the guys hitting free agency early and this year it seems the salary cap wont be going up. From my understanding though the salary cap should go up significantly in the next few years after and this shouldn’t be a problem until the next CBA I would guess for most well run teams.

    Teams up against the cap with bigtime players up are put in a tight spot, oh well, more ‘parity’ maybe?

  115. crabboil says: Mar 1, 2012 9:47 PM

    Jason Cole’s three sources are:

    1. Tom Condon
    2. Someone close to Tom Condon
    3. Jason Cole, after he repeated what Tom Condon said.

  116. kismyanus says: Mar 1, 2012 9:49 PM

    this is why players need to get a ring and then get paid. You know the wealthy will try to take advantage of every situation they can.

  117. latopia says: Mar 1, 2012 9:55 PM

    Loomis thinks Brees is very good, but not great.

    OMG. If Brees isn’t “great” then there are no great QBs Loomis would be willing to pay. And if Loomis thinks Peyton is “great” while Brees is not, Loomis just wrote his walking papers if/when the Saints make that mistake.

    For the record, Brees was the most productive QB among all QBs in 2011 according to several metrics maintained at STATs.com — including most passing TDs, most passing yardage, highest completion percentage, lowest poor-throw percentage of any starter in the league.

  118. cannonballdookie says: Mar 1, 2012 9:55 PM

    Your team would be extinct if it weren’t for Brees so pay up!

  119. kane337 says: Mar 1, 2012 9:56 PM

    Loomis is just playing hard ball. They will resign him.

  120. hotlinernfl says: Mar 1, 2012 9:57 PM

    R U FREAKIN KIDDIN’ ME !?!?!??!?!

    Pfft!!!

  121. vikescry1 says: Mar 1, 2012 10:00 PM

    only 5 million? a year???? to think my boss and i were fighting over a couple of bucks an hour???

  122. halbert53 says: Mar 1, 2012 10:01 PM

    The worst kept secret in the NFL is that whenever the Brees era is over in New Orleans, Tony Romo finishes in Dallas and Sean Payton takes over as Dallas coach.

  123. mikeockizard says: Mar 1, 2012 10:02 PM

    Where is rajuncajun now? The falcons fans are laughing our asses off! Go ahead and franchise Drew, piss him off and we will take Nicks. Good luck a$$holes!

  124. quadya says: Mar 1, 2012 10:15 PM

    Here I am a dolphins fan since 1984…Been through recylcles QBs …wasted second round pick after wasted second round pick watching coaches and GMs pisss away there chance to getting a franchise QB. And this freeking idiot won’t pay (arguably) the best leader of any of the 32 teams that play this game. He should be fired immediately. Puke.

  125. polishkingski says: Mar 1, 2012 10:16 PM

    @dirtmcgirt24….if you want to bring up the arguement that a qb should be great and not just very good simply because he is surrounded by talent i have an answer to that. jim kelly was surrounded by great talent when the bills went to 4 super bowls but he was not a winner, period. got to the big game and choked. brees is a great qb. jim kelly was very good.

  126. dkrauss93 says: Mar 1, 2012 10:17 PM

    If he thinks Brees is a “very good” QB. I wonder how “bad” Mark Sanchez is.

    - Jet fan

  127. redstar504 says: Mar 1, 2012 10:18 PM

    I am not as miffed now that I see the author of the article that set off this firestorm is none other than Mr. Cole of yahoo. Cole is the biggest Saints hater in the media. It started when the Saints got Reggie Bush and he just kept at it since. This is the same guy along with Pete Prisco that were openly advocating the Falcons should have taken out Drew’s knees when he broke the record on MNF. This is the same guy that wrote attack piece after attack piece about Reggie Bush.

    This is just typical contract leverage-posturing that Cole being the scum bucket he is, is blowing out of proportion.

    I don’t know what is worse slime bag sports agents like Tom Condon who put this non-sense out there so they can make a couple of extra bucks while destroying their clients reputation and team chemistry all for the sake of padding their pockets or the scum buckets like Jason Cole that sensationalize statements and get away with taking statements out of context and never get called on it.

    I am leaning to Cole being worse.

  128. dawgpoundmember says: Mar 1, 2012 10:19 PM

    my point was those 3 colts did nothing this past year with “college graduate quarterbacks” that “great quarterback” made them quality players

  129. ascensionparish says: Mar 1, 2012 10:19 PM

    This (along with the Cole article) is journalistic sensationalism at its worst. Anyone who follows the Saints knows that Loomis thinks the world of Brees. Loomis has the unenviable task of paying Brees like a champ AND keeping together a Super Bowl caliber team.

  130. t16rich says: Mar 1, 2012 10:29 PM

    Drew Brees brought that city the excitement. He does so much more for that organization then just play games. Not to mention jersey sales or the attendance he brings in. Superbowl MVP. If theres ever been a justified time to pay a 33 year old QB, it’s with Drew Brees.

  131. roadtrip3500 says: Mar 1, 2012 10:34 PM

    Eli Manning is only making $10.75M in 2012, the 4th year of a 7-year deal. If anyone could put a gun to Mara/Tisch/Reese’s collective heads, it’s Eli. He doesn’t, because:
    A) he doesn’t have the ego of the other elite QBs
    B) he knows he doesn’t win if the D-line doesn’t also get paid.

    Eli is signed through 2015 when he will make $17M – a bargain for his caliber. He will be 35 at the end of the 2015 season, and he can easily get another 4-year deal from the Giants, especially if he wins a third Lombardi by then. If Drew Brees wants to keep winning in NO, he’s got to take a page from “the other Manning” – make a nice buck, but leave some money for the other guys who make your team balanced and better.

  132. casedogg says: Mar 1, 2012 10:38 PM

    I have to agree with Mr. Loomis on this one. Brees is a very good QB, but you have to look at the offense on that team. The head coach runs up the score whenever he can to pad Brees’ stats. Put him on a team like the Bills or Jags and lets see how “great” he is.

  133. 1phd says: Mar 1, 2012 10:47 PM

    cakemixa says: Mar 1, 2012 7:52 PM

    5 million a year apart? Here’s an idea: meet half way. I should be a negotiator!
    ——————————-
    We’ll put you on the list for when William Shatner leaves.

  134. knn9413 says: Mar 1, 2012 10:58 PM

    Brees – 10 years 1 ring..

    Ben R and Eli Manning – 7 years 2 rings each….

    You have your answer there…Mickey might have a point..

  135. Deb says: Mar 1, 2012 10:58 PM

    Fine, Loomis. Let Brees go. I’m sure other teams will appreciate the subtle difference between “very good” and “great” in the most important position on the team.

    Unbelievable.

  136. brenenostler says: Mar 1, 2012 11:11 PM

    @ pihighfootballrules and skylark70455

    I’m not saying Brees hasn’t earned it, but since when is $1 million a year not enough? Like what is Brees going to do with $91 million dollars? He refuses to play for less money when it’s not going to make a single difference in his life. Besides if he’s taking all their money, then they’re going to lose a lot of valuable players to free agency.

    Good luck winning the Super Bowl then.

  137. dandrol says: Mar 1, 2012 11:16 PM

    I agree Bree’s is great…but the difference between $21 & $25 million is a big deal to a GM trying to get everyone under contract and under the cap.

    Brees’ comments after breaking Marino’s record suggest he’s all about the team. These negotions suggest otherwise. Brees getting $25 million would be 1/6th of the entire cap. There are 53 guys on a roster. That’s crazy. I feel Drew should take the $21 million and build that team around him to be great.

  138. virusgvr says: Mar 1, 2012 11:33 PM

    5 million apart… Hmm? I make 44k a year. That would take me 113 years to make that, and it takes him 17 weeks.. Hmmmm…. Suspect?

  139. csrubar says: Mar 1, 2012 11:57 PM

    This is such BS, that it even smells like BS!!!! Obviously the editor for this article just wants to blow smoke up our @ss and really doesn’t know what kind of “GREAT PERSON” Brees is!!! He not only loves the New Orlean Saints he also LOVES the city!!! So, I would get your facts straight before you start all this crap!!!! Your “SOURCE” SUCKS!!! Lmao

  140. musicman495 says: Mar 2, 2012 12:03 AM

    dirtmcgirt24 says: Mar 1, 2012 7:57 PM

    Guy has weapons all around him who pile up YAC like it’s the buffet, plays on average 10 games a year indoors and a coach who has no problem leaving him in to run up the score where most quarterbacks are sitting down. That’s not a complaint, but let’s not pretend that this guy has some ridiculous abilities or other quarterbacks couldn’t also thrive in his place.
    ————————————————–
    Oh, I am sorry, I thought you were giving a perfect description of Peyton Manning, who is making $23 million.

  141. musicman495 says: Mar 2, 2012 12:05 AM

    Brees – 10 years 1 ring..

    Ben R and Eli Manning – 7 years 2 rings each….

    You have your answer there…Mickey might have a point..
    ————————-
    Peyton Manning, 14 years, 1 ring, $23 million. The point is on your head.

  142. allsportsnyfan says: Mar 2, 2012 12:11 AM

    Is he talking about Romo or Brees?

  143. razic3k says: Mar 2, 2012 12:39 AM

    Insulting.

  144. jessethegreat says: Mar 2, 2012 12:59 AM

    stanklepoot says:
    Actually, he was pretty darned good in San Diego too, just not as a rookie. The Chargers were unsure of Brees because he didn’t have the same measurables that many believe a great QB needs (in other words, they thought he was too short). Because of that, they spent a lot to get Rivers. Problem is, as soon as they spent what they did to get Rivers, Brees started showing the benefit of his experience and lit things up.
    ——————————————————–
    What are you rambling about? The Chargers spent a lot to get Rivers? Short history lesson for you son…. Chargers drafted Eli #1 overall (2004 draft). They were paid an additional 1st round pick to take Rivers while giving up Eli.

    I’m not a big fan of Brees, but to think the franchise tag will deter other teams from going after him is proposterous. San Fran has a late pick this year. If they signed Brees, they’d likely have another late pick next year. Anyone doubt he’d improve that team?

    The proposed trade for the Browns to get RGIII has them giving up #4 overall pick, #22 overall pick, and others. Anyone going up for the debate who is better between a proven Brees and an unknown in RGIII? I’d put my money on Brees.

  145. gimmeabruschi says: Mar 2, 2012 1:12 AM

    Like I said, Brees is a phoney.

  146. stanklepoot says: Mar 2, 2012 1:27 AM

    peytonsneck18 says: Mar 1, 2012 8:28 PM

    OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!……..but why pay a QB Peyton Manning type money when u can’t afford to keep good players around him..I think the Colts and Patriots are teaching the league a valuable lesson, no more 90-100! Million dollar QB’S
    _________________________________
    Huh? First of all, the team that won the SB has a QB with a $100 million contract as well. Secondly, how exactly are the Pats and Colts teaching people to not have a $100 million QB? Do the Pats even make it to the SB without Brady? No way, not this past season. Do the Colts suck up the field like they did this past season if they have a healthy Peyton Manning under center? No way. Both QBs have proven that an elite QB can transform less stacked teams into championship caliber teams. Now, that doesn’t guarantee that you will actually win the championship. Only 1 in 32 teams can do that any given year. What it means is that those players can give your team a realistic chance to compete for a championship year in and year out. Given the fact that the league rules seem to be making the NFL even more of a passing league, truly elite QBs will only become even more valuable to their teams, not less. So, if you think the age of the highly paid QB is coming to an end, you’re kidding yourself. This is simply an issue of one team negotiating the specific amount with one QB. In this case, the team is trying to lowball their QB because they think he won’t fight back hard enough.

  147. bvolke says: Mar 2, 2012 1:33 AM

    Is this a joke? He won the only Super Bowl in the only appearance in the history of the franchise and he’s “very good?” please send him to Buffalo. We have been waiting for a “very good” QB since Jim Kelly retired and Brees is even better.

  148. stanklepoot says: Mar 2, 2012 1:53 AM

    brenenostler says: Mar 1, 2012 11:11 PM

    @ pihighfootballrules and skylark70455

    I’m not saying Brees hasn’t earned it, but since when is $1 million a year not enough? Like what is Brees going to do with $91 million dollars? He refuses to play for less money when it’s not going to make a single difference in his life. Besides if he’s taking all their money, then they’re going to lose a lot of valuable players to free agency.

    Good luck winning the Super Bowl then.
    __________________________________
    When isn’t $1 million a year not enough? Simple, when you make your employer 100 times that much or more. The problem some of you have is that you look at a player’s salary and compare it to your own. Don’t. There’s no comparison. You base an employee’s salary on what they bring to the organization, not what someone else brings to their organization. Put it this way, if your work generated $100,000 for your employer each year, would you agree to work for $1,000 a year? I highly doubt it. That being the case, why hate on someone because they know the value of their services and try to get market value for them?

  149. girlsinthesouthlovefootball says: Mar 2, 2012 1:55 AM

    So much for anticlimatic….i feel the climax coming

  150. mikehockhurtz says: Mar 2, 2012 2:01 AM

    Ahhh….the art of negotiations

    No need to get your panties in an uproar PFT bloggers….

  151. daknight93 says: Mar 2, 2012 2:27 AM

    Loomis is smart…to say brees is a very good quarterback is saying to the agent, we are not paying him 20M+ per year and no quarterback is worth that kind of money, come down to 17-18M per year and we can wrap this deal up…it’s negotiating tactic by Saints GM…sounds like brees agent wants 23m and loomis says 18m+ per yr…there’s 5m difference…

  152. goawayeverybody says: Mar 2, 2012 3:13 AM

    Why are some people somehow implying that if the Chargers had kept Brees, the Chargers would have won the Super Bowl by now.

    Um, no they wouldn’t have, just look at that pathetic excuse for a franchise, the Chargers can’t get ANYTHING right, including their kicker!

  153. dobberdubinsky says: Mar 2, 2012 5:33 AM

    LOL! This GM is an idiot. Brees pretty much single handedly brought success to the Saints. Lose him and you’ll be back to your paper bag wearing ways New Orleans!!!

  154. androk23 says: Mar 2, 2012 5:37 AM

    If Brees thinks he’s so great, maybe he should take less money so they can find more talent for the TEAM. Guess he doesn’t care about COLSTON.

  155. reallypeoplegetalife says: Mar 2, 2012 6:56 AM

    if i was Dre Bress i would be like pay me like im great or im OUT. POINT BLANK PERIOD

  156. crankdatmanningham82 says: Mar 2, 2012 7:37 AM

    5,200+ yds id good enough for me.

  157. grogantomorganforthe says: Mar 2, 2012 7:49 AM

    Playing with fire! New Orleans can use the Franchise Tag to keep the peace, but if Loomis had any sense, he will not drag this out. Bree’s may love New Orleans, but he can easily find another city he likes, with a franchise that will pay him.

  158. gonzagylot00 says: Mar 2, 2012 8:19 AM

    Wow, this reminds me so much of the situation with the Chargers: Brees wanted to be paid like an elite, franchise, quarterback, and they refused, so Brees walked.

    The Saints are going to be kicking themselves if they miss the playoffs because Chase Daniel is their starting QB next year.

    Not to mention, Brees has become a huge beacon of goodwill for the team in New Orleans. The way he led them to a Superbowl when the city was down and out hasn’t been forgotten there…

  159. bigbluenationdb says: Mar 2, 2012 8:34 AM

    I think Breese is one of the top QBs in the league and probably should be paid like one. My only concern with him is his numbers are skewed a bit. Take him out of the doom and his numbers are average. He plays in a system that allows for a QB to rack up numbers. He benefits from having so many weapons that provide mismatches for defenses. Sprooles and Grahm alone would make any average QB even better.

    Just my thoughts.

  160. buckybadger says: Mar 2, 2012 8:34 AM

    stanklepoot, you have no concept of the salary cap. When you allocate all your money in one position your whole team becomes weak and where you may be a decent team you will never become a great team. The Saints have the pieces to win a few more championships but they won’t be keeping them all if the give Brees the contract he is asking for at the moment.

    It isn’t just about drafting well it is about drafting well and keeping the good players around your QB. The Saints have a lot of guys over these next few years they would also like to keep. You seem to be of the mind that if you have the QB everything else is filler. Not true, this is the ultimate team game and if anyone on that team gets to greedy if effects the whole team.

  161. buckybadger says: Mar 2, 2012 8:37 AM

    Those who are saying Brees single handily won that Super Bowl are insane and are novice football fans. It is a team game. I don’t think it was Brees who intercepted that pass that put the game away. I don’t think it was Brees blocking all those games either. The Saints have needs on their team. Their secondary is bad and their linebackers are weak.

    If you think Brees should get paid upwards of 20million show me the other teams that are winning SBs with paying their QBs like that? They are fewer than those paying them around 10million a year.

  162. elifan4life says: Mar 2, 2012 8:50 AM

    Good QB’ win home games, Great QB’s win games on the road…

  163. dspyank2k11 says: Mar 2, 2012 8:50 AM

    ok then… Bills will trade you Ryan Fitzpatrick for your.. ‘very good qb’ and I wish you luck.

  164. musicman495 says: Mar 2, 2012 9:13 AM

    Coaching and situation created Drew Brees, how was he outside in Sunny San Diego? Oh right, slightly above average.

    LOL @ anyone who think Brees would come close to his #’s playing in Green Bay, New England or New York.

    FACT Drew Brees would never make a single probowl playing in windy Chicago.

    Brady, Manning, Manning, Rodgers, Cutler (yup cutler) are more talented than Drew Brees

    —————————————————
    This canard that Brees cannot play outdoors is asinine. Yes, his numbers are better in the dome, but he set the Big Ten Conference record for yards passing and touchdowns at PURDUE, and led PURDUE to the Rose Bowl for the only time in about 75 years. Not sure what dome PURDUE plays in. He was also NFL Comeback player of the year in 2004 with SAN DIEGO. His problems in San Diego had as much to do with his dingbat coach Marty Schottenheimer who was in love with Doug Flutie, as they did with Brees’ own performance.

    As for Eli Manning, head to head the last three times they have played – including once in the Meadowlands – the Saints have won 30-7, 48-27, and 49-24. Here is a Giants web site which compares Manning and Brees career ROAD records. They are VERY close.

    http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=422879

  165. dexterismyhero says: Mar 2, 2012 9:17 AM

    There is a strong Brees blowing NO.

    Watch out, it might be another Katrina!!!

  166. gallogj says: Mar 2, 2012 9:49 AM

    Hey Loomis…would you consider Dan Marino a “great” quarterback? Most would. Brees broke his passing record…a record that stood for over 10 years. Manning didn’t break the passing record. Brady didn’t break the passing record. Are you kidding me? Benson should fire you on the spot. Your ability to evaluate talent is surely compromised now. There’s no way I’d trust you with my draft room! Look…I never thought Brees would be this good when he was in San Diego…but give the guy some credit…he’s one of the GREATest QB’s in history.

  167. dirkified says: Mar 2, 2012 10:25 AM

    Tony Romo is a “very good” QB and he stinks compared to Bress… nuff said..

  168. djjasonpaul says: Mar 2, 2012 10:35 AM

    Drew is a great quarterback but he does lack some cold weather ability and he needs to sign a deal for the team, not himself. Winning the Superbowl leads to more money and advertisements which can make up the difference in pay. Just sign the damn deal, take one for the team and get the rest of the squad back on. Most people never make 5 million in a life time, you already have enough money to last until your kids have grand kids. Stop being greedy Drew and sign the paper, get busy and do your thing. You’re a great QB but you make stupid mistakes trying to force the ball at times and that lowers your pay. Loomis is wrong, and so is Drew, meet in the middle and get it done.

  169. siaaa says: Mar 2, 2012 11:51 AM

    I remember the chargers saying the same thing that he’s not a big game QB or just doesnt have the arm to get to the big game and win.
    AJ Smith has been a loser all his career, but i bet the picture of brees holding the super bowl trophy is one he’ll never forget.

  170. sdffa11 says: Mar 2, 2012 1:36 PM

    brees has all the leverage. why should he accept an offer that is below market value?

    if the saints front office thinks their offer is fair, let brees go on the open market and see if he can’t get a better offer. since he played out his contract, he earned the right to get a market value deal.

    i wouldnt blame brees if he decided to sit out the season to show their front office he means business.

    just like you wouldnt disrespect brady or rodgers with a below market value offer, brees belongs in that category

  171. crabboil says: Mar 2, 2012 2:00 PM

    elifan4life says:
    Mar 2, 2012 8:50 AM
    Good QB’ win home games, Great QB’s win games on the road…

    ———

    How did Eli do in his road game in New Orleans?

  172. macklinr61 says: Mar 2, 2012 2:07 PM

    I have visions of brown paper bags over Saints fans heads if this “very good, not great” quote is accurate. Has Loomis forgotten Bobby Hebert, and all other QBs who preceded Brees? I have! I can’t name any other Saints QB before Brees made the Aints relevant.

  173. roadtrip3500 says: Mar 2, 2012 2:14 PM

    gallogj says: Mar 2, 2012 9:49 AM

    Hey Loomis…would you consider Dan Marino a “great” quarterback? Most would. Brees broke his passing record…a record that stood for over 10 years. Manning didn’t break the passing record. Brady didn’t break the passing record. Are you kidding me?
    —————————
    Actually, Brady did, and two more QBs were in the ballpark. Marino’s number was 5,084 in 1984…

    1 Drew Brees, NO 657 – 468 – 5,476
    2 Tom Brady, NE 611 – 401 – 5,235
    3 Matthew Stafford, DET 663 – 421 – 5,038
    4 Eli Manning, NYG 589 – 359 – 4,933

    Stafford just missed passing Marino by 47 yards, and Eli wasn’t that far off the mark either. The offensive game is different now – Marino would have thrown for 6,000 with the “Marks Brothers” if he had today’s pass defense rules.

  174. neovenator250 says: Mar 2, 2012 2:37 PM

    Saints are taking a hit PR wise here, but look at this. They offered Brees a contract last year that would have made him the highest paid player in the league. He refused. What do you do after that?

    http://www.nola.com/golf/index.ssf/2012/03/new_orleans_saints_qb_drew_bre.html

  175. 4ever19 says: Mar 2, 2012 2:46 PM

    Maybe the Colts can sign him and the Saints can sign Manning.

  176. pondbridge says: Mar 3, 2012 4:43 AM

    Brees:

    ‘Loomis may not quite be up to the standard of an average GM, but he isn’t (yet) the absolute worst in the league.’

  177. ebeg420 says: Mar 5, 2012 11:00 AM

    I wonder if Loomis considers Vick right there with “very good” or even “great”, if so, let’s make a deal, Philly fans will appreciate the GREATNESS of Brees since Loomis doesn’t. Vick would love the Big Easy….

  178. n0hopeleft says: Mar 5, 2012 1:25 PM

    patthepatriot666 says:
    Mar 1, 2012 8:45 PM
    I guess this means that eli wasn’t elite after all

    ___________________________________

    Somebody call the waaaaaaaambulance for the 2 time Superbowl LOSER @ the hands of Eli.

    Dont be mad cause your QB took all your franchise’s money for Ugs and hair implants.

  179. time2speakup says: Mar 5, 2012 5:43 PM

    Niner thru and thru forever – always have been, always will be. That being said, Brees is as good as there is in football. Period. I deeply admire the way he plays the game, and what I have seen of how he carries himself. I don’t know “great” “elite” blah, blah, blah. I do know this young man plays on a whole ‘nother level.

  180. tribeallica says: Mar 7, 2012 12:44 PM

    Brees is a top tier QB. Currently, I would only pick Brady and Rogers over Brees. I believe that Brees deserves around $20mil a year. I would be curious to know the amount he is being offered by the Saints.

  181. materialman80 says: Mar 7, 2012 3:45 PM

    I take Brees over Brady and equal to Rogers. If they don’t pay him and keep him, there may be a riot in New Orleans.

  182. bearflagfan says: Mar 7, 2012 6:28 PM

    Mickey Loomis is a small college hoopster turned accountant who lucked into becoming GM of the Saints. He is a cheap-skate who lucked out at getting Sean Payton and Drew Brees at fire sale prices. Payton hadn’t even been a coordinator at Dallas and didn’t command a huge salary. Brees was coming off an injury and was not in a position to demand a top-flight salary. Read Brees’ autobiography and Loomis doesn’t even play a role – it was all about Payton. Given the Payton may not be on the field for several games (or Loomis for that matter), owner Tom Benson should just instruct Loomis to sign for whatever Brees wants so at least one leader remains with the Saints on opening day.

  183. buckybadger says: Mar 8, 2012 11:43 AM

    @bearflagfan, you can’t point out great moves and call them luck. You don’t just luckily put together a Super Bowl winning roster that competes at the top of the league year in and year out. He may have said a stupid thing here but in principle he is right. He doesn’t want to break the bank and put the team in salary cap hell for any player, including Brees. Big salaries ruin a team.

    You don’t ever tell your GM to not get the best possible deal for the team. If you let the players dictate the terms why even hire a GM? Sorry but you instruct Loomis to sign Brees to the best team friendly contract you can so we can continue to be an elite team and not just a one trick pony. This is the negotiation process and you don’t let some outside issues influence the health of the team for the next 5 years. Don’t over react and lose sight at what is important here, fielding a Super Bowl roster, not just a Super Bowl QB.

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