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Saints, Brees playing high-stakes game of chicken

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So why does a $5 million annual gap exist between the Saints and quarterback Drew Brees?

The Saints believe that, no matter how much Brees huffs and puffs, he’ll never hold out for any significant period of time.  Especially not in 2012.

In 2012, the Saints and Brees will try to rebound from a special season that fell short of a Super Bowl because the team failed to secure home-field advantage in the playoffs.  In 2012, home-field advantage in the playoffs can be parlayed into home-field advantage in the Super Bowl, something no team ever has done in 46 prior Super Bowls.

In 2012, the Saints need Brees to be fully engaged in order to have the kind of regular season that results in home-field advantage in the postseason.  And Brees knows it.  And the Saints are banking on Brees ultimately choosing his team over himself.

Brees has said on multiple occasions that he’ll be with the Saints in 2012.  He has refrained from saying anything negative about the team throughout months of fruitless negotiations.  He has downplayed the potential drama that can arise from these negotiations.

The Saints believe Brees will accept the franchise tag before the launch of offseason workouts, if that’s what it comes to.  More immediately, the Saints believe Brees will want to try to work out the best possible long-term deal, so that the Saints can instead use the franchise tag on Pro Bowl guard Carl Nicks.

The Saints can get away with playing hardball because they fundamentally believe Brees won’t say or do anything that will paint him as anything less than an all-around good guy.  A guy who puts others before himself.  A guy who organized workouts during the lockout in order to ensure that the team will be ready for the 2011 season.

Brees has crafted an image that now prevents him from taking the kind of action necessary to get the team’s attention.  He can’t hold out.  He can’t demand a trade.  He can’t try to make the case to the media that he deserves at least one-sixth of the entire salary cap allotment per year.

The risk, of course, is that the Saints will push Brees to the point where he acts out of character.  But that would hurt Brees as much, if not more, than it would hurt the Saints.

None of this changes the fact that Brees deserves to be paid among the best quarterbacks in the game.  Over the last six years, he has been the very best quarterback in the game.  But as other players have learned over the years, being the best doesn’t always mean getting the best contract.  To do that, the player must have leverage, and he must be willing to use it.

Brees has leverage.  But the Saints are guessing that Brees won’t use it.  And the Saints probably are guessing right.

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68 Responses to “Saints, Brees playing high-stakes game of chicken”
  1. dolphins4 says: Mar 1, 2012 10:59 PM

    Let him go the Dolphins can use him.

  2. Mr. Wright 212 says: Mar 1, 2012 11:00 PM

    He doesn’t have as much leverage as you claim. He can’t play in the elements come winter. Yes, he is excellent in that dome, which is all the more reason why he should knock it off and agree to terms. He wouldn’t be able to do what Eli does in East Rutherford in December and January, I KNOW THAT.

  3. gmsalpha says: Mar 1, 2012 11:03 PM

    Drew Brees should just not talk about the situation at all. Anything he says will make him look bad, so do what needs to be done while keeping quiet. Let the Saints do the talking, because anything they say will only make THEM look bad.

  4. ascensionparish says: Mar 1, 2012 11:06 PM

    Make it happen, Loomis.

  5. tarquinfintimlinbin says: Mar 1, 2012 11:08 PM

    Yum steaks…but I’ll have to settle for chicken again.

  6. kane337 says: Mar 1, 2012 11:08 PM

    Dolphins get second chance at Brees. He can rejoin with Reggie Bush.

  7. cliffordc05 says: Mar 1, 2012 11:10 PM

    If the Saints do not sign Brees to a deal and then lose Nicks in free agency it will not be Brees who is blamed. There is nothing stopping the Saints from negotiating a long term deal with Nicks except that maybe they don’t want to pay him. If the Saints only had one top tier player with whom they could not reach agreement it would be one thing. However, they have not reached agreement with Brees, Nicks, or Colston.

    That does not sound like Brees’ fault to me.

  8. medtxpack says: Mar 1, 2012 11:12 PM

    Brees will sign. cut the “pay the man” crap. he is human, he did not rebuild New Orleans himself on days off, but he was the spark that lit up the team.
    Still wasnt MVP either….but he did set that stat record….
    he sould expect anything more than 16-18mil a yr.

  9. pierrepoint1 says: Mar 1, 2012 11:13 PM

    If the Saints don’t think Brees is a great quarterback I hope Brees lets them find out by not signing the franchise tender.

    I find it amazing that they want to keep him, they just don’t want to pay him what he’s worth.

  10. hpeters77 says: Mar 1, 2012 11:16 PM

    get the guys from Pawn Stars to negotiate.

  11. thatdudewiththemarauder says: Mar 1, 2012 11:19 PM

    Don’t do it Saints!!!! If you lose Brees, you end up with a guy like Rex Grossman ( Steven A. voice). Daniels is not ready, so just pay the man!!nThink about it. This is coming from a Redskins fan. HTTR!!

  12. pa1913 says: Mar 1, 2012 11:20 PM

    It’s too bad they are taking advantage of his good will and class.

  13. JD Master MInd says: Mar 1, 2012 11:21 PM

    Number 1, this shouldn’t have had to happen with all these guys coming up for contracts, that’s poor upper level management, if I was the owner I would have fired somebody whoever is responsible for this mess.

    Now getting to the facts they are what they are, okay here’s what to do get ready to get your mind blown away but listen to everything I say first before you guys blow your top.

    Make Drew Brees an offer give him a deadline to either accept it or there will be consequences, if he doesn’t accept the offer then you either franchise him and trade him or just let him go but here’s the kicker you have Jimmy Graham , Marque Colston, the og to sign Jimmy Graham and the og number 1 on your list you get those two signed and then there this guy named Payton Manning available but also even better Jason Campbell, David Garrard, Vince Young, Dennis Dixon and others Shuan Payton is a great coach he can work with these guys and New Orleans can still be a contender next year but if you sign Brees and lose these other guys I doubt very much if N.O. s can be without these guys, Those are the circumstances that you are facing like it or not face it and deal with it or pay the price for not and go back to being the aints instead of the World Champion New Orleans Saints.

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  14. neko02011980 says: Mar 1, 2012 11:26 PM

    I love the guy, bug lets face it…all athletes at this level are GREEDY. He can’t accept 10 mil/ year?? Really, come on. You disgust me Brees. I say we bring in Manning.

  15. jpmelon says: Mar 1, 2012 11:27 PM

    Wow, the Saints organization is a class act. Taking advantage of the guy who made the team relevant again isn’t the most honorable thing. I hope they franchise him and he doesn’t practice just so they learn not to take advantage of a talented/classy guy. He’s obviously worth the same kind of money that Brady or Manning is worth.

  16. teamgoku says: Mar 1, 2012 11:27 PM

    I hope they screw up some how Brees walks signs with another team and takes them to the super bowl in their house wins and says at the winning of his super bowl MVP award that he’d like to thank the Aints for resigning him and then say oh wait that’s right I play for team X now not the Aints my bad

  17. chiefton says: Mar 1, 2012 11:29 PM

    Cut him loose. 53 players on a team and no one player is worth a sixth of the salary cap. Doesn’t matter if other teams weak kneed GM’s kowtow to the superstars, somebody has to draw the line because we all saw what happened in Indy, there’s no better proof of the fallacy of sacrificing the team for the ego and pocketbook of the superstars. Think about it, would the Saints have won the Super Bowl in Brees second or third year if they had been paying him a sixth of the cap? I personally doubt it. Would they have a chance at winning the Super Bowl next year if Brees gets 20 million? Seriously doubt that too. All you can do is shrug your shoulders and tell your superstar that the way the stars get the big bucks is from ENDORSEMENTS, not salary.

  18. h4wksf4n says: Mar 1, 2012 11:29 PM

    More like saints are playing a game of chicken and going to lose at it. Brees will be highly sought after on open market.

  19. riverhorsey says: Mar 1, 2012 11:34 PM

    Plenty of teams out there that would give Brees a 100 mil for 5 years, I think the Saints can do 17 mil a year for that long.

  20. consolecomplaints says: Mar 1, 2012 11:36 PM

    If I remember correctly, in some years of his contract, Peyton Manning was making $23 million a year.

    Tom Condon, also represents Drew Brees, and is probably asking for $23 million a year or so.

    Tom Brady makes about $18-$19 million a year, if I remember correctly.

    $23-$18 million is a $5 million dollar difference.

    Saints are talking Tom Brady money, Codon is talking Peyton Manning money.

    No player is worth 1/6 of the entire salary cap. Look at the Colts when Manning got injured.

    Brees takes $18-$19 million a year with tons of guaranteed money. end of story.

  21. likemoyd08 says: Mar 1, 2012 11:41 PM

    lol funny to hear how desperate the Fins fans still are for a QB to come to town a little more then a decade later then the best that never was 13.

  22. killface4prez says: Mar 1, 2012 11:43 PM

    This is all histrionics. Drew Brees is in his prime, at the top of his game, and is going absolutely nowhere. There will be some wailing and gnashing of teeth, but a deal will get done before the preseason. There is absolutely no other fathomable outcome.

  23. mycm1127 says: Mar 1, 2012 11:54 PM

    consolecomplaints says: Mar 1, 2012 11:36 PM

    Brees takes $18-$19 million a year with tons of guaranteed money. end of story.

    Couldn’t agree more!

  24. babyhorsemorgan says: Mar 2, 2012 12:01 AM

    Or in this case a high stakes game of Chicken Etoufee Creole Cajun Gumbo. Or something equally awful.

  25. girlsinthesouthlovefootball says: Mar 2, 2012 12:03 AM

    So, what you’re saying is the Saints have no respect for Brees’ leverage? I doubt that for some reason. Shameless negotiating tactics aside, I think both sides should be commended. If the worst insult is “you’re not great…but you’re very good”, I’ll take it. That is some down and dirty stuff right there.

  26. tenteamparlay00799 says: Mar 2, 2012 12:12 AM

    The Saints have offered Brady money. 18-19 Million per year.Brady has been to 5 Super Bowls with 3 Super Bowl wins.Brees 1 SB with 1 SB win.

    Will someone explain why greedy little Drew Brees deserves more than Brady?

  27. uberniner says: Mar 2, 2012 12:22 AM

    Hmmm, my Niners are thinking $10 mil range for Alex Smith.

    Hey, I’ll trade Smith for Brees right now, and even throw in our #1. Brees deserves more. If he takes $10 mil, it will be a joke.

  28. stanklepoot says: Mar 2, 2012 12:30 AM

    Mr. Wright 212 says: Mar 1, 2012 11:00 PM

    He doesn’t have as much leverage as you claim. He can’t play in the elements come winter. Yes, he is excellent in that dome, which is all the more reason why he should knock it off and agree to terms. He wouldn’t be able to do what Eli does in East Rutherford in December and January, I KNOW THAT.
    ________________________________
    And how, exactly, do you KNOW THAT? The fact that Brees plays on a team that plays in a dome doesn’t necessarily mean that Brees can’t play well outside of a dome. If I remember correctly, Brees played at Purdue in college, and if you don’t think Big 10 players know how to play in inclement weather, you’re just kidding yourself.

  29. stanklepoot says: Mar 2, 2012 12:42 AM

    hpeters77 says: Mar 1, 2012 11:16 PM

    get the guys from Pawn Stars to negotiate.
    ______________________________
    Yes, but you need to realize that even they admit that there are more deals that don’t get done than ones that do in their shop, and with Brees we’re not talking about a fake or reproduction. Brees is the real thing: an elite QB, seemingly a great guy, well loved by the fanbase (and well respected by rivals), and a major source of revenue for the team. A player like Brees doesn’t just help a team on the field (although he certainly does that as well). He sells tickets and a whole lot of merchandise.

    I guarantee you that even if the Saints paid what Brees’ agent is asking, they would more than make their money back. NFL teams aren’t charities or non-profits (ok, technically the Packers are a non-profit, but they get around that by spending the extra money on their higher ups). If they pay a player, they do so because they believe that player brings greater value to the team than they have to pay him. Sure, some players are bad investments, but a player like Brees has already returned a dramatic payout on the Saints’ initial investment in him, and I don’t see any indication that things are likely to change in the near future. The only argument against paying Brees top dollar is that it could hurt their cap position, but that can be dealt with by altering the structure of the deal to focus more on bonuses than official salary. The Saints just need to be willing to front load a little more of the money.

  30. LoCoSu@%s says: Mar 2, 2012 12:47 AM

    If the Saints screw up, I can easily see Washington throwing a trunk full of cash at Brees.

  31. stanklepoot says: Mar 2, 2012 12:48 AM

    I have to say, this whole thing is truly ironic. Teams and fans all complain about overpaying players with bad attitudes or other issues. Now, we have a high character guy like Brees who has produced at an elite level on the field and generated a tremendous amount of good will off the field, and the Saints front office wants to short change the guy because they think he’s too nice to stand firm and demand what he’s earned (relative to other QBs at least). Rather disgusting in my opinion. If you want good character guys who can be a positive face of your organization, then reward those who fit that description. If you only pay market rate for a player who throws tantrums or threatens to act in a way that can hurt the team’s preparedness, then that is what you’ll get..and what you’ll deserve. If you willingly reward players who do things the right way, then you greatly increase your odds of acquiring and retaining such players.

  32. ravensfan4life52 says: Mar 2, 2012 12:49 AM

    I’m sorry but if I were Brees I wouldn’t take the crap that he is. He’s the best QB in the NFL right now and his GM just came out and disrespected him publicly as well as in the negotiations. If I were Brees I wouldn’t just sit there and take it. I would refuse to play until I was traded or cut. Sure I’d sign the franchise tender but I wouldn’t play a single down until the GM started showing some respect and gratitude to the man that brought that team out of the cellar of the NFC South and completely saved and turned around the franchise.

  33. chains33 says: Mar 2, 2012 12:51 AM

    It’s amazing that the “press” can’t take the SAME criticism as they dish out! You are a horrible writer and make NO points that have any merit. Half of this post is completely insane. Brees will not tarnish his reputation at all by holding out. It’s part of the business and everyone besides yourself knows this. Go ahead and delete this comment now because it is truthful and I know that [truth] hurts your feelings.

  34. stanklepoot says: Mar 2, 2012 1:01 AM

    neko02011980 says: Mar 1, 2012 11:26 PM

    I love the guy, bug lets face it…all athletes at this level are GREEDY. He can’t accept 10 mil/ year?? Really, come on. You disgust me Brees. I say we bring in Manning.
    _________________________________
    I’m sorry, but I’m really getting tired of comments like this. How is it GREEDY of an individual to ask his employer to pay him the free market value for his services? Too many people whine about what a player makes because they want to compare it to what they or their friends make. I’m sorry, but there’s no comparison. Elite athletes make what they make for one simple reason: they make even more money for the people that pay them. Whether it’s an advertiser who pays an athlete to use his image or reputation to sell their products, or a team that uses him to sell tickets, merchandise, concessions, and increase the size of their tv audience so that they get more money from the networks, professional athletes generate much more money for those that pay them than they receive. That’s how successful businesses work, and the NFL is certainly a successful business. If teams were losing money, the old “greedy players” argument would have some merit. They aren’t however, and it doesn’t. Besides, you want to talk about greedy athletes? Check out some of those baseball salaries…you know, the fully guaranteed ones. The way contracts are done in the NFL heavily favors the teams in almost all cases, so I have no problem with a player trying to get what they can when they’ve earned it. Brees has earned it.

  35. jessethegreat says: Mar 2, 2012 1:13 AM

    I’m going to laugh when a team like San Fran swipes him and all New Orleans gets for him are two late 1st round picks.

    The shocking part is that the Rams are likely going to get a much better return for the rights to draft potential in RGIII than the Saints would for a proven commodity in Brees.

    I know one player does not make a whole team (Manning on the Colts being the exception), but the Saints need to pay Brees what he’s worth on the open market.

  36. kismyanus says: Mar 2, 2012 1:13 AM

    Get your ring and then get paid. Make sure they pay you Brees or play your tag year and walk. Get your money. If the Saints do not want to pay you someone else will.

  37. stanklepoot says: Mar 2, 2012 1:14 AM

    consolecomplaints says: Mar 1, 2012 11:36 PM

    If I remember correctly, in some years of his contract, Peyton Manning was making $23 million a year.

    Tom Condon, also represents Drew Brees, and is probably asking for $23 million a year or so.

    Tom Brady makes about $18-$19 million a year, if I remember correctly.

    $23-$18 million is a $5 million dollar difference.

    Saints are talking Tom Brady money, Codon is talking Peyton Manning money.

    No player is worth 1/6 of the entire salary cap. Look at the Colts when Manning got injured.

    Brees takes $18-$19 million a year with tons of guaranteed money. end of story.
    _______________________________
    Two points:
    1. There were a lot more problems with the Colts roster than just Peyton not being able to play. The drafting in recent years has been poor at best, and the front office has let the roster get too old and too overpriced in multiple areas.
    2. Your “look what happened with Peyton being injured” argument is actually counter productive to the point you’re trying to make. If you credit all or most of the problems last year simply to the loss of Peyton, then you’re arguing that an elite QB is even more valuable than what the highest paid QB is being paid. If the loss of one player can have that drastic of an effect on the performance of a team, then you hold on to such a player at any cost. That’s especially true when you consider how rare a truly elite QB is.

  38. noeffinway says: Mar 2, 2012 1:19 AM

    Stafford > Brees

  39. gimmeabruschi says: Mar 2, 2012 1:19 AM

    “Over the last six years, he has been the very best quarterback in the game.”

    How you figure? By piling up dome stats?

  40. farvite says: Mar 2, 2012 1:28 AM

    If I’m Seattle, Cleveland, or Miami, I throw an absurd ludicrous offer Brees’ way.

  41. mikehockhurtz says: Mar 2, 2012 1:58 AM

    Loomis better pump his brakes….

    Snyder and Jones will make it happen

  42. freedomispopular says: Mar 2, 2012 2:03 AM

    I’m waiting to see one of these humble starting QBs take like a $2 million salary so that their team can afford other stars.

  43. 49ersgiants4life says: Mar 2, 2012 2:33 AM

    It’s embarrassing that people are making Drew Brees to be the bad guy he is one of the best guys in the NFL for people that dont know he has basically built neighborhoods in new Orleans with his foundation and his own money. The saints are a classless organization if they try and make drew the bad guy

  44. bearsstillsuck says: Mar 2, 2012 3:26 AM

    He puts records in front of his team.

  45. goawayeverybody says: Mar 2, 2012 4:01 AM

    People who are so quick to defend Brees need to realize he is asking for $24 million a year. That is a historic contract and significantly higher than Tom Brady, who already has THREE rings under his belt.

    As a Saints fan, I’m not so sure I want Drew Brees to completely gut the team just to get the money he believes he deserves. Do not forget, Drew Brees didn’t amount to that much on a somewhat decent team like the Chargers. Sean Payton deserves just as much credit for turning the Saints around as Drew Brees does.

    Now having said all this, I do hope they find a way forward, but if Brees’ contract demands are so high that the Saints were forced to let Nicks, Colston, and Meachem go, then I say franchise tag the man and see where that leads.

  46. catquick says: Mar 2, 2012 4:17 AM

    If Brees calls their bluff and leaves, this franchise explodes and doesn’t recover for a decade….at least.

  47. steelerer says: Mar 2, 2012 4:36 AM

    consolecomplaints says:Mar 1, 2012 11:36 PM
    If I remember correctly, in some years of his contract, Peyton Manning was making $23 million a year.

    Tom Condon, also represents Drew Brees, and is probably asking for $23 million a year or so.

    Tom Brady makes about $18-$19 million a year, if I remember correctly.

    $23-$18 million is a $5 million dollar difference.

    Saints are talking Tom Brady money, Codon is talking Peyton Manning money.

    No player is worth 1/6 of the entire salary cap. Look at the Colts when Manning got injured.

    Brees takes $18-$19 million a year with tons of guaranteed money. end of story.
    ———————————————————

    First off Brady’s contract was 2 years ago, second this is post CBA. Thats why there is a rookie cap so veterans can make more money. 20-22 million dollars a year is about what hes worth and earned. He played the last 6 years at 12 million a year if I remember correctly.

    before we use peyton as a reason for why a player is not worth 1/6th the salary cap, why dont we take a look.
    2010 colt 10-6
    2011 colts 2-14

    you also probably want to take a look at the colts for the past 10 years

    You wanna rethink that statement.

    If brees wants to take a home town discount I see no problem with that, but as it stands right now his fair market value is worth 20+ million a year.

    Some people may not like that, but this is the reality. Veterans were suppose to cash in after the CBA was negotiated. Before we get to the “the poor owners crowd” lets remember they are saving a lot of money paying the rookies, take a look at Newtons contract compared to same bradfords contract.

  48. wryly1 says: Mar 2, 2012 5:41 AM

    Brees doesn’t have the leverage? Wha?? Are they a .500 team without him.

  49. robf2010 says: Mar 2, 2012 6:54 AM

    “He wouldn’t be able to do what Eli does in East Rutherford in December and January, I KNOW THAT.”

    Meadowlands, December 24, 2006:

    Saints 30, Giants 7

  50. falconsfan says: Mar 2, 2012 7:45 AM

    consolecomplaints ,
    Even if the Saints paid Brees the Vet minimum they’d be the 2011 Colts if he went down. Without Brees the Saints would finish 3rd or possibly 4th in the NFC South.

  51. salmen76 says: Mar 2, 2012 8:46 AM

    I guess Bree’s forgets he threw 2 interceptions in the playoff game against the 40 whiners. He lost to the scrub Seattle sea-hawks the year before that. Drew is a good QB but he is NOT great. He does NOT ever play well on the road. I believe the Saints brass are tired of him being so spoiled. Eli Manning has 2 rings and he beat the 40 Whiners on the ROAD. Drew Bree’s will never win a playoff game on the road. I don’t know why. But i think the Saints are thinking, why pay a QB the whole bank that only plays well at home. Sure he’s a good man. But Drew can’t win by himself. The Saints need to completely rebuild their high school defense. How can they do that if Drew gets all the money. Drew is being a Whiny little selfish rich boy. I have a policy i always follow in life, “Never feel sorry for a millionaire”! If coach would have got Romo away from the Cowboys when he was hired by the Saints the Saints would still have a SB ring. Maybe 2 or 3. Drew is not GOD. He’s really short, he can’t scramble at all, and he plays horrible on the road. For all the money Drew wants it would make more sense to trade him for a boat-load of picks and draft Luck or Griffin and rebuild our sorry defense. Geaux Saints!

  52. vikingvalor says: Mar 2, 2012 8:49 AM

    This is so stupid. Pay the man! My applying the tag, they are taking the chance of not being able to resign Nicks and Colston. Let’s not forget that Meachem and Tracy Porter are also gone. To say that Brees won’t hold out in order to continue some kind of “specialness” is stupid if all these key pieces are leaving

  53. kacapaco says: Mar 2, 2012 8:49 AM

    Is the franchise try to take advantage of his devotion, Brees should give them middle finger.

  54. captatl says: Mar 2, 2012 9:14 AM

    Brees represents his family first, the Union 2nd and the Saints and New Orleans 3rd. a player that servred on the NFLPA exec board is not going to be Tagged especially afer he sued the league asking to be exempted. I say he sits till he gets what he wants, which may be when the Saints are 1-4. Dont blame Brees. Blame Loomis. Could have avoided this after the SB with an extension in the uncapped 2010 season. Long term deal with a huge roster bonus which would not have been spread against the term of the contract and would not count toward the CAP since there was not one. Loomis is not the guru he is made out to be.

  55. crawfish2011 says: Mar 2, 2012 9:18 AM

    Brees absolutely has NO leverage. The Saints can franchise him this year and franchise him next year too.

  56. bayoubauer says: Mar 2, 2012 9:34 AM

    There’s a reason why Will Smith’s contract is being restructured right now. They are going to sign Brees before Monday, franchise Nicks, and attempt to sign Colston to a deal.

    Why do most folks assume the holdup is due to Brees wanting more money? Do you have access to inside information that no one else does? Have you spoken directly to Brees and/or Mickey Loomis?

    The Saints have a chance to do something this year that has never been done before in the history of the nfl, win the SB on their homefield.
    I’d like to think this group realizes that, and will put the team first in this situation. Will they? Who knows, maybe not. We’ll know by monday.

  57. jm91rs says: Mar 2, 2012 9:39 AM

    I’m tired of all the “dome stats” talk. There are only about 3 teams that can honestly say they would take their qb over Brees RIGHT NOW (Pats, Pack, and I’ll give you the Lions if you want to use Brees’ age against him. I like Eli, but Brees is better.). If you’re throwing out “dome stats” talk you’re implying someone else can come in and do what he does? The fact is there is no one available that can do what he does, so he’s worth every penny.

    Now I have thought all along, if somehow Brees digs in too hard, he could hit the road and be replaced by Peyton. I don’t think it would be a great move, but I’m sure Peyton would love playing in another dome, for his hometown, for a super bowl ready team. Not gonna happen because Brees doesn’t want to leave, but it would be one heck of a backup plan.

  58. hatesycophants says: Mar 2, 2012 9:51 AM

    @stanklepoot,

    Outstanding post! I’m not a Brees fan and I despise Saints fans, but I agree with your post in its entirety.

    @noeffinway,

    Eventually (soon), this will be true.

    Go Lions! Go Badgers!

  59. rjg427 says: Mar 2, 2012 9:52 AM

    Im getting giddy of just the thought of brees finally having to stop the act of being the greatest guy on earth..Hes so friggin annoying with that crap..He’s a walking cliche..”the team this..the team that..I wasnt aware i close to the record”…BS!

    Dont get me wrong..He’s an awesome QB, and he deserves to be paid the money he’s looking for..Its his PR skills that suck and are so transparent..

    Just hoping the media doesnt make excuses for him when he finally has to show his true colors.

  60. 4gone says: Mar 2, 2012 9:53 AM

    Plenty of people on this site calling him “Drew Greed” during the lockout. Is he a great QB? Yes. Is he a great person? Who knows – to the media maybe.
    There comes a point when there needs to be a balance between money and winning to appease the fans.
    Peyton Manning demanded to be the highest paid player at the sacrafice of being able to put talent around him and it worked because he still won and you saw what the team was without him.
    Pay Brees like he wants you will quickly find out how good he really is because you will immediately be without Hicks and Colston.
    We’ll See.

  61. Mr. Wright 212 says: Mar 2, 2012 9:57 AM

    stanklepoot says:
    Mar 2, 2012 12:30 AM
    Mr. Wright 212 says: Mar 1, 2012 11:00 PM

    He doesn’t have as much leverage as you claim. He can’t play in the elements come winter. Yes, he is excellent in that dome, which is all the more reason why he should knock it off and agree to terms. He wouldn’t be able to do what Eli does in East Rutherford in December and January, I KNOW THAT.
    ________________________________
    And how, exactly, do you KNOW THAT? The fact that Brees plays on a team that plays in a dome doesn’t necessarily mean that Brees can’t play well outside of a dome. If I remember correctly, Brees played at Purdue in college, and if you don’t think Big 10 players know how to play in inclement weather, you’re just kidding yourself.

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    Proof is in the pudding. The playoffs and shaky games in the elements OUTSIDE of the dome — prove my assertion.

  62. CKL says: Mar 2, 2012 10:00 AM

    stanklepoot says:
    Mar 2, 2012 12:42 AM
    The Saints just need to be willing to front load a little more of the money.
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    I don’t know how tight the Saints are against the cap right now but that may be tough to do if they are. The cap is not set to rise significantly until 2014 when the new tv money kicks in.

    I agree with consolecomplaints, etc, the Saints fans who think it’s unwise to spend that much of the cap on one player. I agree that it’s the Payton-Brees dynamic, not one or the other that makes them better. When you have great coaching you can survive better the loss of even a great player. Like my team did in 08 when TB was lost for the year. If TB had wanted 1/6 of the cap, as great as I think he is…no way would I be happy with/ok with that.

    One of the biggest problems with the Colts was not only failure to have a backup QB prepared, but also that they had a bad caching staff. That’s why they were fired too in the purge. If they had a staff like NO or NE or GB, etc. they would have been competitive, even sans PM.

  63. pencepost says: Mar 2, 2012 10:16 AM

    With the outside chance that the Bears could sign Carl Nicks if he’s not franchised, I hope Brees continues to hold out. I imagine other teams in need of offensive line upgrades feel the same way.

  64. cowboycjn says: Mar 2, 2012 10:23 AM

    Gotta agree with an earlier comment- why all this last minute, deadline deals?? Sounds like the management system leaders of the Saints sat on their butts by not negotiating earlier. Do YOU wait until you are on the toliet and then say oh-no we are out of toliet paper – gonna have to get more. Its bought in advance to never run out. Well re-working contracts should be done BEFORE the last minute. Somebody has to think ahead!
    Every body have a different opinion about Brees – doesn’t matter, hes the best N.O. has ever had-period. If they don’t want to give him a long term contract for the money he wants, negotiate same money for a shorter time , maybe 4 yrs. instead of 6. All boils down to its a business and the all mighty dollar. Pro-players only have so many years then they have to retire because their skills drop off or they are to banged up with health problems to continue, Hell yes they want as much as possible during their peak years- wouldn’t you??? Pay the man.

  65. southernbelle54 says: Mar 2, 2012 1:18 PM

    What is wrong with you people?
    I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE DREW AND SEAN PAYTON! THEY ARE THE BEST.

    Is he a great QB? Yes. Is he a great PERSON, FATHER, AND HUSBAND? ABSOLUTELY!Drew deserves a raise and more. Look at other players who make much more, do they deserve it?

    I grew up in Lousiana and did not follow the Saints (because the team was awful) until Drew signed on. Drew has brought us a long way since Katrina and the team needs to stay that way.

    Saints MANAGEMENT get off the pot and do your jobs. Save our team!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  66. salmen76 says: Mar 2, 2012 1:51 PM

    Drew brees deserves a big contract! Sure! But the reality is that if the Saints give him that much there just isn’t enough left to field a quality team around him. And teams need to keep some cushion for injuries and such. Brady has won 3 SBs and played in 5. Drew has played in one and won one. Why should Brees get more money than Brady? Peyton Manning was way overpaid and he has only one ring. Drew don’t deserve any more than what ever Brady is getting. Brees knows all this yet he is trying to milk the Saints for every dime he can. He’s not looking like such a nice guy to me anymore. In fact it was mostly eyewash anyway. Just going thru the motions to create a good impression. Now here he is with a chance to show he is a great guy and sign a reasonable contract to help save the team and he won’t do it. Sad! Geaux Saints!

  67. kghannigan says: Mar 2, 2012 3:21 PM

    salmen76 says: Mar 2, 2012 8:46 AM

    I guess Bree’s forgets he threw 2 interceptions in the playoff game against the 40 whiners.
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    My “40 whiners” had/still have the best defense in the NFL. It just proves he’s human.

    That being said, if the Saints put the tag him and Brees still decides to walk my 49ers will take him AND Colston and go on to win 3 SBs in a row!

    Even if the Saints keep Brees your hopes of winning the SB in NO will be dashed if SF appears on your schedule. FEAR THIS! <3

  68. laserw says: Mar 2, 2012 3:46 PM

    What did the Saints have before Brees? Nothing!

    Play games with Brees and you’ll end up burned. I expected better out of the Saints and hope Brees sees how little he really means to this team.

    The Redskins are looking for a quality QB and Brees would be a definite upgrade.

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