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Vikings stadium deal could be destined for court

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The fate of the so-called “People’s Stadium” in Minneapolis could ultimately be designed by people who wear black robes, one of whom coincidentally was once a member of the Purple People Eaters.

Yes, Alan Page and his cohorts on the Minnesota Supreme Court eventually could be called upon to resolve the question of whether the funding plan for the new Vikings stadium requires approval from the citizens of Minneapolis.

As of 1997, a citywide vote must be held on any investment of more than $10 million in a sports facility.  Previously, the powers-that-be wanted to deposit the proceeds of a Minneapolis sales tax into a separate stadium authority in order to avoid the requirement of a public vote that, given the current mood of the populace, most likely would fail.  Now, the plan is to redirect existing hospitality taxes that currently fund the city’s convention center, according to Eric Roper of the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

Supporters of the maneuver say that it’s merely a shifting of existing taxes.  Mayor R.T. Ryback (pictured) says that voters can express any displeasure with that plan by voting him out of office.

But this thing won’t get brushed under the rug quite so easily.  Already, a majority of the members of the Minneapolis City Council believe that a public vote on the proposal is required.  So, for starters, one of them will have to be persuaded otherwise.

Even then, any adult member of the Minneapolis public — represented by a lawyer who’d crave the free publicity that would come from spearheading the effort — can file suit to force a vote.  And then the lawsuit would be heard at multiple levels by judges who ultimately are accountable to the voters, too.  Eventually, Page and company would get the case.

Without studying the language of the Minneapolis charter in detail (I soon will), it seems like a stretch to simply flip the switch on an existing tax and claim that the money harvested from business activities occurring in Minneapolis don’t amount to investment in a sports facility.

And so, basically, the folks in Arden Hills shouldn’t make other plans for that big piece of land just yet.  And the folks who are trying to build a new NFL stadium in Los Angeles shouldn’t cross the Vikings off the list.

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  1. vikingsnorth says: Mar 2, 2012 10:17 AM

    Ugh! I want off this rollercoaster. At this point I don’t care ‘what’ they build, where they build, or how they do it. Just get something done!!!

  2. tharoostah says: Mar 2, 2012 10:18 AM

    The laggards of the NFC north? Who cares that team is mismanaged and will get a little worst each year. The won’t go to the playoffs ever with Da Bears, Green
    Bay and now Detroit beating them twice a year.

  3. Stiller43 says: Mar 2, 2012 10:23 AM

    James farriors been cut along with chris kemoeatu which happened yesterday…

  4. AlohaMrHand says: Mar 2, 2012 10:25 AM

    Build it in Duluth.

  5. zappa69 says: Mar 2, 2012 10:32 AM

    tharoostah says: Mar 2, 2012 10:18 AM

    The laggards of the NFC north? Who cares that team is mismanaged and will get a little worst each year. The won’t go to the playoffs ever with Da Bears, Green
    Bay and now Detroit beating them twice a year.

    Time for Minnesota to put their money into the school system so we don’t have to read tharoostah’s hillbilly opinions.
    “yer sure have a purty mouth roostah”.

  6. purpleman527 says: Mar 2, 2012 10:34 AM

    So, now we are back to a “possible move to LA” storyline again?

    Oh the humanity !

  7. zaggs says: Mar 2, 2012 10:38 AM

    “Mayor R.T. Ryback (pictured) says that voters can express any displeasure with that plan by voting him out of office.”

    Except that he wouldn’t be up for re-election until 2014. So they would have to institute a recall election (if/when its allowed in Minn). So he has 3 years to “redirect” the taxes before the people could do anything about it.

  8. phillyjeff says: Mar 2, 2012 10:46 AM

    Next stop>LA

  9. mancave001 says: Mar 2, 2012 10:46 AM

    Of course a vote is required. My God…they are out there in public, talking about getting around it. The Tea Party folks will LOVE that.

    And really…you’re going to spend a FEW HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS of public money and note even VOTE on it?

  10. keeley2 says: Mar 2, 2012 10:46 AM

    R.T. “Schister” Rybak is not due for re-election until 2013 – I assume he is counting on the relatively short attention span of the general electorate in order for him to keep his seat.
    Increasing/diverting taxes on sports facilities should not be done without a vote – period. Any other veiled attempts to get this done on the backs of the taxpayers is unethical and wrong.
    BTW, I wonder what the Minneapolis Convention Center folks think about their funds being stolen from them?

  11. glac1 says: Mar 2, 2012 10:50 AM

    and we know what the Minnesota court system is like.. Looks like Ziggy knows what he’s doing and by being patient he’ll get what he wants… a ticket out of town.

  12. ruvelligwebuike says: Mar 2, 2012 10:52 AM

    Zygi just doesn’t understand Minnesota’s style of government. All he needs to say is that they’ll throw in some rainbow sculptures and have art deco stylings throughout the building. It can be a museum of GLBT art/football stadium.

    It makes perfect sense there. You can drink beer at the game…but it’s 3.2%. You can play poker in Minnesota…but you can’t play no limit. Why wouldn’t they just bastardize something else? It’s what they do.

  13. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Mar 2, 2012 11:05 AM

    I can’t believe this city council has no interest in hosting an NFL team in their city. Why don’t we ask the LA city council, the San Antonio city council, or the Paduka, KY city council if they would like to use money they’re already collecting to fund 20% of a world class facility that will bring millions of people into their city every year?

  14. jefferee101 says: Mar 2, 2012 11:05 AM

    Yet another example of how the politicians of this country no longer are fit to “represent” the American public. They are required to put it to a vote, but they are finding ways to avoid letting the public vote on it.

    Average salaries:

    • Congress Members (Representatives and Senators): $174,000
    • Senate and House Majority/Minority Leaders: $193,400
    • Cabinet Members: $199,700
    • Speaker of the House: $223,500

    US household:

    The median household income in the United States is $46,326

    But it’s just a little tax hike……

    oh but its just a little rise in gas prices…

    oh but its just a little rise in the cost of food….

    oh but its just a small rise in property taxes….

    oh but we can help you cover these costs….

    To the rich, this may seem small, but to the poor, this can have a crippling effect.

  15. stellarperformance says: Mar 2, 2012 11:07 AM

    Peoples Court…how appropriate.

  16. bdoubleoey says: Mar 2, 2012 11:09 AM

    Funny, there wasnt a vote for the money that went towards the Twins Stadium. MN is the state of procrastination. we always have to wait for the last minute on everything. And complain about it, but when its done, talk about how we love it ex. Target Field. Twins should have been playing their 5th year in the stadium by now, and the Vikings stadium should almost be done. and the Gophers should have never got one. And if we lose them we will complain that we dont have an NFL team, and have to pay to build a new one anyways. ex. North Stars to the Wild. The Vikings are by far the most popular team in the state, and we want to get rid of them. This state pisses me off. Skol Vikings

  17. gdeli says: Mar 2, 2012 11:13 AM

    The vikings stadium thing is so stupid and political. We have to have more tax for the twins stadium I do not use without a vote. Whatever, this is way old like all that farve crap that happened. I’ll see updates on the tv news, good enough.

  18. ketchupaholic says: Mar 2, 2012 11:16 AM

    Dear Minnesota,

    I’ve been a life long Vikings fan for over 40 years. All of them living in the land of Cheese & Beer, which you can imagine is enough torture. I’ve stood by the Vikings for all those decades of underachieving and thought things would get better. But alas, we have another feather to put in the cap of our hated rivals with this stadium issue fiasco.

    It is growing more-and-more clear to me that Minnesota, the passionate-progressive state that it is has allowed it’s failures to trickle down and affect not only the Vikings over the years, but the Twins, Wild, and Gophers. Minnesota used to stand for great Hockey, but the people of Minnesota let the Northstars leave. Their college hockey teams used to dominate alongside Wisconsin, now they are second fiddle to east coat garbage and Michigan? Really?

    It is with this latest attempt for a new stadium for the states most visible professional sports team that frustration has only fermented into futility. I like many fans have seen what the city of Minneapolis and the sports commission their have done to the Vikings over the years. Rape & Pillage does not even come close as the Vikings have been relocated to the bottom of the feeding troth by these corrupt organizations/committees.

    It is with this that I believe the only way the Vikings will get a new stadium deal and Super Bowl is by starting over and moving the whole franchise somewhere else. The pacifist people of Minnesota have shown their introverted Norwegian tendencies and failed once again. You saw what happened when the predominantly German settled region of Green Bay wanted a stadium, Blitzkrieg!, Even the Polish in Chicago managed to keep the Bears there. Not like they were going to move to Gary, Indiana or anything. But the avenue was there. Just look at the Giants/Jets who play on Jersey Shore.

    In any case. Minnesota, “WAKE THE HELL UP!”

  19. vontazemebro says: Mar 2, 2012 11:18 AM

    Seems like the local politicians are pushing back on handout entitlements.

    Sounds good to me.

  20. jimmysee says: Mar 2, 2012 11:25 AM

    Build it in Eau Claire.

  21. binkystevens says: Mar 2, 2012 11:26 AM

    And yet Packer fans are dumb for willingly buying stock which donates money to their stadium renovation? Minnesota – you don’t have a leg to stand on in criticizing the Packer fan base. I don’t even need to get into the history and tradition gaps of the two teams to make my point, either.

  22. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Mar 2, 2012 11:28 AM

    jefferee101 says:
    Mar 2, 2012 11:05 AM
    Yet another example of how the politicians of this country no longer are fit to “represent” the American public. They are required to put it to a vote, but they are finding ways to avoid letting the public vote on it.

    Average salaries:

    • Congress Members (Representatives and Senators): $174,000
    • Senate and House Majority/Minority Leaders: $193,400
    • Cabinet Members: $199,700
    • Speaker of the House: $223,500

    US household:

    The median household income in the United States is $46,326

    But it’s just a little tax hike……

    oh but its just a little rise in gas prices…

    oh but its just a little rise in the cost of food….

    oh but its just a small rise in property taxes….

    oh but we can help you cover these costs….

    To the rich, this may seem small, but to the poor, this can have a crippling effect.
    __________

    Ordinarily, I would agree with you, although I would leave out the class warfare part. The fact is, however, that this stadium would be built without any new taxes. The Minneapolis part would be funded with an existing tax that will be extended. Have you ever heard of a tax that was scheduled to end actually ending? It’s never happened. We’re talking about a hospitality tax in Minneapolis, so if these poor people can’t afford it, they can stay in a hotel or eat in a restaurant in another city (but why would you need to stay in a hotel if you already live in the city?). The state portion is funded by electronic pulltabs, which nobody has to buy. This stadium will not cripple anybody.

  23. jessethegreat says: Mar 2, 2012 11:35 AM

    Very frustrating that this is taking so long. On a positive note, it still leaves the Arden Hills site open. People should realize that L.A. is used just for posturing. LA will eventually get a new team, not a relocated one.

    Even this Die Hard Packer fan knows that the Vikings brand is worth the most in MN. You can’t replicate 50 years of growth to a fanbase by simply moving them to LA. For the most part, the Metrodome is the reason the profit margins aren’t as high as they could be. I guarantee when a new stadium is built, wheather the team is fighting for the playoffs or not, the stadium will fill up.

    I have many friends that are lifelong Vikings fans. None of them has or will jump ship. They often talk about the “almosts” and poor decisions management has made, but thru it all, they’ve been loyal fans.

  24. dbreinki says: Mar 2, 2012 11:39 AM

    Mike, It will never get to court.
    The main reason the ‘Dome Site Plan’ has been pushed/followed is because politically, it’s the only site/plan in which the Bill sponsors in the House and Senate feel a majority of the MN Legislature will vote to use it’s override of the Mpls. City referendum, just like the Legislature did for the Twins ballpark. MN State law states that all Taxing Authorities are subject to approval/disapproval from the MN Legislature. The Legislators can simply vote ‘around’ the $10M Mpls city referendum.

  25. Deb says: Mar 2, 2012 11:49 AM

    God bless the Vikings fans. This neverending stadium tug-o-war has me wanting to beat my head against a wall. Can’t imagine what it must be like for the loyal fans in Minnesota who just want to know their football team will be staying put so they can focus on normal things like free agency and the draft. Holding the thread of an LA move over their heads is just evil.

  26. Canned Heat says: Mar 2, 2012 11:50 AM

    zaggs says:Mar 2, 2012 10:38 AM

    “Mayor R.T. Ryback (pictured) says that voters can express any displeasure with that plan by voting him out of office.”

    Except that he wouldn’t be up for re-election until 2014. So they would have to institute a recall election (if/when its allowed in Minn). So he has 3 years to “redirect” the taxes before the people could do anything about it.
    __________________________________

    The mayor cannot just go ahead and do this redirection of funds for ANY public monies without the votes of a city’s common council, an appointed commission, or multiple countywide commission….not sure how it’s established up there.

    I see this coming to an ugly head and something simlar to what happened when Goerge Petak cast the deciding vote for Miller Park in Milwaukee. on the 5 county wide sales tax hike that funded it. He was subsequently recalled and bounced afterward…but that vote kept baseball in Milwaukee.

    Good luck to the Vikes fans….would suck eggs for them to not get this done…for any fan of any team in the NFC North.

  27. johnnyb216 says: Mar 2, 2012 11:50 AM

    LA vikings. Suck it, losers.

  28. critter69 says: Mar 2, 2012 11:50 AM

    Diverting an existing tax will depend entirely on how the tax was created – was it for a specific purpose or not?

    If so, then a vote would be required. If not, then a vote would not be required, but might be advisable.

    And the Minnesota Supreme Court, if it is doing it’s duty correctly, will not go with “the people’s wishes” on how the tax should be used or not, but how the law establishing the tax reads on what purposes for which the tax was to be used.

  29. purpleman527 says: Mar 2, 2012 11:58 AM

    jefferee101 says: Mar 2, 2012 11:05 AM

    “To the rich, this may seem small, but to the poor, this can have a crippling effect.”
    ———————————————————

    One major problem with your point. The tax that is proposed is not an income tax that would effect everyone across the board.

    It’s a use tax on hotels, bars and gaming, etc. The poor shouldn’t be spending their money at these venues if they are truly poor.

    In other words, it won’t affect the poor at all, unless THE POOR CHOOSE to participate in said “sin taxes”. Therefore, your argument is idiotic.

    Have a good weekend though.

  30. zeeman1 says: Mar 2, 2012 12:17 PM

    You want to leave this to the same voter’s who elected Al Franken and Jesse “the Nobody” Venturra. You all deserve to lose the team, then come begging the NFL for a team and pay twice the amount for a stadium. Go watch an opera instead.

  31. purpleman527 says: Mar 2, 2012 12:20 PM

    jefferee101 says: Mar 2, 2012 11:05 AM

    Yet another example of how the politicians of this country no longer are fit to “represent” the American public. They are required to put it to a vote, but they are finding ways to avoid letting the public vote on it.

    Average salaries:

    • Congress Members (Representatives and Senators): $174,000
    • Senate and House Majority/Minority Leaders: $193,400
    • Cabinet Members: $199,700
    • Speaker of the House: $223,500

    US household:

    The median household income in the United States is $46,326
    —————————————-

    And another big problem with your point, is that you are using FEDERAL government salaries to make your idiotic point. There is NO FEDERAL taxation involved with the Vikings stadium. NONE

    My god, wake up you clown. You could at least quote Minnesota State Senators and State Reps to at least appear like you know what in the hell your talking about.

    The biggest problem is you have NO CLUE about what you are talking about.

  32. richc111 says: Mar 2, 2012 12:39 PM

    Why does it seem like everything in this country ends up in court? Like the old quote went, if we didn’t have lawyers there would be no need for lawyers.

  33. dempsey63 says: Mar 2, 2012 12:43 PM

    I hope the ex-player judge doesn’t refer to “Page vs. 49ers” as a precedent and rule the wrong way on this one.

  34. YouGetTheHorns says: Mar 2, 2012 12:56 PM

    There are a few things I don’t get:

    Why build it anywhere except downtown? All the amenities make sense. Parking, restaurants, entertainment. Put the stadium in the center of the population base, not in the munitions dump several hours further away from half the fans!

    Why can’t they shift tax money? If it’s collected for a hospitality tax, then it’s not far fetched to say that the new stadium could benefit because the stadium would benefit Minneapolis!

    How the hell did the Twins stadium ever get built? Seriously – WTF? It seems impossible for the Vikings who have a strong following.

    I need insight on these issues.

  35. jefe17 says: Mar 2, 2012 1:04 PM

    dbreinki says:
    Mar 2, 2012 11:39 AM
    Mike, It will never get to court.
    The main reason the ‘Dome Site Plan’ has been pushed/followed is because politically, it’s the only site/plan in which the Bill sponsors in the House and Senate feel a majority of the MN Legislature will vote to use it’s override of the Mpls. City referendum, just like the Legislature did for the Twins ballpark. MN State law states that all Taxing Authorities are subject to approval/disapproval from the MN Legislature. The Legislators can simply vote ‘around’ the $10M Mpls city referendum.

    ______________________

    So you are saying that the State can tell a City that they have to give $150 million to a Stadium, even if they dont want to?

    Pretty sure there has to be some major issues in doing that. The Tax for the Twins stadium was a Hennepin County Tax wasnt it? It wasnt city funding, it was from the entire county. State Legislature says they will not tax the county or state for the Vikings.

    I personally dont see how the Vikings and State can get by this without a public vote in November. There is no time-sensitive bill to bypass a vote since the Vikes already notified the league they arent leaving. So giving the Minneapolis citizens a vote in November is the only right thing to do.

  36. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Mar 2, 2012 1:08 PM

    How’s your stadium coming?

  37. godzilla111111 says: Mar 2, 2012 1:18 PM

    And another big problem with your point, is that you are using FEDERAL government salaries to make your idiotic point. There is NO FEDERAL taxation involved with the Vikings stadium. NONE

    My god, wake up you clown. You could at least quote Minnesota State Senators and State Reps to at least appear like you know what in the hell your talking about.

    The biggest problem is you have NO CLUE about what you are talking about.

    ==============================

    The point is we live in a Banana Republic.
    The people are robbed to pay for wars, Wall Street bonuses, welfare and food stamps to buy the votes of those who don’t pay taxes and who elect those who raise our taxes. It is all a scam-wake up.

    What’s another stadium? We built one in MD and Art Modell had the balls to sell PSLs for what we paid for?.

  38. rubbernilly says: Mar 2, 2012 1:23 PM

    I can see them moving to LA and St. Louis being shifted into the NFC North.

  39. matthewcarlson1 says: Mar 2, 2012 1:23 PM

    I really enjoyed reading these comments… They mostly show that most people have no idea what they’re talking about when it comes to politics (and others love to prove them wrong). Also Why are there so many Vikings haters? Is it because we’re pretty much always good? Aside from a couple down years they are always right there in the chase.. I guess I can see how people would hate on that.

  40. fngs1 says: Mar 2, 2012 1:26 PM

    fngs1 says: Mar 1, 2012 6:53 AM

    Good, it is nice to know that I will still have my two weeks of talking @%$# to all my friends that are Viking fans. The up or down side to it is that I won’t have to worry about the next time they need to build a stadium. Heres to the next 30-40 years of hating my friends for two weeks a year, or vice versa.
    ——————————————————
    Shame on me for jumping the gun on a previous post that the DEAL was pretty much done. Not trying to be mean, but this roller coaster ride for you Viking fans really sucks.

  41. YouGetTheHorns says: Mar 2, 2012 1:34 PM

    Update:

    The governor just announced an agreement has been made. The Vikings agree to the Mpls site with a stadium modeled after Lucas Oil Field.

    Good news for now, but this still has to get through the legislature and city council.

    I’m hoping for the best.

  42. TxGrown says: Mar 2, 2012 1:40 PM

    thankheavenfornumberseven says:

    I can’t believe this city council has no interest in hosting an NFL team in their city. Why don’t we ask the LA city council, the San Antonio city council, or the Paduka, KY city council if they would like…
    ============================================================
    Hmmmm…the Paduka Vikings. It has a nice ring to it.

  43. pashapook says: Mar 2, 2012 1:40 PM

    Referendums are a cop out for politicians! They should vote on it and stand by their decision after weighing all the info (economic, cultural, etc..) it is what they were elected to do. If everything had to pass a referendum then nothing would pass.. Our roads would not get fixed, schools would not get funded…nothing would ever get done!

    As for the Packer fans chiming in about how much better your organization is than ours.. S c r e w you! Your franchise has a privilege no other franchise is allowed to have (Owned by the state). Be grateful and stop rubbing it in other peoples’ faces. Its classless and pathetic!

  44. granadafan says: Mar 2, 2012 1:41 PM

    Billionaires in a corporation worth hundreds of billions of dollars, yet they hold cities and the citizens hostage to build their workplaces. Wake up people!

  45. purplecrowe says: Mar 2, 2012 1:58 PM

    Sick of these chickens%&t legislators/council members. Why a referendum? You were voted in to make these decisions. Make a decision and live with it…

  46. jimmysee says: Mar 2, 2012 2:07 PM

    pashapook says:
    Mar 2, 2012 1:40 PM
    Referendums are a cop out for politicians! They should vote on it and stand by their decision after weighing all the info (economic, cultural, etc..) it is what they were elected to do. If everything had to pass a referendum then nothing would pass.. Our roads would not get fixed, schools would not get funded…nothing would ever get done!

    As for the Packer fans chiming in about how much better your organization is than ours.. S c r e w you! Your franchise has a privilege no other franchise is allowed to have (Owned by the state). Be grateful and stop rubbing it in other peoples’ faces. Its classless and pathetic!

    ==================================

    Pashapook — you truly do not know what you’re talking about —

    Packers are NOT owned by the state — they’re owned by the people.

    Individual shareholder who sent in their $$$, took a lot of abuse around here — but the model works.

  47. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Mar 2, 2012 2:13 PM

    dempsey63 says:
    Mar 2, 2012 12:43 PM
    I hope the ex-player judge doesn’t refer to “Page vs. 49ers” as a precedent and rule the wrong way on this one.
    __________

    That would have been a nice bit if it were Page instead of Jim Marshall who ran the wrong way.

  48. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Mar 2, 2012 2:14 PM

    Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Mar 2, 2012 1:08 PM
    How’s your stadium coming?
    ________

    About as well as your weight loss program. At least we’ll reach our goal eventually.

  49. purpleman527 says: Mar 2, 2012 2:19 PM

    godzilla111111 says: Mar 2, 2012 1:18 PM

    The point is we live in a Banana Republic.
    ——————————————————–

    So, you are saying the City of Minneapolis, Hennepin County and the State of Minnesota is a banana republic? Because that’s where the hospitality taxes will be implemented. THERE ARE NO FEDERAL DOLLARS INVOLVED.

    LMFAO at you clowns.

    But I will grant you this. The Obama administration IS close to being a banana republic. No doubt about that.

  50. contra74 says: Mar 2, 2012 2:31 PM

    jimmysee says:
    Mar 2, 2012 2:07 PM

    ==================================

    Pashapook — you truly do not know what you’re talking about —

    Packers are NOT owned by the state — they’re owned by the people.

    Individual shareholder who sent in their $$$, took a lot of abuse around here — but the model works.
    ————
    If the SHTF tomorrow youre telling me your single vote keeps the packers in place? Doubtful. Your vote elects members on a board but thats it. Those members can literally say F it and shut down the place with all proceeds going to the local VFW hall or whatever was designated. Poof, no more Packers except for a framed proof of receipt.

  51. pashapook says: Mar 2, 2012 3:11 PM

    jimmysee

    You truly dont have a clue, do you? My point is still valid!!! Your comment may have corrected a slight misnomer of mine (by the state, by the people in the state, stock shares, worthless peices of paper you hang on your wall…whatever) my statement still holds…good try though.

  52. stavreafavre says: Mar 2, 2012 4:37 PM

    Vikings are the NFL version of the Chicago Cubs – just without the “Lovable” part.

  53. tdahl5 says: Mar 2, 2012 5:57 PM

    I’m so sick of the put the money in the schools’ arguement! Do you honestly think if the Vikings move to LA taxes will go down and Minnesota schools will be the best in the nation? It just provides one less form of entertainment at a facility that is open to the public. I’m not a museum fan but understand the value of them to other residents. I love how involved people become in politics when it involves professional sports and how they pay little to no attention on how their other tax dollars are wasted on all other matters.

  54. Pirate Nurr says: Mar 2, 2012 10:24 PM

    Having lived across from the Metrodome in college, I fully understand why it’s more desirable to have a stadium outside of the city.

    In the Metrodome’s defense it’s located almost in the heart of downtown Mpls, right on the light rail and bus routes. It’s easy to get to from the numerous park-and-ride locations and there’s plenty of parking nearby. Hotels abound and there are many great restaurants and bars nearby.

    That being said, it’s a logistical nightmare if you want to do anything near that part of the city, or use the light rail/buses when there’s a game. Try commuting to work on a Sunday using the light rail when it’s packed with rowdy football fans, drunk both before and after the game. It’s a small taste of how nasty game-time makes the city.

    There are plenty of areas to put the stadium, near the north end of 35W isn’t a bad situation. It’s a bit of a drive, but it’s central enough for anyone from or driving to the Twin Cities. I guarantee shuttles would run to/from the stadium from the Twin Cities and outlying areas. There would be enough space for parking and hotels and restaurants would start being built nearby, which would stimulate the economy.

    Maybe it’s not ideal for city pride, but it makes the most sense logistically if you’ve ever had to experience the madhouse of a sports event at the Metrodome.

  55. dempsey63 says: Mar 4, 2012 1:33 AM

    @thankheavenfornumberseven: You skewered me properly on that “Jim Marshall” point. Page’s notoriety came as the result of a snowmobile outing that went astray (he ended up burning $100 bills to stay alive), but somehow I attributed it to the fumble return.

    I gave you a “thumb up” for setting me straight. Whomever gave you the “thumb down” likely thought you were making a big deal out of nothing, but I’m all for accuracy.

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