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	<title>Comments on: IRS could be interested in undeclared bounty payments</title>
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		<title>By: georgebrett</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/03/irs-could-be-interested-in-undeclared-bounty-payments/#comment-1608893</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know of a guy that played baseball in Japan many years ago and while he was there the club paid for his apartment which was about $8000 each month. He played there for 5 years so in essence his apartment cost about $480,000 over that span. After he came back to the states the IRS sent him a letter telling him that he didn&#039;t report the apartment as income. He settled for over $100,000. Government, PLEASE get out of our lives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know of a guy that played baseball in Japan many years ago and while he was there the club paid for his apartment which was about $8000 each month. He played there for 5 years so in essence his apartment cost about $480,000 over that span. After he came back to the states the IRS sent him a letter telling him that he didn&#8217;t report the apartment as income. He settled for over $100,000. Government, PLEASE get out of our lives.</p>
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		<title>By: rkgering</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rkgering]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IRS wants &quot;all they can get&quot;!  True - they came after me with a false &quot;return&quot; to claim I owed them $1500 + on a -$3,000+ in 2002.       

IRS wants &quot;all they can get&quot;!  False - they collected $0 from Obama when he received the Nobel Peace Prize of $146,000,000 in 2008.  That &quot;income&quot; was a &quot;capital gains income&quot; that should have yielded 60% or over $80,000,000 in tax revenue for which Obama has paid zilch!  Just think how much that will total with &quot;penalty and interest&quot;!  AND Obama wants everyone to pay their fair share!?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IRS wants &#8220;all they can get&#8221;!  True &#8211; they came after me with a false &#8220;return&#8221; to claim I owed them $1500 + on a -$3,000+ in 2002.       </p>
<p>IRS wants &#8220;all they can get&#8221;!  False &#8211; they collected $0 from Obama when he received the Nobel Peace Prize of $146,000,000 in 2008.  That &#8220;income&#8221; was a &#8220;capital gains income&#8221; that should have yielded 60% or over $80,000,000 in tax revenue for which Obama has paid zilch!  Just think how much that will total with &#8220;penalty and interest&#8221;!  AND Obama wants everyone to pay their fair share!?</p>
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		<title>By: georgebrett</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/03/irs-could-be-interested-in-undeclared-bounty-payments/#comment-1607538</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[georgebrett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is comedy, the NHL has had fights for years and years. Are you telling me that the guys throwing the fists aren&#039;t TRYING to inflict pain. It&#039;s a game, a very physical game where people try to knock players out each and every game with or without a bounty. The more the law gets involved the worse the sports will be. Same with government. Stay away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is comedy, the NHL has had fights for years and years. Are you telling me that the guys throwing the fists aren&#8217;t TRYING to inflict pain. It&#8217;s a game, a very physical game where people try to knock players out each and every game with or without a bounty. The more the law gets involved the worse the sports will be. Same with government. Stay away.</p>
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		<title>By: mueller10565</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/03/irs-could-be-interested-in-undeclared-bounty-payments/#comment-1607491</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mueller10565]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 20:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To the person who wrote if he was a prosecutor of a city that the Saints played in over the last 3 years.
 
I am not so sure you would be making a good name for yourself as most people in that City would wonder why you and the City were wasting so much money on such fruitless cases…
 
Look they did wrong But prosecution and from a Cities budget stand point what a waist of money that would be.
 
I think if an individual players that did got knocked out of a game if they wanted to file a civil suit then that is up to them but good luck getting other players to file any charges….

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Remember, this is not a traffic violation - this is a criminal conspiracy to inflict injury upon another person.  With overall public opinion reacting negatively to the way the NFL has handled  injuries in the past, I think most people (NFL fans would probably be split) would approve of this action as a way to clean up the game.  The first prosecutor to initiate criminal proceedings will be the one that gets the most facetime.  You can&#039;t buy this type of PR.

Also, it&#039;s not the individual that files charges, it&#039;s the State.  You do not need the cooperation of the victim to pursue a criminal prosecution.  If a person was injured during the game, it&#039;s a matter of public record.  They wouldn&#039;t even need to be involved.  Also, with the NFL report totaling 50,000 pages, all the heavy lifting has already been done.  All a prosecutor needs to do is get a copy and run with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the person who wrote if he was a prosecutor of a city that the Saints played in over the last 3 years.</p>
<p>I am not so sure you would be making a good name for yourself as most people in that City would wonder why you and the City were wasting so much money on such fruitless cases…</p>
<p>Look they did wrong But prosecution and from a Cities budget stand point what a waist of money that would be.</p>
<p>I think if an individual players that did got knocked out of a game if they wanted to file a civil suit then that is up to them but good luck getting other players to file any charges….</p>
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<p>Remember, this is not a traffic violation &#8211; this is a criminal conspiracy to inflict injury upon another person.  With overall public opinion reacting negatively to the way the NFL has handled  injuries in the past, I think most people (NFL fans would probably be split) would approve of this action as a way to clean up the game.  The first prosecutor to initiate criminal proceedings will be the one that gets the most facetime.  You can&#8217;t buy this type of PR.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s not the individual that files charges, it&#8217;s the State.  You do not need the cooperation of the victim to pursue a criminal prosecution.  If a person was injured during the game, it&#8217;s a matter of public record.  They wouldn&#8217;t even need to be involved.  Also, with the NFL report totaling 50,000 pages, all the heavy lifting has already been done.  All a prosecutor needs to do is get a copy and run with it.</p>
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		<title>By: mueller10565</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/03/irs-could-be-interested-in-undeclared-bounty-payments/#comment-1607455</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 20:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First off you are missing a very vital point of this argument. In order to prove that any of these players were paid to “intentionally” harm another player you have to prove intent. You have to be able to prove that a player knowingly and intentionally went out and harmed anothe player. In the NHL incident it was easy to prove intent, because there were punches thrown and the players head was slammed into the ice by the other player. That is by all accounts an assault. Oh good luck proving anyone accepted any monies for said “intentional harm”. I’m pretty sure the team didn’t issue checks that stated, “bonus for intentionally harming Brett Favre”. Unless someone was secretly recording these transactions or someone confesses to being paid a certain amount of money for taking these actions it’s not going anywhere. Tracking cash payments is gonna be tough to do.

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A group of players decide that if opposing player X gets knocked out of the game because of injury, the person delivering the blow gets $1500.  DB John Doe knocks Player X out of the game and willingly collects the cash payment.  That is obvious proof of intent.

As for the cash payments - the NFL report and supporting documentation runs 50,000 pages.  The league has obviously tracked the payments in order to make their case.  If not, a couple of subpoenas to the players involved will create a stampede of players willing to sing to make a deal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off you are missing a very vital point of this argument. In order to prove that any of these players were paid to “intentionally” harm another player you have to prove intent. You have to be able to prove that a player knowingly and intentionally went out and harmed anothe player. In the NHL incident it was easy to prove intent, because there were punches thrown and the players head was slammed into the ice by the other player. That is by all accounts an assault. Oh good luck proving anyone accepted any monies for said “intentional harm”. I’m pretty sure the team didn’t issue checks that stated, “bonus for intentionally harming Brett Favre”. Unless someone was secretly recording these transactions or someone confesses to being paid a certain amount of money for taking these actions it’s not going anywhere. Tracking cash payments is gonna be tough to do.</p>
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<p>A group of players decide that if opposing player X gets knocked out of the game because of injury, the person delivering the blow gets $1500.  DB John Doe knocks Player X out of the game and willingly collects the cash payment.  That is obvious proof of intent.</p>
<p>As for the cash payments &#8211; the NFL report and supporting documentation runs 50,000 pages.  The league has obviously tracked the payments in order to make their case.  If not, a couple of subpoenas to the players involved will create a stampede of players willing to sing to make a deal.</p>
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		<title>By: lombardihero</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 14:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To the person who wrote if he was a prosecutor of a city that the Saints played in over the last 3 years.

I am not so sure you would be making a good name for yourself as most people in that City would wonder why you and the City were wasting so much money on such fruitless cases...

Look they did wrong But prosecution and from a Cities budget stand point what a waist of money that would be.

I think if an individual players that did got knocked out of a game if they wanted to file a civil suit then that is up to them but good luck getting other players to file any charges....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the person who wrote if he was a prosecutor of a city that the Saints played in over the last 3 years.</p>
<p>I am not so sure you would be making a good name for yourself as most people in that City would wonder why you and the City were wasting so much money on such fruitless cases&#8230;</p>
<p>Look they did wrong But prosecution and from a Cities budget stand point what a waist of money that would be.</p>
<p>I think if an individual players that did got knocked out of a game if they wanted to file a civil suit then that is up to them but good luck getting other players to file any charges&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: onebucplace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[onebucplace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 08:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Top 1% pay more in federal taxes than the bottom 95% combined -- so it&#039;s good to see them going after the people who aren&#039;t doing their fair share.

And for those who don&#039;t believe that stat, it&#039;s from your liberal bible the NY Times:  http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/top-1-paid-more-in-federal-income-taxes-than-bottom-95-in-07/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Top 1% pay more in federal taxes than the bottom 95% combined &#8212; so it&#8217;s good to see them going after the people who aren&#8217;t doing their fair share.</p>
<p>And for those who don&#8217;t believe that stat, it&#8217;s from your liberal bible the NY Times:  <a href="http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/top-1-paid-more-in-federal-income-taxes-than-bottom-95-in-07/" rel="nofollow">http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/top-1-paid-more-in-federal-income-taxes-than-bottom-95-in-07/</a></p>
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		<title>By: enx31</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[enx31]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 07:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone not referring to this incident without &#039;gate&#039; at the end of it, will also be fined.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone not referring to this incident without &#8216;gate&#8217; at the end of it, will also be fined.</p>
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		<title>By: apm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[apm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 04:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[None of y&#039;all never won big enough in Vegas to go home with a W-2G form?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of y&#8217;all never won big enough in Vegas to go home with a W-2G form?</p>
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		<title>By: exlnce1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[exlnce1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 04:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That’s why I love the First Amendment – It makes it easy to identify the idiots of the world.

A tackle is within the rules of the game. Paying someone to intentionally harm another player is OUTSIDE the rules of the game, and subject to the laws of the jurisdiction where the incident took place. According to your convoluted logic, anything is permissible as long as it takes place on the field. If you recall, an NHL player was recently charged for a hit on an opposing player.
-------------—--------------------------------------------------------------------First off you are missing a very vital point of this argument. In order to prove that any of these players were paid to &quot;intentionally&quot; harm another player you have to prove intent. You have to be able to prove that a player knowingly and intentionally went out and harmed anothe player. In the NHL incident it was easy to prove intent, because there were punches thrown and the players head was slammed into the ice by the other player. That is by all accounts an assault. Oh good luck proving anyone accepted any monies for said &quot;intentional harm&quot;. I&#039;m pretty sure the team didn&#039;t issue checks that stated, &quot;bonus for intentionally harming Brett Favre&quot;. Unless someone was secretly recording these transactions or someone confesses to being paid a certain amount of money for taking these actions it&#039;s not going anywhere. Tracking cash payments is gonna be tough to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s why I love the First Amendment – It makes it easy to identify the idiots of the world.</p>
<p>A tackle is within the rules of the game. Paying someone to intentionally harm another player is OUTSIDE the rules of the game, and subject to the laws of the jurisdiction where the incident took place. According to your convoluted logic, anything is permissible as long as it takes place on the field. If you recall, an NHL player was recently charged for a hit on an opposing player.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-—&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;First off you are missing a very vital point of this argument. In order to prove that any of these players were paid to &#8220;intentionally&#8221; harm another player you have to prove intent. You have to be able to prove that a player knowingly and intentionally went out and harmed anothe player. In the NHL incident it was easy to prove intent, because there were punches thrown and the players head was slammed into the ice by the other player. That is by all accounts an assault. Oh good luck proving anyone accepted any monies for said &#8220;intentional harm&#8221;. I&#8217;m pretty sure the team didn&#8217;t issue checks that stated, &#8220;bonus for intentionally harming Brett Favre&#8221;. Unless someone was secretly recording these transactions or someone confesses to being paid a certain amount of money for taking these actions it&#8217;s not going anywhere. Tracking cash payments is gonna be tough to do.</p>
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		<title>By: mueller10565</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mueller10565]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 02:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey legal genius, it would not be assault, but would be considered battery. Assault is a verbal or physical threat to a person. Battery would be the actual physical contact. So with your legal genius thinking, then every tackle by every player in the NFL would be considered battery because it causes physical harm to the body, whether they are taken out of the game or not. Leading with the helmet, would be considered aggravated battery because the helmet could be considered a weapon of harm.

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Scenerio:  I’m up for a big promotion at work in two weeks (let’s call it Super Promotion XLIV).  However, to be considered, I need to have an interview this Sunday against another person.  In order to increase my odds,  I offer any of my coworkers $10,000 to injure my competition so he can’t make it to the interview.  (where did I hear of something similar happening?  Oh yeah, Saints LB Jonathan Vilma offered $10K to any teammate that would knock Brett Favre out of the 2009 NFC Championship Game)

You would consider that legal?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey legal genius, it would not be assault, but would be considered battery. Assault is a verbal or physical threat to a person. Battery would be the actual physical contact. So with your legal genius thinking, then every tackle by every player in the NFL would be considered battery because it causes physical harm to the body, whether they are taken out of the game or not. Leading with the helmet, would be considered aggravated battery because the helmet could be considered a weapon of harm.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Scenerio:  I’m up for a big promotion at work in two weeks (let’s call it Super Promotion XLIV).  However, to be considered, I need to have an interview this Sunday against another person.  In order to increase my odds,  I offer any of my coworkers $10,000 to injure my competition so he can’t make it to the interview.  (where did I hear of something similar happening?  Oh yeah, Saints LB Jonathan Vilma offered $10K to any teammate that would knock Brett Favre out of the 2009 NFC Championship Game)</p>
<p>You would consider that legal?</p>
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		<title>By: mikeeg</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 02:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IRS wants their slimy hands on anything they can get.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IRS wants their slimy hands on anything they can get.</p>
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		<title>By: thraiderskin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thraiderskin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 01:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the bounty system is outside of NFL law and was intended to harm another player beyond the rules of the game, then do the bounties not become hits and if that is the case, shouldn&#039;t a differrent arm of federal law enforcement be involved? It seems to me the actions reach beyond the sidelines to such a degree they are illegal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the bounty system is outside of NFL law and was intended to harm another player beyond the rules of the game, then do the bounties not become hits and if that is the case, shouldn&#8217;t a differrent arm of federal law enforcement be involved? It seems to me the actions reach beyond the sidelines to such a degree they are illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: mueller10565</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 01:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey legal genius, it would not be assault, but would be considered battery. Assault is a verbal or physical threat to a person. Battery would be the actual physical contact. So with your legal genius thinking, then every tackle by every player in the NFL would be considered battery because it causes physical harm to the body, whether they are taken out of the game or not. Leading with the helmet, would be considered aggravated battery because the helmet could be considered a weapon of harm.
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That&#039;s why I love the First Amendment - It makes it easy to identify the idiots of the world.

A tackle is within the rules of the game.  Paying someone to intentionally harm another player is OUTSIDE the rules of the game, and subject to the laws of the jurisdiction where the incident took place. According to your convoluted logic, anything is permissible as long as it takes place on the field.  If you recall, an NHL player was recently charged for a hit on an opposing player.

I respectfully disagree with the poster on the RICO laws.  I&#039;ve seen them used in a very broad scope in the Federal courts.  Although I would admit that it would take a ballsy U.S. Attorney to go that route.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey legal genius, it would not be assault, but would be considered battery. Assault is a verbal or physical threat to a person. Battery would be the actual physical contact. So with your legal genius thinking, then every tackle by every player in the NFL would be considered battery because it causes physical harm to the body, whether they are taken out of the game or not. Leading with the helmet, would be considered aggravated battery because the helmet could be considered a weapon of harm.<br />
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That&#8217;s why I love the First Amendment &#8211; It makes it easy to identify the idiots of the world.</p>
<p>A tackle is within the rules of the game.  Paying someone to intentionally harm another player is OUTSIDE the rules of the game, and subject to the laws of the jurisdiction where the incident took place. According to your convoluted logic, anything is permissible as long as it takes place on the field.  If you recall, an NHL player was recently charged for a hit on an opposing player.</p>
<p>I respectfully disagree with the poster on the RICO laws.  I&#8217;ve seen them used in a very broad scope in the Federal courts.  Although I would admit that it would take a ballsy U.S. Attorney to go that route.</p>
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		<title>By: fatfreddystubbs</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 01:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think this is too big a deal from the IRS standpoint.  Despite all the IRS horror stories, they just want their money and usually work with people to get it.

If they have some documented proof that a guy got a $10,000 payment and didn&#039;t pay tax on it, they&#039;ll say &quot;hey, you owe ____ on that, pay up&quot;, and unless the guy is either A) an idiot that made $900,000 a year and doesn&#039;t have two or three-thousand dollars to pay it or B) the guy decides to say &quot;screw you IRS, i&#039;m not paying sheeoot&quot;, the player will just pay the money and everyone goes home.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this is too big a deal from the IRS standpoint.  Despite all the IRS horror stories, they just want their money and usually work with people to get it.</p>
<p>If they have some documented proof that a guy got a $10,000 payment and didn&#8217;t pay tax on it, they&#8217;ll say &#8220;hey, you owe ____ on that, pay up&#8221;, and unless the guy is either A) an idiot that made $900,000 a year and doesn&#8217;t have two or three-thousand dollars to pay it or B) the guy decides to say &#8220;screw you IRS, i&#8217;m not paying sheeoot&#8221;, the player will just pay the money and everyone goes home.</p>
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		<title>By: billsfan1</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 01:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They wouldn&#039;t hesitate twice to audit a regular person, why should these guys be different. As far as Williams goes, he is a jackass. There is a reason he won&#039;t be a head coach again . As d cordinator of Washington he had a million dollar bonus to be awarded if he didn&#039;t become their coach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They wouldn&#8217;t hesitate twice to audit a regular person, why should these guys be different. As far as Williams goes, he is a jackass. There is a reason he won&#8217;t be a head coach again . As d cordinator of Washington he had a million dollar bonus to be awarded if he didn&#8217;t become their coach.</p>
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		<title>By: orcheon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[orcheon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Give me a break. The money has already been taxed when it was originally earned. Players may be in violation of illegal gambling, however.

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IRS doesn&#039;t care.

If you derive an economic benefit from something and it is not exempted in a specific provision, you are legally obligated to report it and pay taxes on it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give me a break. The money has already been taxed when it was originally earned. Players may be in violation of illegal gambling, however.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>IRS doesn&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>If you derive an economic benefit from something and it is not exempted in a specific provision, you are legally obligated to report it and pay taxes on it.</p>
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		<title>By: TheWizard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheWizard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Feb 28th, 1913&lt;/i&gt;

Thanks, it was sort of a rhetorical question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Feb 28th, 1913</i></p>
<p>Thanks, it was sort of a rhetorical question.</p>
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		<title>By: melikefootball</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[melikefootball]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can run but you cant&#039;t hide.....even in New Orleans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can run but you cant&#8217;t hide&#8230;..even in New Orleans.</p>
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		<title>By: prrebel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[prrebel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I’m the prosecutor of a city that the Saints played in over the last 3 years and wanted to make a name for myself, I’m going to be looking at the injury report for those games. If any of the host city’s players were knocked out of the game, I would subpoena the NFL for the investigation records. If any money changed hands for that injury, that would be conspiracy to commit felonious assault.
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Hey legal genius, it would not be assault, but would be considered battery. Assault is a verbal or physical threat to a person. Battery would be the actual physical contact. So with your legal genius thinking, then every tackle by every player in the NFL would be considered battery because it causes physical harm to the body, whether they are taken out of the game or not. Leading with the helmet, would be considered aggravated battery because the helmet could be considered a weapon of harm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I’m the prosecutor of a city that the Saints played in over the last 3 years and wanted to make a name for myself, I’m going to be looking at the injury report for those games. If any of the host city’s players were knocked out of the game, I would subpoena the NFL for the investigation records. If any money changed hands for that injury, that would be conspiracy to commit felonious assault.<br />
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<p>Hey legal genius, it would not be assault, but would be considered battery. Assault is a verbal or physical threat to a person. Battery would be the actual physical contact. So with your legal genius thinking, then every tackle by every player in the NFL would be considered battery because it causes physical harm to the body, whether they are taken out of the game or not. Leading with the helmet, would be considered aggravated battery because the helmet could be considered a weapon of harm.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelEdits</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/03/irs-could-be-interested-in-undeclared-bounty-payments/#comment-1606428</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MichaelEdits]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If someone puts a bounty on IRS agents ... I ain&#039;t posting that. I&#039;ll get audited.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone puts a bounty on IRS agents &#8230; I ain&#8217;t posting that. I&#8217;ll get audited.</p>
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		<title>By: orcheon</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/03/irs-could-be-interested-in-undeclared-bounty-payments/#comment-1606415</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[orcheon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder when government decided they could tax nearly every monetary transaction between parties.

It’s never enough.

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Feb 28th, 1913]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder when government decided they could tax nearly every monetary transaction between parties.</p>
<p>It’s never enough.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Feb 28th, 1913</p>
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		<title>By: TheWizard</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/03/irs-could-be-interested-in-undeclared-bounty-payments/#comment-1606409</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheWizard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder when government decided they could tax nearly every monetary transaction between parties.

It&#039;s never enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder when government decided they could tax nearly every monetary transaction between parties.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s never enough.</p>
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		<title>By: bleed4philly</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Get em&#039; Obama!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get em&#8217; Obama!</p>
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		<title>By: orcheon</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/03/irs-could-be-interested-in-undeclared-bounty-payments/#comment-1606384</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[orcheon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gambling winnings are only counted as.income above $1199 when that figure or more is.won in one gambling event. Like a slot jackpot since you could win $500 at 4 different blackjack tables in one night and not have it reported as income. Of course you can deduct losses up to the gain.

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http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc419.html

you are required to include ALL gambling winnings, and you can deduct gambling losses if you itemize expenses

under certain circumstances (which are probably what you are referring to), a payer is required to issue a form W-2G and withhold 25% of the winnings for federal income taxes

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw2g.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gambling winnings are only counted as.income above $1199 when that figure or more is.won in one gambling event. Like a slot jackpot since you could win $500 at 4 different blackjack tables in one night and not have it reported as income. Of course you can deduct losses up to the gain.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
<a href="http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc419.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc419.html</a></p>
<p>you are required to include ALL gambling winnings, and you can deduct gambling losses if you itemize expenses</p>
<p>under certain circumstances (which are probably what you are referring to), a payer is required to issue a form W-2G and withhold 25% of the winnings for federal income taxes</p>
<p><a href="http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw2g.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw2g.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: kd75</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mueller10565 

No...RICO cases are for interstate conspiracy to commit crimes violations. Unless owners were funding the bounties for away games and they conspired with counterpart owners in different states on multiple occasions, there is no RICO case. Not even at all.  

But this is something that&#039;s only going to get worse and worse for everybody. 

I make all sorts of crazy bets in my office. We have elevator races for $20 each. I don&#039;t report that as income.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mueller10565 </p>
<p>No&#8230;RICO cases are for interstate conspiracy to commit crimes violations. Unless owners were funding the bounties for away games and they conspired with counterpart owners in different states on multiple occasions, there is no RICO case. Not even at all.  </p>
<p>But this is something that&#8217;s only going to get worse and worse for everybody. </p>
<p>I make all sorts of crazy bets in my office. We have elevator races for $20 each. I don&#8217;t report that as income.</p>
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		<title>By: duanethomas</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So the IRS is going to waste time and resources to go after guys who didnt declare 1,500 on their taxes.  Vilma put up the 10K which wasnt paid, but most of the payouts were under $5ooo. Great.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the IRS is going to waste time and resources to go after guys who didnt declare 1,500 on their taxes.  Vilma put up the 10K which wasnt paid, but most of the payouts were under $5ooo. Great.</p>
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		<title>By: mjkelly77</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[orcheon says:Mar 3, 2012 5:20 PM 

you can take deductions for expenses incurred in an illegal activity or business so long as it has nothing to do with drugs
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I agree. All you have to do is claim it as income and pay the tax. Most smart bookies claim their betting action (or at least a necessary portion of it) as income. That way, no Federal laws are broken.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>orcheon says:Mar 3, 2012 5:20 PM </p>
<p>you can take deductions for expenses incurred in an illegal activity or business so long as it has nothing to do with drugs<br />
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<p>I agree. All you have to do is claim it as income and pay the tax. Most smart bookies claim their betting action (or at least a necessary portion of it) as income. That way, no Federal laws are broken.</p>
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		<title>By: mueller10565</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I’m the prosecutor of a city that the Saints played in over the last 3 years and wanted to make a name for myself, I’m going to be looking at the injury report for those games.  If any of the host city’s players were knocked out of the game, I would subpoena the NFL for the investigation records.  If any money changed hands for that injury, that would be conspiracy to commit felonious assault.  What occurred was outside the rules of the game, and given that a confession has already been released (what a dimwit, did he even consult with an attorney before issuing the statement?) The entire Saint’s organization could be prosecuted.  Players and front office personnel will be tripping over each other trying to make a deal by throwing everyone else under the bus.  If it can be shown that this was done elsewhere with the implicit OK by the owners, you could have Federal conspiracy charges apply under the RICO statute.  If I’m in the NFL and even knew about any bounty for injuries, I’d be getting the best criminal defense attorney I can afford.  Losing draft picks will be the least of the team’s problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I’m the prosecutor of a city that the Saints played in over the last 3 years and wanted to make a name for myself, I’m going to be looking at the injury report for those games.  If any of the host city’s players were knocked out of the game, I would subpoena the NFL for the investigation records.  If any money changed hands for that injury, that would be conspiracy to commit felonious assault.  What occurred was outside the rules of the game, and given that a confession has already been released (what a dimwit, did he even consult with an attorney before issuing the statement?) The entire Saint’s organization could be prosecuted.  Players and front office personnel will be tripping over each other trying to make a deal by throwing everyone else under the bus.  If it can be shown that this was done elsewhere with the implicit OK by the owners, you could have Federal conspiracy charges apply under the RICO statute.  If I’m in the NFL and even knew about any bounty for injuries, I’d be getting the best criminal defense attorney I can afford.  Losing draft picks will be the least of the team’s problems.</p>
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		<title>By: mjkelly77</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Give me a break. The money has already been taxed when it was originally earned. Players may be in violation of illegal gambling, however.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give me a break. The money has already been taxed when it was originally earned. Players may be in violation of illegal gambling, however.</p>
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