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Vikings stadium push will get even more political, soon

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At a time when the Vikings and legislative leaders in Minnesota and the Mayor of Minneapolis have a deal in place to build a new football stadium near the Metrodome, the challenge now becomes selling the plan to the Legislature and the Minneapolis City Council.

But despite a general belief that the people in the Land of 10,000 Lakes aren’t willing to pony up even as little as $10,000 toward building the stadium, the proponents of the project will be mobilizing the masses.  Or, at least, the subset of the masses who want to see the stadium built.

According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Governor Mark Dayton (picture) will lead a rally at the Capitol on Tuesday.  Up to 30,000 union members are expected to attend in support of the jobs that the stadium will bring to the area.  Other events may follow elsewhere in the state.

None of this changes the reality that the Minneapolis charter contains a provision that invites litigation regarding the question of whether the stadium can be funded without a citywide vote.  And no matter how many people ultimately change their minds about building a stadium with public money, it takes only one person to file the lawsuit.

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  1. geohanson says: Mar 4, 2012 10:20 PM

    The Minneapolis city charter is irrelevant to the bill as introduced. The sales tax authority in Minnesota is vested ONLY with the state legislature and any entity the legislature grants taxing authority to. The charter basically is relevant only to any tax implemented by Minneapolis with the permission of the state. That’s not the case with this bill.

    Will a lawsuit still be filed? Likely, but the law in Minnesota is clear enough that an injunction won’t be granted.

  2. gb4mn0 says: Mar 4, 2012 11:01 PM

    geohanson says:
    Mar 4, 2012 10:20 PM
    Will a lawsuit still be filed? Likely, but the law in Minnesota is clear enough that an injunction won’t be granted.

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    If what you’re saying is true then why is Dayton planning all the PR activities?

    He must be fearful of the political fallout for supporting the stadium project.

  3. showthenflwhoisboss says: Mar 4, 2012 11:31 PM

    I realize this comment won’t go over well, but the NFL is systematically draining cities nationwide by forcing the tax payers to subsidize stadiums for private owners. I really hope Minneapolis stands up to this league and tells Ziggy and his crew of thieves to forget about getting their greedy hands on tax payer money. Our education system is going down the drain, our middle class is disappearing, yet people rationalize their tax dollars going to fund stadiums? If you’re a true sports fan, like myself, you will appreciate a ball game no matter what kind of stadium it is played in. For some reason people have become conditioned to overpay for their entertainment. When it takes a doctor, a person who saves lives an entire lifetime to make what an athlete makes in one season, or even a half season, America is out of balance.

  4. txxxchief says: Mar 4, 2012 11:42 PM

    I just have to laugh at all of the self-important minisotans who demand that they have an NFL team but aren’t willing to pay a dime for it.

    Meanwhile, they elect jokers like Al Franken to tell the rest of us how to spend our money and live our lives.

  5. gergie1957 says: Mar 5, 2012 12:09 AM

    Show me where the Metropolitan Stadium or the Metrodome ever lost the State or City money and I’ll come out against it. If I remember right the land the the old Met was built on sold for more then it cost to build the Stadium.

  6. ravenheath21 says: Mar 5, 2012 12:32 AM

    it sounds like the Vikings need a new demographic. Sorry that their history could only produce 4 Superbowl loses som 30 or so years ago. and that really nice year they had Farve. they need to rebuild the economy not a sports team. Timberwolves suck the twins suck do they have a hockey team? im not looking it up this second but if they do they must not be doing well either. just give it up and find another export that the city can generate money. alot of lakes how about fishing or hydroelectric dams or something

  7. nflpasux says: Mar 5, 2012 12:41 AM

    re: “I really hope Minneapolis stands up to this league and tells Ziggy and his crew of thieves to forget about getting their greedy hands on tax payer money. Our education system is going down the drain, our middle class is disappearing, yet people rationalize their tax dollars going to fund stadiums? ”

    There is absolutely no discussion about the NFL vs. education. That is the most bogus b.s. statements that one could make. Education is not on the table —> a football stadium is. Anyway, education is the the perfect example of why socialism failed: the more money that taxpayers spend on education, the worse the results. Corruption in the NEA is major factor, but also just plain ineptitude of school administrators. Again, this has nothing to do with the NFL stadium in downtown Minneapolis.

    What doe have significant impact will be whether or not the remaining political obstacles to the Vikings stadium can be overcome. While education is a bogus issue, there is no such issue when it comes to Los Angeles (with the Rose Bowl vacant for several years pending a new stadium); San Antonio (Alamodome looked pretty attractive hosting Saints games post-Katrina); Toronto’s SkyDome (even supporting the lowly Bills), and London’s Wembley (80,000 expensive seats).

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    re: “If you’re a true sports fan, like myself, you will appreciate a ball game no matter what kind of stadium it is played in. ”

    Bull! If you are a true NFL fan, you will cough up the $$$ to watch the home team play. If you are squawking that Education should be funded before an NFKL stadium, you are not a true sports fan.

  8. mnsadsportsfan says: Mar 5, 2012 12:44 AM

    mark dayton needs to up his meds

  9. showthenflwhoisboss says: Mar 5, 2012 1:06 AM

    Perhaps the most perplexing argument is that building the stadium creates construction jobs and pumps money into the local economy and business’s in proximity to the stadium.
    Br>
    You could draw 10-20 up and coming start up’s to the area, guaranteed to produce profits and create jobs, for the price of one stadium guaranteed to profit no one but the owners.

    Let’s see, use the tax payers money to subsidize and reduce the tax burden for high tech companies or build an archaic coliseum for people who eventually won’t be able to afford tickets?

  10. minnysoda says: Mar 5, 2012 1:17 AM

    Funny how so many times the Unions support something that costs the tax payers money.

  11. tweeter75 says: Mar 5, 2012 1:23 AM

    I’m a Vikings fan, and love my home state of Minnesota! And I love my Vikings! I want a staduim very badly. The Minnesota economy has been going through rough times, so I understand to a point what’s going on in our state right now with the stadium issue….I understand people’s concerns and frustrations. I too don’t believe that we, Minnesotans, living in one of the highest taxing states in the country should have to fund billionaire’s business ventures, or be strong armed or given ultimatums by them. But this is our team….Purple Pride runs very, very deep in our great state, and in my family. We can’t afford to lose them…..the Vikings are to Minnesota what the Yankees are to New Yorkers. Minnesota politics suck…….a prime example of that is the election of Stuart Smalley…aka freak show Al Franken.

    If the Minnesota politicians and Minneapolis city council are worried about their political careers and re-election first and shoot down the stadium proposal, they will have to live with losing a gigantic source of pride and love for Minnesotans.

    So my advice to them would be to vote on your conscience, and do the right thing. Put the politics and agendas aside.

    We love our Vikings and want them here for a very, very long time!!!!

  12. gadgetdawg says: Mar 5, 2012 1:47 AM

    I just have to laugh at all of the self-important minisotans who demand that they have an NFL team but aren’t willing to pay a dime for it.

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    I have to laugh at all those folks who think that a highly successful business like the NFL can not afford to construct their own workplaces like most other companies do. Minnesotans do pay quite a bit for it. They pay at the gate, infrastructure to handle the traffic ect. All for a team that Forbes valued at $774 million.

    Carolina, NE and the Jet/Giants stadiums are all privately financed. The LA group says they are privately financing. I fail to see why the folks in Minn should contribute tax dollars to a division (Vikings) of a company (the NFL) that brings in close to $10 billion a year. Let them pay for it themselves.

  13. thehatefulnerd says: Mar 5, 2012 3:33 AM

    The problem with Vikings fans is that literally, they do not care about their own team. All they care about is HATING the Packers and Packers fans. It’s the strangest thing I’ve ever experienced in my life. Living here in Minneapolis the last few years has been a huge eye opener.
    Of COURSE they won’t support a stadium. But if you raised money to knock down Lambeau Field? LOL. They’d be all over that.

  14. i10east says: Mar 5, 2012 3:40 AM

    Oslo Vikings!!!!

  15. JD Master MInd says: Mar 5, 2012 4:01 AM

    What is the problem idiot’s move to Los Angeles and that’s that. Give Minnesota an ultimatum either put up or shut up.
    Then fire Coach Frazier I think he will be a great coach in the NFL but not with the Vikings, they need a more experienced coach this team sucks period.
    Then trade Adrian Peterson while you can and Jared Allen and go to a 3-4 Defense with Mike Singletary as the defensive coordinator and put a head coach with more experience in like Brian Billick, Dennis Green, someone of that nature.
    Because right now the Vikings are not going anywhere like it or not they suck they need leadership and now face it.

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  16. jenniferxxx says: Mar 5, 2012 6:14 AM

    Why should any sports team … which bears the name of a city … be allowed to leave? There’s a real blur here between private ownership and civic rights. The NFL and the (typically) ‘heirs to fortunes’ that ‘own’ these teams need to be brought under control.

  17. pestilence1972 says: Mar 5, 2012 6:53 AM

    Perhaps in principle it is wrong to subsidize any project. However, this is not a Viking issue alone. The state of Minnesota funds other private business initiatives. I bet we wouldn’t have to look far to find ways that Northwest Airlines, 3M, and General Mills have taken subsidies. It comes with the territory of keeping businesses in any state, doesn’t it?

    And let’s not forget about “the Arts”. That stuff is funded in MASSIVE amounts. You can’t tell me that rich people who own production companies haven’t benefitted from the new Guthrie Theater. Where was the hissy fit over that bill?

    I personally think that we are better off in Minnesota with the Arts and the Vikings. Both provide entertainment despite being subsidized by tax payer dollars. Maybe we should have just lumped the Vikes in with the Arts all along????

  18. dcviking says: Mar 5, 2012 8:06 AM

    thehatefulnerd says: Mar 5, 2012 3:33 AM

    The problem with Vikings fans is that literally, they do not care about their own team. All they care about is HATING the Packers and Packers fans. It’s the strangest thing I’ve ever experienced in my life. Living here in Minneapolis the last few years has been a huge eye opener.
    Of COURSE they won’t support a stadium. But if you raised money to knock down Lambeau Field? LOL. They’d be all over that

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    Only if we could buy stock to finance the deal…

  19. cbt22 says: Mar 5, 2012 8:38 AM

    First off people ragin on Al Franken, do you guys realize he is actually fighting against giant corporations to protect our privacy and basic rights?

    Also do people realize the stadium inst just for the vikings. It will be a STATE OWNED building ran by the City of Minneapolis. That means Ziggy and the Vikes will use it 12 times a year, and then the city gets to pick what else to use it for, IE state football, concerts, and not limited to NCAA basketball regional, also I am sure we will get a couple final fours and a super bowl. If you are a sports fan in Minnesota you should really be all for this because there wont even be any real new state tax just an extension of a tax you didnt even know existed.

  20. abninf says: Mar 5, 2012 9:17 AM

    “Up to 30,000 union members are expected to attend ”

    So it will take 10 years to get it built and will end up doubling in cost.

  21. rubberinnertube says: Mar 5, 2012 9:43 AM

    Can we all agree that Mark Dayton looks like Millhouse VanHouten when Millhouse takes his glasses off???

  22. vikingdoode says: Mar 5, 2012 10:14 AM

    I have come to the conclusion that if Mr. Wilf had the money he would have bought the land from the feds in Arden Hills. Settling with public funding and staying in Minneapolis says it all this group has no serious dough like the Kraft family. The Wilf’s in the beginning were minority /silent partners when Reggie Fowler showed his card and had no money. Shows they were limited too. Wish we could sell fake stock!

  23. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Mar 5, 2012 12:12 PM

    cbt22 says:
    Mar 5, 2012 8:38 AM
    First off people ragin on Al Franken, do you guys realize he is actually fighting against giant corporations to protect our privacy and basic rights?

    Also do people realize the stadium inst just for the vikings. It will be a STATE OWNED building ran by the City of Minneapolis. That means Ziggy and the Vikes will use it 12 times a year, and then the city gets to pick what else to use it for, IE state football, concerts, and not limited to NCAA basketball regional, also I am sure we will get a couple final fours and a super bowl. If you are a sports fan in Minnesota you should really be all for this because there wont even be any real new state tax just an extension of a tax you didnt even know existed.
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    Please stick to one point per post so I can be consistent with my thumbs up/thumbs down. Great point in the second paragraph but I had to thumbs down you for supporting Franken.

  24. robertjamis says: Mar 5, 2012 1:33 PM

    The idea that this creates jobs is laughable. Because we assume that without stadium creation, that money would be stagnant in a vault somewhere. That it wouldn’t be allocated by free choice throughout the regular economy and create jobs. People would instead bury it in their backyard.

    That stadium money is money which is taken out of the regular economy and directed to a privileged billionaire completely capable of paying for it himself. It’s directed resource allocation by force of government. It would not cease to exist because the stadium wasn’t built. If instead of paying further taxes to service state debt, the people of Minnesota could keep that money in their pockets and either save it or spend it- that would create jobs too- without prejudice bought by privilege and threats.

    I’m willing to bet Minnesota doesn’t have the money to do this, so they’re going to bond it. That bond will become more and more expensive over time. It will probably force Minnesota to raise taxes, which rarely results in job creation or capital investment by the private sector of any kind. By the time it’s close to being paid off(in theory anyway), the Vikings will be demanding a new publicly funded stadium, touting its economic benefits. The owner will be more wealthy. The taxpayers will be more burdened.

    Even if Minnesota DOES have the money to do this, shouldn’t that money be allocated for infrastructure, education, or something that is, you know, a legitimate service government is supposed to provide people with? If government budget shortfalls continue nationwide, is it fair to ask upper middle class taxpayers to contribute “a little bit more” when we’re giving handouts to billionaires?

    People who support stadiums often resort to zero sum economics. “It’s this or nothing.”Think beyond stage one.

  25. theytukrjobs says: Mar 5, 2012 1:53 PM

    Far to many people assume that this stadium isn’t good for the city or state just because the Vikings want it. After all, how could two parties possibly mutually benefit from a partnership. Nowadays everyone thinks that the world is split up by greedy businessmen vs victims they steal money from. And most of the people that see things that way think they’re really smart and with it.

    This is a state owned facility that the Vikings are paying over 50% of the costs on for the right to use 10 times a year. It is the 3rd largest private contribution to a state owned NFL facility, despite Minnesota being a relatively small market by NFL standards. And it is being built amidst a budget surplus and historically low interest rates.

    Instead of everyone pissing and moaning about this maybe it is time to take a step back and realize that this is a great deal compared to what other states have generally pulled off and some great timing to boot. The only thing I’m pissed about is that we as a state spent a ton of money on a Gophers stadium that has not even remotely the same payback when they could have just continued to play with the Vikes. But in that case everyone thought it was a good deal because nobody in the private sector was profitting from it. Only now is the foolishness of that stadium so clear.

    (And don’t give me the TCF Bank stadium is awesome argument because seriously if it was worth it we’d see a full stadium and more wins)

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