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	<title>Comments on: Williams, Payton, Loomis, players all may face long suspensions</title>
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		<title>By: canjura</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 16:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@rjg: he&#039;s been known for doing this for years? really? I didn&#039;t know about it till last Friday. I dont think you knew about it either. I guess 4 days is years in hater years?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rjg: he&#8217;s been known for doing this for years? really? I didn&#8217;t know about it till last Friday. I dont think you knew about it either. I guess 4 days is years in hater years?</p>
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		<title>By: rjg427</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;and of course my Rams continue to get owned. I don’t think it’s fairs to the Rams to suspend Williams for a season or longer. I think if the league wants to lay a punishment on the entire Rams organization by suspending Williams, they should enforce it next season, not this season. If the league would have said word of this a month or two ago, there’s no way the Rams hire Williams. And now, the pool of potential D-Coordinators is so thin that the Rams might as well not have a D-Coordinator. Yeah, I know its a homer opinion, but it’s a completely honest and valid one. League didn’t need to tell every team in the league about their investigation, but they owed it them to tell them that anyone who hires Gregg Williams would face losing him for 8 games, if not longer.&quot;

and how do you definitely know that they werent warned, and it serves the Rams right for hiring him in the first place..He&#039;s been known for doing this for years..but dont fret, Fisher did the same thing HOU/TEN as well with bounties..

&quot;You want to go to bed with dogs, be prepared to wake up with fleas&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and of course my Rams continue to get owned. I don’t think it’s fairs to the Rams to suspend Williams for a season or longer. I think if the league wants to lay a punishment on the entire Rams organization by suspending Williams, they should enforce it next season, not this season. If the league would have said word of this a month or two ago, there’s no way the Rams hire Williams. And now, the pool of potential D-Coordinators is so thin that the Rams might as well not have a D-Coordinator. Yeah, I know its a homer opinion, but it’s a completely honest and valid one. League didn’t need to tell every team in the league about their investigation, but they owed it them to tell them that anyone who hires Gregg Williams would face losing him for 8 games, if not longer.&#8221;</p>
<p>and how do you definitely know that they werent warned, and it serves the Rams right for hiring him in the first place..He&#8217;s been known for doing this for years..but dont fret, Fisher did the same thing HOU/TEN as well with bounties..</p>
<p>&#8220;You want to go to bed with dogs, be prepared to wake up with fleas&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: canjura</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and of course my Rams continue to get owned. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fairs to the Rams to suspend Williams for a season or longer. I think if the league wants to lay a punishment on the entire Rams organization by suspending Williams, they should enforce it next season, not this season. If the league would have said word of this a month or two ago, there&#039;s no way the Rams hire Williams. And now, the pool of potential D-Coordinators is so thin that the Rams might as well not have a D-Coordinator. Yeah, I know its a homer opinion, but it&#039;s a completely honest and valid one. League didn&#039;t need to tell every team in the league about their investigation, but they owed it them to tell them that anyone who hires Gregg Williams would face losing him for 8 games, if not longer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and of course my Rams continue to get owned. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fairs to the Rams to suspend Williams for a season or longer. I think if the league wants to lay a punishment on the entire Rams organization by suspending Williams, they should enforce it next season, not this season. If the league would have said word of this a month or two ago, there&#8217;s no way the Rams hire Williams. And now, the pool of potential D-Coordinators is so thin that the Rams might as well not have a D-Coordinator. Yeah, I know its a homer opinion, but it&#8217;s a completely honest and valid one. League didn&#8217;t need to tell every team in the league about their investigation, but they owed it them to tell them that anyone who hires Gregg Williams would face losing him for 8 games, if not longer.</p>
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		<title>By: djjasonpaul</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They should suspend or ban Loomis, fine Payton and ban Williams. Sean Payton was a hands on O coach, nothing to do with the D so I don&#039;t think they should suspend him. I would also fine/suspend Vilma for being the head of it on the D and also fine some of the players. I can&#039;t see suspending players over this matter since so many OTHER TEAMS DO IT TOO. Are they going to investigate all of them? Bills, Skins, Pats, Steelers (you know the most fined player gets paid bounties), etc...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should suspend or ban Loomis, fine Payton and ban Williams. Sean Payton was a hands on O coach, nothing to do with the D so I don&#8217;t think they should suspend him. I would also fine/suspend Vilma for being the head of it on the D and also fine some of the players. I can&#8217;t see suspending players over this matter since so many OTHER TEAMS DO IT TOO. Are they going to investigate all of them? Bills, Skins, Pats, Steelers (you know the most fined player gets paid bounties), etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nebster21</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is the difference between offering them a huge contract at the end of the year or paying them on the spot.  Sure the IRS cannot keep track of those payments but if you do not think that players get paid under the table you have alot of thinking to do.  The Midgets are big into doing this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the difference between offering them a huge contract at the end of the year or paying them on the spot.  Sure the IRS cannot keep track of those payments but if you do not think that players get paid under the table you have alot of thinking to do.  The Midgets are big into doing this.</p>
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		<title>By: jgava19</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The league addressed this with the Saints a few years ago. That&#039;s why they are going to be punished severely. The Saints assured the NFL that this wasn&#039;t going to happen going forward.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The league addressed this with the Saints a few years ago. That&#8217;s why they are going to be punished severely. The Saints assured the NFL that this wasn&#8217;t going to happen going forward.</p>
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		<title>By: broncobeta</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;After the Spygate scandal, Goodell stripped the Patriots of a first-round pick, fined Bill Belichick $500,000 and fined the Patriots $250,000.&quot;

I thought that was not nearly enough, seeing how they had two first round picks that year and their later one was stripped.

The $500k for Belichick was a lot, I&#039;ll admit that. However, $250k for an NFL Franchise is chump change.

The Saints will get the wood laid a lot harder because of two main reasons.

1) They&#039;re not the Patriots, Robert Kraft has Goodell by the balls.

2) Safety will be Goodell&#039;s legacy whether the fans like it or not. This is a marquee moment for Goodell&#039;s pet project.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;After the Spygate scandal, Goodell stripped the Patriots of a first-round pick, fined Bill Belichick $500,000 and fined the Patriots $250,000.&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought that was not nearly enough, seeing how they had two first round picks that year and their later one was stripped.</p>
<p>The $500k for Belichick was a lot, I&#8217;ll admit that. However, $250k for an NFL Franchise is chump change.</p>
<p>The Saints will get the wood laid a lot harder because of two main reasons.</p>
<p>1) They&#8217;re not the Patriots, Robert Kraft has Goodell by the balls.</p>
<p>2) Safety will be Goodell&#8217;s legacy whether the fans like it or not. This is a marquee moment for Goodell&#8217;s pet project.</p>
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		<title>By: ehatem</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The competition committee deals with reviewing rules on the field.  It has zero to do with NFL Security investigations.  I think the fact that Williams has been doing this crap for two decades tends to prove that if the competition committee actually WAS responsible for these investigations there would have been nothing illegal found.  

As an aside, if I was a Titan&#039;s fan, I&#039;d be nervous.  If Fisher knew what Williams was doing and the NFL can prove it, you guys are in deep too.  Bet the Dolphins are happy they lost the Fisher sweepstakes about now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The competition committee deals with reviewing rules on the field.  It has zero to do with NFL Security investigations.  I think the fact that Williams has been doing this crap for two decades tends to prove that if the competition committee actually WAS responsible for these investigations there would have been nothing illegal found.  </p>
<p>As an aside, if I was a Titan&#8217;s fan, I&#8217;d be nervous.  If Fisher knew what Williams was doing and the NFL can prove it, you guys are in deep too.  Bet the Dolphins are happy they lost the Fisher sweepstakes about now.</p>
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		<title>By: gorilladik81</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And these guys complain that the nfl does not care about their safety, when across the league this stuff is happening trying to injure other players, these uneducated douches need to shut their throats and get paid to play a GAME, and to all the patriot haters its ok it&#039;s just years of frustration of your team sucking that&#039;s talking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And these guys complain that the nfl does not care about their safety, when across the league this stuff is happening trying to injure other players, these uneducated douches need to shut their throats and get paid to play a GAME, and to all the patriot haters its ok it&#8217;s just years of frustration of your team sucking that&#8217;s talking.</p>
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		<title>By: rjg427</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now it all adds up...Im wondering how much Jimmy Graham got paid to knock his own coach out last season...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now it all adds up&#8230;Im wondering how much Jimmy Graham got paid to knock his own coach out last season&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: phillyforlife</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tommyf15
But if the NFL mandates that the teams coerce coaches into signing a standardized contract with coaches, that reads like an anti-trust violation to me.

This is why I don’t expect long suspensions for anyone involved- the coaches will accept something reasonable as opposed to fighting the NFL, while the NFL won’t go nuclear on these guys in order to stay out of court.
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No one has to sign a contract they dont agree with, there for by signing it you And your lawer/agent agree with the terms. Now you have to pay the price for violating it. Now live with it. Peyton knew what was happening he aloud it so he is just as guilty as Williams , and if he did not know then he should be fired for not having  control or knowledge of what was happening in his locker room.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tommyf15<br />
But if the NFL mandates that the teams coerce coaches into signing a standardized contract with coaches, that reads like an anti-trust violation to me.</p>
<p>This is why I don’t expect long suspensions for anyone involved- the coaches will accept something reasonable as opposed to fighting the NFL, while the NFL won’t go nuclear on these guys in order to stay out of court.<br />
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<p>No one has to sign a contract they dont agree with, there for by signing it you And your lawer/agent agree with the terms. Now you have to pay the price for violating it. Now live with it. Peyton knew what was happening he aloud it so he is just as guilty as Williams , and if he did not know then he should be fired for not having  control or knowledge of what was happening in his locker room.</p>
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		<title>By: blackqbwhiterb</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Williams will get a fine, and that&#039;s about all. It&#039;s swept under the rug after that. Once the next hot NFL news story breaks, this too shall pass...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Williams will get a fine, and that&#8217;s about all. It&#8217;s swept under the rug after that. Once the next hot NFL news story breaks, this too shall pass&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: waxedagain</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Was Fisher really unaware of the controversy surrounding Williams when he hired him for Rams&#039; DC ? The NFL investigation was ongoing for 2 years, and Fisher is an insider on the Competition Committee. The Rams new owner must be furious over how foolish this makes the franchise look in vetting its coaches.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was Fisher really unaware of the controversy surrounding Williams when he hired him for Rams&#8217; DC ? The NFL investigation was ongoing for 2 years, and Fisher is an insider on the Competition Committee. The Rams new owner must be furious over how foolish this makes the franchise look in vetting its coaches.</p>
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		<title>By: waxedagain</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whenever the NFL uncovers some sort of systemic unethical behavior, the immediate defense is &#039;everybody is doing it&#039;. But how was this Williams &#039;bounty&#039; system covered up for almost 10 years across three teams?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever the NFL uncovers some sort of systemic unethical behavior, the immediate defense is &#8216;everybody is doing it&#8217;. But how was this Williams &#8216;bounty&#8217; system covered up for almost 10 years across three teams?</p>
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		<title>By: whatevnfl</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 07:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no doubt this goes on in locker rooms all over the NFL....I more wonder how many coaches actually participate....that&#039;s where I think this case might be different. If players are putting in their own money and working out their own incentives....yah yah it breaks the rules and all that...and some coaches of course have to be aware and figure its all part of the game...whatev. But I wonder how many coaches actually participate, as in pay out of pocket themselves...i tend to think that wouldn&#039;t be the norm, but who knows. it&#039;s one thing to be play tough and physical, but it seems pretty jerk-like to cheer and pay money for watching some guy get carted off the field. the jets dude got fired for tripping someone who merely fell down, paying players money to hurt a player bad enough to knock him out of the game? That just feels so dirty and wrong. But then those same people probably kneel down and act like they are praying when they fear someone is really hurt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no doubt this goes on in locker rooms all over the NFL&#8230;.I more wonder how many coaches actually participate&#8230;.that&#8217;s where I think this case might be different. If players are putting in their own money and working out their own incentives&#8230;.yah yah it breaks the rules and all that&#8230;and some coaches of course have to be aware and figure its all part of the game&#8230;whatev. But I wonder how many coaches actually participate, as in pay out of pocket themselves&#8230;i tend to think that wouldn&#8217;t be the norm, but who knows. it&#8217;s one thing to be play tough and physical, but it seems pretty jerk-like to cheer and pay money for watching some guy get carted off the field. the jets dude got fired for tripping someone who merely fell down, paying players money to hurt a player bad enough to knock him out of the game? That just feels so dirty and wrong. But then those same people probably kneel down and act like they are praying when they fear someone is really hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Tadd</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 07:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bar None says:
Mar 4, 2012 7:58 PM

&quot;People are acting like is something new. Reggie White got in trouble (just a verbal warning) for offering money for every sack, TFL, or INT a player got. Bounties in the NFL are as shocking as steroids were in baseball. It’s wrong, but it isn’t like it kept us from watching.&quot;

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So paying a guy for a big play is the same as paying a guy to injure a guy, and risk ending his career?

Sorry dude your comparison really sucks. Reggie was not paying people to headhunt, he was paying guys to do their jobs and make big plays. The league had no reason to suspend him or do anything more than a verbal warning because what he was doing is no different than friendly bets to perform, whereas this whole saints thing is paying people to hurt other people, which sounds a lot more like organized crime. 

Goodell should ban Williams for life, and give the HC and GM of the Saints and players involved 1 year suspensions without pay, and strip the Saints of a first round pick if not two. Because the league is pushing safety and this flies directly in the face of it, and frankly the best way to stop it is to make it too costly for other teams and players in the future to even consider doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bar None says:<br />
Mar 4, 2012 7:58 PM</p>
<p>&#8220;People are acting like is something new. Reggie White got in trouble (just a verbal warning) for offering money for every sack, TFL, or INT a player got. Bounties in the NFL are as shocking as steroids were in baseball. It’s wrong, but it isn’t like it kept us from watching.&#8221;</p>
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<p>So paying a guy for a big play is the same as paying a guy to injure a guy, and risk ending his career?</p>
<p>Sorry dude your comparison really sucks. Reggie was not paying people to headhunt, he was paying guys to do their jobs and make big plays. The league had no reason to suspend him or do anything more than a verbal warning because what he was doing is no different than friendly bets to perform, whereas this whole saints thing is paying people to hurt other people, which sounds a lot more like organized crime. </p>
<p>Goodell should ban Williams for life, and give the HC and GM of the Saints and players involved 1 year suspensions without pay, and strip the Saints of a first round pick if not two. Because the league is pushing safety and this flies directly in the face of it, and frankly the best way to stop it is to make it too costly for other teams and players in the future to even consider doing.</p>
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		<title>By: boothlustig</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 07:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[who were the officials in the Jan 2010 NFC Title game?  Favre was getting some pretty good shots to the lower leg. Not much referee love.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who were the officials in the Jan 2010 NFC Title game?  Favre was getting some pretty good shots to the lower leg. Not much referee love.</p>
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		<title>By: goawayeverybody</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 06:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It just goes to show that Goddell loves some teams and openly hates others.  The fact that Belichick was not supended although he was THE ONE intiating the cheating is absurd.  But Payton will be supsended for half a season even though he wasn&#039;t the one who initiated the program.

This is rank hypocrisy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just goes to show that Goddell loves some teams and openly hates others.  The fact that Belichick was not supended although he was THE ONE intiating the cheating is absurd.  But Payton will be supsended for half a season even though he wasn&#8217;t the one who initiated the program.</p>
<p>This is rank hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: grannyvi4</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 06:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ilovefoolsball says:Mar 4, 2012 10:09 PM 

It’s so funny reading all of your self righteous responses and also hearing all of you offer your view on what the penalties should be, even though no one gives two farts about what your opinion is.
 
The only reason you all are acting like you hate this so much is because the Saints were successful and many of you simply hate the team and the city.
 
If this were the Cleveland Browns doing this I doubt so many of you would be so passionate.
 
It’s…cute.
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Um, no.  I actually liked the Saints until we played them in the NFCCG and saw how dirty their defense played.  My respect for the Saints spiraled downward after that, and it wasn&#039;t because we lost to them.  But when Vikings fans complained at the time we were called whiny losers or worse.  Glad to know this is finally coming to light.  The Saints have basked in the glow of a nationwide &quot;Cinderella&quot; story since Katrina, but the fairy tale is about to end...and deservedly so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ilovefoolsball says:Mar 4, 2012 10:09 PM </p>
<p>It’s so funny reading all of your self righteous responses and also hearing all of you offer your view on what the penalties should be, even though no one gives two farts about what your opinion is.</p>
<p>The only reason you all are acting like you hate this so much is because the Saints were successful and many of you simply hate the team and the city.</p>
<p>If this were the Cleveland Browns doing this I doubt so many of you would be so passionate.</p>
<p>It’s…cute.<br />
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Um, no.  I actually liked the Saints until we played them in the NFCCG and saw how dirty their defense played.  My respect for the Saints spiraled downward after that, and it wasn&#8217;t because we lost to them.  But when Vikings fans complained at the time we were called whiny losers or worse.  Glad to know this is finally coming to light.  The Saints have basked in the glow of a nationwide &#8220;Cinderella&#8221; story since Katrina, but the fairy tale is about to end&#8230;and deservedly so.</p>
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		<title>By: granadafan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 05:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;loytomaki says: Mar 4, 2012 11:50 PM
The thing that burns me the most, is that by suspending Williams (which HAS to happen IMO) you end up hurting the Rams more than the Saints.&quot;
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Yeah, it does stink that the Rams suffer for this, but Williams is the lead figure in this scandal and he cannot be rewarded for his illegal and completely unethical coaching by suffering no penalty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;loytomaki says: Mar 4, 2012 11:50 PM<br />
The thing that burns me the most, is that by suspending Williams (which HAS to happen IMO) you end up hurting the Rams more than the Saints.&#8221;<br />
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<p>Yeah, it does stink that the Rams suffer for this, but Williams is the lead figure in this scandal and he cannot be rewarded for his illegal and completely unethical coaching by suffering no penalty.</p>
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		<title>By: 2dat</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 05:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Suspend them all and we will still win the conference and play in the Super Bowl ! The organization is deep with talent and as long as #9 in under center, we are perfectly fine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suspend them all and we will still win the conference and play in the Super Bowl ! The organization is deep with talent and as long as #9 in under center, we are perfectly fine.</p>
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		<title>By: ehatem</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 05:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To all those who are screaming, &quot;Review the tape on all those cheap hits&quot; seem to be forgetting the fact that the NFL already does that.  Hence them handing out fines for illegal hits.  The McCray hit was NOT illegal.  Brutal?  Yes.  Illegal?  No.  The Favre hit was and I&#039;m sure those players will pay the price.  As will Roman Harper who got fined several times this year for late and/or illegal hits because its going to be an impossible defense for him especially if they can follow the money trail.  If they accepted money for a hit deemed to be illegal, they&#039;re screwed.  

As to the circumventing the salary cap issue, even if the money is only coming from the players, its a rules violation.  I&#039;ve seen the wording of the exact bylaw and its crystal clear on that point.  Its part of the bounty rule that all of this got started by in the first place.  So yeah, even without the fact that Williams threw in his own money from time to time the Saints are guilty of a cap violation.  Even though the number is small in comparison to say what the 49ers were doing, its a black and white rule.  You don&#039;t get it lessened by the fact that we&#039;re talking about 100 grand total over the years for all the hits and fumbles and such combined.

All this from a Saints fan.  I&#039;m kind of passed the whole &quot;Everybody does it the only thing we did wrong was get caught&quot; point.  Its actually the truth in that statement that is the reason why the Saints are about to be nuked back to the stone ages.  Goodell is going to send the league a message.  This ends, now.  Or else.  

Ah well, it was fun while it lasted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all those who are screaming, &#8220;Review the tape on all those cheap hits&#8221; seem to be forgetting the fact that the NFL already does that.  Hence them handing out fines for illegal hits.  The McCray hit was NOT illegal.  Brutal?  Yes.  Illegal?  No.  The Favre hit was and I&#8217;m sure those players will pay the price.  As will Roman Harper who got fined several times this year for late and/or illegal hits because its going to be an impossible defense for him especially if they can follow the money trail.  If they accepted money for a hit deemed to be illegal, they&#8217;re screwed.  </p>
<p>As to the circumventing the salary cap issue, even if the money is only coming from the players, its a rules violation.  I&#8217;ve seen the wording of the exact bylaw and its crystal clear on that point.  Its part of the bounty rule that all of this got started by in the first place.  So yeah, even without the fact that Williams threw in his own money from time to time the Saints are guilty of a cap violation.  Even though the number is small in comparison to say what the 49ers were doing, its a black and white rule.  You don&#8217;t get it lessened by the fact that we&#8217;re talking about 100 grand total over the years for all the hits and fumbles and such combined.</p>
<p>All this from a Saints fan.  I&#8217;m kind of passed the whole &#8220;Everybody does it the only thing we did wrong was get caught&#8221; point.  Its actually the truth in that statement that is the reason why the Saints are about to be nuked back to the stone ages.  Goodell is going to send the league a message.  This ends, now.  Or else.  </p>
<p>Ah well, it was fun while it lasted.</p>
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		<title>By: coachglove</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 05:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can a league fine be an anti-trust violation?  You aren&#039;t clear on what creates collusion.  Having a self-policing regulatory body overseeing individual franchises is perfectly legal.  The NASD regulates securities firms and it is paid for and run by broker-dealers.  It can discipline individual brokers and firms.  Collusion would come if the team owners were getting together to talk about punishments, etc.  The coach signs a contract with one team and is overseen by a self-policing regulatory body called the NFL.  No anti-trust.  Nice try.  The league has every right to ban/fine/suspend a coach for almost any offense as long as it does so consistently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can a league fine be an anti-trust violation?  You aren&#8217;t clear on what creates collusion.  Having a self-policing regulatory body overseeing individual franchises is perfectly legal.  The NASD regulates securities firms and it is paid for and run by broker-dealers.  It can discipline individual brokers and firms.  Collusion would come if the team owners were getting together to talk about punishments, etc.  The coach signs a contract with one team and is overseen by a self-policing regulatory body called the NFL.  No anti-trust.  Nice try.  The league has every right to ban/fine/suspend a coach for almost any offense as long as it does so consistently.</p>
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		<title>By: loytomaki</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 04:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The thing that burns me the most, is that by suspending Williams (which HAS to happen IMO) you end up hurting the Rams more than the Saints.  I am sure the Saints will be hurt as well, by suspending the coach, and the GM, and some players, but the Rams are going to be without a DC going into the draft.

I would like to see them strip the Saints of the franchise tag for a couple seasons as well.  It would likely cost them a lot more to keep Brees, which is fitting considering that they were offering bounties for activities that could have cost other teams franchise QBs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that burns me the most, is that by suspending Williams (which HAS to happen IMO) you end up hurting the Rams more than the Saints.  I am sure the Saints will be hurt as well, by suspending the coach, and the GM, and some players, but the Rams are going to be without a DC going into the draft.</p>
<p>I would like to see them strip the Saints of the franchise tag for a couple seasons as well.  It would likely cost them a lot more to keep Brees, which is fitting considering that they were offering bounties for activities that could have cost other teams franchise QBs.</p>
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		<title>By: whatevnfl</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 04:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure a lot goes on under the radar in pro football. But it&#039;s sort of interesting looking back that Sean Payton thought there was supposed to be a &quot;gentleman&#039;s agreement&quot; in place for Gregg Williams&#039;s defense to not go hard against the opposing team in preseason. Since Jim Harbaugh never called to arrange this &quot;gentleman&#039;s agreement,&quot; the Saints came out blitzing.  Later Harbaugh sounded genuinely perplexed, not upset by the blitzing or that a team would play so aggressively in preseason, but that he was supposed to have an arrangement in place. He said he asked his brother who also said he had no idea that was supposed to be arranged. Did some teams know they were supposed to call Payton &amp; the Saints to tell Gregg Williams to take it easy in preseason and they would as well?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure a lot goes on under the radar in pro football. But it&#8217;s sort of interesting looking back that Sean Payton thought there was supposed to be a &#8220;gentleman&#8217;s agreement&#8221; in place for Gregg Williams&#8217;s defense to not go hard against the opposing team in preseason. Since Jim Harbaugh never called to arrange this &#8220;gentleman&#8217;s agreement,&#8221; the Saints came out blitzing.  Later Harbaugh sounded genuinely perplexed, not upset by the blitzing or that a team would play so aggressively in preseason, but that he was supposed to have an arrangement in place. He said he asked his brother who also said he had no idea that was supposed to be arranged. Did some teams know they were supposed to call Payton &amp; the Saints to tell Gregg Williams to take it easy in preseason and they would as well?</p>
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		<title>By: marcinhouston</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 04:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t suspend young players on their rookie contracts who merely failed to blow the whistle on their defensive coordinator and team veterans for something that had been done for years by other teams and never drawn attention. How would you feel if one day you got fired from your job because it came to light that in your first year you saw your boss exceeding the speed limit on a business trip and did not say anything?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t suspend young players on their rookie contracts who merely failed to blow the whistle on their defensive coordinator and team veterans for something that had been done for years by other teams and never drawn attention. How would you feel if one day you got fired from your job because it came to light that in your first year you saw your boss exceeding the speed limit on a business trip and did not say anything?</p>
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		<title>By: tomtravis76</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 04:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, if a RB or QB tells the O-line before the season or any game, that if he makes the Pro Bowl or has a big game, then the O-line will in return get a gift for that achievement, that is an incentive. And  if one of those O linemen is so motivated that he injures D players, should the QB or RB be held accountable?

Yes, trying to end someones career intentionally is wrong, but isn&#039;t winning at all costs the game of Pro sports? Winning equals money and power.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if a RB or QB tells the O-line before the season or any game, that if he makes the Pro Bowl or has a big game, then the O-line will in return get a gift for that achievement, that is an incentive. And  if one of those O linemen is so motivated that he injures D players, should the QB or RB be held accountable?</p>
<p>Yes, trying to end someones career intentionally is wrong, but isn&#8217;t winning at all costs the game of Pro sports? Winning equals money and power.</p>
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		<title>By: botully</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 04:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[fground says:
Mar 4, 2012 9:38 PM
They won a Super Bowl in large part by injuring their opponents QB. Now it is known it was part of a planned illegal strategy.

They should be stripped of their title and it should be awarded to Indy.
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They PLAYED in a Super Bowl &quot;in large part by injuring their opponents QB&quot;. Of course 12 men in the huddle doesn&#039;t help.

Indy lost. IF I were a fan or player on that team I would not want such a &quot;championship&quot;. It would mean less than nothing. 

No game results will be overturned, to suggest it is just silly. Fines and suspensions, lost draft picks. The only thing to quibble about is how much and how many and who. Hitting players is problematic as some may not even be in the league anymore or play on different teams, which makes punishments unequal for equal offenses. Besides, proven intent to injure in football is impossible unless blatant. 
 I think the coaches and management involved will, rightfully so, take the hit for this disgraceful practice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fground says:<br />
Mar 4, 2012 9:38 PM<br />
They won a Super Bowl in large part by injuring their opponents QB. Now it is known it was part of a planned illegal strategy.</p>
<p>They should be stripped of their title and it should be awarded to Indy.<br />
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<p>They PLAYED in a Super Bowl &#8220;in large part by injuring their opponents QB&#8221;. Of course 12 men in the huddle doesn&#8217;t help.</p>
<p>Indy lost. IF I were a fan or player on that team I would not want such a &#8220;championship&#8221;. It would mean less than nothing. </p>
<p>No game results will be overturned, to suggest it is just silly. Fines and suspensions, lost draft picks. The only thing to quibble about is how much and how many and who. Hitting players is problematic as some may not even be in the league anymore or play on different teams, which makes punishments unequal for equal offenses. Besides, proven intent to injure in football is impossible unless blatant.<br />
 I think the coaches and management involved will, rightfully so, take the hit for this disgraceful practice.</p>
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		<title>By: tatum064</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 04:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[packerswambulance says:
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How about awarding their draft picks to the Cardinals and Vikings for altering the course of NFL history by cheating.

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Like you didnt have refs in your back pocket in the NFC Championship....and you still got DISCOUNT DOUBLE CHECKED out. GTFO ...you guys had a bounty on Jerry Rice back in the 90s. The Saints just got caught.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>packerswambulance says:<br />
Mar 4, 2012 7:25 PM<br />
How about awarding their draft picks to the Cardinals and Vikings for altering the course of NFL history by cheating.</p>
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<p>Like you didnt have refs in your back pocket in the NFC Championship&#8230;.and you still got DISCOUNT DOUBLE CHECKED out. GTFO &#8230;you guys had a bounty on Jerry Rice back in the 90s. The Saints just got caught.</p>
<p>&#8220;We fly high&#8221;<br />
-N.Y.Giants</p>
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		<title>By: gotampabay52</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 03:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[screw the saints. williams ban from football new orlean what is worst katrina or your team cheats and are scumbags of the league. redcross helped ya hope the league dosent move the saint to LA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>screw the saints. williams ban from football new orlean what is worst katrina or your team cheats and are scumbags of the league. redcross helped ya hope the league dosent move the saint to LA</p>
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