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Rams “90 percent” certain to trade No. 2 pick

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Many think it’s a given that the Rams will trade the second overall pick in the 2012 draft.  G.M. Les Snead says it’s not.

But it’s close.

Snead told PFT Live on Monday that the team is “90 percent” sure to trade out of the No. 2 spot.

Teams have called, but the Rams aren’t talking about who has talked to them about talking turkey on a trade.  Snead wouldn’t rule out the possibility of trading the pick in the division, although he acknowledged that a premium would be required to get the Rams to ship the second selection to a team like the Seahawks or Cardinals.

Snead also said that the Rams talk on a daily basis about the timing for pulling the trigger on the trade.  We (or at least I) continue to think that it makes sense to wait for some of the big-name veterans to join new teams, which will put extra pressure on the teams that haven’t addressed their needs.

Other candidates to possibly make the move include the Browns, Redskins, and Dolphins.

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48 Responses to “Rams “90 percent” certain to trade No. 2 pick”
  1. bigjdve says: Mar 5, 2012 1:34 PM

    Hey Jeff,

    Your about to have a big enough problem without potentially making a huge mistake in the draft. If you draft RGIII what do you do with all that money you still owe Sam?

    If you don’t trade, you give the Vikings alot of leverage.

    Use what you have while you can, do play around so much that you lose out.

  2. karlpilkington says: Mar 5, 2012 1:35 PM

    skins…..book it…

  3. plum13sec says: Mar 5, 2012 1:36 PM

    driving up the price

  4. eaglesw00t says: Mar 5, 2012 1:36 PM

    Snead…do you really need to throw bait out?

    We all know youre fishing.

  5. thetruth845 says: Mar 5, 2012 1:37 PM

    Dolphins wont trade with the Rams. Those crybabies are still pissed Fisher didn’t pick them.

  6. trollhammer20 says: Mar 5, 2012 1:38 PM

    So, let’s say the Browns go and get Flynn, and Manning winds up in Miami….suddenly the only team in the top ten of the draft that’s a potential trading partner is Washington.

    What is Washington’s motivation to offer a boatload of picks to move up? They won’t have to outbid Miami or Cleveland, and they have better-positioned draft picks than what Seattle or other QB-needy teams have to offer. The Rams would be very likely to get Blackmon or Kalil if they trade with Washington or Cleveland, which would allow them to get the #1 player at two major positions of need for them; if they trade out of the top 10, no way do they get either one of those guys.

    Rams should pull the trigger sooner than later, or free-agent signings may cause there to be less competition to move up, and cause some teams to lower their bids accordingly.

  7. baddegg says: Mar 5, 2012 1:38 PM

    So you’re saying the Rams will trade the # 2 pick?

  8. channingtaintum says: Mar 5, 2012 1:39 PM

    …and i’m 90% certain the Rams won’t get the out-of-this-world offer they’re hoping for.

  9. suhnami says: Mar 5, 2012 1:39 PM

    “We (or at least I) continue to think that it makes sense to wait for some of the big-name veterans to join new teams, which will put extra pressure on the teams that haven’t addressed their needs.”

    Or completely backfire….if there are say 3 teams in serious contention for the #2 pick, and 2 of those teams acquire a QB in free agency, the Rams have just lost ALL leverage in negotations to try and work the best deal in their favor having limited themselves on only 1 potential trade partner.

    The most leverage they have is NOW when they have multiple teams in conversation…the more teams conversing and negotiating the more pressure is put on teams to “up the ante” which directly favors the Rams…the lesser competition and fewer teams involved in trade negotiating the less leverage the Rams have.

  10. realitypolice says: Mar 5, 2012 1:42 PM

    No matter what the other team gives up, you can’t trade the pick within the division. No way.

  11. suhnami says: Mar 5, 2012 1:42 PM

    “We (or at least I) continue to think that it makes sense to wait for some of the big-name veterans to join new teams, which will put extra pressure on the teams that haven’t addressed their needs.”

    Or completely backfire….if there are say 3 teams in serious contention for the #2 pick, and 2 of those teams acquire a QB in free agency, the Rams have just lost ALL leverage in negotations to try and work the best deal in their favor having limited themselves on only 1 potential trade partner.

    The most leverage they have is NOW when they have multiple teams in conversation…the more teams conversing and negotiating the more pressure is put on teams to “up the ante” which directly favors the Rams…the lesser competition and fewer teams involved in trade negotiating the less leverage the Rams have.

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    not to mention when the “freak injury” pops up at Baylor’s proday…

    I mean there are just way too many factors that could go wrong for STL. If they really really want to move that pick and some of the talk of offers currently on the table do exist, they’d be dumb to not pull the trigger sooner than later. Once teams start pulling out of the “RGIII sweepstakes” the leverage slowly tilts away from STL and to the remaining teams in talks to trade up.

  12. buddyjake says: Mar 5, 2012 1:43 PM

    I think the Cowboys will be the surprise team to trade up, like the Falcons trading up for Jones, and the Jets for Sanchez.

  13. duanethomas says: Mar 5, 2012 1:44 PM

    They should, last time they had the # 2 they drafted Jason Smith. How’d that workout?

  14. mlgamboa2 says: Mar 5, 2012 1:44 PM

    As a boys fan I say the skins need to make this deal happen or they will be the same old deadskins for a few more years in the NFC East.

  15. touchdownroddywhite says: Mar 5, 2012 1:46 PM

    They’d be fool hardy to trade within the division since they already have to put up with a now very good ‘9ers team. With the Seahawks and Cardinals both having quietly good defenses already, they really can’t afford for either one to also have a franchise QB if they want to have any chance at a division title in the next 10 years…

  16. rlr79 says: Mar 5, 2012 1:49 PM

    Don’t do it Hawks 1 player that plays an injury prone style of football is not worth the “premium” I like RGIII but not that much.

  17. wryly1 says: Mar 5, 2012 1:51 PM

    Trade Bradford and take RGIII.

  18. atrophiedambitions says: Mar 5, 2012 1:52 PM

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see them sit on this pick and take Justin Blackmon. If the Brown’s low-ball them (which they should) to trade-out of that pick, the Rams may be faced with not being able to trade into a 1st round pick where they can still get the obviously best WR in this draft class. If the Rams want Blackmon bad enough to not walk away from the draft without him, the Browns could end-up getting RGIII without trading (assuming the Viks take Kalil). Plus it just seems like the Rams have been grand-standing so much about moving this pick that a hint of BS is in the air.

    That all changes if the Rams spend for some great WR free agent pick-ups. But if they lose bids, don’t want to fork the cash, or just like Blackmon better, I wouldn’t be shocked to see the first 4 picks go surprisingly normal.

  19. thetroofishere says: Mar 5, 2012 1:54 PM

    What happens if the Redskins send their 1st round pick to the Rams (among other picks) only to have the NFL issue a ruling on Bounty-Gate and strip them of their 1st round pick? Does that mean the Rams lose the pick but the Skins keep the 2nd overall pick in 2012?

  20. emmac13 says: Mar 5, 2012 1:54 PM

    Cleveland will trade one of the past defensive minded HC they are still paying and the 4th for the 2nd. After all the Rams need a DC.

  21. pkrjones says: Mar 5, 2012 1:56 PM

    After creating the buzz about expecting 3 1sts and at least 1 2nd rounder for this pick they now must back-track and attempt to create some genuine interest. Will now accept a 1st, a 7th and a conditional 6th rounder in 2013 for anyone stupid enough to trade-up (Hello, Dan?).

  22. demonspank says: Mar 5, 2012 1:57 PM

    Maybe the Rams can ask for a non-suspended DC in return as well.

  23. rowdymon says: Mar 5, 2012 1:58 PM

    What if the Browns trade 4 for 2, next year’s number one pick and Josh Cribbs. Josh is in the last year of his contract and has a couple of good years left. Better to get value out of him now.

  24. kjb7140 says: Mar 5, 2012 2:00 PM

    In the +20 years of studying the draft I have not seen a team pimp a draft pick like the rams. By the time free agency and bounty gate is over they will be drafting mo claiborne with the second pick, really bad sales technique.

  25. pooflingingmonkey says: Mar 5, 2012 2:05 PM

    Experts say that the Rams have a 50 – 50 chance of trading the pick, though there’s only a 10 percent chance of that.

  26. dblack25 says: Mar 5, 2012 2:10 PM

    Any consideration that the Rams my trade Bradford and take RG3?

  27. packernation90 says: Mar 5, 2012 2:14 PM

    RGIII is much better than bradford, ditch the guy who is costing you 16Mil. or so a year, and take the better guy for 5 Mil. a year

  28. orcheon says: Mar 5, 2012 2:15 PM

    Guessing the Browns are offering 2 first rounders and a second or third, and the Rams want 3 first rounders.

  29. suhnami says: Mar 5, 2012 2:18 PM

    So this may seem crazy but what if the Rams swing Bradford to Cleveland for their 2 first round picks? Get RGIII and Morris Claiborne and swing Kendall Wright with pick #22 RGIII’s WR at Baylor??

    Patt Shurmur was STL o-coordinator when they drafted Bradford and now the head coach in Cleveland…he’d be getting “his guy” back…seems like a win/win?>

  30. kmurph1226 says: Mar 5, 2012 2:19 PM

    They better hurry up. If they wait for a couple weeks and say Flynn signs with the Browns and Manning with the Dolphins and that leaves only the Skins, what do the Skins really have to give if they have no competition and the Rams don’t even need the player?

  31. maryannwiththeshakyhands says: Mar 5, 2012 2:20 PM

    This is awkward, who wants to tell the Rams it’s already 100% guaranteed to happen.

  32. promickey says: Mar 5, 2012 2:24 PM

    The Rams and Fisher should not expect the Dolphins to do business with them or give up the amount of draft picks Fisher is looking for. Ross, the owner still believes that Fisher played his Dolphins when he interviewed with them for the HC job in Miami. Simply put the Rams do not have a cooperative trade partner in the Dolphins.

  33. pkrjones says: Mar 5, 2012 2:33 PM

    60% of the time, this works 100% of the time…

  34. phreakin says: Mar 5, 2012 2:34 PM

    I love how everyone loses sight of the fact that any of the teams signing a QB in free agency will pay WAY more in guarantees than if they drafted at #2. Sure they give up picks to do it, but the smarter move is drafting at #2 and paying 20-25 million for 4 years than going after Flynn who will want a Kevin Kolb type deal, or Manning who will want a TON.

  35. ftblfan9 says: Mar 5, 2012 2:38 PM

    And since it may be Washington we need to hurry up and make the trade before they lose their pick to Bounty Gate.

  36. trollhammer20 says: Mar 5, 2012 2:41 PM

    “I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see them sit on this pick and take Justin Blackmon”

    Blackmon would almost definitely be available if the Rams trade with Cleveland or Washington. Why just sit on a pick when there’s a great chance you could acquire 3-4 players, including 1) the guy you want in the first place and 2) another first-round pick?

    Even if they trade out of Blackmon’s range, the Rams are not a team with only a few needs. They have a laundry list. While Kalil or Blackmon could be taken at 2 overall, they have a real opportunity to trade down and still get Blackmon, or get one of the offensive linemen from Stanford, and three other players.

    The Rams would be stupid to sit on the pick when they can get a handful of players and picks if they act soon.

  37. itsmammoth says: Mar 5, 2012 3:02 PM

    Why do I have this awful feeling the Cowboys are going to make a move? Oh, because I’m 90% sure Jerry Jones is a moron.

  38. jbcommonsense says: Mar 5, 2012 3:02 PM

    Ha, ha, Snead. Pls swallow the pick. Take RGIII or even better, and more likely, take Blackmon. The Redskins will get a better deal with the Vikes anyway.

  39. jessethegreat says: Mar 5, 2012 3:08 PM

    realitypolice says:
    Mar 5, 2012 1:42 PM
    No matter what the other team gives up, you can’t trade the pick within the division. No way.
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    Unless your scouts tell you the guy is garbage… and you completely believe in them.

    Different situation, but you think Philly regrets trading McDouble to the Redskins?

    What better than your division rival taking someone that’s going to flop besides getting picks from them for him?

  40. lolb23 says: Mar 5, 2012 3:17 PM

    They should, last time they had the # 2 they drafted Jason Smith. How’d that workout?
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    Exactly why they should just take Kalil and thank their stars they have the opportunity to fix that massive mistake.

  41. atrophiedambitions says: Mar 5, 2012 3:25 PM

    “Blackmon would almost definitely be available if the Rams trade with Cleveland or Washington.”

    Cleveland, yes. Washington, way too risky if you view the guy as a must-get. Washington would trade to the #2 for RGIII, then the Vikings (who like Kalil a lot but also do not have a legit WR except for Harvin who’s a slot) would have to pass on this year’s best receiver and then the Browns — who have NO legitimate targets at WR — would also have to pass on Blackmon. With two teams on the clock before you who have a combined total of zero outside receivers, its a huge gamble.

    There’s a chance, but its VERY risky for the Rams to trade down past #4. Which is why the Browns know that — if the Rams want Blackmon, which they really, really should — they’ve got St. Louis by the short-and-curlys and WILL NOT offer them 4 picks to move up two slots. The Brown’s won’t offer the Julio Jones trade to them. They’ll offer them 2 maybe 3 — the 4th pick this year, 1st round next year, and maybe a 3rd.

    Its also a question of protecting your investment in Bradford for the Rams. He is getting his career shortened by sacks and only part of that is bad protection. The other part is that he didn’t have a receiver who could get open this season. The Rams could try to trade according to the chart and rack-up picks for next season and developmental guys later in this year’s draft but ultimately, not DEFINITIVELY solving their WR problem this off-season could end-up leaving them without a healthly QB.

  42. sguy2130 says: Mar 5, 2012 3:36 PM

    pooflingingmonkey says:
    Mar 5, 2012 2:05 PM
    Experts say that the Rams have a 50 – 50 chance of trading the pick, though there’s only a 10 percent chance of that.

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    Awesome Naked Gun reference!

  43. clwb419 says: Mar 5, 2012 3:37 PM

    For the people asking if the Rams could trade Bradford – the short answer is yes. The long answer is that they won’t…for two reasons (a) they’ve already said as much and (b) the cap hit would be upwards of 15M because of escalations. I’ll add a (c) as well – (c) whomever they traded to would assume the rest of the contract, which is large due to it being signed before the rooking pay scale taking affect: 2012: $12 million, 2013: $9 million, 2014: $14.015 million, 2015: $12.985 million, plus whatever bonuses are still part of the contract.

    AKA – ain’t gonna happen.

  44. geefan1 says: Mar 5, 2012 3:44 PM

    pooflingingmonkey says:
    Mar 5, 2012 2:05 PM
    Experts say that the Rams have a 50 – 50 chance of trading the pick, though there’s only a 10 percent chance of that.

    ______

    And if that’s not bad enough, research shows that 47.9 percent of all statistics are actually made up on the spot…

  45. buffalomafia says: Mar 5, 2012 4:30 PM

    Why would you trade with the crappy Redskins?????

  46. granadafan says: Mar 5, 2012 4:32 PM

    The Rams are going to need all the defensive players they can get since their defensive coordinator will soon be suspended or fired.

  47. theemrsanity says: Mar 5, 2012 4:55 PM

    I would be surprised if Cleveland offered more than the #4 and the their second round pick this year. Their second round pick is a bird in the hand compared to anyone else’s pick next year. And of course with potential discipline issues looming either this year or next….things could get dicey.

    Not to mention, if the value between the #2 & #4 is so high, then what is the value of the #4 compared to #6?

  48. GO BROWNS! says: Mar 6, 2012 3:51 PM

    I don’t care if RG3 walks on water or turns water into wine at weddings; he isnt worth three first rounders.
    The Fatman in Cleveland isnt going to cough up most of his draft picks for him. Heckert and the Fatman are after Ryan Tannehill. If they cannot sign Matt Flynn, they will take Claiborne or Tannehill at #4. I am pretty sure Blackmon will be available at 6 when the redskins pick and will be available if the rams trade down.

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