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	<title>Comments on: The full statement from the league on the Saints&#8217; bounty program</title>
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		<title>By: momar3000</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 02:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At first I thought they were talking about taking ppl out via straight injury, such as diving at a knee or something.  A &quot;knockout&quot; or a &quot;cart-off&quot; could happen from a legal hit.  Hell, Ray Lewis hit Mendenhall totally legally and he f&#039;in broke his shoulder and knocked him out the whole year.  That is football.  If they have specific evidence that they were paying 1000 for someone to spear Brett Farve with a helmet shot, then fine that&#039;s not right.  But that is the individuals interpretation in the game and this doesn&#039;t seem to address that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first I thought they were talking about taking ppl out via straight injury, such as diving at a knee or something.  A &#8220;knockout&#8221; or a &#8220;cart-off&#8221; could happen from a legal hit.  Hell, Ray Lewis hit Mendenhall totally legally and he f&#8217;in broke his shoulder and knocked him out the whole year.  That is football.  If they have specific evidence that they were paying 1000 for someone to spear Brett Farve with a helmet shot, then fine that&#8217;s not right.  But that is the individuals interpretation in the game and this doesn&#8217;t seem to address that.</p>
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		<title>By: marrytothegame205</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marrytothegame205]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 17:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Roger Goodell continues taking all the fun and excitement away from the game. &quot;knockouts&quot; are apart of football thats what the fans pay their money to see. I mean come on we might as well make this a flag football game with all the rules and regulation to the league. Where&#039;s the evidence? where the reciept? where is the witness? John Elway gave Tim Tebow a bonus for his production in the win over Steelers. Goodell say he concern about the player safety but treating them as children. Players play to WIN!! This game is a tough sports and if you prepare for it turn in jersey for a aprin because this game isn&#039;t made for you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger Goodell continues taking all the fun and excitement away from the game. &#8220;knockouts&#8221; are apart of football thats what the fans pay their money to see. I mean come on we might as well make this a flag football game with all the rules and regulation to the league. Where&#8217;s the evidence? where the reciept? where is the witness? John Elway gave Tim Tebow a bonus for his production in the win over Steelers. Goodell say he concern about the player safety but treating them as children. Players play to WIN!! This game is a tough sports and if you prepare for it turn in jersey for a aprin because this game isn&#8217;t made for you.</p>
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		<title>By: monkeesfan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[monkeesfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 16:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The whole business is Roger Goodell STILL does not understand the game over which he presides.   The punishment will be severe because Goodell is moralistic and bullying, and the whole emphasis on &quot;player safety&quot; is treating the players like children, not as men.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole business is Roger Goodell STILL does not understand the game over which he presides.   The punishment will be severe because Goodell is moralistic and bullying, and the whole emphasis on &#8220;player safety&#8221; is treating the players like children, not as men.</p>
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		<title>By: vetdana</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vetdana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those documents of 50000 pages and the interviews could have revealed more than one snitch.Loomis instructed his GM to &quot; Cease &amp; desist the bounty program....Which he promptly ignored. HE LIED TO THE NFL Investigators and was caught.In any organization that I am aware, these are grounds for immediate termination !This went on for at least 3 years &amp; probably more.If this is happening League wide, as many ex players have attested, then we have a serious credibility gap with the lawsuit&#039;s filed against the NFL by former players who claim they were not aware of the long term effects of NFL play on their health !A jury is going to have a heyday with this testimony &amp; I am glad that I am not the attorney trying to convince them of the NFL&#039;s culpability.This whole business is real dirty and must be dealt with an iron hand or this whole emphasis of the last few years on player safety is going to be considered a sham &amp; you can be sure Roger Goodell is not going to have his &quot;Legacy&quot; go up in smoke ! This is going get very interesting when the punishment phase is exercised !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those documents of 50000 pages and the interviews could have revealed more than one snitch.Loomis instructed his GM to &#8221; Cease &amp; desist the bounty program&#8230;.Which he promptly ignored. HE LIED TO THE NFL Investigators and was caught.In any organization that I am aware, these are grounds for immediate termination !This went on for at least 3 years &amp; probably more.If this is happening League wide, as many ex players have attested, then we have a serious credibility gap with the lawsuit&#8217;s filed against the NFL by former players who claim they were not aware of the long term effects of NFL play on their health !A jury is going to have a heyday with this testimony &amp; I am glad that I am not the attorney trying to convince them of the NFL&#8217;s culpability.This whole business is real dirty and must be dealt with an iron hand or this whole emphasis of the last few years on player safety is going to be considered a sham &amp; you can be sure Roger Goodell is not going to have his &#8220;Legacy&#8221; go up in smoke ! This is going get very interesting when the punishment phase is exercised !</p>
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		<title>By: monkeesfan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[monkeesfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 23:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here are the facts -

The Saints played to beat their opponents, they played to beat up their opponents.   The people screaming that what they did goes too far are wrong, and people like Gerry Callahan need to stop citing injured ex-players as though they prove the game is so savage as to be unsurvivable.   The plethora of ex-players who lead good lives indicates otherwise.   

It&#039;s called TRUSTING IN THE TOUGHNESS OF THE PLAYERS.   Clearly Roger Goodell does not understand these are  NOT weak children, they are men.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are the facts -</p>
<p>The Saints played to beat their opponents, they played to beat up their opponents.   The people screaming that what they did goes too far are wrong, and people like Gerry Callahan need to stop citing injured ex-players as though they prove the game is so savage as to be unsurvivable.   The plethora of ex-players who lead good lives indicates otherwise.   </p>
<p>It&#8217;s called TRUSTING IN THE TOUGHNESS OF THE PLAYERS.   Clearly Roger Goodell does not understand these are  NOT weak children, they are men.</p>
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		<title>By: sterlingsaint</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sterlingsaint]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 05:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;There is no evidence that Mr. Loomis took any effective action to stop these practices.&quot;

Such a vague statement because including the word &#039;effective&#039; changes the dynamic of it.

Of course it wasn&#039;t effective, that&#039;s hindsight.  What if Loomis clearly instructed them to stop, then Gregg Williams hid it well enough from Loomis&#039; vigil.

Now the NFL has an inside snitch on this matter, something Loomis clearly wasn&#039;t privy to.

Can we hold off on calling for Loomis&#039;s to be fired until we more details on what he did or didn&#039;t do to stop Gregg Williams.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is no evidence that Mr. Loomis took any effective action to stop these practices.&#8221;</p>
<p>Such a vague statement because including the word &#8216;effective&#8217; changes the dynamic of it.</p>
<p>Of course it wasn&#8217;t effective, that&#8217;s hindsight.  What if Loomis clearly instructed them to stop, then Gregg Williams hid it well enough from Loomis&#8217; vigil.</p>
<p>Now the NFL has an inside snitch on this matter, something Loomis clearly wasn&#8217;t privy to.</p>
<p>Can we hold off on calling for Loomis&#8217;s to be fired until we more details on what he did or didn&#8217;t do to stop Gregg Williams.</p>
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		<title>By: mrslay1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mrslay1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 05:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone really think that Benson was/is ignorant of what was/is going on?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone really think that Benson was/is ignorant of what was/is going on?</p>
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		<title>By: guppies66</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[guppies66]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I applaud Goodell and the NFL for what looks to be a tough stance.  However, as I read this and put together what it means, the NFL is not going nearly far enough.

Based on these non-disputed facts: ...
*Gregg Williams was an employee of the Saints.
*Gregg Williams admits that he coordinated the bounty program.
*NFL finds that not only did Williams coordinate the bounty program, but said Saints&#039; employee also paid into the bounty fund.
*The bounty fund paid players for &quot;knock-outs&quot; or &quot;cart-offs&quot;. 
*Players who get knocked out and/or carted off are likely to have their careers adversly affected by the underlying injury as related to the knock-out and/or cart-off.
*Any player/person who knowingly participates in a plot/program designed to reward members for injurious knock-outs and cart-offs, is an intentional participant in adversely affecting another players career.
*Injuries which adversely affect an NFL player&#039;s career, have a great financial impact, not only on that player, but on numerous related business and non-business entities (ex. their families who depend upon them for support, their teams for their specific athletic skilll set, their insurers who pay for their rehabilitation and potential future disability, etc.). 

...the Saints and/or the NFL face an increasing set of potentially harmful consequences including:

*Continued escalating lawsuits by former players of their employers for not adequately protecting them, even though the sport has an inherent &#039;assumption of the risk&#039; defense (especially now that those who were injured while a bounty was in effect were victims of an intentional act, for which the &#039;assumption of the risk defense&#039; will not work)
*Lawsuits from the insurance providers who were required to pay the otherwise unnecesary medical expenses incurred due to the injury brought about by the intentional acts of an NFL team&#039;s employee
*Possible IRS investigations and/or criminal charges (stemming from the conspiracy to intentionally cause bodily injury to another)

Conclusion: it is practically a forgone certainty that an NFL team paid it&#039;s players to intentionally injure an opponent, and in some cases, a specific player.  To position itself such that they are viewed as not only not condoning such tortious actions, but also that they are the biggest advocate against such actions, the NFL must immediately permanently ban anyone who actively participated in bounty programs in question, and severly punish (minimum 1 year suspensions personally and multi-year highly punitive franchise sanctions) those who were periferally involved.

Going forward, to minimize their own risk/cost of the certainly forthcoming lawsuits, the NFL must make it clear to all &quot;members of the NFL family&quot; (owners, current players, all other league employees - including those of affiliates such as NFLN) that they must not say anything which is harmful or contradictory to the NFL&#039;s top priority of player safety, including especially a bounty program which intentionally seeks to injure their players.  And to do so will result in termination for cause.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud Goodell and the NFL for what looks to be a tough stance.  However, as I read this and put together what it means, the NFL is not going nearly far enough.</p>
<p>Based on these non-disputed facts: &#8230;<br />
*Gregg Williams was an employee of the Saints.<br />
*Gregg Williams admits that he coordinated the bounty program.<br />
*NFL finds that not only did Williams coordinate the bounty program, but said Saints&#8217; employee also paid into the bounty fund.<br />
*The bounty fund paid players for &#8220;knock-outs&#8221; or &#8220;cart-offs&#8221;.<br />
*Players who get knocked out and/or carted off are likely to have their careers adversly affected by the underlying injury as related to the knock-out and/or cart-off.<br />
*Any player/person who knowingly participates in a plot/program designed to reward members for injurious knock-outs and cart-offs, is an intentional participant in adversely affecting another players career.<br />
*Injuries which adversely affect an NFL player&#8217;s career, have a great financial impact, not only on that player, but on numerous related business and non-business entities (ex. their families who depend upon them for support, their teams for their specific athletic skilll set, their insurers who pay for their rehabilitation and potential future disability, etc.). </p>
<p>&#8230;the Saints and/or the NFL face an increasing set of potentially harmful consequences including:</p>
<p>*Continued escalating lawsuits by former players of their employers for not adequately protecting them, even though the sport has an inherent &#8216;assumption of the risk&#8217; defense (especially now that those who were injured while a bounty was in effect were victims of an intentional act, for which the &#8216;assumption of the risk defense&#8217; will not work)<br />
*Lawsuits from the insurance providers who were required to pay the otherwise unnecesary medical expenses incurred due to the injury brought about by the intentional acts of an NFL team&#8217;s employee<br />
*Possible IRS investigations and/or criminal charges (stemming from the conspiracy to intentionally cause bodily injury to another)</p>
<p>Conclusion: it is practically a forgone certainty that an NFL team paid it&#8217;s players to intentionally injure an opponent, and in some cases, a specific player.  To position itself such that they are viewed as not only not condoning such tortious actions, but also that they are the biggest advocate against such actions, the NFL must immediately permanently ban anyone who actively participated in bounty programs in question, and severly punish (minimum 1 year suspensions personally and multi-year highly punitive franchise sanctions) those who were periferally involved.</p>
<p>Going forward, to minimize their own risk/cost of the certainly forthcoming lawsuits, the NFL must make it clear to all &#8220;members of the NFL family&#8221; (owners, current players, all other league employees &#8211; including those of affiliates such as NFLN) that they must not say anything which is harmful or contradictory to the NFL&#8217;s top priority of player safety, including especially a bounty program which intentionally seeks to injure their players.  And to do so will result in termination for cause.</p>
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		<title>By: paulieorkid</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing to consider regarding Gregg Williams:  since it is well known what pleases Gregg Williams --- players probably don&#039;t need the pocket change system anymore.  

If a player under Williams wants to make Williams happy, and be much more likely to remain gamefully employed --- injure offensive players, especially elite quarterbacks and high value targets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to consider regarding Gregg Williams:  since it is well known what pleases Gregg Williams &#8212; players probably don&#8217;t need the pocket change system anymore.  </p>
<p>If a player under Williams wants to make Williams happy, and be much more likely to remain gamefully employed &#8212; injure offensive players, especially elite quarterbacks and high value targets.</p>
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		<title>By: scomibord</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scomibord]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 02:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Inquiring minds want to know just how many cart-off payments were made.  With the bevy of information they claim to have,  tell us who,  what,  when,  where and how.  All sounds like a lot of posturing by goodell.  &quot;Player safety&quot; being his main concern,  why is he trying to force an extra 2 games per season on them?  Don&#039;t they expose themselves to injury enough?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inquiring minds want to know just how many cart-off payments were made.  With the bevy of information they claim to have,  tell us who,  what,  when,  where and how.  All sounds like a lot of posturing by goodell.  &#8220;Player safety&#8221; being his main concern,  why is he trying to force an extra 2 games per season on them?  Don&#8217;t they expose themselves to injury enough?</p>
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		<title>By: sdisme</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sdisme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 02:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So basically this year (2012) Benson directed his general manager, Mickey Loomis, to ensure that any bounty program be discontinued immediately.

Other than not retaining Gregg Williams Mr. Loomis did nothing, despite the season being over. D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically this year (2012) Benson directed his general manager, Mickey Loomis, to ensure that any bounty program be discontinued immediately.</p>
<p>Other than not retaining Gregg Williams Mr. Loomis did nothing, despite the season being over. D</p>
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		<title>By: colt2011</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[colt2011]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 02:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That just about says it all. Sharper needs to read this, refresh his memory. 22-27 defensive players omg. These are the facts. 18,000 documents totalling over 50,000 pages. Wow. Sounds like a very lengthly, thorough and COSTLY investigation. Lots of lying and coverups. Really deplorable. Saints are in trouble and Williams won&#039;t likely be doing any head hunting with his buddy Fisher in St. Louis. Doubt they&#039;ll want this kind of bad publicity in RamsLand. Disgraceful conduct, but I&#039;ll be watching NFL football 4ever, might avoid Saints broadcasts for awhile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That just about says it all. Sharper needs to read this, refresh his memory. 22-27 defensive players omg. These are the facts. 18,000 documents totalling over 50,000 pages. Wow. Sounds like a very lengthly, thorough and COSTLY investigation. Lots of lying and coverups. Really deplorable. Saints are in trouble and Williams won&#8217;t likely be doing any head hunting with his buddy Fisher in St. Louis. Doubt they&#8217;ll want this kind of bad publicity in RamsLand. Disgraceful conduct, but I&#8217;ll be watching NFL football 4ever, might avoid Saints broadcasts for awhile.</p>
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