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Goodell sees bounty case as a turning point in NFL’s culture change

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Roger Goodell has made no secret that he wants part of his legacy as commissioner to be a safer NFL. The way he handles the Saints bounty case may go a long way toward shaping his legacy, and changing the attitudes of NFL players, coaches and teams toward player safety.

Peter King has a story in this week’s Sports Illustrated, available on the magazine’s Facebook page, that suggests Goodell is furious about the bounties and planning to take severe action.

“This is a seminal moment in the culture change we have to make,” a source close to Goodell said. “This has to stop now. Every team needs to hear the message that we’re in a different era now, where this appalling behavior is going to end.”

The source told King that when Goodell first heard the allegations of the Saints paying bounties, the commissioner said, “God forbid this is true. This will be earth-shattering.”

Former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams appears to be in very deep trouble with Goodell, as comparisons continue to be raised with the 1963 case in which Commissioner Pete Rozelle suspended Paul Hornung and Alex Karras for an entire season for their involvement in gambling. According to King, when Goodell first confronted Williams with evidence that he had been involved in paying bounties, Williams denied it, which will surely not win Williams any points. He has since admitted his involvement.

Saints head coach Sean Payton may be in big trouble as well, with one league source involved in the investigation saying the way Payton ran things “Reminds me of the Nixon White House.”

King’s sources suggest that Goodell will come down hardest on Williams, Payton, Saints G.M. Mickey Loomis and Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma, who reportedly offered $10,000 cash to any player who could knock Brett Favre out of the NFC Championship Game.

Goodell made his mark as commissioner by cracking down on players’ off-field misconduct. Those who encouraged injuring opposing players through on-field misconduct are about to feel Goodell’s wrath.

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156 Responses to “Goodell sees bounty case as a turning point in NFL’s culture change”
  1. biggerballz says: Mar 6, 2012 12:07 PM

    if williams isn’t banned for life, goodell didn’t go far enough. Payton should be banned for a year and vilma a year. Strip the Saints next years 1st and 2nd and the franchise tag this year and next.

  2. nukaten says: Mar 6, 2012 12:08 PM

    Wow. Sounds like we’re in for a big ass suspension

  3. IrsaysTwitterThumb says: Mar 6, 2012 12:09 PM

    Goodell is winning me over.

  4. joetoronto says: Mar 6, 2012 12:09 PM

    Like it or not, the Saints are gonna pay big time for this.

    Expect at least a 1st & 2nd round pick and a bag full of cash, upwards of 500,000

  5. olcap says: Mar 6, 2012 12:10 PM

    Lets wait and see how substantial Mr. Wrath’s actions will be. Personally, I think anything short of ALL of the involved parties being permanently banned from the NFL, will be going too easy on them.

  6. jenniferxxx says: Mar 6, 2012 12:12 PM

    Turning point! So they’re not going to destroy all the evidence and cover it all up … like Spygate? Incredible …

  7. glac1 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:12 PM

    The Saint, Redskins and Bills must lose draft choices and receive huge fines, any coaches associated with those teams at the time that bounties were paid must be terminated and banned from the game for life. Any player involved should be banned from the game for life and have to pay restitution to those injured. Those are three sorry organizations.

  8. dzor22 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:13 PM

    Who Dat!!!?? While we’re at it…let’s look at the officiating that allowed the late hits and ridiclous calls the Aints have gotten ever since Katrina. its time.

  9. jcusa514 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:15 PM

    Williams – suspended indefinitely
    Payton – 4-6 games or cash fine
    Loomis – $250,000 fine
    Vilma – 4-6 games
    Saints – 2012 draft picks forfeited

  10. ebeg420 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:16 PM

    Take away the Franchise Tag and force them to have to bow down to Brees instead of them controlling his decision and calling him a “good, but not great, QB”, let’s see what Drew REALLY wants to do, stay or go?…..this could get interesting.

  11. touchdownroddywhite says: Mar 6, 2012 12:17 PM

    Man would I LOVE to see Sean “Vicodin thief” Payton banned for life. And before anybody tries to say that’s just because I’m a bitter Falcon’s fan, please understand that I’d dislike that tool regardless of what team he coached…

  12. nannymcsack says: Mar 6, 2012 12:19 PM

    the main issue hear is that coaches were involved

  13. orbearider66 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:19 PM

    Not that the NFLPA would ever go for this but … rather than fining the Saints money … take away cap space. If you really want to hit this team hard, take away draft picks and cap space.

  14. ebeg420 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:20 PM

    If they don’t give Belichick nothing but a slap on the wrist for CHEATING and SPYING, using video equipment, I’m not sure what Goodell will do to N.O.?

  15. jag8917 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:20 PM

    Who dat? Who dat? Who dat say dey gonna beat dem Saints?

    Roger Goodell!

  16. ebeg420 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:21 PM

    touchdownroddywhite says: Mar 6, 2012 12:17 PM

    Man would I LOVE to see Sean “Vicodin thief” Payton banned for life. And before anybody tries to say that’s just because I’m a bitter Falcon’s fan, please understand that I’d dislike that tool regardless of what team he coached…
    _______________________

    I thought it was Percocet?

  17. cured76 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:22 PM

    Roger Goodell tends to keep it real. If his past suspensions of players has been bad, I’m waiting to see what fire and brimstone he will bringeth down in this case.

  18. mikejd12 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:23 PM

    The bounty thing is a little much but judging from what i heard from multiple player interviews, players look at the money as a reward for being that guy to make the big hit or cause the big fumble or even get the big interception. Bountys to hurt people is rediculous. But most players says rewards have been around for a while. Like college players get the sticker for the big hit, whats the difference. The Nfl should them put in there own reward system for guys that have game changing plays during the corse of a game. One game one player every night. Maybe that would cut down on players doing it on there own. Almost like on thanksgiving everyone wants the pie. Something so stupid but its all about the motivation to say “im the one that got it”.

  19. brewtalviking says: Mar 6, 2012 12:23 PM

    Sadly along with it the fans get punished as well.

  20. dontlikecravens says: Mar 6, 2012 12:23 PM

    Watch Out! Here comes Goodell, the inconsistent punisher! You know J Harrison is watching with eyes wide.

  21. puckthefatriots says: Mar 6, 2012 12:24 PM

    get em Roger…get em

  22. clownsfan says: Mar 6, 2012 12:24 PM

    Enough w/Spygate already.

  23. golonger says: Mar 6, 2012 12:26 PM

    This just goes to show how painfully out of touch Goodell is. This man is clueless. Sure, discipline those involved but don’t act like it is something that hasn’t always been with the league. Get real Goodell. Players are ALWAYS going to be out to hurt opposing players. Not cripple them for life but injure them enough to reduce their skills or keep them out for that game (bounty or no bounty).That is ALWAYS going to be there..sorry Goodell if you think the game is somehow going to change. It has already changed and not for the better under his watch. Aikman was right!

  24. dawsonleery says: Mar 6, 2012 12:26 PM

    Saints should not be allowed to compete for the Super Bowl. You wanna punish someone that’s how you do it. These people don’t care about money or a few game suspension. Take away whats really important. Winning a championship. That will teach everyone a lesson.

  25. mike8016 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:26 PM

    I agree with how Goodell is handling this situation but he still is a horrible commissioner

  26. bobwhitequail says: Mar 6, 2012 12:26 PM

    IMO a fair punishment would be:

    1. Greg Williams banned for life

    2. Mickey Loomis suspended 2 years for lying and conitnuing the program after being told to stop

    3. Payton suspended 5 games plus big fine

    4. Saints lose this years 2 rounder and next year’s first rounder.

    5. Main players get a slap on the wrist minimal fine because it’s not their fault they were doing what the coach told them to do.

    That would send a clear message that people would actually pay attention to.

  27. farmmbig says: Mar 6, 2012 12:26 PM

    The officiating crew also needs to be looked at in the NFC Title Game— The whole Instant Replay in the overtime process was blatantly TERRIBLE and is probably the reason the game was dropped yesterday….

    That game was given to the Saints in so many ways..

    1. The Vikings turning over the ball…
    2. The officiating turned their heads (especially the high/low hit)

  28. thegrey7 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:27 PM

    Ban Williams for a year. Ban Payton for eight games. Take their top three draft picks this year and next year. Fine the Saints organization $1 million, with proceeds split between charities of Favre and Warner’s choice.

  29. fishtank86 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:27 PM

    Id love to see Brees jump ship in light of this and his soured contract negotiation.

  30. hairpie says: Mar 6, 2012 12:28 PM

    As long as he doesnt destroy evidence to protect other teams and only punish one like he did in Spygate.

  31. scerpico22 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:29 PM

    The fact that this has been going on in the NFL for as many years as football has been around is irrelevant. Its footballs dirty little secret…everyone knows it but be damned if it ever hits the mainstream media and actually has confirmation that this goes on behind closed doors.

    In Goodell’s heart of hearts…he himself knows what goes on…but when the league office tells you to cool it and get it under control and you do nothing about it and basically spit in the face of the commish…hell hath no furry.

    The suspensions will rain heavy on Williams, Payton, Loomis, Vilma and the Saints.

    Goodell will take this personal!!!

  32. orcheon says: Mar 6, 2012 12:29 PM

    750k and a 1st round pick next year for the saints, gregg 500k and a 1 year suspension, payton 250k and 8 games, vilma 100k and 2 games

  33. conormacleod says: Mar 6, 2012 12:29 PM

    Banned for life is not going to happen, so settle down. It will be the biggest fines, suspensions, and consequences we’ve ever seen in professional sports, but banned for life is way too much of a punishment. $1 mil for owner. 1 year suspension for Coaches. Loss of 1st round draft pick this year. Loss of franchise tag next year. 8 game suspension for Vilma.

  34. rpiotr01 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:29 PM

    That settles it: Williams will be shipped to Gitmo for some “enhanced interrogation” on his involvement with these bounty rings.

  35. paleandpasty says: Mar 6, 2012 12:29 PM

    I just don’t understand how this is worse than Spygate. Spygate was blatant cheating by taping walk-throughs that were supposed to be private.

    I just can not see the Saints getting penalized more than the Pats did. I do understand that the Saints will have more people penalized.

    Can someone please explain this.

  36. fijabbersman345 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:30 PM

    They are SO done.

  37. thatobnoxiousguy says: Mar 6, 2012 12:30 PM

    Greg Williams insituted a performance system that gave monetary rewards for big hits.

    No different from corporate America that gives bonuses out for performance.

    James Harrison does the same damn thing each week as the Saints players did, except he may or may not have received extra bonus money.

    If the Saints lose a draft pick or receive fines, then the Redskins should also cause Blache was aware and he didnt speak up.

    Any team that Williams had a “performance bonus plan” in place should be punished if the Saints are punished. And James Harrison should get additional punishment also.

    Greg Williams system produced a legitimate championship for the Saints. That is something the Patriots have yet to do.

    Patriots cheat and got a slap on the wrist. Harrison continues to play dirty but has never been suspended.
    Williams only got his players to play the game like it used to be played……. and SHOULD be played.

    Ask Jack Lambert, Dick Butkus, Jack Tatum, Bobby Bell and Ronnie Lott how soft this pansie league has become.

  38. fordman84 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:30 PM

    Wonder if this will make Brees change his mind about sticking around. Just like you see NCAA teams that go on probation lose players and recruits, maybe Brees wants to put distance between himself and Payton before this next season is limited. And if future picks are taken, then that hurts the future team as well.

    Brees will get paid a lot by someone, maybe he wants a new team?

  39. skito13 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:30 PM

    What is the way you are suppose to play football?? Snap to whistle hit or be hit,right?

  40. thatobnoxiousguy says: Mar 6, 2012 12:32 PM

    Greg , i am offering $1500 if you lay out Goodell during your meeting!!!!!!

  41. hanzotori24 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:32 PM

    Everyone keeps comparing this to Spygate. That really isn’t fair. Spygate wasn’t paying people to purposely hurt other players. This is an entirely different and purely malicious scandal. Yes cheating by spying is wrong, no one can argue against that. But to say these two issues require equal punishment is just wrong. What the saints were doing were actually illegal…and not just illegal to the rules of the NFL. Goodell has always been big on player safety, and this goes against his crusade on all levels. The penalties will be steep…and rightly so.

  42. mikebaltimore12 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:33 PM

    What’s the big deal? Bounties have never been illegal..just frowned upon..like masturbaiting on an airplane

  43. nineroutsider says: Mar 6, 2012 12:33 PM

    What a bunch of idiots in that front office. When the league doesn’t go public and instead asks you to stop immediately with the bounty program and you keep going, that’s when you deserve everything you are about to get.

    The league gave them an opportunity, as the old saying goes, crap on me once, shame on you, do it twice, shame on me…the Saints are about to get crapped on in a major way.

    I don’t agree with all of the crap about lowering their cap space or automatically disqualifying them from the postseason. Their sins weren’t that bad…

  44. kingjoe1 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:34 PM

    What happens when it comes out that 5 or 10 other coaches have a similar system? Will the NFL really suspend 15% of the league coaches for the year?

  45. imasturbate says: Mar 6, 2012 12:34 PM

    In other news…the Lingerie Football League is increasingly gaining popularity due to the fact that they are allowed to hit harder.

  46. sj39 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:35 PM

    Fortunately most of the commenters are just basement or cubical bloggers not in a position of power or decision making. I believe there ought to be punishments doled out but lifetime bans? Really? Losing an entire draft? Right. As a Rams fan I would like to see them void Williams’ contract, for sure they don’t need that BS baggage but I strongly believe that those of you calling for the toughest of actions only do so because you are the fans of rival teams and indeed if it was “your” team you would be saying they were simply playing the way the game was meant to be played and whining that Goodell might as well put flags on the players.

  47. jaltreality says: Mar 6, 2012 12:35 PM

    There seems to be a lot of arbitrary punishments thrown around. “CRUCIFY SEAN PAYTON AND HAVE GOODELL WEAR HIS FACE AS A CEREMONIAL MASK”. Probably not going to happen. Let’s be realistic…

    Likelihood of punishments:

    Payton & Loomis being fired: 0%
    Williams being fired: 2%
    Multi-game suspension for Payton & Loomis: 50%
    Multi-game suspension for Williams: 100%
    Year long suspension for Williams: 50%
    Multi-game suspension for players like Vilma: 75%
    Year long suspension for players like Vilma: 15%
    Life suspensions for anyone: 0%
    Franchise tag loss: 3%
    Draft pick loss: 99%

    What is awfully curious to me is how many fans are focusing on the Saints, like this is a game of moral musical chairs. Let’s not forget the Titans, Redskins and Bills are also implicated in these matters. I’m curious as to whether the Saints will be used as an example, or whether the punishment will be thorough and include these franchises and I’m sure the plethora of others that will turn up through a thorough investigation.

  48. Soulman45 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:36 PM

    All about nothing this is football not tag it is a rough game get over it people always get hurt that why they can retire at 35.

  49. dikshuttle says: Mar 6, 2012 12:37 PM

    I’m sorry. This is idiotic and will do nothing RE the vets’ lawsuit.

    Worst Komish evar.

  50. thatobnoxiousguy says: Mar 6, 2012 12:37 PM

    Greg,
    When you get to Gustapo Goddell’s office, use the New England Patriot defense…………….

    ” BUT EVERYONE WAS DOING IT” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  51. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Mar 6, 2012 12:38 PM

    dawsonleery says:Mar 6, 2012 12:26 PM

    Saints should not be allowed to compete for the Super Bowl. You wanna punish someone that’s how you do it.

    _____________

    Wow, if that’s the punishment, I wonder what the viks did to deserve their punishment. Oh no, wait, they’re just terrible….

  52. 1phd says: Mar 6, 2012 12:38 PM

    Well my guess is that the tone of this article will be encouraged by the NFL for a few more weeks to make their point. Then when the dust settles the punishment will probably be less than what is being suggested here. The person or people that finally ratted better be very careful and players like Sharper better calm way down with their suggestions of putting a bounty on the people that gave the information to the NFL.

  53. beavertonsteve says: Mar 6, 2012 12:39 PM

    I want every player and coach on every team who put money into a pot that paid for these “kill shots” to step forward. Let’s see the real picture.

  54. nunpuncher says: Mar 6, 2012 12:39 PM

    I recall back in November when the Saints whined and complained to the league office that Buccaneers QB Josh Freeman’s sprained thumb wasn’t listed on the injury report. I guess they were really concerned about having their upcoming “Bounty Chart” updated and current.

  55. IrsaysTwitterThumb says: Mar 6, 2012 12:40 PM

    unfortunately for the Patriots, you can never have enough Spygate.

    Bountygate will be the same for the Saints and the Redskins and to a lesser extent the Bills probably.

    Its the nature of the beast. When you (or your team) does something bad or stupid. There is no way your rivals will ever let you live it down and they will keep that alive forever.

    I know because I have to listen to “throwing the linemen under the bus” and “addicted alcoholic” lines still.

    Its just what happens.

  56. jamaltimore says: Mar 6, 2012 12:41 PM

    Funny it’s ok for everyone on the saint’s coaching staff to be abusing pain medicine but hard hits on the opposing team is FROWNED UPON!

    Player safety will doom the NFL. Sorry but the two don’t mix and the road we are going down now with player lawsuits and rule changes that are unenforceable will only make it worse. Roger Goddell’s legacy will be that he led the league down the road to saftety and off the top of the sports popularity pyramid.

  57. bobwhitequail says: Mar 6, 2012 12:42 PM

    Reading this again, I guess Vilma should be in there as well as it sounds like he did more than just follow the coach’s wishes.

    1/2 to full year suspension

  58. dontlikecravens says: Mar 6, 2012 12:42 PM

    Knowing Goodell, he’ll figure out a way to piss all over his leg AND make a big old puddle that the league will slip in and look even sillier than before.

  59. kmdp4 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:43 PM

    The NFL according to there own report has know about this since 2010 so if Gooddell was so intent on stopping it why didn’t he do something about it then. They told the Saints to stop doing it and if they had complied we would never have heard about it. The Saints kept going that is why this has come up, it has nothing to do with player safety. If player safety is such a big concern why does the NFL network and ESPN show more replays of huge hits then any other play in the NFL.

  60. ikoikofinanay says: Mar 6, 2012 12:44 PM

    You commenting tools are just bitter losers. Why stop at lifetime bans? How about lifetime picks? Let’s break into every Saint home and take their rings!! Wait, wait, let’s carry torches and yank them from their beds. KILL. KILL. KILL.

    You jerks are haters, plain and simple. Like the idiot said, he’d hate the guy regardless where he coached. This practice was widespread. Don’t think your team hasn’t been touched. They just haven’t been caught.

  61. packerfanfordecades says: Mar 6, 2012 12:44 PM

    Let’s say a prayer for wisdom for Mr. Goodell. He doesn’t have an easy job to begin with and then stuff like this he had no part in inventing ends up on his desk for resolution. What a mess.

    A dose of the Golden Rule (do unto others as you would have them do unto you) would have provided better guidance for a couple of coaches down in New Orleans, me thinks. Shucks. Now we have a big mess.
    .

  62. portnoychunk says: Mar 6, 2012 12:45 PM

    beg420 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:20 PM

    If they don’t give Belichick nothing but a slap on the wrist for CHEATING and SPYING, using video equipment, I’m not sure what Goodell will do to N.O.?

    ^^^^^^^^^

    You know how you too can cheat and spy like Bill? Got to a game and watch the sideline. Heck, you might even be able to do it from your couch at home. You’re just not smart enough to decipher it. Then again, you’re still working on basic English. Ain’t ya there?

  63. kmdp4 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:45 PM

    Stopping bounties is going to make the league safer sure your right, the Saints were not even in the top 5 of teams penalized for illegal hits. Show me the plays where the Saints knocked a guy out of a game with an illegal hit and then compare that number with teams that don’t have a bounty system i bet you there is no difference.

  64. gbditka says: Mar 6, 2012 12:46 PM

    In 2009, the night prior to the playoff game versus the Cardinals, Sean Payton presented every player with a monogrammed baseball bat that read “Lay the Wood” — what fine/suspension did Roger Goodell issue when that was announced on a national broadcast as obviously it’s message was to go play smash mouth football and win at all costs? (By the way, your answer is no action taken by the league office.)

  65. mistrezzrachael says: Mar 6, 2012 12:46 PM

    jenniferxxx says:
    Mar 6, 2012 12:12 PM
    Turning point! So they’re not going to destroy all the evidence and cover it all up … like Spygate? Incredible

    So???? You are comparing hand signals, that teams change every quarter or 2….to severely injuring someone????…In other words, no damage [ except ignoring a letter]…to permanent damage???

    One kept a video library, while other teams kept written libraries….the bounty kept players in the hospital.

    Thats pretty dumb.

  66. jaltreality says: Mar 6, 2012 12:47 PM

    dawsonleery says: “Saints should not be allowed to compete for the Super Bowl.”

    @dawsonleery

    What would that entail? Can they still play the season? Are they allowed to play in the playoffs? If they don’t even play this year, how will that effect scheduling, particularly in the NFC South?

    These and other suggested punishments are just asinine and nonsensical. So long as we’re making them up, let me suggest: “make them play without a helmet, and have them wear pink jerseys!”

  67. portnoychunk says: Mar 6, 2012 12:47 PM

    golonger says: Mar 6, 2012 12:26 PM

    This just goes to show how painfully out of touch Goodell is. This man is clueless. Sure, discipline those involved but don’t act like it is something that hasn’t always been with the league. Get real Goodell. Players are ALWAYS going to be out to hurt opposing players. Not cripple them for life but injure them enough to reduce their skills or keep them out for that game (bounty or no bounty).That is ALWAYS going to be there..sorry Goodell if you think the game is somehow going to change. It has already changed and not for the better under his watch. Aikman was right!

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    You sound like Golic and all the other mouth breathers. He also has a responsibility to protect player safety so they don’t come back and sue the league like all the retired NFL’ers are who got hurt in the glory days. “I can’t walk or remember my name, better sue the league so they’ll take care of me.” Times change genius, Goodell is smart enough to see what he needs to do. It stinks, but it’s the lawyer happy society we’ve put ourselves in.

  68. joetoronto says: Mar 6, 2012 12:48 PM

    clownsfan says: Mar 6, 2012 12:24 PM

    Enough w/Spygate already.
    ***************************************************
    Spygate will never go away.

    Not hatin, just sayin.

  69. vaphinfan says: Mar 6, 2012 12:48 PM

    Band from the super bowl? Coaches should be banned for life? You guys are nuts. Think this is the only coach that has did this? I thought when defensive guys hit they were suppose to inflict pain between the whistles. Lets strap on the flags and play.

  70. salmen76 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:49 PM

    Goodell will go down in history as the worst most girly commish we ever had. Bounties smounties is much-a-do about nothin. If Goodell had his way the NFL would be Flag football with a prayer vigil in every huddle before every play. He’s a sneaky sly cowardly man. Like when he held the vote to change the OT rules a few years ago while all the coaches were golfing. He never even ever served his country. I bet i could walk up to him and say “BOO” and his scaredy-cat-self would jump 10 feet in the sky and wet his pants. I have zero respect for cowardly men. The Saints will rebound from their scandal just like the Patriots did. And the Saints will host and play in and win the SB in 2012 right there in the Mercedes Benz Superdome! Geaux Saints!

  71. whyamiacowboysfanagain says: Mar 6, 2012 12:49 PM

    I’m apparently in the minority on this but, who cares? So what if cash is offered for big plays/hits, etc… The byproduct of all this is incredible NFL games. I want to see guys 6′ 4” 275 going after each other with ferocity. Tell you what, QBs get sacked via the 2 hand touch rule, CBs are not allowed to touch opposing WRs EVER and anyone who chooses to celebrate after a hard earned Td will be fined a million, gazillion, bazillion dollars!

  72. switch123 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:50 PM

    Already tired of hearing about, The media exploiting it squeezing every extra rating point they can get ut of it.

  73. psdaleno says: Mar 6, 2012 12:51 PM

    (Drew Brees knocks on the Saints’ front office). “Sorry to bother but is this still a bad time to ask for more money?”

  74. whyamiacowboysfanagain says: Mar 6, 2012 12:52 PM

    You sound like Golic and all the other mouth breathers. He also has a responsibility to protect player safety so they don’t come back and sue the league like all the retired NFL’ers are who got hurt in the glory days. “I can’t walk or remember my name, better sue the league so they’ll take care of me.” Times change genius, Goodell is smart enough to see what he needs to do. It stinks, but it’s the lawyer happy society we’ve put ourselves in.
    ******************************************* Wrong, his ONLY responsibility is to the OWNERS, who employ him.

  75. mattwalshvideo says: Mar 6, 2012 12:53 PM

    Let’s get this straight, Bill Belicheater cheats for a decade, Goodell destroys the evidence and gives that scumbag no suspension.

    yeah, that sounds about right in Goodell’s Gingerland.

  76. clayton43 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:54 PM

    I dont see how Payton gets away with any less if not more than Williams. He was Williams’ boss and knew what was going on so I think Payton AND Loomis should get the same treatment as Williams as far as punishment. They should all be in line with each other.

  77. infectorman says: Mar 6, 2012 12:55 PM

    beavertonsteve says: Mar 6, 2012 12:39 PM

    I want every player and coach on every team who put money into a pot that paid for these “kill shots” to step forward. Let’s see the real picture.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    You and the IRS, both!

  78. tduhe1 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:55 PM

    For all of you who are on this “Katrina bandwagon” you can get off of it. Nobody down here expects sympathy, nor did we at the time it happened. Besides, this has nothing to due with a natural disaster – it’s about football. Greg Williams was never a popular guy down here because his Defense sucked, and caused us to lose games. He should be punished for his actions, as should Loomis and Payton for not putting a stop to the practice. To what extent I don’t know, but some of the comments coming out about being banned for life should, in my opinion, be directed towards Greg Williams. As a Saints fan I can accept our Coach and GM being punished, but taking away draft picks, cap space, or our Franchise Tag only hurts our team and it’ fans. Why should we suffer for what coaches did?

  79. jpmelon says: Mar 6, 2012 12:56 PM

    Hurricane Goodell is about to roll through New Orleans. The last time draft picks were taken from a team, the team made it to the superbowl that year….maybe the Saints can still have a Superbowl home-game…..oh wait, you’re losing your best receiver and your QB isn’t going to be practicing throughout training camp. Dem Saints are in trouble.

  80. makeham98 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:56 PM

    Too bad the stooges still don’t understand the reasons for the penalties to the patriots. It wasn’t for taping signals, it was for repeatedly ignoring orders from the league offices to stop taping.

    Similarly, teams had been to stop the bounty mentality and the Saints flaunted that order. It is the refusal to stop after the league warns you that gets you hammered, not the specific activity.

  81. patriotinvasion says: Mar 6, 2012 12:56 PM

    Why do people always say Goodell “covered up” evidence during spygate? When the Matt Walsh thing happened, the NFL had a press conference with a TV monitor showing exactly what was on the tapes. a camera focused on hand signals, cheerleaders and the scoreboard. Oh the horror! Only funny thing is that every man, woman, child, seeing eye dog, cat and fly in the stadium could see the same thing in plain view. Bountygate is the new gate in town haters, sorry for your loss!

  82. whatnojets says: Mar 6, 2012 12:56 PM

    The NFL will become a regular two hand touch team. No more tackling, no pushing, no shoving and defifnitly to quaterback sacks!!

    This is the END of the NFL era!

  83. jerseytap says: Mar 6, 2012 12:58 PM

    Once again the coverup (lie) is worse than the original crime. In this case, both are incredibly arrogant and disturbing

  84. packerpride03 says: Mar 6, 2012 12:59 PM

    Couldn’t happen to a better scab

  85. Steeley McBeam says: Mar 6, 2012 1:00 PM

    thatobnoxiousguy is somhow calling for James Harrison to be suspended for this and you guys wonder why he thinks hes treated unfairly?

  86. thatobnoxiousguy says: Mar 6, 2012 1:00 PM

    hanzotori24 says:
    Mar 6, 2012 12:32 PM

    “Yes cheating by spying is wrong, no one can argue against that”.

    ******************************************

    You obviously have not been around Patriot fans much have you?

  87. nebster21 says: Mar 6, 2012 1:01 PM

    This is Goodell trying to make a name for himself when one is not needed. I highly doubt that these bounties were put out to injure someone. It is just like Fujita said pay a player for a good play. Well atleast for most teams. I know of one that did for injuries. And their QB is pushing Goodell to make a point about it.

  88. golonger says: Mar 6, 2012 1:01 PM

    portnoychunk-oh, so you think Goodell is going to legislate away injuries moron? Not happening.You think that every linebacker in the league is going to stop thinking about taking Brady out in the playoffs? seriously? wrong. Never going to happen. Why, because knocking out a Drew Brees significantly increases one’s chances of winning. PERIOD. If you think every defensive player doesn’t think this way, just shows you have never played the game!

  89. gmen1987 says: Mar 6, 2012 1:06 PM

    Commisioner Goodell is showing us why he is the people’s commisionner and is the greatest sports commisioner in history. May God bless Goodell and his family.

    The Goodell haters are just criminal elements like many of the players in the NFL.

  90. colt2011 says: Mar 6, 2012 1:06 PM

    The most harsh punishment must be on Williams-suspend him NOW, pending full investigation into WAS & BUF activities. No doubt it will be proven he did the same there. He should then be banned from the NFL. As for Payton and Loomis-they knew what was going on, approved of it (they were winning). If the Commish is looking to set a huge example, stop misconduct and disgusting behavior these 2 guys should be heavily fined and suspended for 1 full year. The Owner who continues to stand by them 110% is a fool. They lied to him and ignored his requests, but again he knew what was going on. Did anyone even followup? NO. They covered up-for 3 years. Saints owner should be nailed with an enormous fine, forfeiture of draft picks and forced to look for some decent coaches. As for the 22-27 defensive players-suspensions, fines and no eligibility for consideration to HOF for an additional 15-20 year wait. Any other players that KNEW ABOUT THIS, should likewise be fined. They ignored it, covered up and are equally responsible for allowing it to go on. (Brees included-he’s the player rep and must have known, should be ashamed if he overlooked this deplorable behavior) Saints should be heavily punished. But the biggest HIT should be levelled at Williams-out you go!

  91. mattwalshvideo says: Mar 6, 2012 1:08 PM

    Gotta love imbecile patriots fans trying to pass spygate off as nothing, Goodell destroyed years and years of videotapes, not just the Matt Walsh walk through. WHY? ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHY WOULD HE DESTROY THE EVIDENCE IF THERE WAS NOTHING INCRIMINATING THERE? Dopes.

    Sorry chowds, you’re stained forever and still haven’t won a bowl since the cameras got taken away.

  92. cwmorga says: Mar 6, 2012 1:08 PM

    This happens at every level of football, from Pop Warner to the NFL. Anyone appalled by what was going on in New Orleans knows very little the mindset of football players. They’re taught to hit the opponent as hard as they can and hopefully knock him out of the game LEGALLY. Not injure, but hurt. Every NFL quarterback knows that there’s a bounty on them on every snap, whether explicit or implied. Other positions as well, though none more so than QB.

    Then again, I think most people know that but are using this as an excuse to bag on a team that they already didn’t like (probably fans of other NFC South teams, in particular).

  93. hystoracle says: Mar 6, 2012 1:10 PM

    Players get paid quite well to make “good plays”. If you make too many bad ones you don’t get paid anymore because you don’t have a job. Players have incentives put into their contracts. I’m sure the incentive for interceptions in their contract is much higher than the $100 that the coach is shelling out. What is this Glengary Glenross where the second place guy gets steak knives and everyone else gets fired?

  94. holeinone09 says: Mar 6, 2012 1:10 PM

    Goodell should come down hard on this, and he has to considering his past decisions. He has laid some big fines and suspensions against players who allegedly made illegal hits in a split-second high speed collision. What the coaches and players like Vilma did was intentionally plan in advance to do what they did. On top of that, some like Williams lied to Goodell when originally asked (ie go see what happened to Vick when he lied to the commissioner).

    I think Williams needs to be banned for one year and finded 6 figures. Peyton should as well, but he probably won’t be, maybe suspended for 4-6 games and fined 6 figures.

    The team needs to lose first round draft choices for a few years as well as the franchise tag, and get a serious fine (like 7 figures).

    Vilma needs to be suspended for half a season at least and fined 6 figures. Offering to pay a player to injure another one is outrageous.

  95. vikings2011 says: Mar 6, 2012 1:14 PM

    Let’s say Goodell does suspend the coaches, GM and/or Vilma for a year. If you then asked them “Was it worth it?”, I’d bet every member of the Saints organization would say “YES,” because the team won the Super Bowl.

    No fine or suspension will change the fact the Saints won the 2009 SB. The only punishment that fits the crime is to revoke their organization’s 2009 SB win. We have predecent for this in college football. It was proven that the 2004 USC Trojans cheated, and their national championship was revoked. No amount of fines or suspensions will make the Saints regret cheating, because they can still say then won the SB. Revoking the championship is the only punishment that fits their crime.

  96. unintentionalboners says: Mar 6, 2012 1:17 PM

    question:

    given that the highest amount ive seen as a reward for successfully taking out another player (vilma offering 10k for knocking out favre) and the average fine for an unnecessary roughness penalty seems to start at 15-25k – who was paying the fines?

  97. CKL says: Mar 6, 2012 1:22 PM

    paleandpasty says:
    Mar 6, 2012 12:29 PM
    I just don’t understand how this is worse than Spygate. Spygate was blatant cheating by taping walk-throughs that were supposed to be private.
    –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
    I love when people who don’t even know what cameragate was try to talk about it. It’s so cute. The Pats never ever taped any walkthrough…ever. Walsh said he had tape then recanted, and never had ANY proof. Got it…ANY. But haters are going to believe what they want and not the truth.

    I feel bad for all you good Saints fans out there who are going to have to deal with woeful and deliberate ignorance for the rest of your lives on this topic . I feel your pain.

    Vacating SB wins is NONSENSE. If the Broncos didn’t have to do it when they had salary cap violations they were punished for with loss of draft picks…you know, salaries that actually control what players you can keep on your team and would correlate more directly to SB wins than ANYTHING involved with cameragate or this Saints topic would…then no one should ever vacate SB wins since THEY didn’t. In fact, one never hears about the Broncos cheating the cap and getting SBs partly due to it, do they? All we hear is “THIS ONE’S FOR JOHN” soundbites.

  98. hairpie says: Mar 6, 2012 1:22 PM

    paleandpasty says:
    Mar 6, 2012 12:29 PM
    I just don’t understand how this is worse than Spygate. Spygate was blatant cheating by taping walk-throughs that were supposed to be private.

    I just can not see the Saints getting penalized more than the Pats did. I do understand that the Saints will have more people penalized.

    Can someone please explain this.
    ——————————————-

    Im not sure if this is a joke, but i’ll play cause im slow at work. Spygate was NOT cheating any more than a holding call. The Pats taped 6 plays, a total of 23 seconds of tape from a non sanctioned location, in plain view of 70,000K people. You may recall ESPN’s humiliating special designed to blow the roof of Pats taping that was no more insightful than Geraldo investigating Al Capones vault. They were found to be lies and ESPN had to appologize along with the Boston paper that made up the story.

    As far as “Bounty-Gate”, paying players to intentionally injure other players DEFINITELY affects the outcome of a game, again, unlike Spygate. Alos, it is a violation of the salary cap, another form of cheating…. i could go on an on.

  99. ricksaints says: Mar 6, 2012 1:23 PM

    Can’t wait for this league to turn into the National Flag Football League. All u whinny football “fans” will be up in arms.

    If Goodell wants to protect the league have all the players in the NFL sign a waiver in their contracts that makes them aware that this job can cause injury that can affect them even after their playing games are over. And by signing this u cannot file a lawsuit against the league.

    If a player wants to play in the NFL and make money they will sign that contract.

  100. thesportgenius says: Mar 6, 2012 1:26 PM

    Its all about the biz boys & girls. Injuring stars reduces revenues because people pay to see the top players not the scrubs. Law suits reduce profits and players are now suing for damages. From a business standpoint player safety makes financial sense, end of story. From an athletic standpoint we all love to see tough physical play to the whistle and within the rules. Intentionally injuring someone has no place in sports. We can accept injuries in the course of a hard fought game but not intentional dirty play. I for one don’t want the $20M star of my team taken out on a cart because some juiced up goon got paid to injure him. Why is this difficult to understand? If a good clean hit results in an injury, so be it. But getting financially rewarded to do so makes it assault with intent to harm, That is a crime if you or I do it to a co-worker.

  101. The Prophet says: Mar 6, 2012 1:28 PM

    I’ll believe it when I see it. But Gregg Williams certainly has done enough to warrant a lifetime ban from the NFL. The crime of paying players to injure others affects the game more directly than any sort of steroid ring, videotaping of offensive signals, dog fighting, or house given to Reggie Bush’s mom. This is Goodell’s chance to show he means business and will give an actual punishment more than just a fine, no matter how big.

  102. mark921129 says: Mar 6, 2012 1:32 PM

    “Who dat? Who dat? Who dat say dey gonna beat dem Saints?

    Roger Goodell!”

    LOLOL beautiful!

  103. conormacleod says: Mar 6, 2012 1:32 PM

    Some people will never get it, and refuse to open their eyes. The NFL and Goodell knows that the NFL is about PR and about star players. Protecting star players is the right economic thing to do. Nobody is going overboard and saying this will make the NFL a “pansy league”. Like or not, openly paying somebody to hurt another player is not acceptable. And, there is a difference between paying for QB hits, INT’s, tackles, etc., and paying “to take a guy out”, or paying extra if you can get a guy “carted off”. Hockey is as violent as it gets. But, if it came out that a Coach told his team; “an extra $5k if you can give the other teams star a concussion”, then that would also be unacceptable. The Saints openly admit that there was a bounty of cash to the first guy that could injure Favre so he couldn’t complete the game.

  104. thesportgenius says: Mar 6, 2012 1:32 PM

    Plus, the Saints institutionalized it by having coaches administer the bounty system, were told to stop by the league and blew the commish off. That is why the Aints will see the wrath of Roger. That is like blowing off the Godfather. Heads are going to role as an example to any other smart guys who think they can ignore the league. Not a good idea to give the boss the finger.

  105. atrophiedambitions says: Mar 6, 2012 1:33 PM

    Can I just say that — despite the widespread conspiracy this is and how bad for the league it may be — I’m PSYCHED that the off-season is so exciting right now! This is great!

  106. macbull says: Mar 6, 2012 1:38 PM

    Did this Bounty investigation begin in the summer or fall of 2010?

    Did this investigation begin after players found out that the NFL had withheld information dating back to the 1920s?…Information that showed the NFL knew about the damaging affects that concussions had on the players brain?

    Goodell is trying to show how much the NFL cares about player safety, yet the NFL withheld information from the players about the harmful affects of concussions…withheld the information for 80 yrs?

    It has been said that the NFL warned the Saints 3 yrs ago about their bounty system…why no penalties at that time?…why now?

    Why now?…could it be because the NFL realizes they have legal liability concerning the concussion issue and they are attempting to show how much they care about the players safety?

    It will be interesting to see if Goodell started the bounty investigation after the players were made aware (in the summer of 2010) of the NFLs studies on concussions that dated back to the 1920s.

    If the NFL is really concerned about player safety, why haven’t they mandated the use of the ProCap, which virtually eliminated concussions for those players who have used the ProCap?

  107. freedomispopular says: Mar 6, 2012 1:39 PM

    Sean Payton: “I’m not a crook!”

  108. jetsjetsjetsjets says: Mar 6, 2012 1:41 PM

    the league needs to drop it!!!! if they keep pushing, or push the Saints too hard, they will push back.

    Pushing back means uncovering that every team does this. How can that be good. Let it go, or it will get VERY ugly fast!

  109. gmen1987 says: Mar 6, 2012 1:46 PM

    cwmorga says:
    Mar 6, 2012 1:08 PM
    This happens at every level of football, from Pop Warner to the NFL. Anyone appalled by what was going on in New Orleans knows very little the mindset of football players. They’re taught to hit the opponent as hard as they can and hopefully knock him out of the game LEGALLY. Not injure, but hurt. Every NFL quarterback knows that there’s a bounty on them on every snap, whether explicit or implied. Other positions as well, though none more so than QB.

    Then again, I think most people know that but are using this as an excuse to bag on a team that they already didn’t like (probably fans of other NFC South teams, in particular).

    ==================================
    Goobs, Hurt=injure. Both means the same thing, idiot.

    OLinemen should get bounties for every DL or LB they put out with the game with crack blocks. Funny how defensive players whine about this.

  110. hairpie says: Mar 6, 2012 1:48 PM

    One other important difference between this and Spygate, is that the Pats neither lied or tried to conceal what they were doing.

  111. wiley16350 says: Mar 6, 2012 1:48 PM

    You sound like Golic and all the other mouth breathers. He also has a responsibility to protect player safety so they don’t come back and sue the league like all the retired NFL’ers are who got hurt in the glory days. “I can’t walk or remember my name, better sue the league so they’ll take care of me.” Times change genius, Goodell is smart enough to see what he needs to do. It stinks, but it’s the lawyer happy society we’ve put ourselves in.
    ******************************************* Wrong, his ONLY responsibility is to the OWNERS, who employ him.
    *******************************************
    dude, you need to re-read what he wrote because he didn’t say that Goodell must protect player saftey for the players sake. He must protect the players for the owners sake to keep the players from coming back and suing the league. Which is actually happening and why Goodell has been on this player safety kick. All people want to do is blame Goodell for trying to take away the hitting and changing the game. But Goodell isn’t doing it because he wants a cleaner game or for any reason to benefit himself. He’s doing it to protect the league from future lawsuits. It’s the ex players that are causing these results. People need to stop blaming Goodell for ruining the league. It’s the players trying to sue the league that are at fault.

  112. nesfan1 says: Mar 6, 2012 1:48 PM

    Goodell is officially the worst commissioner the league has ever seen.

  113. belichickrulz says: Mar 6, 2012 1:52 PM

    “paleandpasty says: Mar 6, 2012 12:29 PM

    I just don’t understand how this is worse than Spygate. Spygate was blatant cheating by taping walk-throughs that were supposed to be private.

    I just can not see the Saints getting penalized more than the Pats did. I do understand that the Saints will have more people penalized.

    Can someone please explain this.”

    Sure. No one suffered a career-ending injury (or worse) due to Spygate. But that is the inevitable result of offering a bounty to encourage players to intentionally (and that’s the key word) harm another player. Football is brutal game and injuries will occur. But no one should be out there trying deliberately to cause such injuries, and teams certainly shouldn’t be rewarding them for doing so.

  114. realityking2 says: Mar 6, 2012 1:56 PM

    Don’t kid yourselves. This will all be massive PR (i.e., BS). This bounty system had to be NFL-wide, and if Goodell didn’t know about he, he should have. I don’t know which scenario is worse. The NFL is now officially and undeniably a bloodsport; that’s what most people watch it for. And it makes massive amounts of money for everyone involved, so everyone involved in the NFL looks away. All the talk last year by Goodell and the NFL in general about its concern for player safety, concussions in particular, is not only undermined by, but completely eviscerated by, this bounty scandal.

    I can no longer be an NFL fan.

  115. myspaceyourface says: Mar 6, 2012 1:56 PM

    Spygate > Bounty Hunters

    Bounty Hunters Punishment > Spygate Punishment

  116. howiegtr says: Mar 6, 2012 1:57 PM

    paleandpasty says:
    Mar 6, 2012 12:29 PM
    I just don’t understand how this is worse than Spygate. Spygate was blatant cheating by taping walk-throughs that were supposed to be private.

    I just can not see the Saints getting penalized more than the Pats did. I do understand that the Saints will have more people penalized.

    Can someone please explain this.

    ————————————————-
    Let’s say you’re playing cards with some friends that happen to include Bill Belicheck and Gregg Williams. Belicheck wins the first hand by looking at your hand in the mirror behind you. The cards are dealt in the next hand, all of a suddeh Williams takes a bat and breaks your legs then turns to Belicheck and pokes his eyes out. Williams says “I win!” while the ambulance takes you and Belicheck to the hospital. Get it now?

  117. psousa1 says: Mar 6, 2012 1:58 PM

    The difference between spy gate and this is with spy gate you had, according to Rex Ryan and the time (when he was with the Ravens) about 16 teams doing it. Jimmy Johnson, on Fox, said he did it with the Cowboys (stealing signals is as old as the game itself – they didn’t give QB’s and the LB the transmittors because the blue dots would look great on a helmet). It was league wide. The patriots were dumb enough to get caught after the memo went out. This is different. You are talking about trying to maim guys. Not find out if it is a blitz or a pass or whatever. Friggin maim someone.

  118. Steeler's Will says: Mar 6, 2012 1:58 PM

    I’m guessing large fines for all involved, Williams and maybe Payton suspended.

    Can the comparisons to Spygate please stop? The Saints’ dirty laundry in no way vindicates any other team of their past transgressions. “Play for Pay” isn’t even similar to Spygate.

  119. mark921129 says: Mar 6, 2012 2:00 PM

    I find it amusing how many Saints fans were calling for Suh’s head this year…too dirty this, too dirty that. Not so funny now that the shoe is on the other foot.

  120. sophiethegreatdane says: Mar 6, 2012 2:00 PM

    hairpie says: Mar 6, 2012 1:22 PM

    Im not sure if this is a joke, but i’ll play cause im slow at work. Spygate was NOT cheating any more than a holding call. The Pats taped 6 plays, a total of 23 seconds of tape from a non sanctioned location, in plain view of 70,000K people.

    ——————————–

    How convenient of you to leave out the other times they taped. They may have only gotten 23 seconds in that one game before they were told to knock it off, but let’s remember that they had been doing it prior to that one game, so much so that the league office had already warned them and told them to stop.

    If they really and truly derived no benefit from taping opposing team signals, then why did they do it?

    Chowderhead Pats “fans” — and I use that term loosely as there was no such thing prior to the Tom Brady era (jump on the Lobsta Bandwagon kiddies! It’s wicked fun up heah!) — never seem to be able to answer that question.

    If there was no benefit, why’d they do it?

  121. hairpie says: Mar 6, 2012 2:05 PM

    sophiethegreatdane says:
    Mar 6, 2012 2:00 PM
    hairpie says: Mar 6, 2012 1:22 PM

    Im not sure if this is a joke, but i’ll play cause im slow at work. Spygate was NOT cheating any more than a holding call. The Pats taped 6 plays, a total of 23 seconds of tape from a non sanctioned location, in plain view of 70,000K people.

    ——————————–

    How convenient of you to leave out the other times they taped. They may have only gotten 23 seconds in that one game before they were told to knock it off, but let’s remember that they had been doing it prior to that one game, so much so that the league office had already warned them and told them to stop.

    If they really and truly derived no benefit from taping opposing team signals, then why did they do it?

    Chowderhead Pats “fans” — and I use that term loosely as there was no such thing prior to the Tom Brady era (jump on the Lobsta Bandwagon kiddies! It’s wicked fun up heah!) — never seem to be able to answer that question.

    If there was no benefit, why’d they do it?

    —————————————-

    It wasnt “convenient” of me to leave that off, the rule wasnt enforced until that season. The very game prior, in the playoffs of all things, the Jets were caught taping in Foxboro. Theres a reason Goddell sent a memo to EVERY TEAM to stop. (You conveniently felt that out). the “benefit” is being able to time your opposition coaches signals and potentially get an illegal substitution penalty.

  122. mjkelly77 says: Mar 6, 2012 2:09 PM

    Goodell is really gonna slap some peepee on this one.

  123. nflfollower says: Mar 6, 2012 2:10 PM

    Personally I can’t wait for the hammer to come down. It’s like when your brother was doing something stupid and pissing u off and then your old man catches him and is about to whup on him. Feels like that sorta.

  124. dyims says: Mar 6, 2012 2:11 PM

    Once again or still I should say, imbeciles like the obnoxiousidiot and others love to twist what the Pats did to fit what they THINK happened. The league investigated it and the league KNOWS what happened unlike the obnoxiousidiot. If the obnoxiousidiot and others would stop thinking with the area they sit on and actually try to exercise what little brain cells they have, they might actually arrive at the truth (not the truth they think it is.)

  125. rc33 says: Mar 6, 2012 2:14 PM

    Chowderhead Pats “fans” — and I use that term loosely as there was no such thing prior to the Tom Brady era (jump on the Lobsta Bandwagon kiddies! It’s wicked fun up heah!) — never seem to be able to answer that question.

    If there was no benefit, why’d they do it?
    ———————————

    Give it up.
    This is about Greg Williams and the Saints, capeesh?

    As it is, here’s hoping you’re still sweating bullets and losing sleep over Spygate 10 years from now.
    I dunno…maybe you ought to move on with your life.

  126. Steeler's Will says: Mar 6, 2012 2:15 PM

    howiegtr says:
    “Let’s say you’re playing cards with some friends that happen to include Bill Belicheck and Gregg Williams. Belicheck wins the first hand by looking at your hand in the mirror behind you. The cards are dealt in the next hand, all of a suddeh Williams takes a bat and breaks your legs then turns to Belicheck and pokes his eyes out. Williams says “I win!” while the ambulance takes you and Belicheck to the hospital. Get it now?”

    —————-
    +1000

  127. hairpie says: Mar 6, 2012 2:16 PM

    @ sophiethegreatdane, its funny you say Pats fans never seem to be able to explain WHY the Pats taped… I have never heard one of the haters explain WHAT THE BENIFIT of taping is. What is the advantage? We know signals are concealed on the field, we know different players or coaches use a different indicator every play, we know the signals change constantly…. if someone was relying on tape and you knew it, wouldnt you use that against them?

    Anyway, please explain the huge benefit the Pats got by sending a 24 year old liberal arts major to tape something in plain view of 70,000K people that couldnt be used in game.

  128. zn0rseman says: Mar 6, 2012 2:18 PM

    Even of the Saints were forced to give up all of their draft picks, the Vikings are still the losers and yhe Saints come out on top because it’s the Saints who have a Lombardi Trophy.

  129. themonster49 says: Mar 6, 2012 2:22 PM

    “jcusa514 says:
    Mar 6, 2012 12:15 PM
    Williams – suspended indefinitely
    Payton – 4-6 games or cash fine
    Loomis – $250,000 fine
    Vilma – 4-6 games
    Saints – 2012 draft picks forfeited”

    That still is not enough to satisfy my anger.

  130. touchdownroddywhite says: Mar 6, 2012 2:26 PM

    ebeg420 says:Mar 6, 2012 12:21 PM

    I thought it was Percocet?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Either way the guy’s a druggie…

  131. urworstnitemare58 says: Mar 6, 2012 2:27 PM

    Roger Goodell is just licking his chops knowing he is going to get his hands on a big wad of sweaty cash. I’m willing to bet he takes a cut from every fine he hands out. He is ruining the game with all his stupid fines.

  132. sasquash20 says: Mar 6, 2012 2:29 PM

    I hate R.Goodell. I hate all you sissy fantasy football fans who didn’t really care about football before fantasy football as well. The league has gone soft just like all you patsies who clearly never played organized football in your life. This bounties thing is being way overblown. Just like all of GoodfornothingGoodell saftey moves. In my opinion he is the worst comish ever in any sport ever. But you all love him because your a bunch of tinker bells!

  133. cwmorga says: Mar 6, 2012 2:29 PM

    @gmen1987 says: Mar 6, 2012 1:46 PM

    Goobs, Hurt=injure. Both means the same thing, idiot.

    OLinemen should get bounties for every DL or LB they put out with the game with crack blocks. Funny how defensive players whine about this.

    ———————–

    No, hurt is to inflict pain. Not all pain is the result of an injury. Would you classify a player who had to leave the game because he had the wind knocked out of him as “injured”?

  134. olskool711 says: Mar 6, 2012 2:31 PM

    Goodell is bad!

    OK, I get it.

    I am always looking for things to complain about when it comes to “the man.”

    Tell me once again, why is he bad?

    I want to dislike him and be angry about his changes.

    I guess his changes to the some of the hits and tackles have fundementally changed the game of football. OK, that is bad.

    But, I don’t see the change that all of you say you see. I occasionally notice a Linebacker or Safety pull up a little on the tackle. In some cases, possibly I notice that maybe he took the ballcarrier down a little differently than he would have a few years ago. But, I don’t see a fundamental change in the game. So, I need your enlightenment.

    The game of football actually still looks the same -at least to the people yelling and screaming in my living room and me.

    I imagine that Steeler fan misses Harrison smashing his forehead into Josh Cribb’s temple or blindside smashing Massaquois head off, but Harrison still provides that cheap shot Steeler fan has grown to love – reference ripping his helmet into the back of McCoy’s head. I’m trying to figure out what Goodell has done to victimize Harrison and Steeler nation. They are so tough – as long as the opponent isn’t looking. Now we have the Saints and Redskin fans telling us how “real” football is being ruined by this spoilsport.

    I played football. I’ve been pancaked, blasted, and actually delivered some good hits. I really appreciate a great, solid tackle.

    The issue of using the rules to make the game safer for the guys playing it seems like a good idea to me. I don’t wan’t to see the game change, but I can’t argue that the game has really changed that much. Certainly not enough to make me concerned.

    So, real man’s football requires helmet to helmet hits. Requires Harrison cheapshots. Requires taking shots at the sides of guys knees. Requires hitting Farve late after every play. This is what is requried in order to not be wussies? Must be, because it seems to me those are the only changes that I see. Funny, I don’t miss them all that much.

    Bottom line, I will always look at this issue, I always have, from the vantage point of how I felt when watching a recent interview with Earl Campbell. Campbell was a member of a division rival and he always made life hell for opponents. To see him barely able to talk without drooling all over himself shook me up pretty good.

    Whenever I read some of you guy’s “all knowing” indignation on how this clean up is ruining football, Earl Campbell’s interview comes to mind.

    And, I then dismiss most everything you say.

  135. footballfan292 says: Mar 6, 2012 2:37 PM

    Hey Saints fans…. Say good-bye to your draft picks!

    And Gregg Williams…say hello to the unemployment line!

  136. marcinhouston says: Mar 6, 2012 2:39 PM

    Goodell is attacking the city of New Orleans, smearing the city by portraying it with an exaggerated mark as a ‘violent slum city,’ by putting all the blame and spotlight on the Saints for something that there is every indication is very common in many other NFL franchises. There was a TV show called K-Ville that did this, and it got canceled and off TV quick. I don’t know why Gooddell wants to throw New Orleans under the bus while giving a free pass to the corruption in Washington DC.

  137. gotampabay52 says: Mar 6, 2012 2:40 PM

    voodoo & karama take down the saints who dat know its who is that guess when u sleep with your sis words come out differently

  138. orbearider66 says: Mar 6, 2012 2:45 PM

    I bet, deep down inside, Goodell is a little disappointed that it was the Saints that got caught and not the Steelers.

    Imagine what would happen if it was James Harrison who offered the $10K rather than Vilma.

  139. iamwhodat says: Mar 6, 2012 2:46 PM

    We still have the best offense in football, point blank. Sean Payton didnt call plays or make the gameplan, our OC Pete Carmichael did. Our defense wasnt any good last year to begin with, they only can get better. We were planning on cutting Vilma anyway and G.Williams is already gone. If Payton is suspended for the year so what.. Slide Spags over as the interim HC for the year and have Carmichael call the plays on offense just like he did last year. As for as draft picks… who cares… we didnt particularly draft great in the 1st 2 rounds to begin with. i.e Colston 7th, Nicks 3rd, Evans 5th Pierre Thomas undrafted, Lance Moore undrafted.. So the machine will continue to tick. Next year the NFL might think we have a bounty system on offense, b/c the Saints will diffently run up the score on teams next season. Who dat

  140. cmarsh64 says: Mar 6, 2012 2:47 PM

    To those who say there is no difference in rewarding a college players with a sticker for a big hit ask this question? Can you pay a bill with that sticker? NO…But hundreds or thousands of dollars for a hit or injury you can plus the additional income could put a team over the CAP. In addition if that income isn’t reported the IRS will get involved and when Vilma offers 10k to knockout Farve in the NFC Championship game and it happens and huge amounts of money are paid out according to Fajita the Saints LB in 2009.Spygate was wrong,but this is wrong on so many levels and Williams lied to Goodell and the Saints where told to stop and ignored the NFL…they will pay for all of it severely.
    3 yrs ban for Williams
    1 yr ban for Payton
    Loomis huge fine
    Vilma max fine and 8 games susp.
    Benson max fine
    And the loss of draft picks over the next 3 yers 2 draft picks per year within the 1st 4 rounds total of 6 draft picks and no Franchise tag for 3 years 1 year for each year the bounty was run.This will send a message loud and clear.

  141. chiadam says: Mar 6, 2012 3:05 PM

    Karras flourished after being banned for a year. He was on Webster! Anyway, this article doesn’t even get into the booster that was funding the bounties (he’s the same guy that bought Reggie Bush a house and obliterated USC); the fact that said booster is a close friend of renowned assbag Sean Payton; or that Payton had been warned several times to stay away from the guy by the league. Now you have a bounty plan WITH possible gambling connections. Huzzah! Better get those bags out of the closet, NOLA. Goodell is cleaning you out.

  142. hendawg21 says: Mar 6, 2012 3:25 PM

    marcinhouston says:
    Mar 6, 2012 2:39 PM
    Goodell is attacking the city of New Orleans, smearing the city by portraying it with an exaggerated mark as a ‘violent slum city,’ by putting all the blame and spotlight on the Saints for something that there is every indication is very common in many other NFL franchises. There was a TV show called K-Ville that did this, and it got canceled and off TV quick. I don’t know why Gooddell wants to throw New Orleans under the bus while giving a free pass to the corruption in Washington DC.

    Really please, why Washington hasn’t Gregg been in Buffalo, Tennessee, Jacksonville as well…see the problem is they helped N.O. win a Super Bowl after Katrina put them on the map and on a pedestal like they were holier than though, and then Who Dey just went crazy…N.O. is getting this treatment because they were the team that got busted investigated and told to stop and continued to do so…NOT Washington nor Buffalo, Tennessee or Jacksonville….

  143. domeinate says: Mar 6, 2012 3:26 PM

    Will Goodell even look at SF who actually does hurt and injure players or will he just look at those who bragged that they would but didn’t???

  144. melikefootball says: Mar 6, 2012 3:39 PM

    Well we will see if God-del has the you know what, to really come down hard on Williams, peyton as well as the Saints on this one. He had no problem fining big time players as well as suspension for players making unnecessary hits on the field these guys promoted and pay for taking out players.

  145. blspears says: Mar 6, 2012 3:52 PM

    Goodels legacy in a nutshell. He Sucks

  146. hairpie says: Mar 6, 2012 3:57 PM

    Sadly, again… no haters can explain the benefit the Pats gained from taping those 6 plays.
    :(

  147. blspears says: Mar 6, 2012 3:59 PM

    This is all over blown, not a big deal. They are paid to be aggressive and physical every play. Atleast Roger can drag it out along time and get some publicity because thats what he is all about.

  148. olskool711 says: Mar 6, 2012 6:13 PM

    I don’t see this as being about Goodell.

    You guys are just reaching. Some pretty irrational crap going on here.

    This is about the players and the game.

    Wonder if college football fans would like Goodell to take over administrating that?

    What about the NBA?

    How about if Goodell replaced the nutbar at FIFA? The game would probably pick up 3 billion in revenue in the first year and the on field product would probably improve immensely.

    The NFL is the best sports league in the world for a reason. I don’t see Goodell as the problem; I see nutjob yahoo’s who react without thinking as the only problem. That and the owner of the Cleveland Browns.

  149. theytukrjobs says: Mar 7, 2012 12:00 AM

    Strip them of the trophy. Better to not win a super bowl at all than to win one like that. Dirty cheats.

  150. paulienuts says: Mar 7, 2012 12:19 AM

    LOL. You guys think you actually KNOW something. Giving your wish list scenarios. Williams should get this much time. Payton this. Loomis, Vilma and let’s just suspend the entire team.

    What profound jerks. You don’t know squat. Those are your wishes based upon how you DON’T want to face the Saints in 2012.

    The suspensions will be staggered. The fines will be significant but not so much that any fan would notice. So get a grip and wait for the other shoe to fall as YOUR team gets called up for the same damn thing.

    What morons.

  151. monkeesfan says: Mar 7, 2012 11:59 AM

    Goodell keeps talking about “changing the culture of the game.” What the hell does that mean? Goodell hasn’t even tried to explain what a “different” football culture looks like. All he does is whine about hard hits and speak out of both sides about “player safety” as if there ACTUALLY is a safety issue – don’t cite injured ex-players; they have to accept responsibility for their injuries; if Kevin Turner or whoever has ALS, I’m sorry, that’s the player’s responsibility; this wasn’t inflicted on him by a faceless “football culture” or by some “bounty” program.

    Roger Goodell is furious because he does not understand the sport over which he presides – he showed that in Spygate by refusing to understand league bylaws (which showed Belichick was well within his game rights to videotape from the sidelines) and now he shows it by treating legitimate football hitting as some kind of criminal act (and not knowing the difference between clean hits and dirty hits).

  152. cgarsmoker says: Mar 8, 2012 2:31 PM

    The ignorance of Saints fans is completely shocking to me……What is so hard to understand? A two time felon who isn’t officially part of the Saints organization contributed money to the pool of cash paid to Saints players to injure opposing players.

    Would it be okay if college boosters paid players for injuring opponents?

    Would it be okay for parents to fund payments to high school kids for injuring opponents?

    Would it be okay all defensive players in the NFL or the NFLPA to fund a program where cash payments are paid to anyone who can knock an opposing QB out of a game?

    Of course not…..the answer is obvious and only an idiot would try to justify this behavior. The Saints coaching staff was wrong and the Saints players were wrong…..all of them will be severely punished and they should be punished. It’s hard enough to stay healthy in the NFL without some moron trying to take out your knees so he can get an extra $1,000 bonus.

  153. rushmatic says: Mar 8, 2012 9:47 PM

    jenniferxxx says:
    Mar 6, 2012 12:12 PM
    Turning point! So they’re not going to destroy all the evidence and cover it all up … like Spygate? Incredible …

    ____________________

    If you think legally taping from an illegal part of the field is on par with this, you should switch to golf.

  154. goldsteel says: Mar 9, 2012 12:42 AM

    Well, Roger that is what’s important to the sport, YOUR LEGACY. Commissioner you might as well ruin the upcoming season with fines and suspensions. Maybe the Saints won’t be able to field a team because of you. Go ahead genius and do your worst.

    This bounty business is a non story. How many starters from the opposing teams were taken out of the game in the past three seasons? My point is the bounties were ineffective. The Saints had a mediocre defensive team and a mediocre defensive coach that couldn’t motivate his players.

  155. hairpie says: Mar 9, 2012 9:16 PM

    I just hope Goddell doesnt destroy the evidence to protect other teams like he did in Spygate after leaking footage to his wife at Fox.

  156. squealerweasel says: Mar 10, 2012 8:36 AM

    Everyone says this isn’t as bad as the media is making this out to be, but I will say this and then will go back under my rock. This is BIG!!, with coaches and players contributing to fund which pays players based on game changing “plays”(sacks, ints, TFL’s, etc.) not because its morally wrong, but it circumvents the salary cap. We have no idea just how much money went out every week to players based on their performance, but that is what contract incentives and playtime bonuses at the end of the year are for, if this was a fund for “knocking opposing playmakers from the game” then suspensions beyond a season must be on the table. Now, if the allegations of “outside money”(see: http://mike-freeman.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6264363/35066335) coming in to fund these bounties are true, this leaves the field of BIG and becomes HUMONGOUS. The potential to affect the outcome of an “NFL contest” by contributing a bounty fund is so damaging to the integrity of the game, the implications are frightning. Here is a example: If I bet heavily on NFL games($100,000) and I have knowledge that there is a bounty of a certain amount on a certain player, why wouldn’t I bet accordingly. If I can “hedge” my bet, by contributing to the fund I’m all in. If the NFL has concluded this investigation, trust me it travels down corridors the NFL does not want to be associated with.

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