Look people: It was a GREAT LEGAL hit on a RB who had lowered his head to get into the endzone. Yes, it was Helmet to helmet, but Saints fans seem to think that only THEIR player is allowed to put his head down. I guess WHitner was just supposed to let Thomas put his head in his chest adn let him score. Whitner wasn’t trying to hurt him, he was trying to knowck the hell out of him to keep him out of the endzone.

Moreover, Saints fans who complain about that completely gloss over the 18 blitzes on 21 snaps in the first PRESEASON game after a lockout and the play in which Roman Harper put the crown of his helmet in Alex Smiths chin on a blitz.

Whitner knocked Thomas out ona a 100% LEGAL hit. Helmet-to-helmet is LEGAL when he has established himself as a ball carrier.

Get. Over. It. You lost and now you are exposed.

I will type this response slow as anyone can see you have serious issues and comprehending plain English is a challenge for you!

1) I am not suggesting anything, I am stating the facts!

2) The NFL admitted that the officiating in that game was horrid, as you can plainly read in my first post.

3) The Vikings have suffered damages because of the Saints illegal bounty on opposing team’s players.

4) I think the Vikings and other teams that were affected by these illegal bounties deserve to receive compensation from the Saints. The Vikings are definitely in line for a few #1 draft picks from the Saints.

5) The Saints should be forced to return the Lombardi Trophy, which is ill gotten booty.

6) I am not merely a fan of the Vikings but a fan of the NFL! Leave it to the Saints to taint the NFL. Btw… Taint means spoil, contaminate, infect, ruin, poison!

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boobsmcgoo says:
Mar 7, 2012 11:36 PM

Are you suggesting there is an NFL conspiracy against the Vikings and in favor of the Saints?
Or are you suggesting the Saints’ bounty system gave them a competitive advantage?

Vikings, get a clue, you don’t have a dog in this fight. The Saints are in trouble because they broke league rules and lied about it, not because they abused Brett Fav-ruh.

Oh and the Saints’ Lombardi trophy isn’t going anywhere. If you want to see what it looks like, just hop on Fred Smoot’s Booze Cruise Love Boat and float on down the Mississippi River to take a look at it. That’s as close as you’re going to get!

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krw81 says:
Mar 7, 2012 10:07 PM

The Vikings found a way to lose the 2009 NFC Championship game as a team with a history of bad luck, five turnovers and some questionable officiating. The NFL has admitted that the officiating crew blew 9 calls during regular time all in favor of the Saints. In over-time there were a total of 12 plays 5 of which were reviewed by the booth and all called in favor of the Saints! If it sounds like a duck and it walks like a duck it probably is a duck. That game was gift wrapped and given to the Saints!

Now it comes to light that the Saints placed a bounty on Favre! The punishment for the Saints organization, personnel and players must be severe!!!

1st round pick – gone
G. Williams – 1 mill gone and 2 year suspension
S. Payton – fired and 500k gone
Saints – 500k fine
Let’s be realistic and not go overboard.

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I would say trying to possibly end a guys career for as little as a lousy $1000 is going way overboard and deserves a response in kind.

I would modify your recommendations to include:

Two concurrent 1st rounders – gone.

If the owner had blown the whistle to the league when he found out about it I would not have the team itself penalized at all. But he didn’t.

And all fines go to address player health benefits.

If Gregg Williams isn’t coaching it should be because he is a lousy coach. Not because of the bounties. I’ve never been impressed with the current Saints defenses.

I wouldn’t be surprised at suspensions for the coaches but think of how unfair that would be to the guys who have to fill in for a year or whatever length the suspension is. This isn’t like suspending a player. The only way I could see a long suspension for a coach is if the replacement gets his salary also. And I doubt highly that a suspension would be lifetime. Though Goodell talks of “higher standards” for coaches and staff, I can’t imagine that he would remove someone’s livelihood permanently when he didn’t remove the livelihood (and in fact was active in guiding the re-entry to the NFL) of Vick, who is a felon convicted of GAMBLING RELATED offenses.

There has been an uptick in the number of match-fixing reports being claimed—partially because of a couple fishy World Cup bids that were approved without much of a premise–particularly the 2022 WC in which Qatar beat the United States (and England lost the 2018 bid)…unexpectedly. There were lots of deals that were handed out, and people paid for votes. But at the same time, FIFA decided to step up its efforts on match-fixing to probably save its own image.

There had been a number of case in which games were thrown—like the Calciopoli saga which saw Juventus get relegated and Inter escape punishment, and “fake friendlies” being set up like the one between a fake “Togo” team and Bahrain. In fact, Bahrain was once again involved very recently in another case that could be considered match fixing, in which it crushed Indonesia 10-0. The Bahrainians need to win and make up a 10-goal difference, and for Qatar to lose its match, in order to advance to the Fourth Round of AFC World Cup Qualifying. Indonesia had already been mathematically eliminated from qualifying for the next round–so it was a mop-up round for them. The general odds for Bahrain making up that 10-goal difference are not good. (Think of it like trying to make up a 75-pt differential if pts scored meant making the playoffs or not.) Because the odds weren’t good, the amount of money to be made betting could be high if this result were to happen. And players (probably on the Indonesian side) could have been paid a good amount of money to play really poorly (more like a team that did not make it to that qualifying round, for instance Palestine or Macau). If that Bahrain-Indonesia match is indeed investigated, and they find some people connected to throwing the game in that way (though Qatar did not cooperate), it would probably result in Indonesia being banned from international competition for some time, much like Togo was initially after the “fake team” incident.

As another example (to show that disbanding the club is a possible penalty), there was a Finnish soccer team (Tampere United) that had to disband because a Singapore crime syndicate had paid a number of the players on the team (all of them foreign; six Zambians and two Georgians) to throw a number of games in the Finnish top soccer league.

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As for football, there was a recent documentary on E#PN about youth football in Miami, and how kids were being paid by varying levels of drug dealers and gangsters for big hits, or to throw a game a certain way, or to make a tackle or a sack to meet a line. It is also even sadder because many of the kids who get talked into playing this way by the gangs may leave football to join them, or get shot. With some security measure in place to try to stop the gangsters from fixing the youth football league matches, maybe they could save some of the young talent. (If for some reason an NFL team could establish a residency academy for these young players, where they are housed, fed, and educated at these academies for free, it would advance the NFL game a lot farther, and it would keep kids that know they could be good at football, at least in one area of the country, off the streets.

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Onto the case at hand. I feel bad for the city of New Orleans that they allowed such scumbags to fool the system by putting bounties on QBs that would change the game–if successful. The bounties, in actuality, do not change much in the game other than make the offensive (or defensive) player slightly more intimidated to hit the ‘hitting player’ and allows the bounty-team to win one-on-one battles a little easier.

But Goodell’s concern is safety–and that so mostly to save youth participation in football in the coming years against heated competition from sports where concussions are not the biggest concern (quite yet)–soccer, outdoor lacrosse, basketball, swimming, or even baseball or cricket to some extent. And it’s youth participation that’s going to determine if the sport is going to stay relevant in a generation or two.

And the other part of the concern is a very natural one–as in are the games legitimate? Is the sport, at least for the time, keeping evil people and unnecessary vice/corruption out? (I am not talking about chicken/beer or porn in the locker room. I am talking about fixing games, sexual crimes (in some cases–molestation–others,kidnapping and prostituting women, other cases, selling illicit drugs (see Sam Hurd)) and being connected to an empire which kills people for no reason (other than being bystanders, or looking someone the wrong way).

But even then, everyone goes into football (or ice hockey), or MMA, or boxing, or wrestling, or rugby accepting the risk that they are going to suffer a nasty injury (like with any other sport) that could affect them years down the road. It’s like asking, do young men and women still sign up for the military knowing that they could be killed, or they could be home one day not able to escape the war they fought?

And if the bounties are rid of for good, what sort of motivation tactics will be left? Commitment to the logo on the helmet–I guess and not the name on the back of the jersey.

It’s a rhetorical qu

I can see them both getting a year at least…

Or, if Goodell is REALLY mad he’ll make them move to Pittsfield!

1st round pick – gone
G. Williams – 1 mill gone and 2 year suspension
S. Payton – fired and 500k gone
Saints – 500k fine
Let’s be realistic and not go overboard.
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i know however cannot b helped when u have a story
about it every five minutes throwing gas on the fire.
here its all about the click$.

I just wrote a post about that, but I talked about James Harrison instead.

The officials noticed his hits were illegal before he even made them.

Why did they not notice the Saints hits?

Now it comes to light that the Saints placed a bounty on Favre! The punishment for the Saints organization, personnel and players must be severe!!!
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Are you suggesting there is an NFL conspiracy against the Vikings and in favor of the Saints?
Or are you suggesting the Saints’ bounty system gave them a competitive advantage?

Vikings, get a clue, you don’t have a dog in this fight. The Saints are in trouble because they broke league rules and lied about it, not because they abused Brett Fav-ruh.

Oh and the Saints’ Lombardi trophy isn’t going anywhere. If you want to see what it looks like, just hop on Fred Smoot’s Booze Cruise Love Boat and float on down the Mississippi River to take a look at it. That’s as close as you’re going to get!

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… never mind.

Also, the NFL apparently has documentation of how much Ornstein contributed. They will turn it over to the IRS, because the NFL has no other way to punish him. I’m not sure what the IRS would call it or if it’s a felony, but it might be conspiracy to avoid paying income tax. He’s got big problems. The IRS will lean on him to get cooperation, because he will not want to go back to jail again.

The Saints go out and actually try to injure players. In the Vikings game, they hit Favre on almost every play.

In the 2 years following, I noticed that their defensive backs consistently hit helmet to helmet on defenseless players. At the very least, they launched an awful lot. I’m not even joking–I actually wrote to Peter King about it because I felt that James Harrison was getting a bad rap.

As you might guess, I’m a Steelers fan. I make no excuses for Harrison’s style of play.

But he actually got suspended! How did no Saints defender not receive the same treatment? How did the Saints avoid $75,000 fines?

Why did the officials and the NFL notice Harrison’s style of play was unsafe, but they didn’t notice that the Saints style of play was unsafe until they conducted an investigation?

I’m only using Harrison as an example. What I’m trying to get at is this: Theleague should have taken notice of the Saints a lot sooner than this.

They notice Harrison and Suh; how could they miss 11 guys on one defense?

Suspicious enough to flag the Saints, for no other reason other than the distinct possibility that they could have lost control of the game. Any team aware of a bounty against their star players could have started a brawl on the field.

I watched some games where the Raiders were flagged two or three times in the same drive for some pitiful holding call which happened on the other side of the field. They threw flags every other play in some drives of a few games. Hue was losing his mind. It is arguable that the NFL penalty record which was “earned” by the Raiders this yr was the final straw in Hue’s head coaching career in Oakland. It was ridiculous.

Yet, they never noticed anything curious in the Saints’ games? Gimme a break.

When you consider some of the idiotic, game-clinching penalty flags the officials shamelessly threw this yr alone, is it not odd that they did not see anything untoward in any of the Saints’ games?

Jus’ sayin’

With the gambling/unethical outside influence effecting the outcome of the games during the Saints “championship” year, the league needs to remove the term “World Champion New Orleans Saints” from all their books.

If I were any player that was injured during a game against the Saints in the past few years, you better bet I’d be lawyering up and going after that cash cow. Sue the player(s) involved in the injury. Sue Williams, Sue the guy handing the money under the table (inciting violence against me), Sue Payton since he was well aware of it, and Sue the owner since he knew it was happening and didn’t put a stop to it.

Here is why outside money takes this to another level:
With outside money, it’s pretty blatantly obvious that this was a huge gambling racket. People were influencing the outcomes of games to make money.

Get a pool, have Ornstein give them to the Saints, take out Favre and all the people who bet on the Saints to win make a lot of money.

If this is the case, watch the feds get involved, the Senate, and who knows who else might involved. In this case the Saints will face a MASSIVE penalty.
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About a huge gambling racket. I 100% agree with you, but the entire NFL league is a huge organized gambling racket. Bets placed all over the country especially by bookies in Las Vegas put millions on games and playoffs. Every game is paid off to win or lose depending on the odds.(Your team too) The 2010 playoffs when the Saints lost to the Seahawks – you think they were so strong all season then just played like lil sissies and lost?? The game was fixed to that outcome. The Saints losing to the Rams this past season- another fixed game to allow the high betting aganist the odds to rake in millions to the mobs. You are all being taken if you think games are not fixed.