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Bounty punishment won’t include Saints losing Super Bowl win

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When reading Peter King’s excellent item for Sports Illustrated regarding the Saints’ bounty program, a thought crossed my mind in connection with Commissioner Roger Goodell’s reaction to the situation.

Holy crap he may take away their Super Bowl win.

I brushed it off, like so many other things that cross my mind, as ridiculous.  But then I thought about it some more.

The NCAA has vacated national titles for things far less serious than paying players to attempt to injure opponents.  Moreover, there’s a distinctly Machiavellian quality to owner Tom Benson’s decision to keep coach Sean Payton and G.M. Mickey Loomis.

Who cares what they did?  They won the Super Bowl. 

And so if the ends justify the means, a fitting consequence could be to take away the ends.

But we can officially end any such discussion.  The potential consequences for the violation, we’re told, will be limited to those expressly identified in the league’s press release of March 2:  fines, suspensions, and forfeiture of draft picks.

Vacating games or taking away titles isn’t on the table.  The Saints will have to write a large check to the league, and the Saints will be prevented from writing a name on a card during one or more rounds of the 2012 (and maybe 2013) draft.  That’s it.

And so while it would have been fun to stage a Best of Times-style Super Bowl XLIV, with Brett Favre playing the role of Reno Hightower in a rematch of a game that never was played, the outcome will stand.

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68 Responses to “Bounty punishment won’t include Saints losing Super Bowl win”
  1. Jason Douglas says: Mar 8, 2012 4:16 PM

    If the NFL would not vacate games for the Patriots Spygate, there was never a chance of that happening in the Saints Bountygate.

  2. staugslugga says: Mar 8, 2012 4:16 PM

    You can’t take away a super bowl for hits that were disciplined by the nfl using their rule book.

    If a personal foul that injures another qb merits awarding points that team, then put it in the rules.

  3. snaponrules says: Mar 8, 2012 4:17 PM

    If they took away superbowl wins for things like this, Brady/Belicheat would have 0 trophies.
    The NFL has pretty much set a standard. If they catch you cheating after the fact, you keep the title. Doesn’t matter if you used it to win the superbowl or not.

  4. richsaint says: Mar 8, 2012 4:18 PM

    I know people will call me nuts. What I would do if I were the Commish and trying to deter this to NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN I would levy a punishment that fits the crime. With this being a Salary Cap violation I would take away a portion of the Saints Salary cap for the next 2 seasons.
    I know what your saying the NFL PA will never allow this, so take away whatever you determine it to be 10 million, 15 million whatever and distribute it throughout the remaining teams evenly so the saints are at a disadvantage and the players dont suffer.
    You can say what you want about the Fines/Draft picks that the saints will lose, but in reality did it do anything to Tom and the Patriots when they lost draft picks? They missed the playoffs one time, when Brady was injured and they still went 11-5.

  5. sgtr0c says: Mar 8, 2012 4:19 PM

    Since winning the SB means the last pick in the first round of the draft. And teams play players and coaches a lot more per year then whatever the fine will be. The message to me is cheat your butt off, and just pay the extra money (not against the cap) and win the Super Bowl. An arguement could easily be made that the money from your fan base (and new fans from SB) will definatly cover the cost of the fine.

    I think whatever the fine is, it should count as double against your cap the following year or two. That would even it up a bit. The way you described as dictated by the NFL is saying to just go ahead and cheat, win the SB, the rest will take care of it self.

    What do the bookies think of a team cheating to the SB? Is it OK? Every team should just cheat.

  6. gadgetdawg says: Mar 8, 2012 4:19 PM

    The potential consequences for the violation, we’re told, will be limited to those expressly identified in the league’s press release of March 2: fines, suspensions, and forfeiture of draft picks.

    —————————————–

    I don’t think they should lose their SB win either but I still consider that sentence a shame if true.

    If all the reports I have read are true and Mr Williams did this at multiple teams over many years, then I do believe he deserves a lifetime ban and not a simple suspension.

    I guess we will see what happens.

  7. colt2011 says: Mar 8, 2012 4:20 PM

    Hopefully HUGE fines and LONG suspensions. Forfeiture of draft picks is suitable too, just as it was for New England. Send a message.

  8. bozosforall says: Mar 8, 2012 4:28 PM

    The same penalty as the Pats got for Spygate, no more.

  9. pgui88 says: Mar 8, 2012 4:31 PM

    As it should be except that there are at least a handful of teams which should get punished along with the Saints. But won’t.

  10. reasonsimadrunk says: Mar 8, 2012 4:34 PM

    Let’s keep this in perspective people. The Saints didn’t cheat. They may have played dirty because they were rewarded for doing such, but I’m not 100% convinced they went above and beyond the usual brutality of the game in the process. If you’re willing to hurt a guy to get $1,000, you’d hurt him to get to the Super Bowl, or just to win on a Sunday. And most guys in the NFL are willing to do just that.

    Violations of salary cap rules? Unintentionally. Violations of tax code? Yeah, when we start recording our winnings in Vegas or the office pool, we can ride that high horse. Definitely not “cheating”

  11. marcinhouston says: Mar 8, 2012 4:34 PM

    If they took away Super Bowl wins for this kind of stuff, the Patriots might break even. Buddy Ryan was the defensive coordinator of the 85 Bears and in every city that people have looked so far, Buddy Ryan defenses have used bounties. Gregg Williams learned bounties from Buddy Ryan. So what do you want to do, have the 85 Pats do the Super Bowl Shuffle?

  12. brianbosworthisstonecold says: Mar 8, 2012 4:34 PM

    Take away the Patty-Cakes Trophies first, then go on and take it away from N.O.

    Just say No to the Aint’s

  13. profootballwalk says: Mar 8, 2012 4:34 PM

    snaponrules says:
    Mar 8, 2012 4:17 PM
    If they took away superbowl wins for things like this, Brady/Belicheat would have 0 trophies.
    ———————————————–

    Colts fans don’t have much to be happy about these days.

  14. cursedvikingfan says: Mar 8, 2012 4:51 PM

    My god. Fine ‘em, suspend ‘em. Kick Gregg Williams out of the league and better yet, the horrible officials for that ’09 Championship game. This is getting old and tiresome. We get it, we understand what happened, let’s move on. To even think of the Saints losing their SB win is ludicrous. What’s done is done and nothing can change history. The Saints franchise is eating a lot of dirt right now and let’s leave it at that.

    Oh yeah and memo to some of my delusional Vikings fans, just because the outcome might have been different in the championship game doesn’t necessarily mean the Vikes would’ve won the SB. Favre was beaten up, we lost our best CB in Griffin and Brad Childress was still the head coach. Let it GO!

  15. dvdman123 says: Mar 8, 2012 4:58 PM

    To even think that was even a remote possibility is beyond ridiculous. If the Patriots only penalty was the loss of a number pick then I see no reason why the Saints should be anymore. The Patriots CHEATED…..end of story.

  16. mvpolamalu says: Mar 8, 2012 5:00 PM

    That would have been ridiculous. I would lose almost as much respect for goodell as i have for greg williams

  17. rkingndayton says: Mar 8, 2012 5:01 PM

    Like I said yesterday, let’s be reasonable here. All this head-hunting is unnecessary. Forfeiture of 1 or 2 1st round draft picks, 2 year suspension for Williams (or forced retirement) and possibly a shorter one for Payton and some hefty fines will do. I don’t agree with bounties, but some good old-fashioned “awareness” of the issue should fix the problem.

    Regardless of what some of you think, this happens in all sports, not just NFL. Some coaches don’t inspire their players to play harder (Dungy, Harbaughs) and simply used the easiest motivator to get that little extra something out of the players. I’m not saying it’s right because everyone else does it, but it’s not going to destroy the Saints.

    Someone on here already said what I was thinking anyway: the fans will be the ones that lose in all of this.

  18. patpatriot7 says: Mar 8, 2012 5:01 PM

    Saints fans, we feel your pain. We’ve been through it and can tell you, it never ends. And you can’t use as your rationale that “everyone else was doing it”. Even though, just as with Spygate, very few opposing coaches have come out against New Orleans, for obvious reasons – but that doesn’t make any difference to those who were not caught. During his investigation, Commissioner Roger Goodell determined that “because the tapes were seized before the end of the first quarter of the first game of the season against the New York Jets, it did not affect the Patriot’s 38-14 victory; the fine of $250.00 on the team, $500.00 on the coach and the loss of their first round draft choice was significant and long-lasting.” Yet, fans of other teams are quick to question the entire undefeated season that followed and the previous three Super Bowl victories. Games, like the Saints, won on the field. So, get used to it. You’ve taken some of the heat of off us, but be prepared to have your metal as a fan tested severely. Heed this warning! Surely the worst is to come and come and come.
    If you thought Katrina was bad . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

  19. conormacleod says: Mar 8, 2012 5:05 PM

    The NFL is, and always will be, Public Relations first, because PR equals dollars. That being said, to take away a Superbowl would be to put a permanent black eye on the entire league, and would be a reminder that would never be forgotten. There was never any way the NFL would allow that. The penalties will be heavy, but they won’t be heavy enough where people will remember it for a lifetime, like a blank spot in the Superbowl.

  20. panther17 says: Mar 8, 2012 5:06 PM

    Coming from a Panther fan, taking away their Super Bowl is stupid.

  21. zaggs says: Mar 8, 2012 5:07 PM

    So they cheated to win the superbowl, and won’t get punished for it. Bravo goodell, keep giving that hand job to New Orleans.

  22. dvdman123 says: Mar 8, 2012 5:14 PM

    patpatriot7 says:
    Mar 8, 2012 5:01 PM
    Saints fans, we feel your pain. We’ve been through it and can tell you, it never ends. And you can’t use as your rationale that “everyone else was doing it”. Even though, just as with Spygate, very few opposing coaches have come out against New Orleans, for obvious reasons – but that doesn’t make any difference to those who were not caught. During his investigation, Commissioner Roger Goodell determined that “because the tapes were seized before the end of the first quarter of the first game of the season against the New York Jets, it did not affect the Patriot’s 38-14 victory; the fine of $250.00 on the team, $500.00 on the coach and the loss of their first round draft choice was significant and long-lasting.” Yet, fans of other teams are quick to question the entire undefeated season that followed and the previous three Super Bowl victories. Games, like the Saints, won on the field. So, get used to it. You’ve taken some of the heat of off us, but be prepared to have your metal as a fan tested severely. Heed this warning! Surely the worst is to come and come and come.
    If you thought Katrina was bad . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    I think most Saints fans would take anything even what Goddell dreams up over another Katrina. It’s just a game and nothing more. Katrina took lives. The NFL can’t do that.

  23. boobsnbuttz says: Mar 8, 2012 5:19 PM

    The Saints didn’t cheat. They won the Superbowl and deserve the title.

  24. db105 says: Mar 8, 2012 5:23 PM

    Bountygate and Spygate had very little to do with the outcome of games. If anything Spygate would have made a difference only if the Patriots played a team a second time and that’s if they could have decoded the signals. This has all to do with not obeying rules and not necessarily cheating.

  25. domeinate says: Mar 8, 2012 5:28 PM

    Well, I guess who won’t be very welcome in New Orleans come Super Bowl time. I would prepare for terrible service from the home folks

  26. bikerhal says: Mar 8, 2012 5:32 PM

    thanks Patpatriot7 and others for being the voice of reason. The word “cheat” does not apply here. As one poster said, a player would be willing to hurt someone just to get to the SB, and don’t need to be paid for it. In pee wee league, when I was 12, the coach told us that tickets to a local college game would go to any player who put an opposing player out of the game. Hard hits are inherent in the sport. Does a boxer get blamed for killing another boxer? Ok it isn’t good PR or smart to advertise that you do this or have a bounty pool, I get that. But I can’t stand the hypocrisy here by all those fickle fans who formerly complained that the league was getting soft and for pansies.

  27. fixedgame says: Mar 8, 2012 5:33 PM

    they can not take away a win because there is no way to recover
    the bets. and if you mess with those guy your in big trouble they run the NFL including who wins.

  28. jimair1 says: Mar 8, 2012 5:34 PM

    And so while it would have been fun to stage a Best of Times-style Super Bowl XLIV, with Brett Favre playing the role of Reno Hightower in a rematch of a game

    More like Uncle Rico getting a second chance

  29. mikebe1 says: Mar 8, 2012 5:35 PM

    Fine the players involved and owners, suspend the coaches.that is all

  30. tombradysponytail says: Mar 8, 2012 5:35 PM

    My record book has this:

    Super Bowl XLIV Champions: New Orlean Saints*

    *Cheated

  31. CKL says: Mar 8, 2012 5:38 PM

    Take away their SB win? Utterly ridiculous. It would be like saying that being in the car with a drunk driver is punishable in the same way that driving drunk is. A couple guys on D and some coaches have a bounty thing and that means what the other guys did cleanly to earn it is null and void? Insanity. This isn’t golf or tennis, not an individual sport. It’s a team sport. Punish those who did wrong, not the whole team.

  32. ray67 says: Mar 8, 2012 5:40 PM

    Hello

  33. bigjdve says: Mar 8, 2012 5:43 PM

    Ban Williams.

    Suspend Loomis
    Suspend Payton

    Suspend any other front office employee or coach that you have proof that lied or offered up the monies.

    Suspend any player that you have evidence offered money or intentionally injured another player.

    The suspensions for the GM and Head Coach should be the harshest as they are the captains of the ship. The other front office or coaching staff next, then the players.

    Don’t do draft picks as that doesn’t affect the coaches or players. They sign someone else or go somewhere else and then they don’t worry about it.

  34. xxwhodatxx says: Mar 8, 2012 5:46 PM

    I’ve resisted until now but damn you people are nuts. The mere suggestion that the league would do that is ludacris, if they didn’t take away the pats 3 for straight up cheating no way it would happen here. Taping actual game signals gives you 1000% more advantage than giving incentive to hit harder bc you actually have to make a damn play to do the latter. If you already know what’s coming it makes it that much easier to win.

  35. bozosforall says: Mar 8, 2012 5:47 PM

    bikerhal says:
    Mar 8, 2012 5:32 PM
    thanks Patpatriot7 and others for being the voice of reason. The word “cheat” does not apply here. As one poster said, a player would be willing to hurt someone just to get to the SB, and don’t need to be paid for it. In pee wee league, when I was 12, the coach told us that tickets to a local college game would go to any player who put an opposing player out of the game. Hard hits are inherent in the sport. Does a boxer get blamed for killing another boxer? Ok it isn’t good PR or smart to advertise that you do this or have a bounty pool, I get that. But I can’t stand the hypocrisy here by all those fickle fans who formerly complained that the league was getting soft and for pansies.

    __
    Don’t be fooled, bikerhal. patidiot7 is only trying to use your team’s situation to sugarcoat the blatant cheating that his team got caught doing, nothing more. He doesn’t care one bit about any “pain” that your team is suffering.

  36. patpatriot7 says: Mar 8, 2012 5:47 PM

    dvdman. My apologies. It was a bad analogy. My point was more that you will forever be reminded and it will never go away. Nothing in sports is as important as real life – and I certainly know the difference – especially the loss of life and property caused by the hurricane. Sorry if I offended you. That was not my intention.

  37. sgtr0c says: Mar 8, 2012 5:55 PM

    Gotta love all the people saying they didn’t cheat. Hitting someone, so they are afraid to throw the ball is legal. Paying a teammate extra money to get a colleague taken off on a cart is cheating. NFLPA, are you gonna represent Farve? Cause, ya know, he is a union member also.

  38. jjbadd says: Mar 8, 2012 5:59 PM

    Why am I the only one that thinks this isn’t as serious as its being made out? If there were any hits made that were illegal, or blatant then the NFL’S officials would have called the penalties. Yes I think its wrong, having bounties, but its not that serious..

  39. demo1984 says: Mar 8, 2012 6:01 PM

    I say fine the owner about 5 million only because he was warned to stop the bounty system once before and he did nothing. Fine Peyton a million and suspend him 4 games for the same reasons. He knew about the bounties and did nothing and also because he was the one who took a 250,000 dollar salary cut to bring in Williams. Ban Williams fromthe league for life if the stories of a bounty program on his other teams are true. Take away 1st and 2nd round picks in 2013 because a 1st round pick would be a 32nd pick and would not mean much and take away their 1st round pick in 2014. Also if reports that the program included 22 players then suspend 11 of them the first 4 games of 2013 and 11 of them the final 4 games.
    Another post said the leagues penalties did not hurt the Pats since they only missed the playoffs one season. This penalty would force the Saints to play the season with 11 practice squad players for the first and last 4 games almost insuring a losing season. Then without a first or second round pick in the following years draft they would not be able to improve much. This would leave them about a .500 team the following season then no 1st round pick the next draft. This punishment would almost certainly keep the Saints from being competitive for 2 or 3 years. On top of all of that. If any of the 22 players involved like Hargrove have since moved on, their replacement shall be suspended for 4 games.
    I bet there would never be a hind of a paid bounty system in the NFL ever again if this were the penalty for the Saints.
    The final suspensions from the NFC Championship game should go to the officiating crew. The late hits on Favre, the low hit on Favre. Late or not league rules say you cannot hit a QB below the knee unless blocked into him. The phantom pass interference on Leber. On the play where Favre was hit low the vikings were on the saints 35 yard line with the score tied at 28. Favre threw a int on that play. If a penalty woould have been called like it should have been it would have given the vikes the ball on the saints 20. Their kicker is one of the leagues best and it is almost a certainty they would have got a FG. That non call was a game changing play. The phantom PI on Leber was on 3rd or 4th down and kept the saints drive alive. These were not bang bang plays that could have went either way they were obvious blown calls.

  40. joesphkerr says: Mar 8, 2012 6:07 PM

    For those of us old enough to remember, look what happened to SMU when the NCCA dropped the hammer on them back in 1985. ( yes I know we are comparing apples to oranges.) SMU’s football program, to this day has not recovered. Have to wonder what is going to happen to the Saints program. If everything that has reported is true, and the Feds get involved, I would have to think that Saints are about to suffer a nuclear winter. I think when all is said and done, the only way New Orleans sees a Super Bowl is when the city gets to host one.

  41. briang123 says: Mar 8, 2012 6:20 PM

    About the only thing left that hasn’t been suggested is to try Williams and Loomis at The Hague for crimes against humanity. The race to see who could be the most outraged and demand the harshest penalties for this has become beyond ridiculous.

  42. tdk24 says: Mar 8, 2012 6:26 PM

    So, did we ever find out how many players the Saints hurt during the so called bounty days? I bet it’s still less than the players James Harrison hurt during the same span. Why take the Saints SB away, they’d have to do the same to the Steelers.

  43. trevector says: Mar 8, 2012 6:32 PM

    The Taints cheated. Everyone knows that now, aside from the delusional apologists on here.

  44. nowillrepeat says: Mar 8, 2012 6:33 PM

    I apologize to all the little girls out there who were calling for the saints title. If I could lick your tears over this news, I would.

  45. nowillrepeat says: Mar 8, 2012 6:36 PM

    tombradysponytail says:
    Mar 8, 2012 5:35 PM
    My record book has this:

    Super Bowl XLIV Champions: New Orlean Saints*

    *Cheated
    ———————————–
    Good thing no one cares about your book. But if it helps you sleep at night…

  46. patpatriot7 says: Mar 8, 2012 6:45 PM

    “bozo for all”. You are a known hater who has found a way to weave “Belicheat” and the Spygate episode into EVERY post on Pro Football Talk. Aside from the severe penalty that was handed out by the Commissioner of the NFL for videotaping less than one-quarter of the first game against the New York Jets, I have CHALLENGED you to present evidence to the affect that they were guilty of anything else. They did something against the rules, were caught and paid the penalty. As far as the league is concerned, Spygate is over. But holier than thous such as yourself refused to let something that happened nearly five years ago go. THAT’S what I was referring to in my empathy for Saints fans. Any success the Saints have will not be tainted according to “bozo the clown” and others. Somehow they will be guilty of cheating in every victory they have achieved on the field. Thanks for proving my point “bozo.”.
    And, by the way, you don’t know me and CERTAINLY do not speak for me. Thank God for that! By the way who DO you speak for. Another revelation you refuse to divulge. Is that so you can attack everyone else, without retribution? Or is your team in the AFC East and you hide your envy by professing hatred?

  47. theytukrjobs says: Mar 8, 2012 6:46 PM

    It still taints the win, knowing in part how they ran their team and achieved success. It was cheating.

    It isn’t so much the whole “getting guys to injure opponents” part that is so bad. The part that really is cheating is that they were providing financial incentives outside what is allowed in the CBA. Then after being confronted about it, went ahead and continued on for two seasons. And using incentives to get guys to break the rules is kind of disgusting.

    It will be interesting to see if the Saints can maintain that intense defensive attacking culture without their fun gambling/cheating subculture system. Probably won’t.

    New Orleans Taints, cause they sure ain’t saints.

  48. nowillrepeat says: Mar 8, 2012 6:53 PM

    If you thought Katrina was bad . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    ————————–
    Tasteless.

    You people make me sick making a joke out of such a tragedy. You should also probably laugh at all the idiots in Henryville, In (wiped off the map from last weekends tornados) for building a town in tornado alley. No where is safe. If mother nature wants you, she will take you. End of story.

    The nfl is entertainment. Death and destruction will not in cure as a result of this punishment. I know you already apologized but still you should know better.

    If your not from here. DONT bring it up

  49. stevenfbrackett says: Mar 8, 2012 7:17 PM

    This makes it sound like there is no chance of Williams getting Banned for Life – which he should since he proved by committing these same offenses with 4 different teams over many years and even after being made aware of an investigation and orders to cease immediately – that his actions weren’t ‘a mistake’ or ‘poor judgement’ or ‘in the heat of the moment’ but deliberate and standard operating procedure for him. He lied to investigators repeatedly, too. He’s needs to be out of the game forever.

    Payton and Loomis need to be suspended for no less than one year without pay or benefits and fined no less than $250,000 above that for EACH year they ran the bounty program.

    The team needs to be fined no less than $1M and Benson also needs to be fined since, although he ordered the bounty to stop, he never followed through to make sure it actually did stop nor did he do anything at all to punish the offenders, effectively giving the message “Do whatever, but I don’t want to hear about it.” Even now, he isn’t doing anything but saying what great guys they are when they should be suspended pending the outcome of the investigation.

    Players still with the Saints should be suspended and and fined. Those no longer with the Saints get the choice of the identical penalty of active Saints OR no suspension but triple the fine. That way, the players will be punished and not necessarily their new teams who probably didn’t know they had hired such scumbags.

    I would let the Saints keep the same number of draft picks they are entitled but I would would move all of them to the end of the final round.

    And if they don’t want to negate the Superbowl — they could still make them ineligible for post season play for, say, the same number of years they had their bounty system. That would send a clearer message around the league than anything else.

    One thing is for certain – everyone who gets named is the final reports can kiss off any chance of getting into the Hall of Fame. Ever.

  50. TheWizard says: Mar 8, 2012 8:25 PM

    If they took away superbowl wins for things like this, Brady/Belicheat would have 0 trophies

    That’s why losers generally remain losers.

    You tell yourselves it’s never your own fault you lost, it’s cause the other guy had an unfair advantage.

    Thus, you’re never as good as you think you are, you don’t work to improve enough, and the cycle repeats itself.

    The guys in the league I’ve heard question those Super Bowl results never made it back to another Super Bowl.

    Meanwhile, the Pats have had a 16-0 season and been back to the Bowl twice, albeit losing in the final minutes.

  51. dumplingsrbrown says: Mar 8, 2012 8:40 PM

    As a Vikings fan, even I believe taking away the Super Bowl victory is simply stupid. I may think the refs called the game NFC Championship poorly, but every team gets bad calls. It is part of the game and will be unless they stop and review every single play for every possible penalty or inch of yardage. The Saints won. It’s over.

    That said, the NFL needs to punish the individuals and not the team. The Saints and their fanbase as a whole shouldn’t have to pay for the mistakes of 10 or 20 people.

  52. bozosforall says: Mar 8, 2012 8:45 PM

    patpatriot7 says:
    Mar 8, 2012 6:45 PM
    “bozo for all”. You are a known hater who has found a way to weave “Belicheat” and the Spygate episode into EVERY post on Pro Football Talk. Aside from the severe penalty that was handed out by the Commissioner of the NFL for videotaping less than one-quarter of the first game against the New York Jets, I have CHALLENGED you to present evidence to the affect that they were guilty of anything else. They did something against the rules, were caught and paid the penalty. As far as the league is concerned, Spygate is over. But holier than thous such as yourself refused to let something that happened nearly five years ago go. THAT’S what I was referring to in my empathy for Saints fans. Any success the Saints have will not be tainted according to “bozo the clown” and others. Somehow they will be guilty of cheating in every victory they have achieved on the field. Thanks for proving my point “bozo.”.
    And, by the way, you don’t know me and CERTAINLY do not speak for me. Thank God for that! By the way who DO you speak for. Another revelation you refuse to divulge. Is that so you can attack everyone else, without retribution? Or is your team in the AFC East and you hide your envy by professing hatred?

    __
    I speak for myself, idiot. I don’t own any of the teams so I don’t pretend to speak for any of them. The only “holier-than-thou” idiots that I see posting here those from New England, who continue to pretend that Goodell didn’t destroy all of the evidence that existed regarding the taping of many many games by the Patriots, tapes that were used to gain an unfair advantage. Pretending that it was only the first quarter of the one Jets game only shows what lengths idiots like you try to go in order to pretend that your team wasn’t engaging in massive amounts of institutional cheating. And as for being a “hater”, you might want to look in your own backyard, since the original “haters” are the hordes of New England baseball fans that have “hated” on the team that has owned them for most of the last century. That would make fools such as yourself that continually call others “haters” the most hypocritical morons of them all. Congratulations, hater.

  53. bozosforall says: Mar 8, 2012 8:47 PM

    tombradysponytail says:
    Mar 8, 2012 5:35 PM
    My record book has this:

    Super Bowl XLIV Champions: New Orlean Saints*

    *Cheated

    __
    Your record book should also include that same “*cheated” next to the three Super Bowls that the Pats won.

    Cue the crying from patidiot7.

  54. infectorman says: Mar 8, 2012 8:55 PM

    says: Mar 7, 2012 9:13 PM

    apooster says:
    Mar 7, 2012 9:09 PM
    Gregg Williams – Suspended for life
    Sean Payton – Fine + 1 year suspension
    Saints Organization – $1,500,000 fine, loss of SuperBowl, and forfeiting 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks this year, along with 1st round picks in 2013, and 2014.

    __
    No way that they should be punished any worse than the punishment that the Pats got in 2007 for cheating.

    thumbs up: 71
    Thumbs down: 404

    ____________________________________

    @patpatriot7:

    Above is “BOZO-the-4th-GRADERS’s” post from the story previous to this about how the Saints punishment should be the same as the Pats.

    85% of PFT posters DISAGREE with this tool.
    Over 400 People!
    Proves beyond a doubt his childish obsession and extreme negative bias toward all things NE.
    Essentially, negating anything he has to say about the PATs and NE, as he possesses ZERO OBJECTIVITY on the matter of the NE Patriots.
    Sounds a lot more like a scorned woman.
    The numbers don’t lie, unlike him.

    Couple that with his incessant schoolyard name calling, insulting everyone and anyone that has a different point of view than his, and he is the mental equivalent of a 4th grader, to wit, a Mental Midget.
    Nothing to see here, carry on…

  55. sgtr0c says: Mar 8, 2012 9:19 PM

    Assumeing every team does it = assumed

    Vilma offered 10G to take a colleague off in a stretcher = proof, it is on record.

    Hate the truth all you want, Pats stole signals, never intended to hurt fellow football players. The Saints as a orginazation, did want to hurt colleges in their proffession. It is why this is going on.

    I personally hate both teams, but the Saints are cheaters and won their SB by cheating. Sorry that I feel that teams should win by being better.

    Lastly, riddle me this, why is Mr Williams doing the exact same job, no promotion, with a team, that has very little chance of making the SB. Could it be that the Saints knew that cheating was a one trick pony?

    Saint’s SB = Cheat

  56. nowillrepeat says: Mar 8, 2012 9:58 PM

    Assumeing every team does it = assumed

    Vilma offered 10G to take a colleague off in a stretcher = proof, it is on record.

    Hate the truth all you want, Pats stole signals, never intended to hurt fellow football players. The Saints as a orginazation, did want to hurt colleges in their proffession. It is why this is going on.

    I personally hate both teams, but the Saints are cheaters and won their SB by cheating. Sorry that I feel that teams should win by being better.

    Lastly, riddle me this, why is Mr Williams doing the exact same job, no promotion, with a team, that has very little chance of making the SB. Could it be that the Saints knew that cheating was a one trick pony?

    Saint’s SB = Cheat

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    You do realize that it has been our historically dominating offense that has gotten us this far over the last six years, and not our “cheating” D, right? In fact, it has been one of the worst in the league over that span.

    Drew Brees (who has nothing to do with this) is the reason we are so good.

  57. sgtr0c says: Mar 8, 2012 11:06 PM

    You do realize that it has been our historically dominating offense that has gotten us this far over the last six years, and not our “cheating” D, right? In fact, it has been one of the worst in the league over that span.

    Drew Brees (who has nothing to do with this) is the reason we are so good.

    your historically dominating offense still is tainted by a historically cheating defense. No way that you can prove you would have won cause your defense cheated. You could own every offensive record in the history of the NFL, your DC and litlle nixon coach knew, and were cheaters. Sorry, still the truth.

    Saints SB = cheaters

    Pats didn’t hurt no one, saints did.

  58. veetan says: Mar 8, 2012 11:33 PM

    Patpatriot7 said:
    dvdman. My apologies. It was a bad analogy. My point was more that you will forever be reminded and it will never go away. Nothing in sports is as important as real life – and I certainly know the difference – especially the loss of life and property caused by the hurricane. Sorry if I offended you. That was not my intention.

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    This isn’t an apology. You said, sorry “if” I offended you – like it was dvd’s problem for being offended. A stand up apology goes like this, “I’m sorry for what I said. I was wrong. I shouldn’t have done it. I apologize to you”. No if’s, and’s, or but’s. Try doing what a man does instead of following the current trend of issuing expainations & qualified excuses.

  59. kmkhaine says: Mar 9, 2012 12:26 AM

    Bounty does not equate loss of SB win by any stretch of the imagination.
    Illegally filming practices and such damn well should be.

  60. uscthom78 says: Mar 9, 2012 12:42 AM

    Postseason ban next 2 seasons would be fair.

  61. vikesandravens78 says: Mar 9, 2012 1:41 AM

    If any bans are imposed, they should include a forfeiture of Superbowl rings.

  62. vikefan says: Mar 9, 2012 1:02 PM

    the super bowl run and win will be tainted forever, just like baseball hall of fame inductees and HGH, ignoring it does not make it go away. tainted with an aesterisk for life, thats how you wanna be remebered, eh? cheating is ok, & if you can get by with it and win at all costs without costing them the very prize they won because of it. the NFL & any persons in the saints orgainization involved in it make me wanna puke. tainted for life, enjoy the trophy with a big questionmark next to it. The best of the best never have a question mairk, if this organization does not have it stripped from them, they should show nards and voluntarily rescind it, if not, marred cheaters of history.

  63. bullydog28 says: Mar 9, 2012 4:58 PM

    If You are caught cheating in any contest you should be disqualified. Nobody get the trophy for that year. VERY SIMPLE

  64. bozosforall says: Mar 9, 2012 9:33 PM

    bullydog28 says:
    Mar 9, 2012 4:58 PM
    If You are caught cheating in any contest you should be disqualified. Nobody get the trophy for that year. VERY SIMPLE

     ___

    The Saints weren’t caught cheating in any contest. They were caught much later. Just like the Pats were caught later. So if the Saints lose their title, then the Pats lose all three of theirs.

    Sounds fair to me.

  65. krw81 says: Mar 9, 2012 11:48 PM

    My NFL friends some of you are really missing a significant difference between Spy-Gate and Bounty-Gate.

    Spy-Gate was cheating and the New England Patriots were punished accordingly.

    Bounty Gate may very well be a criminal matter. The severity of the punishment should reflect this, the Saints should be forced to return the Lombardy Trophy, as well paying fines, personnel and player suspensions, and losing draft picks.

  66. patpatriot7 says: Mar 10, 2012 6:34 AM

    dvd man. I’m sorry my apology to Saints fans did not meet your standards. All I can say is that it was genuine. As for questioning my manhood, a real man would do that face-to-face. Since you don’t know me or know anything about me, I can assure you that I am very comfortable with who I am and what I stand for – and have been for 71 years!

  67. rboudreaux88 says: Mar 10, 2012 4:22 PM

    I am a die hard saints fan and will always be and I see that a bounty is wrong only because it encourages injury, but do not call it cheating. Is it now considered cheating for a player to go out and play with extreme intensity? There is no way our superbowl will be given back. We did not cheat. Cheating is when given an unfair advantage in order to beat another team. If someone can explain to me how wanting to crush another teams quarterback, like grampa Favre,is cheating then go ahead. If bounties are cheating then so should be contract incentives. If a player makes extra money for X amount of ints, tackles, sacks, etc. then that should be cheating as well according to all of your logic. Every defensive player in the game is trying to hurt the opposing team on Sunday and you all know it, but it is people like you all that have made the game soft. Just because a player competes hard on Sunday is not cheating. If you want to look into a bounty check James Harrison, why does he continue to hurt people? WHODAT!!!

  68. veetan says: Mar 10, 2012 5:31 PM

    vikefan says:Mar 9, 2012 1:02 PM

    the super bowl run and win will be tainted forever, just like baseball hall of fame inductees and HGH, ignoring it does not make it go away. tainted with an aesterisk for life, thats how you wanna be remebered, eh? cheating is ok, & if you can get by with it and win at all costs without costing them the very prize they won because of it. the NFL & any persons in the saints orgainization involved in it make me wanna puke. tainted for life, enjoy the trophy with a big questionmark next to it. The best of the best never have a question mairk, if this organization does not have it stripped from them, they should show nards and voluntarily rescind it, if not, marred cheaters of history.

    ==================================

    Hilarious, you purple haters. Your venemous spewing is kind of like the gift that keeps on giving for the rest of us fans of every other team! I swear nobody whines as much as you guys do.

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