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Bruce Allen: Redskins fell in love with two players in this draft

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Redskins General Manager Bruce Allen says the logic behind the huge trade to move up four spots in this year’s NFL draft is simple: There are two great players in this draft and neither of them will still be on the board at No. 6, but one of them will be on the board at No. 2.

Obviously, the two players Allen is referring to are Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III, and with the Colts almost certain to draft Luck, the Redskins will get Griffin. Allen says the Redskins are thrilled with that.

We fell in love with two players in the draft and one of those players will be a great Redskin,” Allen said.

Allen said getting the trade done prior to free agency was important because it allows the Redskins to start putting together their team around the rookie quarterback they’ll add next month.

“When you know what you’re going to get with the first pick in the draft, it gives you great comfort,” he said. “We thought [making the trade now] was important to allow us the proper planning of what we wanted to do in free agency.”

Griffin will cost the Redskins their first-round picks this year, next year and the year after that as well as their second-round pick this year, but Allen said it’s worth it.

“We understand it was a heavy price. When you bought your home, you probably wanted to pay a little less, too. But you like your home once you live in it,” he said.

And the Redskins expect to be happily living with Griffin for a long time to come.

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116 Responses to “Bruce Allen: Redskins fell in love with two players in this draft”
  1. dolfan1 says: Mar 10, 2012 9:27 PM

    After Peyton wouldn’t talk to them!!!

  2. deanvernonwormer says: Mar 10, 2012 9:29 PM

    Daniel Snyder is always “falling in love”. He fell in love with Haynesworth. How’d that work out? About as well as the time I fell in love. Just like him I’m still paying.

  3. mikebe1 says: Mar 10, 2012 9:30 PM

    Yea but u don’t buy a house and not be able to eat for 3 years either smart guy.

  4. 1972wasalongtimeago says: Mar 10, 2012 9:31 PM

    I think it’s a great move. Took guts. If it works out it’s a homerun. If it doesn’t, it’s not like they were going to be good if they didn’t make the trade.

  5. dyna5ty says: Mar 10, 2012 9:32 PM

    I also didn’t take a 2nd and 3rd mortgage out before escrow closed on my house. This can either be one of the greatest trades ever to get a player or hands down the worst. I will say the rams better be making a dynasty out of those draft picks. Bad news for my
    9ers.

  6. randomguy9999 says: Mar 10, 2012 9:34 PM

    I wonder if Griffin believes that he’s not gonna get selected ahead of Luck yet?

    the Skins will regret this…

  7. shlort says: Mar 10, 2012 9:35 PM

    Hope he doesnt fall in love with any players for the next couple drafts. He wont have picks to get them.

  8. bleedburgandyandgold says: Mar 10, 2012 9:35 PM

    Man I hope RG3 lives up to what he cost that’s a lot of pressure for a young kid but I hope he pulls it off an the skins do somthing positive in the years to come

  9. joeymichaelsstudios says: Mar 10, 2012 9:42 PM

    Redskins are Payton’s sloppy seconds….Settled for RG3

  10. kcfanatic says: Mar 10, 2012 9:43 PM

    “We understand it was a heavy price. When you bought your home, you probably wanted to pay a little less, too. But you like your home once you live in it,” he said.

    Good comparison. Many Americans are upside down in their homes, and the Redskins are upside down in the draft. Just like the average American, they will be paying for years for something that may never again be worth what they thought it was the first time they looked at it.

  11. larrydavidstern says: Mar 10, 2012 9:44 PM

    Everyone keeps saying 3 1st round picks, but it’s really only 2 since they’re swapping this years pick. Bold move, but I think it’s worth the risk.

  12. rajbais says: Mar 10, 2012 9:44 PM

    Wow! This guy was with the Raiders when the Buccaneers traded for Jon Gruden. Now he’s traded places.

  13. captainwisdom8888 says: Mar 10, 2012 9:45 PM

    RG3 has all the tools you need to be great, as well as superhuman athletic ability you cannot teach. Luck will prove his worth earlier than RG3, but after a few years of working out and adding bulk to that gazelle-like body…RG3 could prove to be one-of-a-kind.

    The Colts would be silly not to strongly consider both of these players.

  14. tedmurph says: Mar 10, 2012 9:45 PM

    Damage control in case Indy takes Griffin, so they don’t seem like the idiots that they are.

  15. jetsetfred says: Mar 10, 2012 9:45 PM

    You gotta pay to get what you want.. and to have a #1a QB taken number #2 overall is worth more than any of those draft picks… You still got to draft wisely…. and I feel the Redskins made the right choice now it’s up to the Rams to make the right choice.. which is up in the air at #6…

  16. dequan81 says: Mar 10, 2012 9:46 PM

    Can RGIII decide that the Skins from top to bottom sucks and opts not to go? Any chance of that happening?

  17. kuantan97 says: Mar 10, 2012 9:46 PM

    Problem is, if you don’t like your home you can still always sell it for a decent price because someone else is bound to like it. But if you don’t like RGIII, no one else will.

  18. 69finfan says: Mar 10, 2012 9:47 PM

    Yes, I would have liked to pay a little less for my home when I bought it but luckily it appreciated in value and I made some money when I sold it last year. Is RG3 going to appreciate in value, are the Skins going to beak even on this or is this going to be a huge bust, the law of diminishing returns? Only time will tell.

  19. cuffhimbanano says: Mar 10, 2012 9:47 PM

    People are so dumb. There’s a strong correlation between the value of a dollar today versus its value tomorrow and the value of a draft pick this year versus the value of a draft pick 1-year/2-years from now.

    You’re disqualified if you say “dc gave up 3 first rounders for him.” Yeah, your math is atrocious. It’s a net loss of 2 firsts. The DC team is only giving up 1 pick this year, which makes this a very good gamble for them.

    Regards,

    DC Hater

  20. chibears5 says: Mar 10, 2012 9:48 PM

    While it is true they only gave up the 2013 & 2014 1st Rounders + a 2nd Rounder, all they gained was 3 slots (RG3) but when the Redskins finish with the 5-10 overall pick in the draft the next two years, it really is basically 2 HIGH and 1 LOW first round picks for a guy that has potential but no NFL experience.

  21. edusregis says: Mar 10, 2012 9:49 PM

    Redux here: 4 picks to move up 4 spots < NFL championship.

  22. NoPayneNoGain51 says: Mar 10, 2012 9:49 PM

    Too many people are hating hard on the skins….Did you want them to Start Rex next year. Bunch of JEALOUS little girls.

  23. skinsrollyou says: Mar 10, 2012 9:50 PM

    No one wanted Peyton tool. Look at all the NFC east rival fans with their very very nervous hating. Ha! Fear the rg3.

  24. stl45fan says: Mar 10, 2012 9:50 PM

    Skins gave up enough picks to the Rams to draft both QB’s! LOL

  25. chadgoy says: Mar 10, 2012 9:51 PM

    So…the Redskins are trading this years 1st and 2nd, next years 1st and the year after 1st for the Rams single 1st rounder…WOW!!! THAT’S 3 1ST ROUNDERS AND A 2ND FOR 1 DRAFT PICK!!!

  26. skinsfan1981 says: Mar 10, 2012 9:51 PM

    This will be one of the great trades for the Skins. A franchise qb, a young team already, 20 draft picks over the next 3 drafts, and 40 mil in cap space. People are crazy to think this is a bad trade

  27. yycfin says: Mar 10, 2012 9:51 PM

    Hard to believe they would cough up so much for a QB with John Beck on the roster.

  28. stunzeed5 says: Mar 10, 2012 9:51 PM

    7 draft picks left in this April’s draft…..$40 million in cap space…..deep FA pool……RGIII…..god it’s GREAT to be a Redskins fan for once!

  29. 23tarheel23 says: Mar 10, 2012 9:52 PM

    As a Panther fan, who knows how it feels to finally land that franchise QB, I’m happy for the Redskins.

  30. moosev says: Mar 10, 2012 9:52 PM

    Based on the reaction this move is getting from all of the “comment chatter” from non Redskin fans, I’d say it’s proof it was a great move. The Skins may regret it but the risk may pay off. Their last 3 first rounders were ’09 Orakpo, ’10 Trent Williams, ’11 Kerrigan. Would you, today, go back and trade the Orakpo pick #6 overall for the #1 pick Matthew Stafford and forfeit Williams and Kerrigan in subsequent years? I say yes. The 2011 the Lions made the playoffs for the first time since the civil war with Stafford, the Redskins 5-11. So every negative comment needs to check your envy at the door. As always, time will tell. As sorry as the NFC East was this year, it won’t take much to gain an edge.

    Romo sucks, by the way.
    RGIII has character and brains unlike Vick
    Eli, well, he’s a future HOF’er

  31. bhester1906 says: Mar 10, 2012 9:53 PM

    I bet if Belicheck woulda made the move everyone would rant on how good of a deal it was…c’mon guys, don’t be hate on the skins cause we finally may have a QB. QB’s are expensive. Plus, we only got to pay him a rookie wages for 4 years. Not a bad deal.

  32. jiggy3198 says: Mar 10, 2012 9:53 PM

    They did not lose a pick this year they swapped from 6 to 2 so they really only gave up 2 firsts and a second. With such a loosing tradition as of late why not make a big move. No real salary hit and they have plenty of money under the cap to build around RG3. Great move he will be a beast and bring back winning tradition to ole DC. Hail to the redskins hail victory braves on the warpath fight for old DC

  33. hendawg21 says: Mar 10, 2012 9:55 PM

    When will the stupid people quit saying they gave up this years 1st??? THEY DIDN’T STUPID PEOPLE…they just swapped they still have a 1st this year how the h%// do ya think their drafting RGIII? Yes with the 2nd pick of the 1st round…

  34. glebbak says: Mar 10, 2012 9:55 PM

    If you think about it, the redskins don’t know how to draft very well, so why do they need draft picks anyway?_?
    GL RGIIIFirstRoundPicks
    lol Redskins.

  35. hatesycophants says: Mar 10, 2012 9:56 PM

    This was a terrible trade. Ridiculous. You get the guy you want, but you can’t help him through the draft for 3 years? I expect Griffin to be successful in the NFL. However, Washington and the Rat will never benefit from his success. The Rams and Washington will both regret this “cartoonish” trade.

  36. boysrollpt2 says: Mar 10, 2012 9:58 PM

    deanvernonwormer says: Mar 10, 2012 9:29 PM

    Daniel Snyder is always “falling in love”. He fell in love with Haynesworth. How’d that work out? About as well as the time I fell in love. Just like him I’m still paying.

    Did I ready something wrong…..Always someone who goes back to the Dan Synder remarks. He hasn’t made a football decision for 2yrs. Bout time you update your smack don’t ya thinnk.

  37. switch123 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:00 PM

    All the haters here, I love it that other teams with crappy QB’s are so jealous LOL . Romo The Choker, Vick I cant stay healthy whiner , they beat me up call a flag whahhh! RGIII kicks both there arses.

  38. switch123 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:01 PM

    SUCKERS

  39. stunzeed5 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:01 PM

    When will the stupid people quit saying they gave up this years 1st??? THEY DIDN’T STUPID PEOPLE…they just swapped they still have a 1st this year how the h%// do ya think their drafting RGIII? Yes with the 2nd pick of the 1st round…
    ____________________________________

    THANK YOU….so many idiots (Eagles and Cowboys fans) on PFT!

  40. forrealplayas says: Mar 10, 2012 10:05 PM

    first all these browns and fish fans hating this deal is crazy and if you guys have the guts to post your squad with your reply would be very nice so the real trash talk can begin (skins)

  41. nflfollower says: Mar 10, 2012 10:07 PM

    Moosev…..that was a very insightful comment. I hadn’t thought of it in those terms, but of course you are working within the premise that rgIII becomes a franchise qb like stafford. Nonetheless, well stated.

  42. kmurph1226 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:07 PM

    They bought a really huge house but need to fill it with quality furniture or they are going to get foreclosed.

    Sorry still going with the house theme.

  43. eaglebobby says: Mar 10, 2012 10:10 PM

    I love how everyone is labeling RG3 a “franchise QB” before the guy ever steps on an NFL field. He ran a triple option offense in college, and he has to learn how to run a pro offense in the NFL. Yeah, there has been the exceptions with Cam Newton and Andy Dalton doing well last year. But overall, it takes time to develop into a good NFL QB. The problem is, that with giving up premium draft picks, you then have to rely heavily on FAs to build a team around. While their net loss is only 2 first rounders and a ’12 2nd rounder, it’s still a lot–Manning only netted the Chargers a 3rd in 04 and a 1st and 5th in 05–and he’s gone on to win 2 SBs–plus he came from a pro-type offense. Plus, NFL defenses aren’t as simple as college defenses.

  44. dontbeskerritt says: Mar 10, 2012 10:10 PM

    Why do people keep saying the Redskins will have no picks to build a team? Skins will have 18 picks for the next 3 years starting with 7 this year. That + a franchise QB that fits your system = good deal

  45. t16rich says: Mar 10, 2012 10:12 PM

    Sexy headline

  46. kuantan97 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:15 PM

    Maybe I can end this once and for all: the Foreskins ARE giving up three 1sts for RGIII. One pick will be used for when they draft him. The other two 1sts will go to the Rams. If RGIII is a bust, you can say it cost the Foreskins three 1sts. Any questions?

  47. bigmike7914 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:18 PM

    Please stop saying they gave up three 1st round picks because they didn’t, this is what happened, the Skins give the Rams a 2nd round pick this year to swap spaces with them, and give them a 1st round pick next year and the year after that so for people that just dont get it, the skins gave up a 2nd round pick this year and two 1st round picks in the subsequent years to come.

  48. spenserhatch says: Mar 10, 2012 10:19 PM

    Ok, I know this has been stated before, but dear god someone help me before I go all Hulk Smash on everyone. Can someone, anyone, PLEASE enlighten the media “experts” that we gave up TWO, NOT THREE 1st round picks. Unless I am sorley mistaken, we wlll STILL have a 1st this year… Otherwise we would apparently just be Given RG3 from the NFL at the expense of NO draft pick.

    Are we losing THIS years overall 6th pick? YES! BUT, we are GETTING a HIGHER PICK #2 OVERALL THIS FREAKING YEAR. OMG, it really is not rocket science. If I read another article, or hear another radio hack lamenting our “unprecidented THREE 1st rounders” I’m seriously going to freak out. Ok to recap

    A. We not only KEEP this years 1st round pick, but in FACT, it is a HIGHER pick than we innitially had.

    B. We give up next years 1st = ONE FIRST ROUND PICK

    C. We give up our 1st rounder in 2014 = ONE FIRST ROUND PICK

    D. If we Add those two numerals togegeer, hang with me now I know this is getting crazy complicatped, we get…. Drum roll please…….

    TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS!!! TOTAL. PERIOD. END OF STORY ( I know there is also this years 2nd rounder, but I’m trying to keep it simple for the media experts that get paid large sums of money to disect these things).

    Holy Crap, I’m starting a website, ww.oneplusone=TWO.freakingcom

    I know the world, nay, the UNIVERSE hates the skins, but OMG is it that hard? really?!?! The answer sadly is.. YES. So Because of all the brain dead idiot blowhards that love the sound of “THREE FIRST ROUNDERS!!” will never get it…. I’m going to break it down this way.

    We Traded THREE FIRST ROUNDERS…. FOR…… RG3 AND a FIRST ROUND PICK. Not a bad deal eh?? DOH’

  49. matthewcarlson1 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:21 PM

    hatesycophants says:
    Mar 10, 2012 9:56 PM
    This was a terrible trade. Ridiculous. You get the guy you want, but you can’t help him through the draft for 3 years? I expect Griffin to be successful in the NFL. However, Washington and the Rat will never benefit from his success. The Rams and Washington will both regret this “cartoonish” trade.
    ——————————————————–
    Why would the Rams ever regret this trade? They have their QB already, they only moved down 4 spots, and they’re gonna have 2 first rounders in the next 2 drafts that will probably be high picks. If I was a Rams fan I would be psyched right now. I think the Skins will regret this but it might pay off.. only time will tell for them but the Rams win no-matter what

  50. 16x8equal49ers says: Mar 10, 2012 10:22 PM

    Andrew Luck goes to Redskins & RG3 to the Colts haha wouldn’t that be a huge surprise

  51. nomoreseasontix says: Mar 10, 2012 10:24 PM

    Griffin better be what they think or they’ve shot themselves in the foot.
    It could be the gift that keeps on giving…

    I think they’re nuts, myself…

  52. berrianthehatchet says: Mar 10, 2012 10:25 PM

    What if RG3 pulls an Eli Manning and says he will absolutely not play for the Redskins. Hilarious!

  53. hailskins4life says: Mar 10, 2012 10:27 PM

    On three articles I have seen post after post commenting on how RG3 will not have any draft picks around him for the next three years. Did I miss something? Did Washington trade their 2-7 round picks the next two years also? Did they somehow lose their 3rd, both 4ths, both 5ths, 6th and 7th rounder this year? Do people think you only find starters in the first round? Would they think it was a great trade if they had given up 2 future 2nds instead?

    Was it a steep price? Of course! No risk, no reward. The franchise has not had a good (just good, not even great) qb in 20 years. If they got a great qb, then it was a great trade. Skins drafted 6th this year. If RG3 gets them to 8-8 next year, that would be around 15-19 range. The next year they make the playoffs that would be around the 20-26 range. Since the Skins were not in the top 5 this year, what makes anyone think that St. Louis will be gaining any top 5 picks?

  54. spenserhatch says: Mar 10, 2012 10:30 PM

    mikebe1 says:
    Mar 10, 2012 9:30 PM
    Yea but u don’t buy a house and not be able to eat for 3 years either smart guy.

    With 20 draft picks the next 3 years, and FORTY MILLION UNDER the cap THIS YEAR alone, I’m sure they can get a few packages of ramen noodles. But lets not let logic get in the way of foolish hater banter. Fool.

  55. KIR says: Mar 10, 2012 10:30 PM

    Well, the best thing about last year is that Cam made a fool out of 80% of you all. I only see a third of the hate/bust comments for RG3 that Cam received. lol Someone should go back and copy and paste some of the very worst of those comments from last year. Kind of funny how Luck gets very few hate/bust comments.

  56. bleedingreen says: Mar 10, 2012 10:34 PM

    Now all he’ll need is some WR’s that are worth a crap. A running back. An OL. Then maybe the skins will be relevant.

  57. phreakin says: Mar 10, 2012 10:35 PM

    Well, the Skins “technically” gave up 3 first round picks for him. If you agree that Luck goes 1 and RG3 goes 2. Just look at it this way, if the Rams draft RH3 and trade him to the skins for the same deal after they pick him, the Skins ARE giving up 3 first round picks and a second. Because if they made the trade after the Rams picked him that’s exactly what they would be giving up. Their 6th pick this year, and the next 2 first rounders. Thus 3.

  58. gweez76 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:38 PM

    kuantan97 says:
    Mar 10, 2012 10:15 PM
    Maybe I can end this once and for all: the Foreskins ARE giving up three 1sts for RGIII. One pick will be used for when they draft him. The other two 1sts will go to the Rams. If RGIII is a bust, you can say it cost the Foreskins three 1sts. Any questions?

     ——————-

    So if it’s used how is it “given up” there dummy? It’s exchanging 2012 1st round picks in return for an additional 2nd this year and two future 1st rounders. You’re not smart.

  59. jetsetfred says: Mar 10, 2012 10:38 PM

    First round picks don’t turn out well most of the time.. so to get a sure fire solid pick in RG3 then your curve your risk and save some 1st round pick money and draft well in those 2nd and 3rd rounds and replace those 1st rounders with good free agents right now than later to help your franchise QB.. if you can get one you get em! coming from a Texans Fan…

  60. jason1214 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:38 PM

    Redskins fans,
    I have no dog in this fight, but the reason many think this trade is poor, is simply due to the high failure % of highly drafted qb’s. Skins are taking a HUGE risk. Its that simple.

  61. randygnyc says: Mar 10, 2012 10:38 PM

    For you ignorant motherf@ckers that can’t solve a math equation;
    It will have cost the skins 3 1st rounders, and the 2nd rounder, to acquire RG3. 2 future first rounders, and the 2nd, shipped of to St Louis, and this years first round pick, to the NFL during the draft. Imbeciles…..

  62. sundevilslegit says: Mar 10, 2012 10:42 PM

    This really is two first round draft picks and a number two.

    But tell me this. Who was the sixth pick in the draft three years ago, the 14th pick in the draft four years ago and the 19th pick in the draft five years ago? Without looking it up, you have no clue.

    The point is that the draft is such a crap shoot, getting something as close to certain as this is really a good deal for the Redskins.

  63. babyhorsemorgan says: Mar 10, 2012 10:43 PM

    Lol, the difference in draft chart value between what they got for passing on Gabbert last year, and trading up for Griffin this year works out to somewhere near the equivalent of a second overall pick in the draft. Assuming the Skins have average seasons the next two years. Less than average (more likely), and it becomes the equivalent of the first overall pick in the draft. Maybe Matt Barkley next year. The irony is that Gabbert is the same age, and from the same recruiting class, and was rated a lot higher a year ago by the NFL draft board. Griffin didn’t bother coming out, they told him he’d be a mid round pick in 2011. So, suddenly he is worth Gabbert PLUS a first or second overall pick in the draft?

  64. 7to10for6allday says: Mar 10, 2012 10:49 PM

    If I was a skins fan I guess I’d be excited bc the skins have sucked ass for 20 years. And if rG3 isn’t as good as advertised then what’s the loss?? They’ll keep sucking. At least they’re trying….HOWEVER, you still need to convince FA to come to DC, which is not as easy as it sounds. Ps eagles will still be better than skins thus year.

  65. slick3 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:52 PM

    deanvernonwormer says:Mar 10, 2012 9:29 PM

    “Daniel Snyder is always “falling in love”. He fell in love with Haynesworth. How’d that work out? About as well as the time I fell in love. Just like him I’m still paying.”

    LOL! You too?

  66. bucks12965 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:56 PM

    yycfin, you made me lol! I think John Beck must be on here & he’s your one thumbs down.

    I wouldn’t have made this trade. I would have signed Flynn. But hopefully RG3 will be great. The Skins sure have a lot of other holes yet to fill.

  67. slick3 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:59 PM

    Everyone keeps saying 3 1st round picks, but it’s really only 2 since they’re swapping this years pick. Bold move, but I think it’s worth the risk.
    ==================================

    That’s why they had to give up this year’s second. It kinda evens out.

  68. huskersrock1 says: Mar 10, 2012 11:01 PM

    God some of you are R-tarded.

    The Redskins traded this years 1st and 2nd, Next years first, and their 1st in 2014 for the rights to draft RGIII.

    RGIII = 3 1sts and one 2nd.

    Sure the premium to move up is only 2 1sts and one 2nd.

    But since they are using the number 6 pick in the trade to get the number two pick that is RGIII, RGIII is costing them 3 first rounders and one second.

  69. bigblueapple says: Mar 10, 2012 11:04 PM

    They are in a division with the Super Bowl Champion pass-rushing Giants. You can’t blame them for trading anything and everthing they have of value for a young QB prospect that can run for his life.

  70. staffordsyear says: Mar 10, 2012 11:05 PM

    I rent.

  71. huskersrock1 says: Mar 10, 2012 11:05 PM

    They have to use the 2nd pick to actually draft RGIII, therefore RGIII is costing them three firsts and one second.

  72. wwrg3d says: Mar 10, 2012 11:16 PM

    I am lifelong Redskins fan and have watched my team struggle for the last 20 years. We have not had a “franchise QB” since Joe Theismann. Let’s see we had Jay Schroeder, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Heath Shuler, Gus Frerotte, Trent Green, Brad Johnson, Tony Banks, Shane Matthews, Patrick Ramsey, Mark Brunell, Jason Campbell, Donovan McNabb and Rex Grossman since Theismann. This is a proud franchise with a great fan base. The Redskins needed to make this move. The need a face of the franchise and RG3 is it. Is he a little goofy with the action figures and the comic books? Some might say so but at least he is not making pipes out of them or rolling blunts in them. This a smart, sharp, extremely mature, grounded young man who happens to be a freakish athlete. He is not out dog fighting or sexually assaulting young women. He is going to let his play speak for him and he will earn the respect of his teammates on the field.

    Did they give up too much for him? Way too early to tell. Moving up 4 spots to draft him is worth a second round pick. So essentially, the Skins gave up 2013 and 2014 first round picks to get him. You could get Mike Wallace and have to pay him a large contract and give up a first round pick too. In a city where the fan base is in desperate need of hope, RG3 gives us hope. He will make great plays with both his arms and his legs. He will get the ball to Gaffney and Moss in stride because he can throw the ball more than 45 yards which is something that Rex can’t do. Nobody knows if he is going to be as good as Cam Newton. But I ask you this…knowing what you know now, would you trade 2 first round picks for Cam Newton? If he is a bust, we gave up too much. If he is as great as some say he might be, he is worth 4 first round picks! The Redskins have one of the youngest teams in the league and 6 picks in this years draft, including the 2nd overall, and more than $40M in cap space. They should be able to address some other needs via free agency with proven 4 or 5 year players that might be better this year than the 2nd round pick we gave up this year as well as the number 1’s in 2013 and 2014. In a city that has been stuck in mediocrity what have you got to lose? I mean they have only won 17 games in the last 3 years combined. I am all in on RG3 and firmly believe the reward will be well worth the risk. HTTR

  73. slick3 says: Mar 10, 2012 11:17 PM

    16x8equal49ers says:Mar 10, 2012 10:22 PM

    Andrew Luck goes to Redskins & RG3 to the Colts haha wouldn’t that be a huge surprise
    ====================================================================

    Yes! And, No! That would be bad. Very, very bad.

  74. boysrollpt2 says: Mar 10, 2012 11:18 PM

    huskersrock1 says: Mar 10, 2012 11:01 PM

    God some of you are R-tarded.

    The Redskins traded this years 1st and 2nd, Next years first, and their 1st in 2014 for the rights to draft RGIII.

    RGIII = 3 1sts and one 2nd.

    Sure the premium to move up is only 2 1sts and one 2nd.

    But since they are using the number 6 pick in the trade to get the number two pick that is RGIII, RGIII is costing them 3 first rounders and one second.

    no use trying….somethings are just over your pay grade may friend….. At least you can write out a thought unlike

    randygnyc says: Mar 10, 2012 10:38 PM

    For you ignorant motherf@ckers that can’t solve a math equation;
    It will have cost the skins 3 1st rounders, and the 2nd rounder, to acquire RG3. 2 future first rounders, and the 2nd, shipped of to St Louis, and this years first round pick, to the NFL during the draft. Imbeciles…..

    Sir….you need to relax….

  75. slick3 says: Mar 10, 2012 11:20 PM

    berrianthehatchet says:Mar 10, 2012 10:25 PM

    What if RG3 pulls an Eli Manning and says he will absolutely not play for the Redskins. Hilarious!
    ====================================================================
    Ha! Ha! I was thinking that myself. But, there’s no chance… Is there?

  76. indywilson40 says: Mar 10, 2012 11:29 PM

    Andrew Luck>RG3

  77. deanvernonwormer says: Mar 10, 2012 11:36 PM

    boysrollpt2:

    You think Snyder’s not in on the decisions being made with HIS money?

    I’d be careful using any name with the word “boy” in it.

    And if you’re talking about the Cowboys you got that right. They roll over like dogs every season. LOL That Jet game to start last season was a real knee slapper!

  78. detroitrollin22 says: Mar 10, 2012 11:40 PM

    RGIII will change this franchise for the better. Great Move by the Redskins.

    Now they just gotta go out and get Vincent Jackson in FA.

  79. cuffhimbanano says: Mar 10, 2012 11:41 PM

    So if a team trades the 20th overall pick and a 3rd rounder for the 15th overall pick we can all agree that the team moving up netted a loss of 1 first round pick?

    That’s what I thought.

    Morons.

  80. kuantan97 says: Mar 11, 2012 12:05 AM

    “So if it’s used how is it “given up” there dummy? It’s exchanging 2012 1st round picks in return for an additional 2nd this year and two future 1st rounders. You’re not smart.”

    Super. So the skins can just send the two first rounders and a 2nd to the Rams and RGIII will just magically appear on the Skins? Listen, turbo, they ultimately have to spend this year’s 1st round pick to get RGIII. That equals three 1sts. They trade the three 1sts and a 2nd to the Rams in exchange for the 2nd overall pick, as someone pointed out earlier the Skins are only essentially losing two 1sts in the trade. But they will have to spend this year’s pick to actually draft RGIII. That means that in gross they are using three 1sts to get Griffin. Make sense?

  81. banvard316 says: Mar 11, 2012 12:06 AM

    @joemichaelsstudios….who is tthis Payton you speak of?

  82. jetsetfred says: Mar 11, 2012 12:06 AM

    would love to see RG3 coming out of a bootleg! draft that kid from Oregon in the 3rd to be in your backfield… you got something! ohh and sign Vincent Jackson.. better than any WR in this draft… hell they may win it all next year! lolzz

  83. jwreck says: Mar 11, 2012 12:10 AM

    Moosev made an excellent point above, similar to what I have been saying to all the DC area naysayers for the last couple months. Everyone’s going on and on about how the Redskins need to build through the draft, and can’t afford to give up their 2013 and 2014 first round picks. The Skins have needed a franchise quarterback for over a decade, but have always played just a little too well to be able to grab one in the draft. Pick #6 may be as close as we’re going to get for a long time. Considering how much it cost to trade from #6 to #2, do we really want to build for two more years and end up picking around #12 or #13 and then being forced to trade to #2?

    Considering that it took two surplus first round picks and a second rounder to move up four spots, the cost to move from #13 to #2 would be unimaginable. This is the position the Seahawks are in right now. They’ve done a pretty respectable job building all the foundations of a good team, unfortunately for them, the direct result is that it will now be very difficult for them to land a true franchise quarterback.

  84. plum13sec says: Mar 11, 2012 12:10 AM

    how much would a trade of the colts pick pull? i cant imagine someone giving 4 first rounders. thats insane

  85. nfl1818 says: Mar 11, 2012 12:18 AM

    can people get a clue ?

    They are swapping picks and the cost to move 4 slots is 2 1sts and a second.

    As far as analysis of value, u cant discuss the trade without reference to the Rivers/Eli swap which I posted last night – on that basis, the skins overpaid, especially since the Rams were clearly sellers.

    But context also important as you can also build through FAs and trades – it’s not only about that draft where 50% of the 1st rnd players deliver at 2nd and 3rd or lower round levels.

    Further, context means assessing where the skins are – they have an adequate D, so this plus decent FAs might be a huge difference.

    I think they overpaid given it looked like a 1-1 battle vs the Browns w/ Rams as clear sellers, but IF he delivers, it will be forgotten – the best QBs have delivered results for 10-12 years.

    If you can’t get Manning and are not confident in Fknn and need a QB, you need to act. Aside from Smith, no sub-top-10 QB has delivered a big playoff run in recent years.

    ps. Not a skins or nfc fan.

  86. ttommytom says: Mar 11, 2012 12:20 AM

    The reason people are saying 3 picks is because RG3 is being mentioned in the equation.

    3 1st rounders + 1 2nd rounder = RG3

    I understand the first rounders cancel each other out BUT it is technically correct to say 3. Plug in names instead of numbers and it should then be clear.

  87. marinephinfan says: Mar 11, 2012 12:25 AM

    How did the redskins give up their first round pick this year? Didn’t they go from 6th to 2nd pick overall? Is the writer of this article stupid?

  88. davidgq says: Mar 11, 2012 12:35 AM

    Hate to say it, but Skins traded the FARM for RG3

    This is what they have left to draft

    2012 – 1, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7
    2013 – 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7
    2014 – 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7

    Poor Redskins. They traded the FARM and now won’t have any draft picks left for the next 3 years.

    Wait, what do you say? You can’t build a play off team without first round picks for two years? Then why do teams draft 2 – 7 if only first round counts. What do you mean there are no Probowlers can be found from Rd 2 – 7? Oh yeah, forgot that there is FA each year also. What do you mean Skins is 40 mil under the cap? That’s impossible. I thought Snyder is running that team still. Didn’t they go out and sign Big Name FAs last year and the year before? Oh, forgot. The Dream Team did.

  89. musicman495 says: Mar 11, 2012 12:40 AM

    There is one other reason this trade is smart for Washington that no one has mentioned – by spending the next three first round picks now, those picks cannot be part of a penalty assessed against Washington for anything Gregg Williams did while coaching there. Any picks taken now from Washington will have less value.

  90. thcnote says: Mar 11, 2012 12:44 AM

    I think this ends up being a good move.

  91. ahem1932 says: Mar 11, 2012 12:51 AM

    Hey folks… Seriously…

    You can be condescending and say we lose a third pick, but… it was to be used this draft anyway which makes the term (losing) it null and void. People are gonna be @holes regardless, but we (use) this year’s pick to draft a qb to fit our system and subsequently (lose) this year’s 2nd rounder and 1st rounders the next two years.

  92. zampft says: Mar 11, 2012 12:55 AM

    so glad Allen’s no longer with the Bucs

  93. bobhk says: Mar 11, 2012 1:13 AM

    huskersrock1 says:
    Mar 10, 2012 11:01 PM
    God some of you are R-tarded.

    The Redskins traded this years 1st and 2nd, Next years first, and their 1st in 2014 for the rights to draft RGIII.

    RGIII = 3 1sts and one 2nd.

    Sure the premium to move up is only 2 1sts and one 2nd.

    But since they are using the number 6 pick in the trade to get the number two pick that is RGIII, RGIII is costing them 3 first rounders and one second.
    —————–
    You are stup1der than anyone on this board.

    “RGIII = 3 1sts and one 2nd.”

    Duh. That’s obvious. But, anyone else they could have picked at #6 would have cost them #6 pick (if they hadn’t completed the trade). Everybody taken in the first round costs a pick. That is the baseline.

    “Anyone else picked at #6 without trade = 1 1st round pick”

    The additional cost is 2 future first rounders + 1 second round this year.

    When comparing you don’t factor in the baseline cost, which is #6 this year.

    Will RG3 be worth the additional premium remains to be seen. Don’t crucify Skins before you’ve had a chance to see how RG3 plays. Can’t blame them for making a bold move. They’ve not had
    a franchise QB in decades.

    Before you spout junk at least understand some basics.

  94. footbal1q says: Mar 11, 2012 4:14 AM

    If we didn’t beat the super bowl champs last year twice…This ish would have been cheaper! HAIL!!

  95. footbal1q says: Mar 11, 2012 4:31 AM

    I’m a real Redskins fan … I remember when we used to be great organization sadly its history… It took Joe Gibbs 2.0 to just get us to the playoffs in 2007 with bounty douche Greg Williams running the defense….I remember Heath Shuler when he was supposed to be our savior ” That guy drafted in Tenn before Peyton Manning” My only hope honestly perhaps we actually have a QB and maybe that’s worth a couple 1st round pics..However giving up that much is dumb as bricks so he must live up to it… My redskins are the Super Bowl Champions of the off seasons it seems lol … but remember no one spends loot like Danny Synder we will add the right pieces . However please remember we haven’t had a franchise QB since ummm when?…. HAIL!

  96. firstroyal says: Mar 11, 2012 4:34 AM

    It is simiple if you think about it

    To move up it cost the redskins- swap of thier first this season, 2 1st over the next two seasons and a second round pick (2 Firsts)

    To AQUIRE griffin it costs the redskins this seasons 1st to DRAFT griffen and the next TWO seasons firsts for the rams (3 Firsts)

    See it from both sides of the arguement and you wont have a problem figuring it out.

  97. skinsfan4life123 says: Mar 11, 2012 4:34 AM

    Redskins are Payton’s sloppy seconds….Settled for RG3

    ==================================
    Hey dumbfck, we have been negotiating with the rams since the combine, we have been actually attempting to get manning AND STILL put as much effort into getting RG3. Cleveland offered the rams a matching deal and we already had a deal in pleace to take him, if for some reason the browns beat our deal and it was accepted would you be on their board crying how they got screwed? Fnk you, moron. Who gives the slightest fck where manning goes, he’s one hit away from being in a wheelchair. We HAVE our franchise qb now… that’s all that matters, for morons like you who have no clue about our franchise, this was the best move, simpleton. Learn football.

  98. NakedCowboy! says: Mar 11, 2012 5:21 AM

    get rich or die tryin… usually end up dead…

  99. thebigkahuna23 says: Mar 11, 2012 5:24 AM

    Alright people for the final time. The skins swapped first rounders and threw in two first rounders and a second rounder.

    For the people saying that 1st rounders don’t pan out, you are stupid. What would you propose the skins do?
    Suck until we get lucky and a qb falls in our lap? Why don’t you ask the Giants how much they now like the trade they made to get Eli manning.

    Yes I understand we don’t know yet how rg3 will pan out. However we do know he is an amazing athlete who will only get more athletic. And on top of that we also know rg3 was raised extremely well. He has some things called character, a hard work ethic, and discipline.

  100. phillybirds says: Mar 11, 2012 5:29 AM

    thanks for keeping the nfl interesting Washington.

  101. phillybirds says: Mar 11, 2012 5:34 AM

    Redskins had a solid young team last year. i dont see a problem here, especially with free agency always being an option.

  102. couchbasher says: Mar 11, 2012 5:42 AM

    what if RG3 doesn’t want to go to DC?

  103. defscottyb says: Mar 11, 2012 6:45 AM

    No, that’s not correct they gave up 2 1st round picks not 3. You cannot count swapping the #2 pick for the #6 pick as losing a pick because they did not lose a pick there (they moved up 4 spots). They lost 2 1st round picks and a 2nd rd pick to be able to pick #2 overall. The deal should of been announced as “Redskins swap the their #6 overall for the Rams #2 overall pick… and 2 (not 3) 1st rd picks and a 2nd rd pick”. That is correct…

  104. defscottyb says: Mar 11, 2012 6:50 AM

    Huskersrock1 I see your point and your thinking as if the Redskins got the #2 overall and got to keep their #6 overall and only give up 2 future 1st rd picks. Two way of looking at it I guess. The way I see it is they gave up 2 future 1st round picks and a second rd this year. Whatever the case, I just hope RG3 is worth it all.

  105. geniusesq says: Mar 11, 2012 7:29 AM

    Funny how people who were on RG3s jock are not hating on the Skins’ trade.

    Haters Gonna Hate.

  106. waltdawg says: Mar 11, 2012 7:42 AM

    How crazy would all this be if Irsay takes Rg3? At this point I don’t even want Luck…Too excited thinking about having someone like RG3 in DC!

  107. karlpilkington says: Mar 11, 2012 7:44 AM

    Hilarious how people talk bout snyders money and how bad rg is gonna suck. Just jealous. Peyton manning is turning down alot of teams and your team was prob one of them too. Httr. Manning to miami hahaha. Rg32dc

  108. stylinandprofilin says: Mar 11, 2012 8:04 AM

    There are sooo many idiots commenting that we gave up 3 first round picks. Look at it this way: we gave up 2 #1’s and a #2 for RG3. Oakland gave 2 #1’s for Carson palmer. Who do u think al Davis would rather have if he were still running the team? So basically Washington gave up the same as Oakland did for Carson and threw in an extra second round pick. I think its worth giving up the #2 rd pick to draft a younger more talented qb than CP ever was. So if people think the redskins trade is bad, how about what the raiders gave up for an old, broken down, washed up Carson Palmer?

  109. coolzog says: Mar 11, 2012 8:04 AM

    Saying you’re only giving up losing two first round picks to pick RG3, is like saying that The Raiders didn’t lose first round pick to select Jamarcus Russell.

    The net equation is:

    Three 1st round picks + a 2nd round pick for one unproven player.

    No wonder the U.S. has foreclosure issues when people can’t understand simple math. It’s the same mentality (It doesn’t cost ANYTHING because we were going to spend it anyway).

  110. northsidesteel says: Mar 11, 2012 8:27 AM

    I wish the Redskins well, we have all seen that without a top tier QB, making the playoffs and losing there is the best most teams can realistically hope for. Certainly there have been cases of a number one rated defense pulling a mid-level QB and offense along, but Washington is going “all in” on this position. It can’t work out worst than Haynesworth.

  111. annes22 says: Mar 11, 2012 8:54 AM

    It’s a lot of 1st round picks, if it doesn’t work out.
    Snyder spends money like water, and so far I’m not sure what he has for it. Maybe this works a little better.

  112. LoCoSu@%s says: Mar 11, 2012 9:34 AM

    This is the reason the redskins are faring so poorly.
    First rule of drafting – You never “fall in love” with particular players to the extent you mortgage your future.
    This is how emotions get in the way of making rational decisions.
    Getting RG3 is not the issue – it is the means they went about it and the reasoning behind it.

    GMs have to be cold blooded and not emotional.

  113. jcaro5566 says: Mar 11, 2012 10:36 AM

    I love all of the Redskin fans saying this is a great deal. These are the same ones who have been saying the “Grown ups” are now in charge since Allen and Shannahan joined and the Redskins wanted the Redskins to build their team through the draft like all the successful teams.

    Looks like that has been thrown out the door and they are back to their normal ways. All the fans are happy now just like they were when they signed Deon, Bruce Smith, Hayensworth, and all of the other high priced free agents that failed.

  114. jcaro5566 says: Mar 11, 2012 10:58 AM

    Who would you rather invest your future in? A player who had great stats in college and great combine measureables, like Vince Young, Akili Smith, David Carr, JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, and on and on, or someone like Matt Flynn who has actually proven it in the NFL.

    I think the Redskins have fallen into the pre-draft hype that happens every year. The odds the RG3 who had one great year, just like all of the other quarterbacks above failing is probably greater than 50%. Those are pretty low odds to risk your teams future on. Good Luck Redskings:)

  115. hoggy301 says: Mar 11, 2012 4:29 PM

    I’m so sick of people taking shots at the skins; I wish this sight made you post your team on the blog. Unless your team is the Cowboys, Steelers, 49ers, Packers or patriots, shut the Fu@k up!!! At least we have some hardware; no matter when we got it. Yes we have been bad since our last Super Bowl win in 1992. But at least we have great history. Some of you are on here acting like your teams have big boy rings to show off! And I said “Rings”, not Ring!!! Just cause you team has made the playoffs a few times over the last 20 yrs. doesn’t make them much better that you can be talking sh!t to former champs!! Especially when you team “Has No Rings”.. So post your team when you start typing….

  116. boysrollpt2 says: Mar 11, 2012 9:23 PM

    ttommytom says: Mar 11, 2012 12:20 AM

    The reason people are saying 3 picks is because RG3 is being mentioned in the equation.

    3 1st rounders + 1 2nd rounder = RG3

    I understand the first rounders cancel each other out BUT it is technically correct to say 3. Plug in names instead of numbers and it should then be clear.

    With this logit then you need to put the name of the rams selection. So then it would be blackmon? 2 1st and a sec. Take your own advise. It’s good.

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