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Report: Full return of Peyton’s arm strength “still far off”

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With the Dolphins desperate to put asses in the seats and the Broncos apparently desperate to find a way to kick Tim Tebow’s ass out of town, the question of Peyton Manning’s arm strength has gotten lost in the scramble to sign him.

Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports, citing three unnamed sources, reports that, while Peyton’s arm strength is improving, a full recovery is “still far off.”

“So far, so good,” a source with one of the teams interested in Manning told Cole.  “The question is still where is it going to stop, but the progress over the past month has been steady and that’s what you’re looking for.”

Fine, but the “where is it going to stop” line should be causing some concern, shouldn’t it?

“Some of this stuff is in the eye of the beholder,” another source told Cole.  “I don’t think there’s anything there that would discourage you from going forward, but you’d have to consider the risk.”

Different teams will have different levels of risk tolerance.  For Dolphins owner Stephen Ross, the risk can be justified by the tickets that would be sold the moment Manning becomes a member of the team.  Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald said on Friday’s PFT Live that, when the Dolphins traded for quarterback Daunte Culpepper six years ago, ticket sales instantly spiked.  With Manning, the numbers will soar.

For the Broncos, acquiring Manning — who even at 50 percent arm strength will be an upgrade over Tim Tebow as it relates to qualities like anticipation, decision-making, and accuracy — gives the franchise a way to move on from their mobile franchise quarterback.

It should be no surprise, then, that Cole mentions in his report that at least one team is willing to sign Manning without seeing him throw.

We think the accurate number is two.  And it’s likely the two teams would be signing him for reasons unrelated to just how far and hard he can throw a ball.

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58 Responses to “Report: Full return of Peyton’s arm strength “still far off””
  1. 4ever19 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:13 AM

    Can’t believe any team would sign Peyton – yes, even Peyton – without seeing him throw. That would be like signing AP without seeing his knee take a hit.

  2. dubaradhandi says: Mar 10, 2012 10:16 AM

    Why Would Denver want another QB who cannot throw?

  3. kandh2004 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:17 AM

    I think it’s 3 teams that would sign him without throwing don’t forget the Chiefs

  4. baltimorons says: Mar 10, 2012 10:18 AM

    It’s amazing how much the higher ups in the Broncos hate Tebow.

  5. cuda1234 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:20 AM

    Will Peyton’s career end like Tony Boselli’s? Anyone remember the greatest player in Jag’s history signing with the Titans, insisting he was healthy enough to play? I didn’t think so?

  6. mrbigass says: Mar 10, 2012 10:20 AM

    Surely Manning would not sign without showing them his progress by throwing.

    And I can’t imagine any team signing him without something besides a wild ass guess as to his ability to throw the ball.

    This whole thing is just madness……..

  7. dewalt2990 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:22 AM


  8. packerbackernj says: Mar 10, 2012 10:22 AM

    Even if he can’t drop bombs any more. If he’s still has good velocity between 5-20 yards and still has the intelligence he’ll always have, to know where to go with the ball, I’d still take him over 70% of the QBs in the league.

  9. caseyanthonymunoz says: Mar 10, 2012 10:25 AM

    Even healthy he was a guy who couldn’t win in the postseason and who only put up huge numbers in a dome. Some team is going to regret it if they pay him big money and mortgage their future for an old, broken down QB who was overrated to begin with.

  10. huejackson says: Mar 10, 2012 10:26 AM

    i dont trusy anything that comes from YAHOO!
    For 1 well they write for a failing website named YAHOO!
    2 These guys are not pros and have no real sources.
    Look at Mike Silver, this guy hates the Raiders so much he made up a whole fake story about how Al Davis hated his own son! In fact Silver wrote a story about Al yelling at Mark on a private Jet..
    yes it was only AL AND MARK on the JET yet somehow Silver knows Al was yelling at Mark.. IS SILVER A GHOST? DOES HE HAVE SUPER POWERS THAT CAN MAKE HIM INVISIBLE?

  11. usmutts says: Mar 10, 2012 10:26 AM

    Let me repeat (once again):

    Manning will sign with whoever will pay the most guaranteed dollars without asking him to toss a football in front of coaches.

  12. mjkelly77 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:28 AM

    Even if the Swamp Boy doesn’t demo throw, the truth will start to leak out. He can’t throw. He’s done. He’s just looking to swindle another owner into paying him another $24+ million for nothing. Greedy Swamp Boy. Caveat Emptor.

  13. wryly1 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:29 AM

    Or put another way: Manning will be as big a draw as he ever was – at least initially – but may not be the QB he once was.

    Of course that can’t and won’t be known until after the tickets are sold. This is about a couple of owner’s business gambit way more than a sound football choice.

    If it were known he’d be as good as ever – he’d have signed with a playoff-ready team like Houston already. But Houston isn’t even in the mix, because they aren’t convinced he’ll come back to be better than Schaub.

  14. jbaxt says: Mar 10, 2012 10:31 AM

    You think AP would take a hit in a workout for a team if he were available? At least make a comparable analogy.

  15. mjkelly77 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:31 AM

    “It should be no surprise, then, that Cole mentions in his report that at least one team is willing to sign Manning without seeing him throw.”

    Fools and their money are soon parted. This is a classic con game. Caveat Emptor.

  16. terripet says: Mar 10, 2012 10:31 AM

    Jason Cole you don’t have a clue go have another burger

  17. madmax80 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:32 AM

    Can’t believe any team would sign Peyton – yes, even Peyton – without seeing him throw. That would be like signing AP without seeing his knee take a hit.


    Or like drafting Willis McGahee after tearing out his knee in college, but knowing that he is progressing well in his recovery and will be on schedule to start the next season.

    Something like that.

  18. MichaelEdits says: Mar 10, 2012 10:34 AM

    While Manning tours most of the NFL, Brett Favre sits crying on his tractor.

  19. istateyourname says: Mar 10, 2012 10:34 AM

    The Clots knew him best and the Clots let him go.

  20. greenpacker says: Mar 10, 2012 10:38 AM

    or it would be like signing Matt Flynn before ever seeing him without an all pro receiving corps

  21. rip4gehrig says: Mar 10, 2012 10:38 AM

    I am a Seahawks and a Manning fan and T-Jack is horrible but I would rather they sign Bryant, Hawthorne and go hard after Mario Williams and/or V-Jack or Colsten.

  22. ranadicus says: Mar 10, 2012 10:41 AM

    Miami is in a good position to take a chance with an incentive laden contract given they have a servicable starter on the roster who will only be making $2.5 million this year.

  23. The Prophet says: Mar 10, 2012 10:43 AM

    “and the Broncos apparently desperate to find a way to kick Tim Tebow’s ass out of town,”
    I think you’re going to be printing this line several times over the next several years!

  24. packerbackernj says: Mar 10, 2012 10:47 AM

    4ever19 says:
    Mar 10, 2012 10:13 AM
    Can’t believe any team would sign Peyton – yes, even Peyton – without seeing him throw. That would be like signing AP without seeing his knee take a hit.

    Well lets put it this way. Peyton Manning is not known to be an idiot, because he’s not. Not only did he get his degree at Tenn in 3 years, but he has been the most calculated and methodical QB you and I will ever witness. Everything is calculated in that large head of his, from the way he speaks, to his hair cut, to how he dresses, to what endorsements he takes. The guys not dumb. He knows what is at stake, by watching first hand how Brett Favre handled the final years of his career, if he comes back to the NFL and not at the top of his game. Now, as I’ve stated, Manning is far from stupid. So do you really think he would come back to the NFL, risking his health, if he thought there was a chance he was going to come back and suck or get paralysed? Teams take chances on injured players all the time. Some pan out, others get forgotten in 2 years. Right now teams see Manning and know his biggest asset is his brain. His ability to feel the pressure, his ability to change the play at the line to help himself avoid a sack and create a play that wasn’t there when the play was called. These teams are going to take a chance on Manning because he’s a smart and focus’d player, who wouldn’t come back and ruin his legacy as one of the greatest of all time if he wasn’t 100% sure he was going to be a top 10 QB in this league. With this said I’ve hated Peyton most of my life, but yes, he is that good to take a chance on.

  25. peytonsneck18 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:47 AM

    He’s damaged goods!!! Never will be the same as before. He never had a canon for a arm and with him losing velocity and arm strenght that will provide other teams to play 15 yard cusion cause he won’t be able to throw beyond 20 yards and therefor will be a lot of int thrown, Colts fan here and seen a lot of wabbly balls thrown by Peyton before and more wabblier balls equal turnovers. Teams are just signing the big name of peyton manning but are getting his bad armed stunt double tho!!

  26. peed1 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:51 AM

    If he was ok the colts would have kept him. He is 36 not 29 and not superman. Maybe you get one season out of him, but all good things end. If he was even close to fine he would have a press comference and throw a football 40 yards on a rope.

  27. jrcoop says: Mar 10, 2012 10:54 AM

    From a business point of view Miami has the most to because of their situation. Tebow has certainly helped the Bronco’s business like him or not (likely for both). The Cards because of the deal for Kolb will be taking a loss against any finacial gain.

    So it could be assumed that Miami has greater justification finacial risk because of the incentive of greater profit margin. Therefor it should surprise no one if Ross refuses to be out bid whether Peyton throws or not.

    Say what you will about Ross’s NFL skills but as for business… you don’t become a self made billionaire (something most NFL owners aren’t) without a strong business ability.

  28. quadya says: Mar 10, 2012 10:56 AM

    Mr. Ross. Please sign Mario Williams and Matt Flynn. It’s what a smart owner would do.

  29. mrslay1 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:56 AM

    well mjelly the swamp scum crawls out of his pit again!

  30. glac1 says: Mar 10, 2012 10:58 AM

    the Colts aren’t stupid. They know his playing days are least at a NFL level. Peyton is caught in no mans land until his daddy gives him permission to retire.

  31. willkerns says: Mar 10, 2012 11:02 AM

    I agree with you Rip. I’m not a tjack fan but sign The big guy and shore up the d-line.

  32. jrcoop says: Mar 10, 2012 11:03 AM

    As for Mannings arm. Since many had been speculating he wouldn’t throw again one should consider these reports encouraging. Unless of course he signs with a team that isn’t you favorite.

  33. cowboyhater says: Mar 10, 2012 11:05 AM

    That trade for RGIII is looking better and better.

  34. xpensivewinos says: Mar 10, 2012 11:08 AM

    Ross has proven to be brilliant in the real estate game. No one is questioning that……….but he’s a buffoon as an NFL owner and he proves it over and over again every time he opens his mouth and with every chase that ends in humiliating defeat.

    And unfortunately for Dolphins fans, the person he has in charge of all football decisions is also a liability.

    Doesn’t it seem odd that Dan Marino (Peyton Manning admitted idol) has said publicly that he won’t try to influence Manning’s decision, but if Manning asks, he’ll give him his opinion. What does that say about what Dan Marino thinks of Ross & Ireland???????

  35. mjkelly77 says: Mar 10, 2012 11:11 AM

    4ever19 says:
    Mar 10, 2012 10:13 AM

    Everything is calculated in that large head of his (Manning) … do you really think he would come back to the NFL, risking his health, if he thought there was a chance he was going to come back and suck or get paralysed?

    Yes, I do.

    He’ll never make it into a game. He’ll just collect his $24+ million and laugh to himself at whoever signed him. He’ll put on that Gomer Pyle face and say he’d love to play but the doctors told him not to. Greedy Swamp Boy. Caveat Emptor.

  36. hitwithafade says: Mar 10, 2012 11:49 AM

    Tebow would work better as a Jaguar…Peyton and drafting Weeden makes sense for Denver…even if Peyton works out as planned and Weeden is 32 before he gets his opportunity…it’s a win win…Weeden will be virtually free from ever getting smacked around and Denver will be marquis …besides they’ve already sold enough Tebow jerseys to buy Manning a small country

  37. bucks12965 says: Mar 10, 2012 11:57 AM

    He will never play again. He will get paid…basically for nothing.

  38. mullman7675 says: Mar 10, 2012 12:02 PM

    Greedy swamp boy? So kelly, which team of yours did Peyton smoke for the past 14 yrs? And just say “buyer beware”- repeating caveat emptor is just a veiled attempt to sound like you know what you’re talking about, when in reality…
    BTW- not a colts fan…

  39. claymatthewsisonsteroids says: Mar 10, 2012 12:03 PM

    If I was Denver, I would take Peyton at 50% over Tebow at 100%…

  40. skinspop102 says: Mar 10, 2012 12:13 PM

    Makes the Redskins trade for RGIII look that much better. With Peyton still being gimpy, and Matt Flynn not as cheap as RGIII because of the rookie salary cap.

  41. rip4gehrig says: Mar 10, 2012 12:14 PM

    Anyone thinking that Manning will sign an incentive laden deal is crazy, he will never sign one and doesnt have to because there will a couple teams that will guarantee him millions, which if nothing else will sell tickets and jerseys and make an owner more money……which is what its all about right?

  42. bigoldred says: Mar 10, 2012 12:17 PM

    His neck is fine, his arm is not. Even if his arm is 70% of what it used to be, that’s a huge drop off. Even the greatest QBs arms are only slightly better than the average guy, because they are all talented. He may still be a great mental QB, just no longer a a physical one. Besides, he had a losing playoff record when he was younger, healthier, and played on teams built for him. This will end badly for all involved, except Peyton’s bank account. So, if you want to embarrass your legacy for cash you don’t need, go ahead.

  43. Deb says: Mar 10, 2012 12:19 PM

    Tebow puts butts in seats and racks up merchandise sales. Elway’s desperation to get rid of him is almost palpable. But if he dumps Tebow and Manning can’t perform, his fan problems go from bad to worse. And if by some bizarre set of circumstances Tebow comes off the bench to bail out Manning, Elway will be stuck with him for life. Best make sure Manning can do the job before inking any contracts.

  44. tmb333 says: Mar 10, 2012 12:21 PM

    Say it again…..he will resign with the Colts or retire and take a position in the Colts front office.

  45. fissels says: Mar 10, 2012 12:22 PM

    If the Broncos hate Tebow as much as you say, they should just go ahead and release him

  46. stevenfbrackett says: Mar 10, 2012 12:26 PM

    A lot of fools come on here complaining that the NFL is nothing more than flag football now – but I’d want to see some flag football if I were considering Manning. I want to see him run some basic plays against defended receivers to test his accuracy, strength, and velocity and I want some defenders trying to rip off his flags to see how he can move and react under pressure without having to take hard hit.

    Because right now, we don’t know if he can do any of those things better than the average third stringer. And I certainly wouldn’t spend the tens of millions it would take to land him until I did know with.

  47. 305fan says: Mar 10, 2012 12:31 PM

    This report came from YAHOO, the National Enquirer of sports jurnalism.

  48. AlohaMrHand says: Mar 10, 2012 12:32 PM

    Just retire,you have nothing left to prove

  49. cincybert says: Mar 10, 2012 12:39 PM

    If Manning signs with the Broncos, then isn’t Miami the logical landing spot for Tebow? If Stephen Ross is really only concerned about celebrity and selling tickets, then Tebow is the perfect fit for the Dolphins.

  50. kenny1976 says: Mar 10, 2012 12:45 PM

    the Miami Dolphins won the afc east With Chad Pennington throwing passes after numerous operations.
    Manning is capable of doing atleast what chad did.
    Remember Jets sent CP to miami and he beat Favre and won the division!!!!!

  51. armoderate says: Mar 10, 2012 1:14 PM

    Forio, your hatred of Tebow is pathetic because it’s so personal and cowardly. I “pray” that Jesus forgives Tebow for kicking your a## in some dark alley like you really deserve. It’s one thing to state your opinion that you beleve Tebow won’t be successful in the NFL. It’s another thing to say the Broncos want to run Tebow’s a## out of Denver.

  52. bsizemore68 says: Mar 10, 2012 1:16 PM

    One thing for sure, it seems that half of the comments on this blog will turn out to be wrong, so those who in up on the wrong side will come back to this site and do your Meaculpa. Bill

  53. jaydog76 says: Mar 10, 2012 1:34 PM

    caseyanthonymunoz says:
    Mar 10, 2012 10:25 AM
    Even healthy he was a guy who couldn’t win in the postseason and who only put up huge numbers in a dome. Some team is going to regret it if they pay him big money and mortgage their future for an old, broken down QB who was overrated to begin with.

     23 26 

    Dude your statement speaks volumes about the level of stupidity that you are on.

    Can we have a special “short bus” section for idiots like this guy to post on? His post just burned up 30 seconds of my life that I’ll never get back.

  54. zampft says: Mar 10, 2012 2:02 PM

    @packerbackernj you’d take him over 70% of the other quarterbacks in the league, but would you pay him 3 to 4 times as much money?

  55. edgerules says: Mar 10, 2012 2:59 PM

    Well, I wouldn’t trust Yahoo sports. However, I don’t think having Peyton Manning throw some routes before signing him would be such a terrible idea.

    Being a horse racing fan, if I were offered to buy a top racehorse in a private sale for X million dollars,
    that had ankle surgery a year ago, and was ready to run again, I would want to see the horse workout a couple of times before even considering buying him or her. That is just common sense.

    Stephen Ross, or any NFL Owner/GM who would sign Peyton Manning without at least seeing him throw would just be desperate, and stupid.

    I mean, I know this is Peyton Manning, and he is a great QB, one of the best, and the media makes him out to be a GOD, and all of that. However, he’s a human being, and not a machine. He is 36, and has a lot of years on him. I just don’t see what would be the harm in working him out to make sure a team gets something out of their investment.

  56. ksctychiefs says: Mar 10, 2012 3:20 PM

    i’m a chiefs fan and i hope the chiefs say no… disrespect to PM as he will be known as one of the greatest….but by the time PM is 60 he has a good chance of chronic pain and difficulty in moving his neck…… for the sake of PM’s health i hope he retires now…..

  57. cubear34 says: Mar 10, 2012 6:20 PM

    Poor tim tebow. Getting no love from the people that actually know how bad he is. Problem in denver seems to be that a) the fans are all fanatical catholics and would follow tebow no matter what or b) denver fans have no clue about football. Thank god management knows something about football.

  58. 1historian says: Mar 11, 2012 8:52 AM

    Q: When was the last time a team signed a free agent QB who was:

    a) 36 1/2 years old,
    b) who hadn’t thrown a serious pass in more than a year, but that team was willing to take the chance that he still could
    c) who had missed the entire previous season because of neck problems,
    d) whose older brother couldn’t even play football because of neck problems,
    e) whose record in the playoffs was below .500

    A: never

    Could there be a reason?

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