Comments on: League strips Cowboys, Redskins of millions in cap space

By: vetdana

vetdana — Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:44:31 +0000

Goodell , using 50′s parlance, “Is way to big for his britches ” !…..This is exactly what you get from a Commish with a very limited amount of football background.His Legacy well be remembered as.. “the days when the NFL got soft”.

By: yahmule

yahmule — Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:42:55 +0000

The two most obnoxious owners in the NFL get slapped down. Makes me smile.

By: johnnyblumpkin

johnnyblumpkin — Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:02:02 +0000

I have to laugh at the Cowboy and Skins fans. You’re upset because you feel your owners/GM’s are the only smart guys in the league and they’re the only ones to figure the uncapped year out. Are you kidding me? So teams with great owners and front offices like the Steelers, Ravens, Pats, etc. couldn’t figure this out but Jerry and Dan could? You are absolutely delusional. Take another hit off that crack pipe. You’re going to need it next year as you watch your teams flame out.
The only question that remains is who finishes last in the East next year. My money is on Danny Troll and his Deadskins.

By: dukemarc

dukemarc — Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:59:02 +0000

bcjim says:
Mar 12, 2012 8:29 PM
@shlort says:
Mar 12, 2012 6:34 PM
Not a difficult situation to comprehend….

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Was there a league *mandated* owner approved, voted-on, rule?

If not, it was just a suggestion, IMO. Roger G is not a dictator.

I hope Snyder sues the heck out of the league.
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Xenu’s lawyers can’t save Danny boy from being an idiot.

By: cctomas43

cctomas43 — Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:51:49 +0000

hey all you Redskins haters a little FYI … Despite the 36 million dollar hit over two years, if they split it right down the middle, we will still have over 22 million this year to spend on Free Agency.

By: scottdragosnai

scottdragosnai — Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:10:42 +0000

Sounds like a package deal to me.
Scott Dragos NAI

By: rajbais

rajbais — Tue, 13 Mar 2012 04:41:06 +0000

Daniel Snyder: WORST THING EVER TO HAVE HAPPENED TO THE REDSKINS !!!!!!!!!

Way to put your team down the toilet!!!!

Jerry Jones: WAY TO BLOW YOUR SUPER BOWL CHANCES!!!!!!!

By: jpittell

jpittell — Tue, 13 Mar 2012 03:12:25 +0000

I don’t claim to be a lawyer, yet here in the United States we have what’s called “Ex post facto” laws which PROHIBIT the retroactive punishment for something originally deemed ‘legal’ when it was originally performed. According to the Legal Dictionary, “An ex post facto law is considered a hallmark of tyranny because it deprives people of a sense of what behavior will or will not be punished and allows for random punishment at the whim of those in power.” In this scenario, does the NFL have the power to punish the Cowboys and Redskins for violating a rule that was not collectively bargained between the NFL and NFLPA? Anyone with a legal background care to jump in?

By: spytdi

spytdi — Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:44:00 +0000

This is on fire. Most commented on PFT release ever?

By: bcjim

bcjim — Tue, 13 Mar 2012 00:29:46 +0000

@shlort says:
Mar 12, 2012 6:34 PM
Not a difficult situation to comprehend….

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Was there a league *mandated* owner approved, voted-on, rule?

If not, it was just a suggestion, IMO. Roger G is not a dictator.

I hope Snyder sues the heck out of the league.

By: jpb12

jpb12 — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 23:13:14 +0000

Prrof positive that Jerry JOnes is the new Al Davis

By: rexryanstoecheese

rexryanstoecheese — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 23:11:51 +0000

@realphan
@bozoforall

For those of you STILL confused on the reason the Aints are being pursued and punished for their transgressions, see below:

“During the playoffs, the league said, the sums increased. Such bounties not only circumvent the NFL’s salary cap, as extra off-the-books compensation, but also violate the NFL’s constitution and by-laws and the collective bargaining agreement, all of which state, “No bonuses or awards may be offered or paid for on-field misconduct (for example, personal fouls to, or injuries inflicted on, opposing players).”

So, yeah, its really bad and in DIRECT VIOLATION of the NFL Constitution, by-laws
and CBA.

Couple in the fact that they were working with a guy “who in October 2010 would plead guilty to federal fraud and money-laundering charges in connection with the scalping of Super Bowl tickets and the sale of bogus game-worn NFL jerseys”.

This goes far beyond the Spygate deal, where they were caught for videotaping from an illegal spot on the field. Fact is, the videotaping rule was not enforceable in it’s present day from until the beginning of the 2007 season (hence all of the memo’s sent to the teams) so speculation on what (if any) benefit NE got from videotaping prior to 2007 is irresponsible, biased and highly flawed.
Irresponsible, biased, highly flawed assertions are the norm here on PFT, unfortunately.

NE was warned in 07′, just as Dallas, Washington, New Orleans and Oakland were warned in 2011, they were all too arrogant to follow the rules though.

By: jordan1177

jordan1177 — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:53:10 +0000

How does the bounty system qualify as cheating? It was wrong, but it wasn’t cheating…

By: omegalh

omegalh — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:52:15 +0000

jmikeh73 says:
Mar 12, 2012 3:43 PM
there’s another $1.6 million the Bengals won’t spend this year.
*sigh*

^—–post of the day

By: shlort

shlort — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:34:49 +0000

Not a difficult situation to comprehend. The League said “dont try and sneak in extra cash during the uncapped year or we will spank you”. Jones and Snyder said “Eff you NFL, we are the two most arrogant owners in the League and we could care less what you think you can do!”. Well, Jerry and Danny just found out what the league can do. It would only be unfair if the NFL didnt tell teams not to do it. Is it concidence that the most spendy owners in the NFL are the ones who got dinged? These two owners have been trying to buy a Super Bowl since they took over their teams.

By: timtheenchanter1

timtheenchanter1 — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:30:39 +0000

When should we expect to see collusion charges filed by the NFLPA now that the league has admitted they had placed league-wide constraints on spending in what was supposed to be an uncapped year?

By: timtheenchanter1

timtheenchanter1 — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:28:46 +0000

I don’t suppose they’re going to fine the teams a commensurate amount of cash… or do Jerry and Danny just get to keep the money as additional profit?

By: pynflfan

pynflfan — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:24:32 +0000

@bozosforall- Sir, are u a retard? Deliberately injuring key players to win games and front loading contracts in a year with no cap is a much more serious offense than taping other teams defensive signals, and you still think the pats are worse than the SAINTS u r the definition of an arrogant NFL fan

By: roadtrip3500

roadtrip3500 — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:21:56 +0000

IIRC, the league did indeed warn teams not to overspend in the uncapped 2010 season as a cap would return with the new CBA in 2011 and overspending could count against them.

It’s like a bank you have a credit card with saying “we’re going to remove your credit limit for one year… but it will be back after that year is up, so while we’ll approve your purchases, there could be consequences when the credit limit returns, especially if you get stupid with your spending.”

By: jameslongstaffe

jameslongstaffe — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:19:03 +0000

Looks like the Redskins just dropped out of the Vincent Jackson sweepstakes. Everyone has to play by the same rules, & the Redskins have been prone to poor decision making over the past few years.

By: condor75

condor75 — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:15:02 +0000

Its simple, they broke the rules now you gotta pay the piper. Damn stop crying, lawsuit hell, read the bylaws>

By: pandebailey

pandebailey — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:38:55 +0000

You say that both salary dumping and bounties are “cheating” – I think you need to check the definition of cheating –
“breaking rules to gain an advantage” If there’s no real advantage gained, its just “breaking the rules”, like having beer on the sidelines, getting extra ticket passes or smoking dope – none of that is “cheating”, its just being naughty.

I don’t know if salary dumping is cheating or rule breaking, you didn’t explain it at all.

But can you really call bounties “cheating”? casual and no-nothing fans all assume bounties totally change the way the game is played – like they take knives or baseball bats on the field to attack Quarterbacks. Most players say it has zero effect, the game is played the same either way since the money is tiny and all hits must be fair and legal to collect. So how are bounties “cheating”? Maybe you know something we don’t.

By: st0n3r78

st0n3r78 — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:38:08 +0000

Wow, most of the posters here are as stupid as the teams being penalized. Could you NOT read that the NFL warned teams 6 different times about dumping cap money into uncapped years to gain an unfair advantage? I mean seriously, 6 times to be told to not do something. Can you get away with being told the same thing 6 different times in 1-2 years and not get fired or suspended etc?

Get a clue, the teams purposely abused the system to try and gain an advantage in an uncapped year to lavishly spend more and got caught. Good deal, i think Goodell is doing right. I also think Sean Payton deserves a 1yr+ suspension, i think the other coach who implemented it (Williams) deserves a lifetime ban from the NFL on ANY level.

Pete Rose was permanently banned from MLB because of gambling which is far less important to me than bounty hunting. The man CANT even be elected to the HOF because of his gambling, yet this coach can pay players to injure other players and not get banned?

By: erod22

erod22 — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:37:47 +0000

So uncapped has some weird definition none of us understand.

And the league approved these restructured deals at the time.

Lawsuit.

By: zn0rseman

zn0rseman — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:36:21 +0000

I love how Saints fans are trying to justify their teams actions by claiming that intentionally trying to injure and maim opponents as a way to unjustly win games, is somehow not cheating.

It is cheating because…
1: Bounties are against the rules.
2: Illegal hits are against the rules.
3: Trying to hit a guy with the intent to cause serious injury is against the rules… not to mention illegal.

The fact that the Saints won a Super Bowl as a result of that horrific misconduct is an abomination to the sport, and should shock and appall all football fans.

By: rooney24

rooney24 — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:26:21 +0000

So, the NFL has an uncapped year, and kept calling it an uncapped year. Then, when a couple of teams go ahead and spend all the money they want, since it is uncapped, they get penalized? That sounds like the teams involved have grounds for a suit. And, possibly the NFLPA (on behalf of players on those teams), since those teams now can’t spend as much on their players.

Apparently, uncapped doesn’t actually mean “without a cap”.

By: alaricsrevenge

alaricsrevenge — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:12:02 +0000

tigerphins says:
Mar 12, 2012 4:22 PM
Wait, let me get this straight……
Skins have no FA room AND no high draft picks to build around RG3??

What’s the over/under on how long it takes Washington to ruin him?

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I’d say from the moment thay made the trady to aquire the second overall pick in this years draft.

By: uwsptke

uwsptke — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:08:49 +0000

For those wondering where the proof is, the leauge has a copy of every contract signed. The evidence is right there in front of them in black and white. Paying Austin a base salary of $17 mil in year one in lieu of a large pro-rated bonus is obviously skirting the rules. Don’t hate the system, your owner(s) were warned about this numerous times and still skirted the rules.

By: firstroyal

firstroyal — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:02:27 +0000

So here is the problem with being sympothetic with the teams, washington and dallas front-loaded contracts (they did not exceed a cap in an uncapped year) they FRONT LOADED contracts. Even with all their cap being stripped this season they STILL have an advantage on multiple year contracts.

The largest paying year of a contract is often the LAST year in the contract. Not the case in washington now. Now as the years go on their salary cap will be dropping EVEN as they keep their vets. While the rest of the NFL has to struggle each year to stay UNDER the cap.

Do not feel sorry for Dallas or Washington- they will be reaping their rewards for several years AFTER this punishment.

By: rickvaldez

rickvaldez — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:01:05 +0000

You fans of other teams act like little girls. There was no rule to break. Just because Jones and Snyder can stroke a 21 mil dollar check you want to punish them?

The problem is goddell can do whatever he wants and has total control which is bs.