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So when will Peyton throw?

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A week ago, it was inconceivable that a team would sign quarterback Peyton Manning without personally inspecting his current ability to throw a football.

That word continues to not mean what I think it means.

The news that Manning won’t be making any more visits, if accurate, means that unless he threw for the Broncos and/or the Cardinals over the weekend (and he apparently didn’t), he won’t be throwing for anyone.

And so someone will be expected to offer Peyton huge money without assessing his current arm strength.

That said, teams can watch repeatedly the 27-second Zapruder film that appeared on YouTube 10 days ago.  Or maybe some more meaningful (and clear) video has been prepared for private inspection.

But is that a satisfactory substitute for Peyton grabbing a ball and showing what he can do?

The fact that the Broncos, Dolphins, and Cardinals are chasing him for reasons unrelated to his current arm strength likely has kept any of them from telling him that, if he doesn’t throw, he won’t be offered a contract.  For Denver, acquiring Manning solves the Tebow conundrum once and for all.  For Miami, having Peyton under contract will cover up those awful orange seats at SunLife Stadium with humans.  For Arizona, Peyton at 50-percent arm strength likely will be at least 150 percent better than their current alternatives.

Fewer and fewer people know Latin these days, but “caveat emptor” doesn’t refer to a place where a bear used to live.  It means “buyer beware,” and the teams who are chasing Peyton should ask themselves why a guy who has been throwing footballs all his life suddenly isn’t eager to do so.

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  1. glac1 says: Mar 12, 2012 11:12 AM

    AFTER he signs a contract. As of today reports indicate he isn’t anywhere near full strength. Archie and Peyton are just trying to get one more team to overpay and kill their cap structure.

  2. whatnojets says: Mar 12, 2012 11:13 AM

    “teams can watch repeatedly the 27-second Zapruder film ”

    Did you see Elway spyimng from the Grassy Knoll???

  3. rip4gehrig says: Mar 12, 2012 11:15 AM

    Question…..Do you think PM is the kind of person that would take a load of money from a team if he thought he couldnt throw and wasnt going to play?

  4. Kevin Kolb says: Mar 12, 2012 11:15 AM

    Miami may have learned their lesson from poking and prodding a healing Drew Brees too much.

  5. Soulman45 says: Mar 12, 2012 11:16 AM

    He will get it done it I think his arm is strong enough.

  6. packattack1967 says: Mar 12, 2012 11:17 AM

    This is the most hyped event of an unknown since the 2008 presidential election.

  7. sportsmeccabi says: Mar 12, 2012 11:17 AM

    Manning has never thrown a pass in his life. He moves his arm to look like he’s throwing it, but in reality, he’s controlling the movement of the ball with his mind. That’s why teams don’t care.

  8. forevercorr says: Mar 12, 2012 11:18 AM

    How does signing Manning solve the Tebow conundrum? Doesn’t it just deepen it?

  9. vegaskid21 says: Mar 12, 2012 11:18 AM

    This also in – Tebow hasn’t sold a jersey in a week.

  10. rip4gehrig says: Mar 12, 2012 11:19 AM

    sportsmeccabi says:Mar 12, 2012 11:17 AM

    Manning has never thrown a pass in his life. He moves his arm to look like he’s throwing it, but in reality, he’s controlling the movement of the ball with his mind. That’s why teams don’t care.

    —————————————————

    You drunk?

  11. peytonsneck18 says: Mar 12, 2012 11:20 AM

    Because he’s damaged goods. Trying to have teams fall for “the banana in the tail pipe”. Like he did with Irsay last year. I’ve been saying it all along that he has no velocity on his balls and can’t throw past 15 yards. Buyers beware is right. Don’t be the next sucker! Pass on him. He’s DONE!!

  12. deadeye says: Mar 12, 2012 11:22 AM

    So when will Peyton throw?

    ====================

    Peyton will throw when Peyton wants to throw.

    In other words, after he’s signed a three year $60,000,000 contract with Denver, Arizona, or Miami.

  13. gb4mn0 says: Mar 12, 2012 11:24 AM

    You guys can’t be that stupid or hard up for more Manning stories to pose this dumbass question? He’s not going to throw. We all know this multi-team tour has been orchestrated by his agent who was Reggie Whites agent. If you want Manning you’re going to pony up la feria plus meet his other demands and then he’ll throw for you in training camp…………period!

  14. dmartin17 says: Mar 12, 2012 11:27 AM

    I assume teams will give him a physical or at least ask to see his medical records, right?

    If they take a risk on him with at least doing that, I’m VERY worried. I assume, if healthy, he’ll be able to throw.

  15. dmartin17 says: Mar 12, 2012 11:27 AM

    If he is out looking for a new deal knowing he can’t throw, then he is worse than Brett Favre. He worse than most people, peddling a bill of false goods and would be open to a lawsuit…

  16. mark921129 says: Mar 12, 2012 11:27 AM

    “Question…..Do you think PM is the kind of person that would take a load of money from a team if he thought he couldnt throw and wasnt going to play?”

    If history teaches us anything, it’s that no fan really knows what the true personality of a player really is….

  17. billsfan27 says: Mar 12, 2012 11:29 AM

    Would Manning really jeopardize his “good guy” image over the sake of a contract? Doubtful.

    His strategy is probably to wait awhile so the suspense/anticipation goes through the roof, finally pick a team, and then go out and prove he can still sling it.

    And everyone will be in awe all over again. Especially Rex Ryan.

  18. milehigh85 says: Mar 12, 2012 11:30 AM

    Haha… Princess Bride reference. You sir, have earned a gold star for the day!!

  19. 3yardsndust says: Mar 12, 2012 11:31 AM

    Manning to teams: “These are not the droids you’re looking for. You will give me $100 million over 5 years guaranteed.”

  20. brintfatre says: Mar 12, 2012 11:33 AM

    He will never throw in the NFL again. All of this is just a scam job. The same way he scammed the Colts.

  21. clintonportisheadd says: Mar 12, 2012 11:33 AM

    Its ONLY a problem if a team is stupid enough to offer guaranteed money.

    I’d sign him today (without seeing him throw) for the NFL minimum. Then structure a contract based on games played, wins, and post season wins.

    My contract would allow a Manning that wins a Super Bowl to get paid 16 million. A Manning that never gets passed number 3 on the pre-season depth chart is allowed to retire gracefully.

  22. dvnelson72 says: Mar 12, 2012 11:35 AM

    If Peyton’s goal is to get as much $ as possible, it is brilliant to wait until free agency starts.

    RG3 and Luck are locked in. Flynn will go somewhere by Wednesday. That leaves the QB starved teams begging Manning for his services.

    Suppose Miami loses the Flynn sweepstakes, or they don’t even want him. It creates a bidding war between them, Denver and Arizona all being driven by a desperate billionaire in Miami. It’s a win win for Manning.

  23. rip4gehrig says: Mar 12, 2012 11:35 AM

    rip4gehrig says:Mar 12, 2012 11:15 AM

    Question…..Do you think PM is the kind of person that would take a load of money from a team if he thought he couldnt throw and wasnt going to play?

    ——————————————————–

    I guess this was kind of a dumb question since RG3 is getting ready to do the same thing.

  24. atrophiedambitions says: Mar 12, 2012 11:36 AM

    Denver will move Tebow to Miami the day after they sign Manning. Solves their empty orange seats problem, though not as much as Manning.

  25. animalkindness says: Mar 12, 2012 11:38 AM

    More and more speculation from these “reporters” who actually know nothing unless of course they were in on the visits. How do they know he hasn’t thrown?
    Please, just hide an watch and then open your mouth.

  26. terraj35 says: Mar 12, 2012 11:42 AM

    Id rather have Manning in a wheelchair than Tebow starting for my team

  27. jrspike says: Mar 12, 2012 11:43 AM

    The real winners will be the other 31 teams that missed out.

  28. drexelvol says: Mar 12, 2012 11:44 AM

    Training camp perhaps?

    Still waiting for Tebow to throw as well. Two seasons and it hasn’t happened yet.

  29. harness88 says: Mar 12, 2012 11:45 AM

    Iam suprised the Vikings arent going afer him.

  30. thehusker1234 says: Mar 12, 2012 11:48 AM

    Peyton going to Denver is very questionable . 40 million over the cap doesn’t help the fact he plays @ NE, @ NO, Houston, ATL, @Pitt, SD 2x, KC 2x, and Oak 2x. He is .500 outdoors in January in his career. Denver plays one game in a done this year. Playing in Denver in that altitude mixed with the elements and schedule is a pure gamble. One loss and they will call for his head like Tebow. Insane

  31. thehusker1234 says: Mar 12, 2012 11:51 AM

    8-8 @ best in Denver with that schedule.
    12-4 with AZ

  32. gmen1987 says: Mar 12, 2012 11:58 AM

    rip4gehrig says:
    Mar 12, 2012 11:15 AM
    Question…..Do you think PM is the kind of person that would take a load of money from a team if he thought he couldnt throw and wasnt going to play?

    ===================================
    Goobs, didn’t Peyton do that last year? Accepted a big contract without a physical? Hid his neck surgeries from the Colts. That Peyton Manning, Goobs.

    As Jim Irsay tweeted and is true, Peyton Manning is a politican.

  33. nflsucker says: Mar 12, 2012 11:58 AM

    Manning has never thrown a pass in his life. He moves his arm to look like he’s throwing it, but in reality, he’s controlling the movement of the ball with his mind. That’s why teams don’t care.

    ——————

    When every hiccup or raised eyebrow of Peyton or Archie or Rob Lowe gets over-reported, this becomes the most brilliant Peyton Manning observation I’ve read in the past two months of this drama.

  34. hatesycophants says: Mar 12, 2012 12:08 PM

    @packattack1967,

    We assume you’re referring to John McCain’s attempt to foist Sarah Palin upon us?

    Go Lions! Go Badgers!

  35. rabidmike says: Mar 12, 2012 12:08 PM

    So, this article is for the Dolphins? Chiefs? Titans? Because he very could have thrown for hours for the Broncos and Cardinals. I saw the video of him arriving at the Cardinals facility with a big old duffle. He carrys his xrays in that? At least 2 Cardinal recievers were at the facility at the same time. C’mon man. Stay strong fans, it’s down to 2. I wish luck, but I want Manning here in AZ.

  36. olcap says: Mar 12, 2012 12:09 PM

    “Fewer and fewer people know Latin these days, but “caveat emptor” doesn’t refer to a place where a bear used to live.”

    Did you find that out when you googled it?

  37. gatorprof says: Mar 12, 2012 12:11 PM

    Question…..Do you think PM is the kind of person that would take a load of money from a team if he thought he couldnt throw and wasnt going to play?

    *****************

    On July 30, 2011, the Colts signed Manning to a 5 year, $90 million contract. On May 23 he had neck surgery. On September 8, 2011, he had another neck surgery.

    The guy will turn 36 years old at the end of this month and is coming off neck surgeries. There is no guarantee that he can throw even 50% as well as before. How many quality years could you get out of this guy even if he was healthy?

    I agree, caveat emptor.

  38. mnsmith20 says: Mar 12, 2012 12:12 PM

    I just don’t see think he’s trying to cheat someone by not throwing for them. Remember, he turned down a fully guaranteed $100 million last year and put this option in the contract to protect the Colts. There will be enough disclosure (or protection for the team) in the final deal if he comes back. Also I can’t imagine that he would come back if he’s not going to be able to perform at a high level and put a big asterisk on how his career is remembered.

  39. marvin49 says: Mar 12, 2012 12:12 PM

    @milehigh85

    LOL..I was goiong to say the same. The Princess Bride reference made me laugh out loud. ;-)

  40. arzcardinals says: Mar 12, 2012 12:19 PM

    I know PFT doesn’t like AZ, but are they so dumb that they don’t read the papers in AZ.
    Peyton THREW to Fitzgerald and Roberts for an extended time.
    AZ is the only teams that knows.

    P.S. love the talk of Peyton to Miami – derrrrrr he didn’t even visit the team….it’s denver or AZ…my bet is he’s going to AZ…but it’s a close race.

  41. murf17 says: Mar 12, 2012 12:22 PM

    Does anyone think that he is going to do anything that is going to cast a negative light on what he has built over the last 14 seasons? He is one of the most respected players in the league by players and fans and to purposefully try to get a large payday out of some team and that say “oh by the way I can’t throw but thanks for the cash” you have to be either a Pats fan or just dumb. He has earned the right to look a owner or GM in the face, say that he will be ready, and have that person trust him because this is Peyton Manning and not Alex Smith, Flacco or any other scrub QB not names Rogers, Brady or Brees.

  42. dougydougdoug says: Mar 12, 2012 12:22 PM

    I think all you really need to consider, is that if Peyton were anywhere even close to being healthy, and able to perform, he would still be on the Colts. You don’t need to guess, or read any articles about whether he’s thrown any balls on YouTube. The proof is in the pudding. Or in his case, the proof is what ISN’T in the Colts’ pudding any longer.

  43. dbones750 says: Mar 12, 2012 12:22 PM

    I was under the impression that Peyton was the smartest QB in the league. You guys are talking about him like he’s a moron. He understands what it takes to play in the NFL and thinks he’s still capable. I doubt he’s trying to get back in for the $$$. He’s got plenty of that coming in the future.

    He wants rings and thinks he has a chance of getting them. What’s the point of coming back to go 3-13 and get benched? He’s smarter than that, guys.

  44. colt2011 says: Mar 12, 2012 12:23 PM

    And the speculation grows as media continues with their reports from imaginary ‘sources’.

    Medical reports would be part of interview. Team facilities have indoor fields. Any media at those visits who can report whether he did throw? Doubt it.

    One thing IS certain. Media DOES NOT KNOW EVERYTHING that’s going on behind closed doors-referred to as privacy and confidentiality.

    You can bet on it that there will be clauses in a contract which will address physical ability, future health and incentives.

    Peyton’s just anxious to play. He doesn’t need money. We all need to quit believing media reports-just what they think or want to believe. Not necessarily TRUE FACTS.

    Just like they said Peyton flew back to Miami. Where are the pictures from the airport arrival/car pickup and ride home? They don’t have any. For all we know he flew to New Orleans to see his Dad or California to see his agent.

    Media hype and hocus-pocus. Don’t get sucked in.

  45. mullman7675 says: Mar 12, 2012 12:27 PM

    Those who think Manning is looking to bend a team over for $$$ knowing that he can not throw are spun. I’m sure teams are looking to put some protection for themselves, in the contract, that would keep their losses to a minimum. If Peyton is hurt, he will be cut before the “guaranteed” $$$ kicks in. Just a thought…

  46. aleutria says: Mar 12, 2012 12:30 PM

    Literally it means “let the buyer beware,” as “caveat” is a jussive subjunctive form of the verb “caveo”.

  47. xpensivewinos says: Mar 12, 2012 12:36 PM

    It’s giving them way too much credit, but let’s say for the sake of argument, Miami told Manning’s camp that if they met, they expected him to throw and Manning’s people said no.

    No sense meeting at that point……

    Hate to break the news to some folks, but Flynn’s track record and Tebow’s “growing pains” are still better than a 36 year old QB coming off FOUR neck surgeries who still refuses to throw a ball before he signs a contract. This is not Peyton Manning circa 2004.

    And people say Tebow’s supporters are drinking the Kool Aid????

  48. crisper57 says: Mar 12, 2012 12:36 PM

    I think he threw in AZ. Fitz was there for 3 hours and when he left, Andre Roberts showed up at the facility.

    So Peyton got to meet with 2 Cardinal receivers yesterday. No reason to bring in a #3 receiver to meet with Manning unless he was catching passes, is there?

  49. jeff061 says: Mar 12, 2012 12:38 PM

    How irresponsible would it be for any of these teams to sign Manning based on film from 2 seasons ago?

    I can see Denver doing it – as Denver is desperate to find a way to get out from under Tim Tebow.

  50. mullman7675 says: Mar 12, 2012 12:40 PM

    The Colts are moving on from Manning because they have the #1 pick with a young franchise QB coming in.
    Better to pay the kid, start fresh and save $28 mil.
    The owners who are looking to pay Peyton boatloads of $$$ are looking to put “asses in seats”. Don’t blame Peyton.
    Those who spew against Peyton are obviously fans from the AFC South, and obviously bitter about the 10+ years of getting smoked repeatedly.

  51. krose91 says: Mar 12, 2012 12:40 PM

    Manning came out the SUV of Whisenhunt with a big big sports bag. I don’t think he had his lunch in it. Fitzgerald was there. After he left Roberts entered the building. Another Cardinals Wide Receiver. I don’t know why no one of the reporters can see the possibility that he threw the football for the Cardinals. Roberts was the 3rd or 4th Receiver on the depth chart last season. I don’t think they brought him into the facility to recruit Peyton.

  52. holdthemayo123 says: Mar 12, 2012 12:41 PM

    Perhaps never, but certainly not before some sucker team offers him $.
    I’m Peyton, I gots to get PAIDDDDD.

  53. rc33 says: Mar 12, 2012 12:52 PM

    Uh…yeah.
    That’s a very fair question: are any of you GM’s inclined to kick the tires on this used vehicle before you shell over a ton of money?

    This could turn out like the Obama Administration and Solyndra.

  54. miamike says: Mar 12, 2012 12:56 PM

    Being a Dolphin’s fan is so painful! Thank God for the Heat!

  55. bigbamboom1 says: Mar 12, 2012 1:01 PM

    No one knew the Peyton Manning medical situation as good as the Colts. And they were scared off and passed on him. So I say no way should a team take him without demo’ing the goods. And even that won’t fully tell the story. He is literally one bad or freakish hit away from a life threatening situation. Unless I was a championship caliber team that only needed that missing piece, I wouldn’t touch him. And I am a huge Peyton Manning fan. He’s one of the game’s immortals.

    But the bottom line is this IMO. History is pretty clear about fading, injured superstars changing teams and systems. They are mostly Fool’s Gold. Unitas, Namath, Montana, Favre and now, Peyton. they are often like old boxers. Incapable of knowing when it’s over. I truly wish Peyton would just hang up the cleats. He has already done it all in my book. It would break all of our hearts to see him get a catastrophic injury because of this quest with strangers.

  56. gmsalpha says: Mar 12, 2012 1:01 PM

    Team Decision Maker to Peyton: Can we at least see your medical records?

    Team Decision Maker: I’m kidding, Peyton. It was just an attempt at humor.

  57. datd00d says: Mar 12, 2012 1:07 PM

    My name is Peyton Manning. You killed my franchise. Prepare to die.

  58. sundevil1982 says: Mar 12, 2012 1:11 PM

    He’s going to the cards. Fitzgerald has been very under the radar this past week. He helped bring todd heap and kolb last year (not that either were productive).

  59. miriam45 says: Mar 12, 2012 1:12 PM

    When will Manning Throw

    Archie’s son does what his father tells him to do.
    Throw & they’ll give you zippo.
    Don’t throw and take the money

    The Mannings are not stupid – The NFL owners certainly are.

  60. deconjonesbitchslap says: Mar 12, 2012 1:20 PM

    the real question is…how many times are the broncos capable of throwing Tebow under the bus in less than 1 year?

  61. mikedrake00 says: Mar 12, 2012 1:25 PM

    There is the possibility that he has thrown & it was recorded somewhere, sometime that was actually hidden from the public. It can be done! The teams he is interested in get to look at the video. Or Elway actually snuck him to area, and say throw the ball Peyton!

  62. fngs1 says: Mar 12, 2012 1:29 PM

    rip4gehrig says: Mar 12, 2012 11:15 AM

    Question…..Do you think PM is the kind of person that would take a load of money from a team if he thought he couldnt throw and wasnt going to play?
    ——————————————————
    Didn’t he get paid $28 mil for standing on the sidelines last year. Yes, they could of put him on IR.

  63. holeinone09 says: Mar 12, 2012 1:30 PM

    Since he apparently isn’t throwing (or doing proverbial sit-ups in his driveway), then I assume he can’t throw to any meaningful degree, so why bother. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t have numerous medical reports detailing status of the rehab, etc. If he can approach 85%+ by the 3rd or 4th week of the season (ie 6+ months from now), he should be very valuable. As some said, he improves team revenue due to ticket and merch sales. He improves team offensive “smarts” even if he is on the sideline. And if he can throw reasonably well at some point, he will be better than 75% of the QBs in the league.

  64. mark0226 says: Mar 12, 2012 1:32 PM

    Teams don’t care if Manning can throw TODAY. They only care if he will be ready to throw in September. They need to evaluate the doctors reports, not Manning’s throwing ability. As long as he is healthy enough to play, then you know he will be ready to throw in September. When Miami low balled Drew Brees, he was still in rehab and could not throw. Insisting on seeing him throw didn’t work out so well for Miami in 2006.

  65. dryzzt23 says: Mar 12, 2012 1:33 PM

    Peyton would never use incorrect grammar such as “gots”.

    He will get paid what the market will bear, and as a smart businessman he will get the maximum cash he can in whatever deal he signs.

    Somewhere in the background of Peyton’s 1st press conference with his new team will be Almighty Czar Obammus smiling and snickering and saying “Oh yeah Peyton is in the 1% and he will pay me….err the country….some serious taxes on all those millions

  66. vietnambob2473 says: Mar 12, 2012 1:39 PM

    You missed a story Mike. Rotoworld reported that Manning has been throwing 50 yard passes and has brought video of his throwing workouts to teams for them to look at. Very surprised you missed this.

  67. gators56 says: Mar 12, 2012 1:46 PM

    Elway is an idiot. He will be fired within 2 years.

  68. jameslongstaffe says: Mar 12, 2012 1:48 PM

    Peyton Manning is such an amazing competitor, & loves football more than most could possibly understand. This whole thing must be really difficult, & I am really hoping for him to play a few more years. He has, & will try his absolute best I am sure. I have no doubt that he will play again, but throwing in shorts always falls short of the physical demands placed when a 300 lb Defensive End tries to “respectfully” take his head off. Not to suggest that programs like that exist lol.

  69. fm31970 says: Mar 12, 2012 1:49 PM

    Please sign with Denver so Tebow can be traded.

    Sincerely,

    Shad Kahn

  70. NoHomeTeam says: Mar 12, 2012 1:50 PM

    “That word continues to not mean what I think it means.”

    Thank you.

  71. bozosforall says: Mar 12, 2012 2:01 PM

    dougydougdoug says:
    Mar 12, 2012 12:22 PM
    I think all you really need to consider, is that if Peyton were anywhere even close to being healthy, and able to perform, he would still be on the Colts. You don’t need to guess, or read any articles about whether he’s thrown any balls on YouTube. The proof is in the pudding. Or in his case, the proof is what ISN’T in the Colts’ pudding any longer.

    __
    Not necessarily so. IF the Colts had the third pick instead of the first, Peyton would still be a Colt. Kind of like how the Niners jettisoned Montana because they had Young in the wings. Montana showed that he still had plenty with the Chiefs, taking them to the playoffs both seasons that he was there, this after having sat out an entire year and part of another with an injury while still with the Niners. Sound familiar?

  72. beeronthefridge says: Mar 12, 2012 2:39 PM

    rip4gehrig says: Mar 12, 2012 11:15 AM

    Question…..Do you think PM is the kind of person that would take a load of money from a team if he thought he couldnt throw and wasnt going to play?

    —————————————————–

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  73. jollyrob68 says: Mar 12, 2012 2:44 PM

    Peyton only has to throw for the team he wants to sign with.Not for the media or any of the fans. who’s to say he didn’t throw to Fitzgerald?

  74. vailskier99 says: Mar 12, 2012 2:56 PM

    The following will happen:
    1) Peyton signs with the Broncos after making them agree to pay him at least a guaranteed 50M contract with 5M bonus if he wins SB.
    2) Tebow gets traded to wherever that genuinely wants his service and allows him to grow as a franchise QB.
    3) In the first game of 2012, Peyton got hit bad, so he’s out for the season.
    4) Broncos have to send the backup QB to play for the rest of the season. But this backup QB is not Tim Tebow, so the Broncos will end up 6-10 for the season. Not bad enough for first draft, but not good enough for playoff. In the meantime, they have to continue to pay Peyton the guaranteed 50M.
    5) Meanwhile Tebow and his new team is going to the playoff.
    6) I’ll be LMAO at Elway & Co because KARMA is at work.

  75. istateyourname says: Mar 12, 2012 2:59 PM

    …no velocity on his balls…

    Hey, keep it clean!

  76. mjkelly77 says: Mar 12, 2012 7:05 PM

    If he can help it, never. Otherwise the jig is up.

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