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		<title>By: mnlittle</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a Cowboys fan.  A big one.  And I like Jerry Jones.  I realize how difficult it is to win a Super Bowl and am certain Jerry wants to win ANOTHER one or three.  But this is too much.  Tex Schram would have destroyed anyone in the league office who tried to pull this on him.  Jerry seems to always take what the league dishes out.  I hope this finally pushes Jerry to grow a pair and slap down the league on something!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Cowboys fan.  A big one.  And I like Jerry Jones.  I realize how difficult it is to win a Super Bowl and am certain Jerry wants to win ANOTHER one or three.  But this is too much.  Tex Schram would have destroyed anyone in the league office who tried to pull this on him.  Jerry seems to always take what the league dishes out.  I hope this finally pushes Jerry to grow a pair and slap down the league on something!</p>
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		<title>By: tonyromoisterrible</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well Danny Boy and Jerrah will own half of the league by the time the dust settles.  Seriously.  When does a spoken rule become a rule?  There was nothing in writing that stated you could be punished for an uncapped year.  I would bet a large sum of money that if they are held responsible for 36 million and 10 million respectively then they have a case for collusion.  Once again......  There was NOTHING in writing that said they couldn&#039;t front load these contracts.  This is complete horse manure.  I hope Goodell goes to jail for this blatant breach of collective bargaining, and anti-trust.  Complete crap!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Danny Boy and Jerrah will own half of the league by the time the dust settles.  Seriously.  When does a spoken rule become a rule?  There was nothing in writing that stated you could be punished for an uncapped year.  I would bet a large sum of money that if they are held responsible for 36 million and 10 million respectively then they have a case for collusion.  Once again&#8230;&#8230;  There was NOTHING in writing that said they couldn&#8217;t front load these contracts.  This is complete horse manure.  I hope Goodell goes to jail for this blatant breach of collective bargaining, and anti-trust.  Complete crap!</p>
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		<title>By: kidzaround</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@FinFan68  The issue has been about dumping salaries in the uncapped year (with carryover to future years under a new cap)–that’s taking advantage of the other teams, not limiting player salaries
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It would be to the players advantage to get more money up front if contracts are front loaded.  Now if the NFL teams got together and said not to front load contracts, that&#039;s limiting player salaries.  We all know that in the NFL the player contracts are not completely gauranteed and any player can get cut at any time.  Front loading the contracts in an upcapped year works to both the team and players interests.  The &quot;rule&quot; said that you could not do that, which effectively removed part of the players&#039; benefits from the uncapped year, further swinging the benefit to the teams that followed the &quot;rules&quot;.  What about teams like Tampa Bay, who took advantage of the system and had a payroll way below most teams in the league?  No floor meant they could spend as little as possible.  Where are their fines?  No one has explained to me why this isn&#039;t collusion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@FinFan68  The issue has been about dumping salaries in the uncapped year (with carryover to future years under a new cap)–that’s taking advantage of the other teams, not limiting player salaries<br />
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It would be to the players advantage to get more money up front if contracts are front loaded.  Now if the NFL teams got together and said not to front load contracts, that&#8217;s limiting player salaries.  We all know that in the NFL the player contracts are not completely gauranteed and any player can get cut at any time.  Front loading the contracts in an upcapped year works to both the team and players interests.  The &#8220;rule&#8221; said that you could not do that, which effectively removed part of the players&#8217; benefits from the uncapped year, further swinging the benefit to the teams that followed the &#8220;rules&#8221;.  What about teams like Tampa Bay, who took advantage of the system and had a payroll way below most teams in the league?  No floor meant they could spend as little as possible.  Where are their fines?  No one has explained to me why this isn&#8217;t collusion.</p>
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		<title>By: therealsmiley</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wwmsgrr is right.  You can&#039;t have it both ways.....if you&#039;re saying the Redskins and Cowboys circumvented the salary cap (after 2010) then the other teams colluded to not do it.  That is illegal.   Hail!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wwmsgrr is right.  You can&#8217;t have it both ways&#8230;..if you&#8217;re saying the Redskins and Cowboys circumvented the salary cap (after 2010) then the other teams colluded to not do it.  That is illegal.   Hail!</p>
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		<title>By: therealsmiley</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Intent on a  smaller scale is still intent. What is the threshold? Why punish two teams and not all teams?  So if you&#039;re a small market team with the same intent, it&#039;s ok because you&#039;re small market?  Or it&#039;s ok if you did it with one player? I&#039;m not trying to be an ass...but that&#039;s the question.  This is BS.  And to have Wellington Mara help in the decision?  C&#039;mon...I don&#039;t care how old he is or where his name shows up...he&#039;s biased.  Hail!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intent on a  smaller scale is still intent. What is the threshold? Why punish two teams and not all teams?  So if you&#8217;re a small market team with the same intent, it&#8217;s ok because you&#8217;re small market?  Or it&#8217;s ok if you did it with one player? I&#8217;m not trying to be an ass&#8230;but that&#8217;s the question.  This is BS.  And to have Wellington Mara help in the decision?  C&#8217;mon&#8230;I don&#8217;t care how old he is or where his name shows up&#8230;he&#8217;s biased.  Hail!</p>
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		<title>By: dscol715</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the Cowboys and Redskins created $46 million in cap room by not colluding with the other owners imagine how much would have been created if the other 30 owners didn&#039;t cheat.  That is a lot of extra cap room(extra salaries) that the players association is missing out on.  Why in the world are they not furious over this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Cowboys and Redskins created $46 million in cap room by not colluding with the other owners imagine how much would have been created if the other 30 owners didn&#8217;t cheat.  That is a lot of extra cap room(extra salaries) that the players association is missing out on.  Why in the world are they not furious over this?</p>
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		<title>By: FinFan68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FinFan68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[kidzaround says:
Mar 13, 2012 1:30 PM
@FinFan68

How is limiting how much a team can spend not colluding to “dampen” player salaries. If all teams agree not to spend over a certain amount, that creates less money for the players. 
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In all the stories I have read, I have not seen this actually mentioned although I admit I could have missed it.  That seems to be an implied/suspected mentality rather than a factual one.  The issue has been about dumping salaries in the uncapped year (with no carryover to future years under a new cap)--that&#039;s taking advantage of the other teams, not limiting player salaries.  I have not seen anything about imposing any kind of spending threshold other than the comments sections.  Granted, that could have been a &quot;verbal agreement&quot; behind closed doors but where is the evidence of that?  I suspect that these teams could have spent any amount of money on 1 year deals (uncapped year only) and nothing much would have been said. That would have placed the team at a severe disadvantage the following year and it would have looked like they were trying to buy a championship but there would have been no real way to stop it.  Just saying, it looks like a lot of speculation has somehow transformed into believed &quot;fact&quot; and the emotions sprang forth from there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kidzaround says:<br />
Mar 13, 2012 1:30 PM<br />
@FinFan68</p>
<p>How is limiting how much a team can spend not colluding to “dampen” player salaries. If all teams agree not to spend over a certain amount, that creates less money for the players.<br />
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In all the stories I have read, I have not seen this actually mentioned although I admit I could have missed it.  That seems to be an implied/suspected mentality rather than a factual one.  The issue has been about dumping salaries in the uncapped year (with no carryover to future years under a new cap)&#8211;that&#8217;s taking advantage of the other teams, not limiting player salaries.  I have not seen anything about imposing any kind of spending threshold other than the comments sections.  Granted, that could have been a &#8220;verbal agreement&#8221; behind closed doors but where is the evidence of that?  I suspect that these teams could have spent any amount of money on 1 year deals (uncapped year only) and nothing much would have been said. That would have placed the team at a severe disadvantage the following year and it would have looked like they were trying to buy a championship but there would have been no real way to stop it.  Just saying, it looks like a lot of speculation has somehow transformed into believed &#8220;fact&#8221; and the emotions sprang forth from there.</p>
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		<title>By: gor76</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@therealsmiley - the point was there is no sense in complaining about Peppers&#039; contract since it didn&#039;t lift the Bears into nonsensical salary territory.  The Bears could have signed Peppers for 3 times as much and still spent less than the Redskins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@therealsmiley &#8211; the point was there is no sense in complaining about Peppers&#8217; contract since it didn&#8217;t lift the Bears into nonsensical salary territory.  The Bears could have signed Peppers for 3 times as much and still spent less than the Redskins.</p>
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		<title>By: wwmsgrr</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[xLith says:
Mar 13, 2012 1:18 PM
So let me get this straight, so many people are upset with this when apparently the teams were warned multiple times not to abuse the uncapped season and then they GO AND ABUSE it and are penalized (written rule or not). 30 other teams took that warning seriously (Maybe 28? Raiders / Saints no bonus cap?). These owners were serious I guess when they said they needed protection from themselves. Idiots.

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This &quot;rule&quot; most likely constitutes a felony - by following the &quot;rule&quot; the other owners are guilty of anti-trust violations. The other teams are the cheaters - not the &#039;skins and &#039;girls.

Its like if your coworkers told you they were going to commit a murder and you had to come otherwise you would be breaking their rule. What would you do?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>xLith says:<br />
Mar 13, 2012 1:18 PM<br />
So let me get this straight, so many people are upset with this when apparently the teams were warned multiple times not to abuse the uncapped season and then they GO AND ABUSE it and are penalized (written rule or not). 30 other teams took that warning seriously (Maybe 28? Raiders / Saints no bonus cap?). These owners were serious I guess when they said they needed protection from themselves. Idiots.</p>
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<p>This &#8220;rule&#8221; most likely constitutes a felony &#8211; by following the &#8220;rule&#8221; the other owners are guilty of anti-trust violations. The other teams are the cheaters &#8211; not the &#8216;skins and &#8216;girls.</p>
<p>Its like if your coworkers told you they were going to commit a murder and you had to come otherwise you would be breaking their rule. What would you do?</p>
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		<title>By: therealsmiley</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[gor76 - So the amount spent matters?  What is the threshold?  Just curious.  Hail!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gor76 &#8211; So the amount spent matters?  What is the threshold?  Just curious.  Hail!</p>
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		<title>By: opinionated</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These posts are hilarious! Nothing is ever the Redskins fault! Take your punishment and move on instead of lashing out about the Giants. It is not Mara&#039;s fault that after your team was warned SIX TIMES and they still did whatever they wanted!

I hate to burst your bubble about beating the Giants twice last year, but we don&#039;t care as we are still busy enjoying our Super Bowl victory. Losing to you means nothing to us (although it was humiliating at the time). The Giants have a tendancy to play down to the competition, which is very frustrating, but we can win it when it matters!

So please stop taking your frustration out on the Giants and direct it to your own team, who even when they try to cheat AND place bounties on players, still finish last in the division (last 4 years in a row).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These posts are hilarious! Nothing is ever the Redskins fault! Take your punishment and move on instead of lashing out about the Giants. It is not Mara&#8217;s fault that after your team was warned SIX TIMES and they still did whatever they wanted!</p>
<p>I hate to burst your bubble about beating the Giants twice last year, but we don&#8217;t care as we are still busy enjoying our Super Bowl victory. Losing to you means nothing to us (although it was humiliating at the time). The Giants have a tendancy to play down to the competition, which is very frustrating, but we can win it when it matters!</p>
<p>So please stop taking your frustration out on the Giants and direct it to your own team, who even when they try to cheat AND place bounties on players, still finish last in the division (last 4 years in a row).</p>
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		<title>By: solomon151</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the same thing…the owners agreed on a “speed limit” for contracts yet no official rule was written, the Skins and Cowboys decided they wanted to go over that speed limit…so they wrote contracts that were APPROVED by the NFL (i.e. police)….and now two years later…the Skins and Cowboys are getting their speeding ticket.
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Man that makes no sense. How can you punish a team for something that happen back on 2010. But yet, Would not act on the players that voilated the substance abuse policy during the lock out. Isnt the league new policy effort to protect players health and safety? Is that not a health and safety issue?? This makes no sense. Regardless if it was a secret pack between owners. If thats the case, then the owners should deal with it themselfs.This is not a league issue. The league shouldnt be able to fine a team for something that didnt break any rules in writing. A handshake deal is just what it is. A HandShake. Who&#039;s fault was it that it was a uncapped year anyway?? And where is it written that you could only spend up to 30%?? God-dell leaped before he looked if you ask me. I havent seen anything come out that show that these two teams did anything different then any other team in the league any other year. Like someone else said, What about the Bears?!?!?! The new NFL is turning into a joke, A high price joke, but a joke none the less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the same thing…the owners agreed on a “speed limit” for contracts yet no official rule was written, the Skins and Cowboys decided they wanted to go over that speed limit…so they wrote contracts that were APPROVED by the NFL (i.e. police)….and now two years later…the Skins and Cowboys are getting their speeding ticket.<br />
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Man that makes no sense. How can you punish a team for something that happen back on 2010. But yet, Would not act on the players that voilated the substance abuse policy during the lock out. Isnt the league new policy effort to protect players health and safety? Is that not a health and safety issue?? This makes no sense. Regardless if it was a secret pack between owners. If thats the case, then the owners should deal with it themselfs.This is not a league issue. The league shouldnt be able to fine a team for something that didnt break any rules in writing. A handshake deal is just what it is. A HandShake. Who&#8217;s fault was it that it was a uncapped year anyway?? And where is it written that you could only spend up to 30%?? God-dell leaped before he looked if you ask me. I havent seen anything come out that show that these two teams did anything different then any other team in the league any other year. Like someone else said, What about the Bears?!?!?! The new NFL is turning into a joke, A high price joke, but a joke none the less.</p>
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		<title>By: therealsmiley</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why punish just two teams? Seriously, no other team front loaded any other contract in the NFL in 2010 besides Washington &amp; Dallas?  C&#039;mon man.  You picked the two biggest revenue makers in the NFL....it&#039;s a biased decision....and Wellington Mara had a part in the decision?!!  Are you kidding me!!  IT&#039;S BULLSH*T!!  Hail!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why punish just two teams? Seriously, no other team front loaded any other contract in the NFL in 2010 besides Washington &amp; Dallas?  C&#8217;mon man.  You picked the two biggest revenue makers in the NFL&#8230;.it&#8217;s a biased decision&#8230;.and Wellington Mara had a part in the decision?!!  Are you kidding me!!  IT&#8217;S BULLSH*T!!  Hail!</p>
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		<title>By: kidzaround</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@FinFan68 

How is limiting how much a team can spend not colluding to &quot;dampen&quot; player salaries.  If all teams agree not to spend over a certain amount, that creates less money for the players.  For example, if 4 teams say to each other, &quot;Okay, let&#039;s only spend $20 on the four players we need,&quot; That means 16 players get $5 each.  Without that rule in place (i.e. 2010), a team could have spent $25 on just one player alone.  So, how does agreeing to limit spending not equal out to collusion?  If anyone can explain that one, then you can start winning me over to the side of the other 28 (Teams that are not the Redskins, Cowboys, Saints, and Raiders).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@FinFan68 </p>
<p>How is limiting how much a team can spend not colluding to &#8220;dampen&#8221; player salaries.  If all teams agree not to spend over a certain amount, that creates less money for the players.  For example, if 4 teams say to each other, &#8220;Okay, let&#8217;s only spend $20 on the four players we need,&#8221; That means 16 players get $5 each.  Without that rule in place (i.e. 2010), a team could have spent $25 on just one player alone.  So, how does agreeing to limit spending not equal out to collusion?  If anyone can explain that one, then you can start winning me over to the side of the other 28 (Teams that are not the Redskins, Cowboys, Saints, and Raiders).</p>
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		<title>By: besdayz</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[with the way this guy is alienating every nfl team and the fans might be not to early to say...


bounty on roger?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with the way this guy is alienating every nfl team and the fans might be not to early to say&#8230;</p>
<p>bounty on roger?</p>
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		<title>By: xLith</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So let me get this straight, so many people are upset with this when apparently the teams were warned multiple times not to abuse the uncapped season and then they GO AND ABUSE it and are penalized (written rule or not). 30 other teams took that warning seriously (Maybe 28? Raiders / Saints no bonus cap?). These owners were serious I guess when they said they needed protection from themselves. Idiots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So let me get this straight, so many people are upset with this when apparently the teams were warned multiple times not to abuse the uncapped season and then they GO AND ABUSE it and are penalized (written rule or not). 30 other teams took that warning seriously (Maybe 28? Raiders / Saints no bonus cap?). These owners were serious I guess when they said they needed protection from themselves. Idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: gor76</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/19/team-by-team-salary-cap-numbers-if-there-were-a-salary-cap/
The Bears also spent a lot less than the Cowboys or Redskins on salaries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/19/team-by-team-salary-cap-numbers-if-there-were-a-salary-cap/" rel="nofollow">http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/19/team-by-team-salary-cap-numbers-if-there-were-a-salary-cap/</a><br />
The Bears also spent a lot less than the Cowboys or Redskins on salaries.</p>
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		<title>By: madczyk</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What about Bruce Allens statement?

http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Redskins-Statement-On-Salary-Cap-Reports/eeac9018-20f8-4796-90d8-a291ccfb66d6


He is claiming that the Redskins have received no written communication by the NFL that there cap will be adjusted.  It looks to me like the Redskins could possibly ignore the adjustment, and file a grievance, appeal, or sue, whatever it is you would do to protest the situation.  

By the way, what are the Redskins and Cowboys options in this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Bruce Allens statement?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Redskins-Statement-On-Salary-Cap-Reports/eeac9018-20f8-4796-90d8-a291ccfb66d6" rel="nofollow">http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Redskins-Statement-On-Salary-Cap-Reports/eeac9018-20f8-4796-90d8-a291ccfb66d6</a></p>
<p>He is claiming that the Redskins have received no written communication by the NFL that there cap will be adjusted.  It looks to me like the Redskins could possibly ignore the adjustment, and file a grievance, appeal, or sue, whatever it is you would do to protest the situation.  </p>
<p>By the way, what are the Redskins and Cowboys options in this?</p>
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		<title>By: FinFan68</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@realitypolice and@gurnblanstonreturns,
Well stated valid points. One caveat however. The collusion aspect is a little iffy.  While on the surface it seems like the teams are being punished for a refusal to cooperate with an unwritten collusion policy, that is not what the fines were levied for.  They simply manipulated money to gain future advantage over other teams.  I see no evidence of colluding to &quot;dampen&quot; player salaries.  The issue I see is that the cowboys and redskins paid players market value or higher but they placed the majority of the money into the uncapped year.  There is a competitive advantage issue because they still benefit from players without further cap hindrances under the new cap system. It seems to me that Jones/Snyder did this for a couple reasons. 1) it makes there teams more competitive (financially) and 2) it could be a future statement against the revenue sharing plan that many believe spurred the recent labor issues. That said, I see no way for the league to fix this issue without opening up a much larger can of worms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@realitypolice and@gurnblanstonreturns,<br />
Well stated valid points. One caveat however. The collusion aspect is a little iffy.  While on the surface it seems like the teams are being punished for a refusal to cooperate with an unwritten collusion policy, that is not what the fines were levied for.  They simply manipulated money to gain future advantage over other teams.  I see no evidence of colluding to &#8220;dampen&#8221; player salaries.  The issue I see is that the cowboys and redskins paid players market value or higher but they placed the majority of the money into the uncapped year.  There is a competitive advantage issue because they still benefit from players without further cap hindrances under the new cap system. It seems to me that Jones/Snyder did this for a couple reasons. 1) it makes there teams more competitive (financially) and 2) it could be a future statement against the revenue sharing plan that many believe spurred the recent labor issues. That said, I see no way for the league to fix this issue without opening up a much larger can of worms.</p>
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		<title>By: hrudey</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@numbskull: It&#039;s not about frontloading per se. The Bears did give Peppers more base money up front than usual, but they also had base salaries over $9M for every other year on the deal, too. At least until they renegotiated it and converted some of that base into signing bonuses, but since those were pro-rated over the contract, it applies a majority of that money to capped years. 

With Haynesworth, the Redskins took money that was already part of a signed contract and converted that to a signing bonus, but then put in a clause that voided the last four years of the deal if Haynesworth paid the $26M in bonuses back. Because of that gimmick, the bonus can not be prorated and so was dumped entirely into the &quot;uncapped&quot; year. The uncapped year just meant that there was no limitation on the amount of player salary that year; contracts signed under that year are still subject to future cap rules (so signing bonuses from the prior CBA are still applied to the current year cap when applicable). These two teams ignored the repeated warnings and thought that they were too big to be punished.

I have seen no evidence to date of any other team doing this specific maneuver. Giving a front-loaded contract, yes -- Peppers got $20M in year 1 and only $11.5 in year 2. But the Bears didn&#039;t turn that into a &quot;signing bonus&quot; that can be repaid to void the deal, in order to stash an inordinate amount of money in an uncapped year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@numbskull: It&#8217;s not about frontloading per se. The Bears did give Peppers more base money up front than usual, but they also had base salaries over $9M for every other year on the deal, too. At least until they renegotiated it and converted some of that base into signing bonuses, but since those were pro-rated over the contract, it applies a majority of that money to capped years. </p>
<p>With Haynesworth, the Redskins took money that was already part of a signed contract and converted that to a signing bonus, but then put in a clause that voided the last four years of the deal if Haynesworth paid the $26M in bonuses back. Because of that gimmick, the bonus can not be prorated and so was dumped entirely into the &#8220;uncapped&#8221; year. The uncapped year just meant that there was no limitation on the amount of player salary that year; contracts signed under that year are still subject to future cap rules (so signing bonuses from the prior CBA are still applied to the current year cap when applicable). These two teams ignored the repeated warnings and thought that they were too big to be punished.</p>
<p>I have seen no evidence to date of any other team doing this specific maneuver. Giving a front-loaded contract, yes &#8212; Peppers got $20M in year 1 and only $11.5 in year 2. But the Bears didn&#8217;t turn that into a &#8220;signing bonus&#8221; that can be repaid to void the deal, in order to stash an inordinate amount of money in an uncapped year.</p>
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		<title>By: moltoguy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow- been awhile since I&#039;ve seen this many posts and almost 100% in favor of the Skins/Cowboys

Will Danny &amp; Jerry go to war with the other owners over this?

When did the skins know this could be coming... was it the same time as all of us?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow- been awhile since I&#8217;ve seen this many posts and almost 100% in favor of the Skins/Cowboys</p>
<p>Will Danny &amp; Jerry go to war with the other owners over this?</p>
<p>When did the skins know this could be coming&#8230; was it the same time as all of us?</p>
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		<title>By: hendawg21</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok listening to the local sportsradio show they had Andrew Brandt on from ESPN business and he states there was no written rule or agreement not to do what they did and by NFL law were within their rights to do what they did...that being said from everything he&#039;s gathered they have a case if they care to go forward this basically boils down to is collusion on Goodell and the remaining owners part...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok listening to the local sportsradio show they had Andrew Brandt on from ESPN business and he states there was no written rule or agreement not to do what they did and by NFL law were within their rights to do what they did&#8230;that being said from everything he&#8217;s gathered they have a case if they care to go forward this basically boils down to is collusion on Goodell and the remaining owners part&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: patswhatsup</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You guys are all silly.  Clearly in the new CBA there&#039;s a clause written that states, any rule that favors the league over teams/players can now be enforced retroactively to whatever ends the league deems necessary! 

Lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are all silly.  Clearly in the new CBA there&#8217;s a clause written that states, any rule that favors the league over teams/players can now be enforced retroactively to whatever ends the league deems necessary! </p>
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		<title>By: thetruth845</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Collusion is an agreement between two or more persons, sometimes illegal and therefore secretive, to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others of their legal rights, or to obtain an objective forbidden by law typically by defrauding or gaining an unfair advantage.


that&#039;s is the definition of the word &quot;collusion&quot;




Now explain to me again how the owners colluded? By agreeing to keep the playing field level they did anything BUT collude. Man people are stupid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Collusion is an agreement between two or more persons, sometimes illegal and therefore secretive, to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others of their legal rights, or to obtain an objective forbidden by law typically by defrauding or gaining an unfair advantage.</p>
<p>that&#8217;s is the definition of the word &#8220;collusion&#8221;</p>
<p>Now explain to me again how the owners colluded? By agreeing to keep the playing field level they did anything BUT collude. Man people are stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: lakermetskins</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What did the skins and boys get caught doing?
answer- breaking a silent, unwritten(illegal rule).

Does a memo constitute a legal binding rule?
answer- not in my workplace(memo=there will be repercussions for not giving to charity at work- again against the law and unenforceable)

It seems to me that the agreement to have an uncapped year was the problem.  Danny and Jerry have money, and don&#039;t mind spending it. Most of the other owners simply do not have the same revenue streams and therefor would not use this uncapped year to their benefit. 

Analogy- getting this &quot;warning&quot; from an authoritative entity like the NFL is like the having a holiday with no speed limits, but still punishing drivers who speed. We all know collectively that speeding is bad for all of us, but we all agreed to have this holiday.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What did the skins and boys get caught doing?<br />
answer- breaking a silent, unwritten(illegal rule).</p>
<p>Does a memo constitute a legal binding rule?<br />
answer- not in my workplace(memo=there will be repercussions for not giving to charity at work- again against the law and unenforceable)</p>
<p>It seems to me that the agreement to have an uncapped year was the problem.  Danny and Jerry have money, and don&#8217;t mind spending it. Most of the other owners simply do not have the same revenue streams and therefor would not use this uncapped year to their benefit. </p>
<p>Analogy- getting this &#8220;warning&#8221; from an authoritative entity like the NFL is like the having a holiday with no speed limits, but still punishing drivers who speed. We all know collectively that speeding is bad for all of us, but we all agreed to have this holiday.</p>
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		<title>By: skinsshark23</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lawyer up Goodell.  Lawyer up....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawyer up Goodell.  Lawyer up&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: thatkidvick</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only time the redskins and cowboys will be nice to each other is gonna be in court]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only time the redskins and cowboys will be nice to each other is gonna be in court</p>
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		<title>By: thetruth845</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[numbskull111......you have to look at what these teams did and how it creates a problem. If the Redskins signed Fat Albert to a 1 year $40million deal it would have been fine. They structured the contract to pay a HUGE portion of his salary in the uncapped year so they could afford him in the capped years and release him without an issue if they wanted to. Only the uncapped year made that possible. Jones and Snyder were part of the group that agreed against this. I dont see how people are confused by this. Its salary dumping 101.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>numbskull111&#8230;&#8230;you have to look at what these teams did and how it creates a problem. If the Redskins signed Fat Albert to a 1 year $40million deal it would have been fine. They structured the contract to pay a HUGE portion of his salary in the uncapped year so they could afford him in the capped years and release him without an issue if they wanted to. Only the uncapped year made that possible. Jones and Snyder were part of the group that agreed against this. I dont see how people are confused by this. Its salary dumping 101.</p>
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		<title>By: jbcommonsense</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NFL’s position on cap violations is preposterous and apparently impossible to define using clear language. The Redskins should proceed to get needed free agents, including the best WRs and OLs available. If the NFL actually executes this ridiculous policy by serving legal paperwork, the Redskins should get an injunction, so they can continue seeking needed free agents regardless of attempted league interference… the end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NFL’s position on cap violations is preposterous and apparently impossible to define using clear language. The Redskins should proceed to get needed free agents, including the best WRs and OLs available. If the NFL actually executes this ridiculous policy by serving legal paperwork, the Redskins should get an injunction, so they can continue seeking needed free agents regardless of attempted league interference… the end.</p>
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		<title>By: wwmsgrr</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pallidrone says:
Mar 13, 2012 11:49 AM
wwmsgrr says: Mar 13, 2012 11:16 AM

Here’s hoping Goodell is found guilty of violating the Sherman Anti-Trust Act and sees time behind bars…

“Every person who shall monopolize, or attempt to monopolize, or combine or conspire with any other person or persons, to monopolize any part of the trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, shall be deemed guilty of a felony”

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I would be interested to see how that could happen, considering that the NFL has an anti-trust exception.

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just researched - NFL does not have a broad antitrust exemption (only with respect broadcasting rights). since the courts have ruled that the NFL is 32 independently acting entities they are not prosecuted for Anti-Trust violations currently. Once Goodell opened Pandora&#039;s box and decided that it would collude the NFL was then acting as 1 entity which would be a Anti-Trust violation. Goodell as the &quot;mastermind&quot; should see jailtime in a fair legal system (but chances are obviously close to 0 in our legal system).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pallidrone says:<br />
Mar 13, 2012 11:49 AM<br />
wwmsgrr says: Mar 13, 2012 11:16 AM</p>
<p>Here’s hoping Goodell is found guilty of violating the Sherman Anti-Trust Act and sees time behind bars…</p>
<p>“Every person who shall monopolize, or attempt to monopolize, or combine or conspire with any other person or persons, to monopolize any part of the trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, shall be deemed guilty of a felony”</p>
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<p>I would be interested to see how that could happen, considering that the NFL has an anti-trust exception.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>just researched &#8211; NFL does not have a broad antitrust exemption (only with respect broadcasting rights). since the courts have ruled that the NFL is 32 independently acting entities they are not prosecuted for Anti-Trust violations currently. Once Goodell opened Pandora&#8217;s box and decided that it would collude the NFL was then acting as 1 entity which would be a Anti-Trust violation. Goodell as the &#8220;mastermind&#8221; should see jailtime in a fair legal system (but chances are obviously close to 0 in our legal system).</p>
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