Lloyd contract struggle dusts off Condon vs. Pats feud

Getty Images

When the Patriots drafted Ben Watson at the bottom of the first round of the 2004 draft, the Pats had a habit of insisting that all first-round picks agree to six-year deals.  Agent Tom Condon, who represented Watson at the time, refused to agree to six-year deals at the bottom of round one as a matter of principle.

Watson eventually caved, Condon refused to be a party to it and resigned, and the Patriots and Condon have done little or no business since then.

“We pretend there are 31 franchises in the NFL now and they pretend we don’t exist, even though we represent 140 [now over 160] of the best players in the NFL,” Condon once said, as dusted off by Ron Borges of the Boston Herald.  “That’s fine.”

The problem that Condon and the Patriots currently face is that one of his clients, receiver Brandon Lloyd, wants to play for the Patriots, where Josh McDaniels serves as offensive coordinator.  And the Patriots want Lloyd to play for them.

“I’d prefer not to rehash things from seven years ago,” Condon told Borges last month.  “I may never like them and they may never like me, but I appreciate that they’re smart guys who usually get what they want.  I usually get what I want, too, and what I want is what my client wants.”

With reports that the Pats are close to signing Lloyd and that the Pats think Lloyd wants too much money, it’s hard not to wonder whether the Patriots are trying to drive the same wedge between Lloyd and Condon that the Pats successfully drove between Condon and Watson in 2004.

The Patriots possibly think that, if Lloyd wants to play for them badly enough, Lloyd will fire Condon and hire someone else.  If that’s what the Patriots are up to, it’s petty and it’s juvenile and it’s wrong.

Here’s hoping for now that that’s not what the Patriots are up to.

66 responses to “Lloyd contract struggle dusts off Condon vs. Pats feud

  1. Lloyd’s biggest mistake was openly stating that he wanted to play for the Patriots. He showed his hand and the Patriots are using that knowledge against him.

    He would have been better served to remember the words of Vito Corleone: “Never tell someone outside the family what you’re really thinking.”

  2. The market will determine Lloyd’s worth. If Lloyd is really worth what Condon thinks then there are 31 other teams. Don’t see why this needs to get personal.

  3. Oh come on, that would be beyond unprofessional. If the Pats ever entertained the thought he might fire his agent, it’s not because they want the agent to get fired, it’s because the agent is blocking the deal.

  4. You’ve got one side that talks about this stuff to the media and one side that never discusses them. Which side is going to be portrayed more favorably, do you think?

  5. “The Patriots possibly think that, if Lloyd wants to play for them badly enough, Lloyd will fire Condon and hire someone else. If that’s what the Patriots are up to, it’s petty and it’s juvenile and it’s wrong.”

    —–

    OR the Pats think they can get Lloyd for a lower price. Just a possibility.

  6. If Condon really does have a problem dealing with the Patriots AND he cares about what his client wants he should recuse himself for any dealings here.

    Let somebody else handle it and make your client happy.

  7. It’s not the Pats fault that Lloyd went public multiple times and said he wants to play for McDaniels and the Patriots and that he would take less money to do so, he kind of destroyed his own market

  8. Without knowing all the specifics of 2004, it seems unwise to not deal with that large of a player pool that includes several blue chip players.

  9. its far from wrong.. all those agents need to be taken down a peg or 14. They live extravagant lifes based on other peoples skill, whats their skillset? sit in a room and say “no, give me more”

  10. That’s quite some conjecture. They might not like Condon, but I’d bet their motivation is more to get Lloyd at a price they’re willing to pay rather than to get him to fire his agent.

  11. “…it’s hard not to wonder whether…”
    “If that’s what the Patriots are up to…”
    “Here’s hoping for now that that’s not what the Patriots are up to.”

    It’s hard not to wonder whether you invent scenarios in your head in order to drive page views. If that’s what you are up to then it’s juvenile and disingenuous. Here’s hoping you stick to reporting facts rather than making things up.

  12. Watson was wrong for breaking ranks with Condon years ago, he only had his clients best business interest at mind. As it happens his client interest are the same as his own, but that’s the nature of the game.

    Pats Plans: Trade back, get the pay grade down, and lock up a prospect for max years, sounds like shrewd roster management to me. But that does not mean a rookie should be forced to sign 6 years of his career away to a bottom of the first rookie deal.

    Top draft picks are different story. But late round picks, should have the option to outplay their contracts and revisit the deal table. Thankfully the new CBA dealt with this!

  13. Given how Condon is playing the Broncos and 49ers with Manning and Smith, its good to see a team firing back against an agent. Sometimes it seems they have too much power.

  14. Whoever wrote this should be fired. Not only is it not objective, but 90 percent of this “opinion” piece, is pure speculation. Its the media as usual creating something out of nothing that causes most of these “feuds” in the first place. What a joke.

  15. “The Patriots possibly think that, if Lloyd wants to play for them badly enough, Lloyd will fire Condon and hire someone else. If that’s what the Patriots are up to, it’s petty and it’s juvenile and it’s wrong.”

    Where’s the evidence of this? Also, who is leaking that they were close and now the Patriots want them to lower their price. Without more proof, that sounds like negotiating – i.e., it is likely safe to assume that the Condon/Lloyd camp want Patriots to increase the price – not some plan to get a guy fired.

  16. the patriots doing something unfairly that sounds ridiculous knock me over with a feather.

    as for players going to the patriots to win championships well they haven’t won a championship in many many years

  17. Do not pay this bum more money so he can come here and catch 20 passes while Gronk, Hernandez, welker, all snag at least 60. Sick of pats fans desire/pats front office overpaying stupid WRs when we need to pay someone to make a tackle or bat a ball down for Christ sakes.

  18. A. Lloyd should have NEVER gone public with his desire to play under McDaniels and would take a “reasonable” deal to play for the Patriots.
    B. This is sheer speculation at this point that the Patriots are trying to get Lloyd at their rate, but would not be shocked if that’s what their objective is.
    … But again, maybe they know Lloyd’s market is a lot smaller than Lloyd himself and Condon anticipated

  19. There are 31 other teams in the league. The Patriots can’t stop a guy from getting paid what he’s worth. If he’s worth what he’s asking for, he’ll get it. If not, not.

  20. Tom Condon, he’s a GM worst nightmare..this guy is so arrogant and it’s all about the money with this agent…Drew Brees and Alex Smith aren’t signed yet..he has a take it or leave it attitude and if you don’t there’s 31 other teams and one will give into his demands…just saying..can’t negotiate w/condon..good luck Lloyd in trying to be a patriot with that agent.

  21. In response to Maxvain
    The last pick in the first round is not a late round pick. The Pats had the right to sign Watson to a 5 or 6 year contract.

  22. Well it’s been since 2003 since the Patriots have won a Super Bowl & Brady is getting old…so maybe they should cave if they believe Lloyd is the missing piece! !!

  23. Fair market value is determined at price a willing seller and a willing buyer agree upon. Lloyd has options other than the Patriots. The Patriots are willing to lose the opportunity to sign Lloyd if they can’t close on terms agreeable to the team. Speculation that the Patriots are trying to drive a wedge between player and agent are nonsense.

  24. IF this is true then so what?

    The Patriots are trying to get a player they want, for the salary they want, nothing wrong with that. If Lloyd doesn’t want to play for that deal then fine, that’s his prerogative. If his agent is the problem then he should listen to Lloyd or should be fired for not doing that.

    I still don’t see the problem.

  25. You make an intersting case from circumstantial evidence. Here is some more for you.

    Patriots owner strikes me as a real buiness ruler. If you are a ruler, talking to the mouth piece of another ruler, and said mouth piece is getting in the way of anything at all, whether its good or bad, and you the ruler decide it needs to end, out goes the mouth piece.

    The Patriots owner, GM, and head coach all strike me as cut-throat businessmen. They know what they want and nobody is going to tell them they cant try to get it, and when a ruler decides the messeger isnt doing his job, the messenger is ousted. Regardless of if the agent was doing right, by morals, business pactices and by his client, once the real movers and pushers decide he is in the way of their interests, they will find a way to remove him, even if they do not control him. Specifically because the agent is keeping his client safe from direct interaction, and in turn is keeping his client safe from settling or being forced/tricked.

    Pure speculation, but isnt it fun?

  26. justafanofitall says:Mar 17, 2012 3:15 PM

    Patriots are known to not want to pay alot for free agents. Players go there to win championships and then elsewhere for the money. No new news there.
    ———————————————————-
    thats what players like Seau, Moss and Welker thought when they signed with the Pats.
    the problem is that they are just not winning championships anymore. My theory is if you cant win with a perfect regular season record and as good a year as brady and moss had plus all those stars on your defense, your time has passed and the window is closed shut.

  27. robertx716 says:
    Mar 17, 2012 3:34 PM
    “Well it’s been since 2003 since the Patriots have won a Super Bowl & Brady is getting old…so maybe they should cave if they believe Lloyd is the missing piece! !!”

    The Patriots last won the Super Bowl in February 2005 as part of the 2004/2005 season. Since that time, they have been to 2 more Super Bowls (losing in last minute of each) and 3 AFC title games with best record in all of football since that last SB victory. They have won 9 or more every season startin in 2001 and 10 or more in 10 of those 11 seasons. Since that 2001 season, they have won AFC East every season except 2002 and 2008 (11-5 with M Cassell) and in both of those cases, they tied for div title but lost tie-break. I think they have a pretty good approach. For the Spy Gate guys, they also have best record post that event.

  28. Patriots only have around $8 million in cap space left and likely have more on their mind than simply giving all of it to Brandon Lloyd.

    They would like to keep BenJarvus Green-Ellis, get some more help for the defensive line (re-sign Andre Carter? or Mark Anderson), bring in an OLB who is good in pass coverage possibly Trevor Scott… and maybe sign Brandon Lloyd.

    If there is a holdup with Lloyd it comes down to a disagreement on years/money/signing bonus and not a conspiracy or a vendetta.

  29. As for Lloyd, he was not smart at all when he openly courted the Pats. He not only may have alienated other teams, but he has also driven his price down and at his age this may be the last decent deal he will get, not a smart move.

    Since he believes so much in McDaniels offense, if he were younger he could have taken less money, and a short term deal, and hit FA again, when the TV money comes in and the cap jumps in 2 years.

    Right now he needs to widen his horizon, Pats are not going to pay him, without competition. Visit MIA, 49ers, DEN, CLE, HOU etc.

  30. How do you figure they only have 8M left? They had around 18M going into FA, resigned Slater, Connoly, etc…All of those combined cant possibly cost more than around 2M this year(at the most)Signed Fanene(his charge is 4M or less)Signed Gregory(and overpaid)to “around 3 or 4M per year average” So even estimating on the low side, they should still have 10M give or take…. But I doubt even Lloyd is silly enough to ask for 8M a year or more. Just saying.

  31. The Patriots are a false dynasty spawned by a BS call (tuck rule) and nurtured by a culture of cheating. Their fans are a bunch of chowder loving……. nevermind.

  32. Personally Id like to see them sign Reggie Nelson above all…but thats not happening apparently, so I would love to see Lloyd and Landry, and then get ready to head into the draft(and not trade down!)

  33. It’s not petty. If the player WANTS to sign for what the team offers, and the agent resigns on “principle”, then it’s the agent who is petty and immature. The agent works for the player. Not the other way around. If Condon doesn’t do what Lloyd wants, then Lloyd SHOULD fire him. If Lloyd doesn’t fire Condon but Condon resigns as a result of Lloyd “caving” to the Pats’ demands, then Condon looks like the ass not the Patriots.

    If Lloyd doesn’t like the Pats final offer, then go sign somewhere else. It’s a free country, and you’re a free agent. Condon needs to know his role.

  34. Not sure why Pats are portrayed negatively for driving hard bargains, following the fine details of rules and generally be smarte than most teams who blow big $ on free agents and can’t manage the Cap…maybe if they could they would be in the SB 50% of the time! haters gonna hate!

  35. moochach says:
    Mar 17, 2012 3:12 PM
    “…it’s hard not to wonder whether…”
    “If that’s what the Patriots are up to…”
    “Here’s hoping for now that that’s not what the Patriots are up to.”

    It’s hard not to wonder whether you invent scenarios in your head in order to drive page views. If that’s what you are up to then it’s juvenile and disingenuous. Here’s hoping you stick to reporting facts rather than making things up.
    ————————–
    EXACTLY. I’m surprised they even put up your post. I’ve posted many times about their page-view-driving conjecture, and it’s usually zapped.

    Lloyd ought to fire Condon, negotiate himself, and keep the vig.

  36. Matthew Slater got 3yrs/$5.4 million
    Jonathan Fanenen got 3 yrs/$12 million
    Steve Gregory got 3 yrs/$8.5 million
    Dan Connolly got 3 yrs/$??? million
    Brian Hoyer received 2nd round tender ($1.95 million)
    Plus all the 1 year deals ‘qualifying contracts’ that count $540 against cap:
    Niko Koutouvides, Tracy White, Marcus Harrison

    My best guess is that the Patriots have $8.9 million in cap space left. They can free up a lot of cap space if they need to with restructures or cuts, but I can’t imagine they will offer Brandon Lloyd more than 3 yrs/$12 million and his first year cap hit will be $3 million or less… or he’ll play somewhere else.

  37. themonster49 says:

    The Patriots owner, GM, and head coach all strike me as cut-throat businessmen.
    _________________________________________________________

    The Patriots owner Robert Kraft is widely recognized as being the catalyst and key person in pulling both sides together to get the new NFL labor contract done. That doesn’t sound very “cut-throat” to me.

    Also, you say that the owner, GM, and head coach ALL strike you as being “cut-throat”. This indicates to me that you must have seen said GM in action at some point in time to make such a judgement. Now we all Mr. Kraft is the owner and Bill Belechick is the coach. Can you please tell me who this “cut-throat” GM is??? Hint: he doesn’t exist. You’re talking out of your rectum.

  38. and mullman7675 thinks if it wasn’t for the tuck rule call, JaMarcus Russell would’ve been the next Tom . . . nevermind.

  39. Okay. So Lloyd is not a Patriot as of yet. Okay. What they have offered will be enough or it won’t. Someone already said it, there are 31 other teams that he can play for. Agent or not, If his focus is getting the most money, he should sign with the team that offers the most. Of course, that may not be the best place to play. He’s an adult. He’ll figure it out. Nothing to see here.

  40. “insider7 says:
    He would have been better served to remember the words of Vito Corleone: “Never tell someone outside the family what you’re really thinking.”

    It’s not personal. It’s just business.

  41. justafanofitall says: Mar 17, 2012 3:15 PM

    Patriots are known to not want to pay alot for free agents. Players go there to win championships and then elsewhere for the money. No new news there.
    ————————————————-

    Players go there to win championships, they just get disappointed now.

  42. It’s hard not to wonder whether you invent scenarios in your head in order to drive page views. If that’s what you are up to then it’s juvenile and disingenuous. Here’s hoping you stick to reporting facts rather than making things up

    Nice.

  43. “We pretend there are 31 franchises in the NFL ”
    Ahhh-ha-ha-ha!!!
    I wonder if it’s because of that stupid friggin accent they have up there in NE

  44. The Patriots are a false dynasty spawned by a BS call (tuck rule) and nurtured by a culture of cheating

    That’s right.

    Odds are they’re going to cheat their way into the playoffs this year, and probably Super Bowl contention.

    And your team can’t stop it.

    Sucks to be you.

  45. All the hate on here for the Patriots, yall just wish your team was as good as them. What has your team done in the last ten years? They made it to the Super Bowl last year with the 31st ranked defense and only lost by another great robbery by the Giants. Brady will go down as the all time greatest qb and you might as well watch in awe instead of hate for this team because they are special and you wont see a team like this again for a while. Eat that haters! Go Pats!!!!

  46. ramjam28 says:Mar 17, 2012 6:25 PM

    All the hate on here for the Patriots, yall just wish your team was as good as them. What has your team done in the last ten years? They made it to the Super Bowl last year with the 31st ranked defense and only lost by another great robbery by the Giants. Brady will go down as the all time greatest qb and you might as well watch in awe instead of hate for this team because they are special and you wont see a team like this again for a while. Eat that haters! Go Pats
    ————

    Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!
    Good joke. Brady will go down as the luckiest QB in the history of the game, beneficiary of some tremendous defenses.

  47. Celebrity agent once again lets his client twist in the wind when he thought he had the press and some leverage. He didn’t do Watson any favors either, letting a rookie hold out is seldom a winning situation. Condon was thinking about his own future clients, not what was best for Watson. Now Lloyd will have to take a lousy contract when the music stops, in a place he probably doesn’t want to play. Pats said fine, we’ll move on to the next guy on the list. Juvenile? That’s Condon. Lloyd should call Pierre Garcon’s agent.

  48. I have no idea what the Patriots have done wrong here. Borges and Condon are making it seem like he’s going to have to hold out because the Patriots are being unfair to him. Let him sign somewhere else. The Pats already tried to sign Reggie Wayne. So it’s not as if he is their first choice. They should take a shot at Wallace before him too.

  49. Micronin127 said:

    “My best guess is that the Patriots have $8.9 million in cap space left. They can free up a lot of cap space if they need to with restructures or cuts, but I can’t imagine they will offer Brandon Lloyd more than 3 yrs/$12 million and his first year cap hit will be $3 million or less… or he’ll play somewhere else.”

    dang. nice call.

  50. Florio and Borges cover the Boston sports market, and they’re like having a couple traitors ‘on your side’. The Boston sports market is well known for having the biggest as$holes as “reporters”. They constantly drum up a bunch of whiny conspiracy theories, speculations, rumors and blame-game garbage that naturally only gets under the skin of most of the players and coaches. Go watch tape of michael the dick lover felger and his band of as$clowns trying to get many team-mates and even Cam-fokkin Neely to dish some dirt on Tim Thomas, just because they’re radical liberals who HATED Tim because of his political views. And they were hating on Bobby V before he even got started. Most of the jerks on CSNNE are all small minded punks with a snarky attitude because someone gave them a job that they don’t deserve. Tom Curran and Mary Paoletti, Steve DeOssie and Fred Smerlas, and Shalise Manza Young are an exception. Florio, you should be ashamed of yourself, you punk.

Leave a Reply

You must be logged in to leave a comment. Not a member? Register now!