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Redskins, Cowboys could go “nuclear” over cap mess

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Five days after the NFL dropped a salary-cap bomb on the Redskins and the Cowboys, the teams could be retaliating with a bomb of their own.

A source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that the Redskins and Cowboys could be going “nuclear” with the NFL as soon as Monday.

More specifically, the two teams are contemplating suing anyone and everyone connected to the sudden removal of $46 million in total cap space over the next two years, based on the contention that their treatment of the term “uncapped year” too literally somehow created a competitive disadvantage.  Even though no rules or policies were violated.

The teams will spend the weekend examining every possible option.  “Who can I sue and how can I sued them?” will be the operative questions.  (It’s unknown whether a “suance” is being considered.)

Adding to the teams’ frustration, we’re told, is that the deal to take away the cap money was brokered between NFLPA executive DeMaurice Smith and the NFL Management Council Executive Committee, without a full vote of NFLPA leadership or NFL ownership.  The chairman of the CEC is Giants owner John Mara, whose team benefits directly from the removal of cap room from two of his chief division rivals.

It’s unknown whether the Redskins and Cowboys are bluffing in order to force a compromise, or whether they indeed truly intend to file suit.  Reducing the allegations to writing necessarily will expose that the league was engaged in collusion in 2010, which could have all sorts of unintended consequences for the entire NFL, including the Redskins and the Cowboys.

And so the real question is whether the Redskins and Cowboys are angry/crazy enough to drop a grenade into a room they won’t be able to escape.

The answer very well could be yes.

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  1. jacunn2000 says: Mar 17, 2012 11:12 AM

    Drop the grenade!!

  2. renmasters says: Mar 17, 2012 11:13 AM

    They should do it. They got screwed.

  3. akhhorus says: Mar 17, 2012 11:14 AM

    The cowboys have leaked that they’re not going to sue, so this story is already fallen flat.

  4. cali49er707 says: Mar 17, 2012 11:15 AM

    anytime anybody sues their employer it always ends happily!!!! that should end well im sure !!!! LOL

  5. cliffordc05 says: Mar 17, 2012 11:15 AM

    I guess Jerry Jones figures he will never get another Super Bowl anyway because of the catastrophic mess in Dallas. If he does sue then this will guarantee no more Super Bowls in the Bid D.

  6. pdxpanther says: Mar 17, 2012 11:15 AM

    Wasn’t there some sort of “gentleman’s agreement” that they would follow the previous year’s cap rules during the uncapped year, and that’s why they got dinged?

  7. angrycorgi says: Mar 17, 2012 11:15 AM

    Do it! Blow it all up!!

  8. carryingweight says: Mar 17, 2012 11:17 AM

    It seems like they just took advantage of the uncapped year. I still don’t see what was wrong ya they worked the system but the system was set.up so they could work it.

  9. wwwfella says: Mar 17, 2012 11:17 AM

    the league had better find a way to weasel their way out of a action that was obviously wrong on so many levels…HAIL

  10. worldwidebleater says: Mar 17, 2012 11:17 AM

    They have every right to be pissed off. However that strategy is kind of like burning down you house to get the squirrels out of the attic.

  11. batesbruce says: Mar 17, 2012 11:17 AM

    Be crazy, please! Goodell will find the pin in time.

  12. sausage9724 says: Mar 17, 2012 11:18 AM

    Awesome south park reference

  13. tmar1961 says: Mar 17, 2012 11:18 AM

    How do you punish someone/teams for something that does NOT break rules or policies? This and the drug test fiasco are both shining examples of the NFL making the rules and then NOT adhering to their own rules. The skins and cowboys simply used the rules to their best advantage, if the NFL doesnt like what they did thats too bad since it isnt against the rules or policies of the NFL.

  14. ray2k says: Mar 17, 2012 11:19 AM

    I think it’s really important they do this, whether you’re a fan of either team or not. It sets a bad precedent. And if Snyder will sue a newspaper over some laughably-critical piece about him, I don’t see any reason why he wouldn’t take this cap thing as far as he can legally (assuming they can at all).

  15. deddmunnie says: Mar 17, 2012 11:19 AM

    Good. GODdell needs to be challenged here. The whole ordeal was handled poorly and at very least the “penalty” terms need to be extended to more than 2 years. At very least.

    Forcing them to take a $18mil cap hit THIS year? With one days notice before free agency?

    No sir. Not acceptable. If there was a rule in place sure, but there wasn’t. I understand where the NFL is coming from, but they don’t have a leg to stand on here.

  16. larrydavid7000 says: Mar 17, 2012 11:20 AM

    Hail to the Redskins!!!!! And thank you cowboys for teaming up with the Redskins! Now go kick the NFL ass!!!!!

  17. deweyoxburger says: Mar 17, 2012 11:20 AM

    Drop the grenade, then push Goodell on top of it!

  18. kmdp4 says: Mar 17, 2012 11:20 AM

    This is what happens when you punish teams for doing absolutely nothing wrong, so I say take them to court and see what happens.

    There was no punishment on the cheap teams that decided not to spend that year.

    There also was no benefit to most of the other owners by getting extra cap money from the two teams because they aren’t using anyway.

    The cheap owners in this league have, always counted on the owners that are better then them at making money to support there teams.

  19. caryw30 says: Mar 17, 2012 11:20 AM

    I wish they would do this as a fan. But for practical purposes I think this will cause more harm than good.

  20. purplengold says: Mar 17, 2012 11:21 AM

    Chippendale dancer in the courtroom! All rise!

  21. texanfan62 says: Mar 17, 2012 11:21 AM

    Figures that the 2 teams with egotistical and idiotic owners would have Cap problems. Now their cotemplating suing the NFL over their stupidity, your kidding right?They need clue cards or a total labotomy.

  22. steelernationsparksjealousy says: Mar 17, 2012 11:21 AM

    This would likely bite them in the ass

  23. shanehockey28 says: Mar 17, 2012 11:22 AM

    Good…just about every writer, fan of any team thinks this a bunch of BS. Uncapped year means uncapped, spend what you want. Wouldnt be surprised to see the NFL and these two teams come to a more suitable comprimise.

  24. ar1888 says: Mar 17, 2012 11:23 AM

    Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones are the poster boys for how to not run a NFL team. They too much fantasy football with real players, and need a place to dump backloaded contracts for horrible players. They both need to get over it, move on.

  25. flyerscup2010 says: Mar 17, 2012 11:25 AM

    i really hope so. i’m an eagles fan and i honestly think i’d be okay with them winning back their cap space in exchange for the circus continuing for a while, both for those teams (and apparently the giants?) as well as for the NFL for enforcing their BS “on-the-fly-without-real-merit” “rules”

  26. cowboynation9 says: Mar 17, 2012 11:25 AM

    it appears that the penalties haven’t hurt the Cowboys because of Jerry & Stephen’s great cap manipulation talents… so it’s not really worth it to go after the rest of the league.

    but on principle alone, they should. they got screwed over because they were easy targets and play in the east against John Mara’s team.

  27. sickcuz says: Mar 17, 2012 11:25 AM

    Skins didn’t have a cap problem until they were forced to give away half their cap so other teams could spend it (or sit on it).

  28. orcheon says: Mar 17, 2012 11:26 AM

    You can always sue somebody.

  29. scratchnpost1234 says: Mar 17, 2012 11:29 AM

    No innocents in this one. Mutual destruction if a collusion suit is brought. Jerrah and Snyder flipped the rest of the league off on the no cap dumping thing, but want to act like knights in shining armor over not participating in collusion on that one particular issue. Yet they did take advantage if it while other teams(business partners) complied. As business partners can Jones and Snyder be trusted by the other teams in the league? The NFL doing it, Smith negotiating without a vote? All involved did wrong at some point. What a legal mess this could be.

  30. hrudey says: Mar 17, 2012 11:33 AM

    Except that the league wasn’t colluding to keep salaries down; the league told the teams that they should operate as if the salary cap is going to return in the future CBA and not engage in mechanisms to move money out of future years into the uncapped year. The problem wasn’t that the Redskins turned Haynesworth’s $26 million in option bonuses into a signing bonus, the problem was that they then added a clause that allowed Haynesworth to pay that back to void the remainder of the contract, so as to move the salary cap hit entirely into the uncapped year. The league is absolutely correct to make sure that contracts that moved money out of capped years and dumped it all into an uncapped year should be accounted for now.

    If the league was going after these teams hardcore, they’d take away draft picks for cap circumvention. That may well be the response if a lawsuit proceeds, too — and what if the league takes away the #2 from the Redskins? I don’t think this is a power play the teams can win, as much as they’re blustering. Of course, the lazy analysis here just believes that the clawback of the cap money is for breaking some sort of gentleman’s agreement about not paying out a lot of money, rather than what I imagine (but can not prove) was a statement that teams that pushed money out of capped years into the uncapped one would find that money to be accounted for in subsequent years.

  31. defscottyb says: Mar 17, 2012 11:33 AM

    2010 was an uncapped year, period. No rules were broken, no penalty. Give back the cap $ to both teams. End of story

  32. preventoffense says: Mar 17, 2012 11:35 AM

    In all seriousness, can fans of other teams that haven’t spent 4 gazillion dollars on free agents over the past 10 years sue the Cowboys and especially the Redskins for damage to the product that they purchase (their home team) because these two sleaze teams have circumvented the rules?

  33. prosourcetalk says: Mar 17, 2012 11:35 AM

    Drop the grenade and make Goodell fall on it!

  34. deep64blue says: Mar 17, 2012 11:36 AM

    As an Eagles fan I hope they do sue the NFL & the NFLPA- this is an utter fiasco and the Giants need to lose their place on the Exec Committee

  35. westclaims says: Mar 17, 2012 11:38 AM

    I think it’s hilarious. I love that this happened to “America’s team”.

  36. pilarvirus says: Mar 17, 2012 11:40 AM

    I believe that they should, they shouldn’t have to pay for something they did legally.

  37. jbcommonsense says: Mar 17, 2012 11:42 AM

    “the deal to take away the cap money was brokered between NFLPA executive DeMaurice Smith and the NFL Management Council Executive Committee, without a full vote of NFLPA leadership or NFL ownership. The chairman of the CEC is Giants owner John Mara, whose team benefits directly from the removal of cap room from two of his chief division rivals.”
    ——————————————————-

    This stinks to the core! These teams need to let Goodell know how serious and hot this could get.

  38. rockyburnette says: Mar 17, 2012 11:42 AM

    They won’t do it because it is bad for long term business and the related values of their franchises. Sue the rest of the old boys club and see what happens. No Superbowls, no courtesy extended re staffing and scouting, no seat at the table when strategic decisions are made league wide. Jerry is a huge player there, and it benefits his wallet. See it all go up in smoke over s short term hit? Both owners are better business people than that.

  39. bkeating51 says: Mar 17, 2012 11:43 AM

    According to PFT, as of Friday the Redskins were 11.3 million under the cap, with 11 other teams in worse shape.

    We all cry crocodile tears for the Redskins, who have always been the greatest cap abusers since it was introduced.

  40. damianx31 says: Mar 17, 2012 11:48 AM

    [quote]hrudey says: Mar 17, 2012 11:33 AM

    Except that the league wasn’t colluding to keep salaries down; the league told the teams that they should operate as if the salary cap is going to return in the future CBA and not engage in mechanisms to move money out of future years into the uncapped year. The problem wasn’t that the Redskins turned Haynesworth’s $26 million in option bonuses into a signing bonus, the problem was that they then added a clause that allowed Haynesworth to pay that back to void the remainder of the contract, so as to move the salary cap hit entirely into the uncapped year. The league is absolutely correct to make sure that contracts that moved money out of capped years and dumped it all into an uncapped year should be accounted for now. [/quote]

    Then why were the Cowboys punished? For giving Austin a $17M cap hit that supposedly gave them a competitive advantage in a year where they signed no free agents outside their own? If that’s the case then Bears should have been punished for Julius Peppers’ contract. Also, has been said many times, the teams that spent nowhere NEAR the cap floor should have been punished. Giving Miles Austin a $17M cap hit in the uncapped year is no different than the Bucs spending NO money so as to be able to sign 2 of the top 5 free agents on the market this year with no real affect on their cap because it was so far below the cap floor.

  41. pastabelly says: Mar 17, 2012 11:48 AM

    The NFL was smart in re-allocating the reduced cap of those teams to increase the caps of other teams. If they hadn’t, the NFLPA would joined in going nuclear. But as much as I hate the Cowboys, I agree with them. There was an uncapped year. Uncapped means uncapped. If the other teams colluded, they should be the ones penalized not these two idiotic teams who spend foolishly no matter what the cap.

  42. east96st says: Mar 17, 2012 11:48 AM

    Court finds collusion = no more cap = baseball salary structure. Works for me as a Giants fan. NY is pressed up right against the cap. Make it go away and we have a Super Bowl Contending team for the next decade. Sue ‘em, Danny & Jerruh!!! Make that cap go away. Maybe Mara realized the cap was killing his team and specifically targeted the two most volatile and egotistical owners hoping they would blow up.

  43. gregthomas77 says: Mar 17, 2012 11:52 AM

    EVERY NFL fan should hope the Redskins and the Cowboys sue and win. The NFL, if given unchecked powers, could turn on any team at any time. Everybody agrees you have to have rule of law, but first there has to be a law.

  44. drunkenjunk says: Mar 17, 2012 11:52 AM

    hell yea, come on Jerry and Snyder start swinging that legal bat. Hopefully you connect on Goddell’s fat head.

  45. islandersfan says: Mar 17, 2012 12:05 PM

    While the NFL was stupid to pick this fight in the first place the teams involved would just shut up and let this blow over if they were smart …

    Problem is these are the Redskins and Cowboys we’re talking about here and it’s been a long time since either of them (especially the skins) have been called a “smart” franchise.

  46. httr73 says: Mar 17, 2012 12:08 PM

    I’m surprised they didn’t do it sooner. Think of the potential free agents they could have signed with that extra $18M. Hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube at this point. However, still worth it if for no other reason than to get back next years $18M.

  47. stanklepoot says: Mar 17, 2012 12:10 PM

    The key word in this article is COULD. They COULD file a lawsuit. They won’t, but they COULD. The Redskins and the Cowboys are two of the most valuable franchises in the league, meaning that anything that hurts the league hurts Snyder and Jones disproportionately. One of the major gains in the new CBA (in the eyes of the owners) is that Judge Doty is no longer settling disputes between the owners and the players. A lawsuit claiming inappropriate actions by the league could end up with a judge inserting him/herself into the inner workings of the league itself, and could put the league in a position where they’d need court approval for a number of decisions. No owner wants that.

  48. skinshail says: Mar 17, 2012 12:10 PM

    Do it NOW!!! The fans make the NFL not Goodell

  49. skin94249 says: Mar 17, 2012 12:13 PM

    What is the penalty for exceeding the cap in a capped year? You can;t because the commish’s office rejects any and all contracts that don’t comply. Hense this is the NFL’s problem. they did approve the contracts. The owners should take their frustrations out on the Commisioner’s Office not on the Redskis and Cowboys. Period !

  50. usmutts says: Mar 17, 2012 12:14 PM

    Those who engage in collusion should not be heard to complain about collusion. The NFL is predicated entirely on collusion. It exists because of collusion. The draft is collusion. The salary cap is itself collusion. The NFL is from top to bottom a collusive monopoly. The Cowboys and Redskins profit from the collusion every day.

  51. natedawg44 says: Mar 17, 2012 12:14 PM

    Come on Mike, would have been too hard to leave a Jackie Chiles- you tube link? The Seinfeld grows weak in you.

  52. nfl1818 says: Mar 17, 2012 12:15 PM

    I saw that the two teams were in the range of $165mm for the uncapped year. Anyone have the numbers. That’s obviously way over the cap.

    I haven’t seen a number for Chicago. I assume that it was inline with the league.

    I like hrudey’s arguments.

    Wonder what the arguments would look like if you excluded all Dallas and skins fans.

  53. stinger9 says: Mar 17, 2012 12:15 PM

    Pull the pin and drop it! Man this offseason sure makes up for essentially watching the grass grow last offseason.

  54. jssgriffi says: Mar 17, 2012 12:15 PM

    Awww poor Dallas can’t buy there championships anymore. I feel so bad, couldn’t happen to a better team. Suck it jones

  55. 70chip says: Mar 17, 2012 12:17 PM

    In my best nwa automobile voice”GD Riiiiight”! Drop that grenade sue em all let god sort it out.  Jones And Snyder got something for dat a$$

  56. hrudey says: Mar 17, 2012 12:18 PM

    @damianx31 “For giving Austin a $17M cap hit that supposedly gave them a competitive advantage in a year where they signed no free agents outside their own? If that’s the case then Bears should have been punished for Julius Peppers’ contract. Also, has been said many times, the teams that spent nowhere NEAR the cap floor should have been punished. Giving Miles Austin a $17M cap hit in the uncapped year is no different than the Bucs spending NO money so as to be able to sign 2 of the top 5 free agents on the market this year with no real affect on their cap because it was so far below the cap floor.”

    Austin’s contract was $17.078M in base salary in the first year, no signing bonus, and then it plummeted to $1.15M, then back up to 6.732M, followed by $5.5M, $6.88M and $11.38M. Meanwhile, Peppers’ contract had a first year base salary of $20M, but the second year was $11.5M, third was $9M, then $13M, $14M and $16.5M. Peppers’ deal was a little front-loaded but he was still counting $9M against the cap in the cheapest year, while Austin counted a mere $1.15M against the cap this year after having been paid over $17M the year before.

    Of course, if you look at the contract now, Peppers renegotiated and converted some of the salary to signing bonus, so it looks like his salary is lower, but that bonus was spread out over the terms of the contract as is usual. Austin’s contract, while not nearly as blatantly obvious a circumvention as what the Redskins did, is still pretty patently fishy when his second year salary (and first “capped” year) is less than 7% of his uncapped year salary.

  57. domeinate says: Mar 17, 2012 12:20 PM

    McCarthyism—Written evidence gathered. No Evidence of Actual Intent. Tried in the Court of Public Opinion

  58. nyfan63 says: Mar 17, 2012 12:20 PM

    As a Giants fan, I love anything that sticks it to Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder but I have to admit that they have a real argument here. And I was unaware of the John Mara angle, which seems very shaky and opens the NFL to some serious questioning. They probably won’t, but they should pursue a lawsuit. They got hosed.

  59. razzamuff says: Mar 17, 2012 12:24 PM

    Personally, I am not a fan of either team. However, I would like to see both Snyder and Jones be successful with any form of litigation. You cannot announce an uncapped year, and then penalize the teams two year later. The owners voted to end the last CBA, and now 30 of them decide that 2 of the ‘brotherhood’ broke the rules. Absolute joke!

  60. chrisvegas says: Mar 17, 2012 12:24 PM

    They got caught Cheating and should stop being babies about it. Every other team in the NFL did things the right way, so why shouldn’t these two cheating franchises be held accountable?

  61. commandercornpone says: Mar 17, 2012 12:26 PM

    how many more wins did it net them?

  62. daysend564 says: Mar 17, 2012 12:27 PM

    Don’t forget to add the NFLPA to the list!

  63. mschurm1 says: Mar 17, 2012 12:32 PM

    The Skins and Cowboys did what the league told them not to do and should be punished.

    Pats fans can now say cheating doesn’t ensure winning – look at the Redskins.

  64. myvickinabox14 says: Mar 17, 2012 12:37 PM

    I’m an Eagles fan and I say do it.

  65. majbobby says: Mar 17, 2012 12:39 PM

    They do this and bring lawsuit then Just sell your freaking teams….

    WHY makes no sense. Lets sue the people you have to work with to make your team better.

    Yeah good luck finding ANY other trade partners if they do this.

    2 vs 30 is not going to turn out well.

    OOOO You know what let them sue and lose, and watch EVERY other team either not DEAL with them ever again or really rake them over the coals anytime they come calling for a trade.

  66. larrybrown43 says: Mar 17, 2012 12:39 PM

    Go get em Danny. We had big plans if we were to trade up. Plus, the league dropped the bomb hours before free agency was to start likely so the Skins & Boys couldn’t counter in time.

  67. stixnpuxz12 says: Mar 17, 2012 12:45 PM

    In the words of Bart Scott, can’t wait!

    Stick it to Goodell, Smith and every other owner

  68. steelersredsoxnation says: Mar 17, 2012 12:46 PM

    I hate the cowboys and not big on the skins either but they did nothing wrong here.

  69. deadmanwalking47 says: Mar 17, 2012 12:52 PM

    ar1888 says: Mar 17, 2012 11:23 AM

    Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones are the poster boys for how to not run a NFL team. They too much fantasy football with real players, and need a place to dump backloaded contracts for horrible players. They both need to get over it, move on.

    ______________________________________
    were you born an idiot,or did it take awhile for you to become one?if the skins and cowboys did,beat your a$$ that other teams did it!look out commish,you will feel heat like you have yet to feel!

  70. khuxford says: Mar 17, 2012 12:59 PM

    majbobby says:
    Mar 17, 2012 12:39 PM
    They do this and bring lawsuit then Just sell your freaking teams….

    WHY makes no sense. Lets sue the people you have to work with to make your team better.

    Yeah good luck finding ANY other trade partners if they do this.

    2 vs 30 is not going to turn out well.

    OOOO You know what let them sue and lose, and watch EVERY other team either not DEAL with them ever again or really rake them over the coals anytime they come calling for a trade.
    _________________

    I thought with the labor deal done and the owners winning that, some of you pro-owner zombies would crawl back under your rocks.

    It isn’t 2 vs 30: far less than all the teams had a say in this. It wasn’t put up to a vote.

    They violated no rule. They adhered to every written and/or contractual guideline, but are being punished for it…and you think the proper response is to either lay back and take it or to storm off in a huff, leaving the league entirely?

    Moronic.

  71. mnlittle says: Mar 17, 2012 1:01 PM

    It’s way past time for Jones to put the Commish in his place and remind him exactly who he works for! Looks like Jerry may have grown a pair after all!!

  72. bleedsoe9mm says: Mar 17, 2012 1:03 PM

    this was worse cheating than spygate , paying out money in an uncapped year so they had more room when the cap returned was illegal and the league repeatedly warned teams not to do it , the boys and the skins should be happy they only lost cap space and the league didn’t fine them and take away draft picks !

  73. patsfiend says: Mar 17, 2012 1:08 PM

    Go get these bastards. I want to see Goodell get the shaft on something.

  74. eagles7to10 says: Mar 17, 2012 1:15 PM

    They tried to cheat the system, they got caught! Now deal with the consequences like big boys. Simple as that.

  75. thatsgoingtoleaveademarco says: Mar 17, 2012 1:17 PM

    Austin’s contract was the same as Peppers. 17 million 1st year then 8.4 million the second year and 6,4 the third. The fact that the 8.4 million dollar second year salary go converted to bonus is exactly what happened to Peppers.

    Dallas signed exactly 0 outside free agents in taking advantage of the uncapped year and followed that up with a giant $5 million combined dollars on Abe Elam and Kenyon Coleman on 1 and 2 year deals. Dallas was one of the few teams that did not purge their roster of bad contracts during 2010. Instead, they cut Columbo, Davis, Gurode, Williams, and Barber on the first day of 2011. All were players that they knew would not play for them again. They are carrying 25 million+ of dead money into 2012 because of those players and at the same time being punished for salary cap “voodoo”. Honestly to lump Dallas and Washington together is not right.

  76. rg3isvictory says: Mar 17, 2012 1:18 PM

    As LaVar would say, “get em!!!”

  77. bobhk says: Mar 17, 2012 1:18 PM

    Won’t help them this year.

  78. astrosfan75956 says: Mar 17, 2012 1:20 PM

    Sue Jerry sue, the nfl has made a mess of this.

  79. mjkelly77 says: Mar 17, 2012 1:23 PM

    Cowboys and Redskins … like children who’ve been caught doing something they know they should not have done. “But Mom, you never said specifically that I couldn’t go to the dance with Billy … “. They need to be dealt with. I don’t believe any NFL owner is stupid enough to sue and blow the whole thing up.

    Like Cleavon Little in “Blazing Saddles”, holding a gun to his own head saying “Get back or I’ll shoot the n!gger”, these two cheaters are just trying to get away. In this case they want to get away with a smaller punishment.

  80. thetwilightsown says: Mar 17, 2012 1:25 PM

    Dear Cowboys and Redskins fans: Now that Al Davis has passed, we, this beautiful Raider Nation, pass to you The Baton of Constant Strife.

    Please be prepared for ever-present enmity from fellow owners, the in-game unveiling of bizarre and archaic rules at the most inopportune times and of course… The Big Screw. It’s comin’. Enjoy. Hope you enjoyed hearing “Holding” called on your opponents while it lasted, because those days are… *poof*

  81. stevie59 says: Mar 17, 2012 1:29 PM

    Although I am not a fan of either team I feel they did nothing wrong. Should have had a vote instead of everything held in secret. Bring back Paul Tagliabue.
    Goodell is a joke!

  82. khuxford says: Mar 17, 2012 1:30 PM

    eagles7to10 says:
    Mar 17, 2012 1:15 PM
    They tried to cheat the system, they got caught! Now deal with the consequences like big boys. Simple as that.
    ___________________

    Is 7-10 the hours of the day where your brains work?

    There was no cheating. The labor agreement agreed to an uncapped year. Like with a signing bonus, there was some risk involved in all that guaranteed money up front…but additional risk in not doing it as a signing bonus. For instance, if any player decided to retire or walk after that, the team couldn’t sue for any of it returned, since it was contractually his one year salary.

    But, again, these two weren’t even the only ones to do it. And they broke no rules. Cheating requires there to be a rule that was broken, no?

  83. thesportgenius says: Mar 17, 2012 1:34 PM

    Jones & Snyder are good businessmen but crappy NFL GM’s/owners. Got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Jerry just deal with it and then go hire some real football minds and stop trying to use your overly concussed brain to make personnel and contract decisions. Oh and you guys don’t really want to be the next Al Davis & sue the league. That din’t work out to well for the Raiders.

  84. giantssg says: Mar 17, 2012 1:34 PM

    The NFL could be doing both teams a favor anyway. The best penalty would be to give Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder MORE cap space to spend on the Albert Haynesworths, Terence Newmans and Adam Archuletas of the world.

  85. hikohadon says: Mar 17, 2012 1:39 PM

    Oh good. More lawsuits. Just what the world needs.

  86. everettcopple says: Mar 17, 2012 1:42 PM

    Very appreciative of your coverage of this scandal Mike. It’s refreshing to hear someone not just sweep this under the rug or have an “oh well, you shoulda” attitude towards the Skins and Boys.

    This is personal, Jones and Snyder have made plenty of enemies. What needs to be realized here is that these are the two top grossing franchises in the NFL by far and so should they decide to drop the grenade, they may be the only two that could withstand the blow financially. Should be interesting as it plays out.

    Whatever happens, the NFL needs to be on notice that they can’t just sit up in their ivory tower and hand down bogus penalties without any accountability. If something isn’t done now, it will need to be done in the future.

  87. alwaters9 says: Mar 17, 2012 1:46 PM

    About time ol’ Roger found out he was not king. I am tired of his dictatorship dealings.

  88. grhopper says: Mar 17, 2012 2:11 PM

    Let’s keep this simple. If no rules were broken, how can you retroactively penalize a team? From two years no less. Makes no sense. The NFL colluded to penalize these two teams…and I fail to see, based on their performance how or where they achieved a competitive advantage.
    Sue or threaten to sue, and I bet the league will recind their inexcusable action. The NFL doesn’t stand a chance in court, based on legalities, nor do they want to chance to inevitable adverse publicity.

  89. nflcollusion says: Mar 17, 2012 2:17 PM

    This site talks more about the collusion in the NFL –

    http://www.nflcollusion.com

  90. dieselfan44 says: Mar 17, 2012 3:10 PM

    First and last time I’ll say this..go getum skins and boys! Unleash hell on these cheating bastards!

  91. vanco333 says: Mar 17, 2012 3:40 PM

    About time I read something like this and I hope the Cowboys/Redskins do sue everyone for this.

    Doesn’t matter if you like/hate either team but for the NFL to penalize the teams for not participating in collusion (an illegal activity) and then blackmailing the NFLPA as well as abusing their job posts ie. Goodell/Mara they should be fired.

    Unfortunately the damage has already been done as they can never sign the FAs they wanted to this year, but I hope they get some justice and their salary cap get’s restored asap.

    Hate to say this but this has been one of the most unfair events I have seen in sports history.

    The fact that you tell a team a day before FA that they are going to take their cap space away shows how badly they tried to hurt the teams.

  92. spoiler41 says: Mar 17, 2012 3:42 PM

    What about teams like Tampa Bay that stayed way below the cap? Shouldnt they be included in this?

  93. mojosmagic says: Mar 17, 2012 4:03 PM

    Both teams were in CAP hell because of years of miss management. Clown Jerry and his brother clown Dan tried to circumvent the system during the in CAP season by signing players to front loaded contracts the likes of which the NFL has never seen. They were the only two teams in the league to do so hence the punishment. If both had been smarter and added smaller amounts of money on multiple contracts neither would have been caught. To bad, they lose.

  94. dbldmr says: Mar 17, 2012 5:44 PM

    Is Miss Management the cap centerfold?

  95. mojosmagic says: Mar 17, 2012 5:45 PM

    To sue would mean accusing the NFL of collusion. Last I checked Jones and Snyder own NFL teams suing themselves doesn’t work.

  96. kismyanus says: Mar 17, 2012 6:04 PM

    Get in line Boys and Skins and do as you are told before they bounce you out of the league and start a couple new teams in your stead. Suing wont work anyway. The fit they are throwing is making this even better.

  97. kismyanus says: Mar 17, 2012 6:06 PM

    You people are delusional. They were told SIX times not do it. They did it and now they WILL pay the price.

  98. axespray says: Mar 17, 2012 6:06 PM

    six times…. the whole league told you six times not to do it….

    Anyone watch Scarface/Goodfellas knows there’s retaliation for when you cross someone with power….
    Jones and Synder done crossed the boss.

  99. bbigtim says: Mar 17, 2012 6:46 PM

    The NFL owners are about to find out that the antitrust laws do apply to them. Their have admitted that they tried to create an informal conspiracy in restraint of trade in the “uncapped” year and that those who were most blatant in their refusal to cooperate in this conspiracy will be punished.

    Getting the NFLPA to sign off on this scheme retroactively is not collective bargaining, particularly when it is done under obvious duress. It was foolish for the NFLPA to go along with this, because it means lower salaries for free agents no matter how you slice it. The NFL is going to lose this battle ultimately, and the net effect will be to help the players in their ongoing battle for a fair share of NFL revenues.

    The only downside for Snyder if he goes nuclear is that he will become the new Al Davis, no longer a mamer in good standing of the old boys’ club. If I was him, i would say who gives a shoot. Some of the owners obviously already want to screw him anyway.

  100. 40gut says: Mar 17, 2012 7:02 PM

    Al Davis has past on here comes Dan and Jerry watch out NFL

  101. dcbronco says: Mar 17, 2012 7:43 PM

    These two teams have the highest revenue by far. While a suit could cause the league problems, it will be the rest of the owners that suffer the most. They can afford to give some of their 100 million plus annual profit.

  102. renhoekk2 says: Mar 17, 2012 8:04 PM

    How quickly some of these small market owners turn on the cash cows of the League. For teams like the Bills and Bengals and the rest of the small market teams and their respective owners if not for the profit sharing of Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones they would be gone, or gasp have to spend their own money to run their teams instead of Jones’ and Snyder’s.

    All 32 owners agreed to the uncapped year when they agreed to the last CBA. All 32 owners agreed to put the uncapped year into affect when they all agreed to let the last CBA expire. The small market teams were scared to death that the more successful teams would spend crazy amounts of money and leave them in the dust so they got together and tried to enforce a form of collusion to get spending down. And now they’re trying to make Jones and Snyder out to be the bad guys.

    Sorry six warnings of a back-room “wink-wink” deal is not a violation of anything. And is no way any form of cheating.

  103. khuxford says: Mar 17, 2012 8:25 PM

    renhoekk2 says:
    Mar 17, 2012 8:04 PM
    How quickly some of these small market owners turn on the cash cows of the League. For teams like the Bills and Bengals and the rest of the small market teams and their respective owners if not for the profit sharing of Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones they would be gone, or gasp have to spend their own money to run their teams instead of Jones’ and Snyder’s.
    ___________________

    You do realize there was no profit-sharing in that uncapped year, right? I remember there was an attempt to keep profit-sharing out of this CBA and the players were arguing to keep profit-sharing in against owners that wanted it out.

  104. rickvaldez says: Mar 17, 2012 10:28 PM

    So you think the NFL would boot the top two earners? Some people should think before the write something so stupid it was crooked to take any cap space and on top of it they don’t even vote. It’s godell and mara getting together to decide to punish 2 of the many teams that did it.

  105. captaintriumph says: Mar 17, 2012 11:17 PM

    What I’ve noticed is that no one denies that the Skins and Cowboys did it. Yes, they cheated. Just because it’s not a written law doesn’t mean it’s not cheating. I know it’s a hard pill to swallow for all the Skins and Cowboys fans. But to let them get away with it would be unfair.

  106. redskinsrt says: Mar 17, 2012 11:31 PM

    Giants should lose picks… Smith and Goodell should dust off their resumes

  107. khuxford says: Mar 17, 2012 11:34 PM

    captaintriumph says:
    Mar 17, 2012 11:17 PM
    What I’ve noticed is that no one denies that the Skins and Cowboys did it. Yes, they cheated. Just because it’s not a written law doesn’t mean it’s not cheating. I know it’s a hard pill to swallow for all the Skins and Cowboys fans. But to let them get away with it would be unfair.
    ________________

    You’re just stubbornly ignorant. It can only be cheating when a rule is broken. You’re one of those kids that always claimed the other kid was cheating if they beat you at something, just because they figured out a way to do things better than you.

    And several other teams did the same thing, worst among them being the Bears with the Julius Peppers contract.

  108. mojosmagic says: Mar 17, 2012 11:34 PM

    If the Skins and Cowboys are so great they can start their own league and play with themselves. Danny boy and Jerod love playing with themselves. The reality is their fans are delusional. They are financially successful along with a host of other teams like the Giants, Eagles, Ravens, New England, Jets and many others. On the field those two losers have one playoff win between them in two decades!!!

  109. widogg says: Mar 18, 2012 8:22 AM

    these teams are owned by the two biggest dumbasses in the league they could be allowed to spend $46 million more than everyone else and still be losers. maybe they could hire some scumbag lawyer from west virginny.

  110. bluebongzilla says: Mar 18, 2012 9:43 AM

    In 1995, the NFL sued Jerry Jones for $350 million for brokering stadium sponsorship deals with Pepsi and Nike that NFL Properties, Inc. characterized as against NFL rules.

    Jones counter-sued for $750 million dollars because he believed that the deals broke no existing rules. The NFL knew it had no stable ground on which to stand, dropped it’s suit and today, stadium sponsorship deals are the norm.

    The NFL, with Paul Tagliabue leading the charge, made a similar backdoor deal with the NFLPA for salary cap considerations, and countered with voiding the contract that Deion Sanders signed with the Cowboys, made the “Deion Sanders Rule”, and applied it retroactively to include Sanders’ contract.

    The Cowboys countered that with winning the Super Bowl anyway. If you think that Jerry Jones is afraid to sue the NFL, you’d better think again. He’s been there and done that already.

  111. wretchu says: Mar 18, 2012 10:10 AM

    east96st says: Mar 17, 2012 11:48 AM
    Court finds collusion = no more cap = baseball salary structure. Works for me as a Giants fan. NY is pressed up right against the cap. Make it go away and we have a Super Bowl Contending team for the next decade. Sue ‘em, Danny & Jerruh!!! Make that cap go away. Maybe Mara realized the cap was killing his team and specifically targeted the two most volatile and egotistical owners hoping they would blow up.

    ====

    You should know what you’re talking about before running your mouth. The salary cap is agreed upon in the CBA between the players union and the league, so there’s no legal grounds to remove it. The issue at hand is that after an “uncapped year” you have 30 teams retroactively changing the rules and punishing two teams for actually, you know, treating it like an uncapped year. A salary cap becomes collusion if and only if it is not negotiated with the players union – as was the case in 2010. There’s absolutely nothing illegal about the salary cap as it exists today.

    The only reason the league got the players union involved on their side was to make it more difficult for a lawsuit to go through. They redistributed the cap taken away from Washington and Dallas to the other 30 teams for the sole purpose of keeping the union happy. Had the league just taken the money out of the cap, who does that really hurt? Certainly not the owners; it’s a removal of cap space, not a fine. That’s money taken straight out of the players’ pockets. If the league hadn’t do that, it would be 2 owners AND the players union against the league rather than two owners against 30 + the players.

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