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Elway’s quest to move on from Tebow may not end with Manning

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John Elway has already demonstrated, through his pursuit of Peyton Manning, that he wasn’t being completely candid when he declared that Tim Tebow had earned the right to enter training camp as the Broncos’ starter. But even if the Broncos fail to secure Manning’s services, that doesn’t mean Tebow’s position as the Broncos’ starter is safe.

In fact, as Mike Klis of the Denver Post points out, if Manning picks the Titans or 49ers, and Matt Hasselbeck or Alex Smith becomes the odd man out, it’s entirely possible that Hasselbeck or Smith would then become the Broncos’ next targets.

The problem is that most free agent quarterbacks aren’t going to want to step into a situation where they’re viewed by the Tebowmaniacs in Denver as the guy who was brought in to push Tebow out. Florio has heard that the Broncos looked into the possibility of signing Matt Flynn during tampering season, but Flynn wanted nothing to do with the no-win situation that is replacing Tebow in Denver, or competing with him in training camp.

Hasselbeck or Smith, however, may find themselves without any better option if Manning chooses the Titans or 49ers. The chance to start in Denver is better than no chance to start anywhere.

Klis suggests that the Broncos also could decide to draft Oklahoma State quarterback Brandon Weeden, in another effort to find someone who could push Tebow aside. Drafting the 28-year-old Weeden is a move that a team would make if it thinks Weeden can start right away, and the Broncos may think Weeden is better than Tebow right now.

It sounds harsh to suggest that the Broncos would be so intent on replacing Tebow, after a season in which he was a big reason they went from 1-4 to the playoffs, and a big reason they won their first playoff game since 2005.  But Elway inherited Tebow from the previous regime in Denver, and John Fox didn’t even want to start Tebow over Kyle Orton until the team’s 1-4 start forced his hand. Fox has already said he wants to have two new quarterbacks who can compete with Tebow, and the reality is that after Tebow completed only 46.5 percent of his passes last year, it’s reasonable for the Broncos to think they can get a better passer.

So it shouldn’t be a huge surprise if Tebow is not the Broncos’ starter this year. Even if they don’t get Manning.

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  1. scottdragosnai says: Mar 18, 2012 12:53 PM

    It’s obvious they want a pure passer, Tebow should have known this the day Elway took the job.

  2. redrobots44 says: Mar 18, 2012 12:56 PM

    Tebows the man

  3. crazybeardedjack says: Mar 18, 2012 12:58 PM

    Wherever this goes Elway has proven that he is way to personally involved in these decisions. Say what you want about Tebow, but he took them from 1-4 to the playoffs and won at Pittsburgh with the same team Orton couldn’t win with. Elway’s apparent beef with Tebow is starting to make Elway come off like a petty child who wants it either his way or no way, regardless of how many games/fans are lost in the process. What did Hasselbeck do in Tennessee last season to make it seem like HE’s the answer? Alex Smith was the product of a dominant defense and ball-control offense. He’s at the same level as Tebow with more than twice as much time in the league. The Broncos are really looking like donkeys this offseason.

  4. dlw492 says: Mar 18, 2012 12:58 PM

    I hope Tebow wins a Super Bowl- after the Broncos trade him

  5. lostsok says: Mar 18, 2012 12:59 PM

    I don’t disagree with their position, I don’t like Tebow’s unconventional style either. But they should trade him to someone who does. It’s not fair to the team, the fans or Tebow to be a clearly-unwanted “starter.” It makes no sense, and just adds pointless tension.

  6. revanslightsaber says: Mar 18, 2012 1:00 PM

    Call me crazy but I’d take Tebow over Smith

  7. bucrightoff says: Mar 18, 2012 1:00 PM

    Someone should sign Flynn just for showing how smart he his wanting no part of that mess.

  8. barneyrumble says: Mar 18, 2012 1:00 PM

    The dominoes are lined up and Manning’s decision will start them tumbling quickly it is just a matter of which way they tumble, but there is no doubt that Peyton’s decision impacts several other players, it is just a matter of who those players are.

    If Peyton had such a talented Colts team around him, why are more of them not being gobbled up in FA? Only Wayne re-signing (which I still don’t get) and Garcon being overpaid in Washington but what about Diem, Saturday, Clark, Addai, Brackett et al ? All real quality men, but maybe 18 made them appear more talented than they were? Just asking.

  9. kspl1 says: Mar 18, 2012 1:03 PM

    That is lame that they want tebow out. My god, have they heard of practice, he’s gonna get better and I’m not a fan of tebow or the broncos, but they aren’t even giving him a chance or any support. He’s doing good despite them

  10. hedleykow says: Mar 18, 2012 1:04 PM

    All of this at least proves that Elway isn’t a complete idiot; understanding that Jesus love probably isn’t the soundest of methods to use in rebuilding an NFL franchise.

  11. preventoffense says: Mar 18, 2012 1:04 PM

    Interesting. As I recall a certain Peyton Manning threw 14 gazillion interceptions in his first year as a starter. I wonder if Elway would have wanted to replace Manning the second year.

    While I am thinking of it, there is a video clip of Elway opening the door for Manning on his first visit with some strange body language in it. Elway tilts his head and shrugs oddly as if he resents catering to Manning in this way. No doubt my over active imagination.

  12. rpiotr01 says: Mar 18, 2012 1:05 PM

    That owner from Jax will trade Denver 3 first round picks and his magic genie lamp for Tebow.

  13. thebraso says: Mar 18, 2012 1:05 PM

    Elway is starting to look awefully Millen like….

  14. buckeyeron says: Mar 18, 2012 1:07 PM

    Hasselbeck? Of course, but they’ll have to fight off Holmgren, and possibly Seattle, for him. Smith? No way – he’s more consistent than Tebow, but not nearly enough to justify being the QB of the future for the team.

  15. randomguy9999 says: Mar 18, 2012 1:08 PM

    Elway should kick over every rock he can find cause 123 yards, .8 TDs and 9 completions per game will not get it done….

  16. binkystevens says: Mar 18, 2012 1:08 PM

    Is it just me or is Elway looking more and more like Gary Busey every day?

  17. atrophiedambitions says: Mar 18, 2012 1:08 PM

    Broncos sort of went all-in on this Manning thing. Once they made that serious of a push, they virtually ensured that Tebow would freak out and not want to play for them anymore. Now they need someone whose popularity can rival Tebow’s to prevent a revolution of bible thumpers who don’t understand football from tearing down mile-high.

    Eventually, I think they’ll trade Tebow to Miami even if they don’t pick-up a quality replacement. As a Chiefs fan, watching this all unfold is marvelous.

  18. patsfiend says: Mar 18, 2012 1:10 PM

    The kid deserves a shot at the starting job, especially if he shows improvement in his passing. If they are going to string him out like this, they should seek a trade for him.

  19. mikesmajormojo says: Mar 18, 2012 1:11 PM

    Elway doesn’t exactly inspire a lot of confidence for me as a Bronco’s fan. He seems to make poorly calculated decisions yet tries to appear decisive and in charge. He was a good QB but that doesn’t automatically make him a good GM. Case in point: Tim Tebow. He gave into public pressure to play him last year because he expected him to fall flat on his face just to quiet DEN fans. They even refashioned the offense around him after 5 games to take adv of his running abilities, traded away Lloyd and now seemed to be too exhausted or too impatient to stick with Tebow’s improvement at QB. IMO, Elway is holding this team back and may have even set this team back a few years.

  20. jus10jonez says: Mar 18, 2012 1:12 PM

    Is Skip Bayless getting on here leaving comments? Tebow sucks as a QB. He did nothing special that any good QB couldn’t had done. And don’t even tell me about the 4th quarter comebacks cuz if he didn’t have so many 3 & outs then he wouldn’t have needed comeback wins. Late game comebacks should be from the opposing team scoring RIGHT BEFORE you do, not at the end of the first half then your defense holds them off for 2 quarters

  21. mste4387 says: Mar 18, 2012 1:12 PM

    @crazybeardedjack

    The game was in Denver. Fact check next time.

  22. tombrookshire says: Mar 18, 2012 1:13 PM

    They caught lightening in a bottle last season. It was a total fluke. Who doesn’t know that Tebow is no long term solution at QB? Surely their fans aren’t that star struck that they think Tebow could have a career like Elway’s? The Tebowmania would soon turn into open rebellion if the Broncos go 0-16 next season with Tebow as the QB, which could happen. Seems Elway is the only sane one in Denver these days who is looking for a real QB.

  23. poison66 says: Mar 18, 2012 1:14 PM

    Weeden would be an instant upgradeover Tebow. The guy is mature and NFL ready……

  24. nygsbchamps4 says: Mar 18, 2012 1:15 PM

    Last year was a one time thing, Tebow will not be able to get away with being essentially a running back. For years we heard he was working on his mechanics in order to become a better passer, to no avail. You can’t teach an old dog new tricks. Man up and ship him out Elway!

  25. yogikenobi says: Mar 18, 2012 1:15 PM

    In response to this article Jeff George just poured himself a 2nd bowl of Wheaties.

  26. nygiantsfaninseattle says: Mar 18, 2012 1:15 PM

    The amount of dialog that takes place regarding Tim Tebow’s ability borders on the insane.

    Yes, the guy can play football, but can’t we just be honest and admit the guy isn’t an NFL quality quarterback?

    His passing instincts abd mechanics aren’t at the level you would expect for a starting NFL quarterback and with the exception of the Jags, I can’t think of another NFL team that would take him to be there starting quarterback.

  27. gudy2shoes says: Mar 18, 2012 1:16 PM

    Hass could wind up back in Seattle.

  28. football2011 says: Mar 18, 2012 1:18 PM

    I am a 20 year Denver resident and Broncoes fan. John Elway has become a bitter, jealous old man. He is so scared that a guy he didn’t draft (Tebow) will succeed and thus dimish Elway’s legacy in Bronco’s lore that he is doing everything he can do to get him out of town.

    I predict he will trade or release Tebow soon and Tebow’s succesor will lay a great big egg in Denver and Elway will be fired and his legacy tarnished.

  29. Soulman45 says: Mar 18, 2012 1:19 PM

    If the team front office don’t won’t a player cut him and be done with it and take the heat.

  30. rcali says: Mar 18, 2012 1:19 PM

    Wait, John Elway the car salesman?

  31. ronswansonsdinner says: Mar 18, 2012 1:20 PM

    If Tebow gets traded to Miami, another team that has no talent at the reciever position. Give the guy a chance to succeed. Who knows, maybe he’d be the fish that saved Miami anyway?

  32. palinforpresidentofnorthkorea says: Mar 18, 2012 1:22 PM

    lostsok says: Mar 18, 2012 12:59 PM

    I don’t disagree with their position, I don’t like Tebow’s unconventional style either. But they should trade him to someone who does. It’s not fair to the team, the fans or Tebow to be a clearly-unwanted “starter.” It makes no sense, and just adds pointless tension.

    ~~~~
    Agree with the comment but the Broncs aren’t the first to do this.

    ‘Skins do it every year in The Little Munchkin’s Era. This year Lil’ Dan has converted his starting QB into a “good soldier backup” for a draft pick that hasn’t even happened yet!

  33. bn2n2me says: Mar 18, 2012 1:22 PM

    It is AMAZING the mediocrity and pathetic ability this NON qb has shown, and some of you wretched people actually see “success” in his failure??? How lame are you?? lol..he’s a NON qb, shouldn’t be in the league as a qb, and would barely make it as a fullback. The games the TEAM won while they were cursed by him as their qb last year were despite him and in NO WAY because of him! The defense rallied together and said we gotta play out of our minds to cover this f’d up decision mgt made to make this punk our qb. When in fact the mgt made the decision to show the world how much he sux! They underestimated the affinity for mediocrity you all have in yourselves and therefore see it in this non qb and followed him like its a cult! Just because you’re pathetic and lame with NO ability doesn’t mean you’re going to turn the league into that! The broncos need to trade this cancer asap, send him to Jville so gabbert and he can compete to destroy the Jags to the point they move to LA, get rid of them both and get a REAL qb, the future of the league type of qb(like Cam or RGIII) in there and watch them do work! But to stay with this punk..is going to prove un watchable and just gauruntee you pick in the type 5 every year until this non qb(I refuse to say his name) is gone!

  34. tigerlilac says: Mar 18, 2012 1:23 PM

    As we watch teams chase Peyton Manning like a drunk hitting on a girl in a strip bar, wallet open and willing to go home with anyone that will have him, there is one guy that is playing it smart this offseason.

    Not only other franchises, but also our two political parties, could learn something from Bill Belichick. Belichick understands that you need strong leaders but that you also need a strong middle class and working class.

    Compare his approach to free agency (Brandon Lloyd, 3 years, $12MM, reasonable money for Fanene and Gregory, small money for potential upside in Scott and Gonzalez) to the Washington Redskins (Pierre Garcon, 5 years, $42.5MM); the combined annual salaries for the five guys approximates what Washington paid for one, with less of a long-term commitment. Not surprising to see Washington wasting money.

    Belichick invests for the future, always stockpiling draft choices. He stares down agents (Condon) and his best players (Mankins) in negotiations. His players respect him and the fans love him.

    He would make a great president. There certainly wouldn’t have been a bailout of a bunch of non-performers that brought commercial and investment banks to the brink of bankruptcy. For you conspiracy theorists and spygate lovers, that just confirms he could handle the CIA.

  35. jagsfan1 says: Mar 18, 2012 1:25 PM

    The NFL is a cold blooded business. They seem to have almost ZERO hang time anymore for qb’s.

    Bottom line seems to be that if you can’t show them by mid 2nd year that you have Brady/Brees/Manning potential – they start looking for someone else.

    NFL is not the place to “learn” how to play QB.

    Can’t blame Elway for wanting another….Elway.

    Tebow in Jax would be something.

  36. gmsalpha says: Mar 18, 2012 1:26 PM

    It sure will be interesting to see who lands where, who gets the starting gig in his new city, and who ends up succeeding vs who fails. The second-guessing will be fun.

    Predictions: Manning to San Fran. Alex Smith to Miami. Flynn to Seattle. Weeden to Denver. Tebow to Jacksonville. Gabbert to the curb.

  37. upyoursnfu says: Mar 18, 2012 1:27 PM

    Vince Young

  38. atrophiedambitions says: Mar 18, 2012 1:29 PM

    Lets be clear about something: Tebow cannot win consistently.

    Now that we’re months removed from the end of their season, everyone just looks at Tebow’s body of work as a whole and forgets it progression.

    Much like the wildcat, the offense that Fox built around Tebow worked for weeks and no one could figure it out. Then, when DC’s realized that playing tight coverage against receivers leaves the very inaccurate Tebow almost no chance to complete passes consistently. Put everyone else in the box with man-to-man defense on the outside, and he won’t produce much if anything. Denver hit a wall when the league figured this out after the Chicago game. In the last 3 games of the regular season, Tebow went:
    30/73
    Threw 4 picks and 1 TD
    was sacked 10 times
    Lost all 3 games
    and the Broncos offense averaged 13 points per game.

    Yes, they beat the Steelers in the playoffs…after their 2 best defensive linemen (Keisel and Hampton) were knocked out of the game in the first quarter. Even so, it was a close game and Tebow was under 50% completions.

    Then New England, one of the league’s worst defenses, left Tebow with no TD’s, 5 sacks, and a 34.6 completion percentage.

    Fox built an offense around a gimmick. The league figured it out. Tebow may have a great attitude but that can only accomplish so much when you only clear 50% completions in 2 games a season.

  39. hedleykow says: Mar 18, 2012 1:33 PM

    Weeden was an awesome qb in high school. Of course, he was 24 years old at the time.

  40. blue22ro says: Mar 18, 2012 1:36 PM

    Can you really blame elway?

  41. fatfreddystubbs says: Mar 18, 2012 1:37 PM

    You mention the Tebowmaniacs in Denver. I’ve said this before, but i’m not a Broncos fan and i don’t live in Denver, but i live in Vegas and there are a ton of Broncos fans out here. I work with two of them. That’s not a big enough sample size to really mean anything, but that being said, i think you need to differentiate the national Tebow fans from the Denver Tebow fans.

    Denver Tebow fans (at least the ones i know) appreciate the fact that they were 1-4 without him starting, and then went 7-4 with him starting and won a playoff game, but at the same time they realize his shortcomings and wouldn’t freak out at the idea of another QB coming in that might give them a better chance. Yeah, if Tebow is 2nd string and they start off 1-4 again, they’ll be calling for Tebow, but the backup QB is always one of the most popular guys in town when the team isn’t doing well.

    I think it’s more the national Tebow fans that want to see the guy play regardless.

  42. opshuns says: Mar 18, 2012 1:38 PM

    I am so appreciative that Elway is runnng the Broncos. Takes my mind off of them being competitive for a while…

  43. boltfaninfalconcountry says: Mar 18, 2012 1:38 PM

    I hope Tebow has a lot of success. But Elway is trying win, he’s not going to tip his hand let us know his long term plan is.

  44. jjbadd says: Mar 18, 2012 1:40 PM

    ok..I am the biggest Elway fan in the history of the world, but his actions regarding Tebow are pissing me off. I understand the Manning thing, and while I am not 100 percent behind him on it, I get it. But Hasslebeck or Smith are no better than Tebow, and for the record, I’ve been a Tebow supporter since BEFORE he started a single game, and something tells me that it will be a bad mistake to get rid of him. He has an incredible will to win, and in case anyone forgot, a couple of those wins from last year, I would have never believed them possible had I not witnessed it. Keep Tebow…

  45. meytonpanning says: Mar 18, 2012 1:40 PM

    Tebow is a good leader, but seriously he should be a running back… I think a Willis-Tebow pitch count could be very preductive. Especially when it comes to HB option passes, or trick plays. Hopefully Tebow isn’t closed minded about changing positions.

  46. cannonballdookie says: Mar 18, 2012 1:42 PM

    When the Broncos beat the Steelers, it infuriated me not because we lost, but because Denver won with a QB the front office wanted to see fail. Elway is so fake, you can see right through him.

    I know Tebow is a very flawed QB, but I’m holding out hope that he will get out of Denver and demolish the Broncos every time they play him. He’s a good guy and deserves a better opportunity, even if he’s not a good QB yet.

  47. jayhawk6 says: Mar 18, 2012 1:43 PM

    John Elway was a superstar QB but if the Broncos don’t sign Manning, he may start looking
    like Elmer Fudd as a GM

    He could be well on the way to reproving the old adage that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

  48. cannonballdookie says: Mar 18, 2012 1:43 PM

    jagsfan1 says: Mar 18, 2012 1:25 PM

    The NFL is a cold blooded business. They seem to have almost ZERO hang time anymore for qb’s.

    Bottom line seems to be that if you can’t show them by mid 2nd year that you have Brady/Brees/Manning potential – they start looking for someone else.

    NFL is not the place to “learn” how to play QB.

    Can’t blame Elway for wanting another….Elway.

    Tebow in Jax would be something.
    ———————————–

    That is all true… unless you are Mark Sanchez.

  49. tatatoothy says: Mar 18, 2012 1:46 PM

    ronswansonsdinner says:
    Mar 18, 2012 1:20 PM

    If Tebow gets traded to Miami, another team that has no talent at the reciever position. Give the guy a chance to succeed. Who knows, maybe he’d be the fish that saved Miami anyway?
    ___________________________________

    Way too much sinning going on in Miami for that relationship to ever work

  50. atrophiedambitions says: Mar 18, 2012 1:46 PM

    preventoffense says:
    Mar 18, 2012 1:04 PM
    Interesting. As I recall a certain Peyton Manning threw 14 gazillion interceptions in his first year as a starter. I wonder if Elway would have wanted to replace Manning the second year.

    —————————————–

    Are you seriously suggesting that Tebow will be as good as Peyton Manning some day?

    And no, Elway wouldn’t have traded a QB with excellent fundamentals, a lightening-fast throwing motion, and magician-like play-action ability even if he had a bad season.

    I don’t understand why Tebow fans can’t see how terrible he is at being QB. I know you love jesus too but that doesn’t take-back the extra step every defensive back gets because of his protracted throwing motion. I know he hates abortion just like you but that doesn’t make his wobbly passes accurate. He’s not “unconventional” and he’s not even a promising young star who needs time to develop. He’s a goalline HB who should get a 5-page appendix in the playbook.

  51. buffedwhiteman says: Mar 18, 2012 1:47 PM

    Tim Tebows elongated throwing motion = compensating inherently weak arm.

  52. djgblack says: Mar 18, 2012 1:51 PM

    John elway is doing whats best for the broncos, and it isn’t tim tebow, BRONCOS fans need to get off this tebow crap, and find a real quarterback!!!! Only thing tebow is good for is selling tix. Get with the program broncos fans!!!

  53. jameslongstaffe says: Mar 18, 2012 1:56 PM

    I find it interesting that Tim Tebow is such a polarizing figure. Last year, I saw many examples of professional football analysts that voiced some pretty irrational judgements on Tim Tebow… like he was the worst QB ever lol. When you approach it from a purely football perspective, Tebow did everything asked of him… protected the football, used his athletic ability, showed leadership & won a bunch of football games including a playoff game against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Be careful what you wish for… I watched a player named Doug Flutie play for many years in Canada, & the NFL missed out Big Time!! on his best years because of irrational judgements. Right up to Wade Philips & the Music City Miracle lol.

  54. ratbastardshanahandjob says: Mar 18, 2012 2:04 PM

    As a Raider fan the last thing I want is a real QB in Denver. Especially P. Manning…..

    Saint Timmy Rah Rah starting and Denver’s schedule this year (which I believe is one of if not the toughest) equals about 4 or 5 wins. But being Denver and looking at the bright side. Elway could then draft a real franchise QB in the 2013 draft….

  55. gavriloprincip33 says: Mar 18, 2012 2:06 PM

    atrophiedambitions says:
    Mar 18, 2012 1:46 PM

    I don’t understand why Tebow fans can’t see how terrible he is at being QB.

    —————

    Ummm, because they are Tebow fans and therefore delusional…

  56. pxeeks says: Mar 18, 2012 2:06 PM

    If I was a Denver Broncos fan I would boycott the Broncos and Elway. It makes no sense for football fans outside looking in as to why they want to get rid of Tebow. All Tebow did was get the love of his teammates/fans and revenue for the team. It all makes no sense. They beat the vaunted Steelers too in the playoffs. Amazes me.

  57. cashisking4life says: Mar 18, 2012 2:06 PM

    I don’t get why Kellen Moore the qb from Bosie state isn’t mentioned as much this yr. if I was the broncos and their so hellbent on gettin rid of teblow, I would try trading teblow to the patriots for RYAN MALLET, or to Jacksonville for Blaine Gabbert! Even though blain kinda sucks too, but buy trading for Blaine u get rid if teblow and then u can then try 2 sign Matt Flynn with Tebow gone. Plan B sign Donavan Mcnabb and when the tebowmanics get in his case cause he’s fat and overweight, he can just pull the race card and deflect attention from Elway lol jk about plan b.

    Even though teblow can’t pass very good an everytime he runs with the ball, I gasp cause he’s so close to fumbling the ball all the time, and luckily he’s next to the sideline. I still give him credit for having the heart 2 fight. Examples! Bears game took a hit from lance brigs and stayed standing, an also during bears game took off running to the right and laid out like 4 defenders. Playoff game against patriots took a hit from everyone and their mom over and over and didn’t complain about the pain. Kinda looked like Jesus carrying the cross in that game gettin whipped, I was waiting for Mel gibson to run onto the field and yell cut!

    Final point is my little sister can or that kid in highschool gym class with down syndrome can probably throw better than Tebow, and his reaction time and decision making was poor a lot of the time, those two u can improve on, but throwing mechnisms is tougher to change. I think 3 yrs is long enough. It like I can teach you tons of martial arts but the time I see u on the street and punch u in the face are you going to resort back to ur old habits.

    When Tebow did make good decisions and perfect throws all year long during the first three quarter his wr’s repeatedly dropped passes and then his rb’s would fumble the ball an kill the drive. Forcing them to punt! So footballs a team game. If your rb’s are fumbling and wr’s cant catch as we’ve seen inthe last superbowl even the Great Tom Brady was forced to punt and lose

  58. jacksonjames4 says: Mar 18, 2012 2:13 PM

    When are you knuckleheads gonna learn Tebow is NOT going to get better. So many idiots are saying, give him a chace. HES BEEN ON THE TEAM FOR GOING ON 3 YEARS NOW. They couldn’t teach him in college. Then , even better coaches, couldn’t teach him coming into the NFL. And they haven’t been able to teach him in between every season since. What the hell makes you think , ‘he’ll learn’ this season!

  59. TheWizard says: Mar 18, 2012 2:15 PM

    Manning could legitimately push Tebow out.

    The mid level guys won’t.

  60. mainevent7567 says: Mar 18, 2012 2:16 PM

    @randomguy9999 youre wrong. he started 11 games, not 14. he had 12 passing and 6 rushing td’s. thats 1.6 td’s a game… far cry from your .8

  61. cashisking4life says: Mar 18, 2012 2:19 PM

    This also reminds me that the Elway thinks that he’s a know it all. If he want Peyton Manning so bad, what has he done to sign oline men and wr’s to improve his offense in free agency to show peyton that he wants to win! The 49ers already had good player in the field and they signed mods and Manningham. The titans have been trying to sign oline men. Yeah manning could make his no name wr’s better, but what goin to intice manning to sign. Yes sign me up Elway I can’t wait to pass to demarius Thomas next yr who drops balls. Big deal he made the gaming winning catch against the steelers d. Thomas is still a “c” grade wr. Running game is always banged up. Defense isnt’t going to e as good next yr. the DB’s couldn’t stay healthy all year.

    Peytons going to sf the. Even tenn be4 Denver! The. Elway can eat crow!

  62. mmcdan133 says: Mar 18, 2012 2:20 PM

    Trust me, EVERY fan of the other 3 AFC West teams is rooting for Denver to stay in a suspended state of Tebowmania.

  63. mainevent7567 says: Mar 18, 2012 2:20 PM

    @atrophiedambitions. youre saying… any other QB in the league should have been able to take them to the playoffs? but they hadnt in how long? even after they traded lloyd before tebow was set to start he STILL led them there. after Orton (who is another qb supposedly better) was 1-4. neat huh…

  64. i10east says: Mar 18, 2012 2:21 PM

    What will it take for the stupid “Tebow to Jax” rumors to go away, opening day? We already have Gabbert and Henne as QB’s, so dreamers keep on dreaming.

  65. CKL says: Mar 18, 2012 2:21 PM

    People talk stuff about how BB is tight lipped, unfeeling etc. but this is why YOU DO NOT PROMISE STARTING JOBS TO PEOPLE especially in the media. Things can change quickly, and there’s not enough seasoning in this age of constant and omnipresent media coverage to make your words taste good when you eat them. It’s actually better to be up front with guys and tell them things will play out how they play out than promise them anything about their role.

  66. hammerjacker says: Mar 18, 2012 2:22 PM

    Elway’s always been a arrogant punk, the original Eli Manning. (wah wah, i dont want to play there, if you draft me I wont play) ungrateful, self important d-bag. Paved the way for the cry babies of today. Great career or not, lets not forget how it started.

  67. eggersthejerk says: Mar 18, 2012 2:24 PM

    Weeden will be 29 by the time the season gets going.

    Denver will definitely show everyone they are desperate if they go after him like that.

  68. franklamar17 says: Mar 18, 2012 2:26 PM

    To all the tebow fans,if Denver put tebow on the block you will find out what the other teams think of him and his skills..He want be doing a PM tour

  69. randygnyc says: Mar 18, 2012 2:29 PM

    Bn2me2 said, “It is AMAZING the mediocrity and pathetic ability this NON qb has shown, and some of you wretched people actually see “success” in his failure??? How lame are you?? lol..he’s a NON qb, shouldn’t be in the league as a qb, and would barely make it as a fullback. The games the TEAM won while they were cursed by him as their qb last year were despite him and in NO WAY because of him! The defense rallied together and said we gotta play out of our minds to cover this f’d up decision mgt made to make this punk our qb. When in fact the mgt made the decision to show the world how much he sux! They underestimated the affinity for mediocrity you all have in yourselves and therefore see it in this non qb and followed him like its a cult! Just because you’re pathetic and lame with NO ability doesn’t mean you’re going to turn the league into that! The broncos need to trade this cancer asap, send him to Jville so gabbert and he can compete to destroy the Jags to the point they move to LA, get rid of them both and get a REAL qb, the future of the league type of qb(like Cam or RGIII) in there and watch them do work! But to stay with this punk..is going to prove un watchable and just gauruntee you pick in the type 5 every year until this non qb(I refuse to say his name) is gone!”

    You’re just a hater, boy. The future of NFL quarter backs are going to be black, according to you, right?

  70. drumsomeone says: Mar 18, 2012 2:29 PM

    Tebow showed enough with his throwing last year that he shouldn’t be allowed to throw in another football game, for any team…

  71. thesportgenius says: Mar 18, 2012 2:30 PM

    football2011 says: Mar 18, 2012 1:18 PM

    I am a 20 year Denver resident and Broncoes fan. John Elway has become a bitter, jealous old man. He is so scared that a guy he didn’t draft (Tebow) will succeed and thus dimish Elway’s legacy in Bronco’s lore that he is doing everything he can do to get him out of town.

    I predict he will trade or release Tebow soon and Tebow’s succesor will lay a great big egg in Denver and Elway will be fired and his legacy tarnished.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~

    Uh, No…Tebow just plain sucks as an NFL QB and Elway knows this. Great kid but he can’t throw the ball in the ocean. Why would he go after Manning if he was jealous of someone upstaging him?

  72. donramis says: Mar 18, 2012 2:32 PM

    Trade Tebow to Miami for Matt Moore who’s played under Fox in the past and both did well last year, and both Denver and Miami benefit.

  73. fairweatherfan says: Mar 18, 2012 2:41 PM

    crazybeardedjack says

    Say what you want about Tebow, but he took them from 1-4 to the playoffs and won at Pittsburgh with the same team Orton couldn’t win with.

    ————

    Actually Orton had a better team to play with as he had Brandon “I won’t play with Tebow because he would hurt my stats” Lloyd.

  74. nflofficeadmin says: Mar 18, 2012 2:44 PM

    Nobody could hold it against Tim if he requested a trade at this point.

  75. mrmarcus55 says: Mar 18, 2012 2:47 PM

    Are you ready for Tebow time in the arena league? Lmao.

  76. tinopuno says: Mar 18, 2012 2:52 PM

    redrobots44 says: Mar 18, 2012 12:56 PM

    Tebows the man.ure.
    —————————————————

    FIXED

  77. jonasgrumbyoftx says: Mar 18, 2012 2:55 PM

    Fortunately for Denver, Elway isn’t listening to a handful of nitwit fans.

    None of this is Tebow’s fault. He tries hard (at least it seems so). It’s the fault of those who convinced him he’s an NFL QB.

  78. bigmike7914 says: Mar 18, 2012 2:55 PM

    The teams that care about how they look when they win and not if they won or not are usually the ones that are going to keep losing, sure Tebow isn’t conventional and to be honest that”s what made him successful you cant coach what Tebow has and there aren’t many out there with it and that is his will to win, not caring about how he’s going to win, but getting the win by any means. The Broncos need to stop caring about how it looks and start caring about if they win or not because honestly who has seen Payton Manning in a different system, with different coaching philosophy, and with different personnel, although its been said that the arm is back mentally getting on the same page is a different thing.

  79. atrophiedambitions says: Mar 18, 2012 2:56 PM

    mainevent7567 says:
    Mar 18, 2012 2:20 PM
    @atrophiedambitions. youre saying… any other QB in the league should have been able to take them to the playoffs? but they hadnt in how long? even after they traded lloyd before tebow was set to start he STILL led them there. after Orton (who is another qb supposedly better) was 1-4. neat huh…

    __________________________

    Not necessarily, it was unique situation.

    Tebow forced Fox’s choice to move to basically an all-run offense. That it worked as long as it did is a credit to (1) the offensive coaching staff, (2) Willis McGahee who is one of the most underrated HB’s in the league (3) the offensive line and (4) the defense in that order. Tebow’s role in the Bronco’s success was minimal.

    Besides, this argument you’re making is silly because its PURE correlation without causation. Tebow was a Bronco last year. The Broncos made the playoffs. Ergo, Tebow was the cause. Not sound logic.

    Besides, all you Tebow lovers always want to talk about vague abstractions like the “will to win” and the “clutch factor” but when it comes to a simple discussion of obviously verifiable things (for example, that you can’t bank on a QB in this league that throws well under 50% in most games), you are silent. Defend his throwing motion. His accuracy. His arm strength. You can’t.

    The Bronco’s 3 game slide that had everything to do with with league cracking the code of the Tebow offense could have VERY EASILY cost them the playoffs. Would you be singing the same tune then?

  80. EJ says: Mar 18, 2012 3:00 PM

    If Tebow gets pushed out of the starting job or worse gets traded or released, Invesco Field at Mile High will be an empty stadium. Way too many fans in Colorado have fallen head over heels with Tim Tebow, more so than Elway becoming GM. If Elway wants to make this big move replacing Boy Wonder, he has to prove to a lot of people that his reason to do so is a valid one, not just because he walked into the situation.

    Good luck Mr Elway.

  81. dcrams20 says: Mar 18, 2012 3:20 PM

    randomguy9999 says:
    Mar 18, 2012 1:08 PM
    Elway should kick over every rock he can find cause 123 yards, .8 TDs and 9 completions per game will not get it done….

    ________________________________

    And it’s not just stats. Elway & Co. look at everything – reading defenses, looking off defenders, progressions, accuracy (or lack of) – and on and on. I’m just guessing, but I think Elway knows a whole lot more football than myself or anyone else on this board.

  82. rangenius says: Mar 18, 2012 3:30 PM

    Elway is Matt Millen part deux!

    Elways is the baba booey of the NFL. Horse tooth jackass.

  83. darthhitman says: Mar 18, 2012 3:32 PM

    Elways hats Tebow because Tebow is a man of God while Elways is a Mason

  84. football2011 says: Mar 18, 2012 3:34 PM

    thesportsgenious,

    You missed the point. If Elway brought in Manning and Manning won a Super Bowl, Elway would get credit for signing him thus enhancing his legacy( i.e he could claim to be a great GM as well as a great player).

    However, If Tebow does well for an extended period of time, Elway doesn’t get nearly as much credit since he didn’t draft him.

    This is nothing more than Elway protecting his legacy by sabotaging Tebow.

  85. cuda1234 says: Mar 18, 2012 3:36 PM

    I’m not sure the Dolphins would trade Moore for Tebow at this point. Moore won more games than Timmy last year and he can actually throw a football.

  86. luvyababy says: Mar 18, 2012 3:53 PM

    John is going to be really surprised at the way Tim handles his rejection. He is a Godly young man that is going to love John no matter what descion is made. He’s told in God’s Word to Love even his enemeies in Luke chapter 6. John can’t get away from that. It’s going to be hard for John to back up what he told Tim, in that he would help him in the offseason if things don’t work out with Manning. Either way Tim is praying for John, not just to make the right decsion about which QB but the right decsion about where he’ll spend eternity. No doubt Tim will do as much teaching on that subject as Elway will teach on QBing. It’s so much more important.

  87. mancave001 says: Mar 18, 2012 3:56 PM

    All this talk is covering one basic fact: Elway doesn’t think Tebow is any good. Period. The problem is that he kept winning. Even Lord John Elway cannot make that inconvenient truth go away. So he does what he has to: Appease the Tebowmaniacs and keep his options open.

  88. scrotiemcb says: Mar 18, 2012 4:03 PM

    Elway will be toast in two years. Tebow will be working miracles someplace else, Manning will be fading out, and Denver will be the joke of the league. Denver outright sucks at atleast five positions, but the fair haired duke decided to gamble it all on a long shot…

    Amature hour persists in Denver.

  89. eaglebranded says: Mar 18, 2012 4:05 PM

    I thought football was about skills not who sell the most tickets because of their upbringing. I see I was wrong and evidently so is John Elway.

  90. luvyababy says: Mar 18, 2012 4:13 PM

    Oh, Let’s not forget to remind John of 1983 when he went 123 for 259 for 1663 Yds 7 TDS and 14 INTS 47.5% and compared to some of the best in the game only a 56.9% career mark, 60 plus QBs ahead of him in that catagory. Also let’s not forget about Terry Bradshaw’s awful start and where he ended up. Let’s really discuss why so many people want to kick Tim to the curb. Look into your Heart to see that.

  91. luvyababy says: Mar 18, 2012 4:15 PM

    Oh by the way, I’m Tim’s long lost brother, we have the same Father but not the same Mother.

  92. slickmarine says: Mar 18, 2012 4:17 PM

    randomguy9999 says:Mar 18, 2012 1:08 PM

    Elway should kick over every rock he can find cause 123 yards, .8 TDs and 9 completions per game will not get it done….

    _____

    Actually, Randomguy, it DID get it done. You are aware that Denver was 1-4 before Tebow…. then he brought a spark that took ‘em to the playoffs.

  93. maddenisfordorks says: Mar 18, 2012 4:19 PM

    They could send him to Jax along with the 1st round picks for 2012 and 2013 – that would be fair.

  94. eaglebranded says: Mar 18, 2012 4:20 PM

    Randygync says: better yet f… What he says that boy statement keep to yourself Tebow is trash and because that man mentioned two black quaterbacks you say that . Shows where your mind and heart really is ignorant. Be a man and except the fact Elway saw what everyone else did with Tebow . He has a lot to learn and if you are trying to win in this league and keep your job . The QB is going to make or break you period no matter what color he is a..wipe.

  95. wicky888 says: Mar 18, 2012 4:20 PM

    Give the guy a break man, it was his first year starting. He did okay (had some awful moments but every rookie does. Look at this way, his pocket passing can get better

  96. revansrevenant says: Mar 18, 2012 4:22 PM

    I don’t know why you would want to sign Peyton Manning in the first place. He’s old, he’s coming off a severe injury, and he’s going to cost an arm and a leg. There’s a significant chance that if you sign him, that he gets hit in the first game of the season, he hurts his neck again, and that’s all she wrote. But that’s just me. I’m what they call frugal.

  97. etoharin78 says: Mar 18, 2012 4:27 PM

    True Broncos fans want to win, and would support whomever leads the team to wins. This is why Tebow received so much support, from me as well as “Tebowmaniacs” after Orton led the team to so many losses, regardless if they were his fault or not. I myself am not a “Tebowmaniac”. Too many people lump these crazed Tebow fans in with Bronco fans. They are NOT one in the same. As far as Fox saying he wants to bring in 2 QBs to compete, well, no kidding. Tebow is the only QB under contract for the Broncos right now and by time training camp opens at least 2 if not 3 more will be in camp.

  98. johnnyb216 says: Mar 18, 2012 4:29 PM

    Only a matter of time before Ari Fleischer has another mess to clean up

  99. eaglebranded says: Mar 18, 2012 4:29 PM

    Also I put ync ,because I feel you can’t represent New York with that comment chump.

  100. danthemanhsv says: Mar 18, 2012 4:31 PM

    John Elway = Sara Jessica Parker ( Horse Face ) just stop being sneaky and get rid of Tebow if you don’t want him. Stop the backroom deals ( which are public you idiot, because you release them ) and man up and say Tim is our QB or he is not. As a Broncos fan I am tired of the back and forth. I have had season tickets for 15 years and I must tell you John.. I am not impressed by you or your lousy steak house. Just look at what Jordan does for the Bobcats in the NBA. Can’t judge talent. You are the Jordan of the NFL. Not saying Tebow is the man, however I am saying as a season ticket holder for 15 years I like my leaders to make a choice, quickly, and decisively and not make sneaky backroom deals that are inconsistant with what you say you stand for. ( Charecter and prfoessionalism) The backroom deals inpact the team and make and the players seem they can’t trust your word.

  101. essentialsausage says: Mar 18, 2012 4:32 PM

    It’s ridiculous that Matt Flynn is in a position to pick and choose teams. QB talent must be really low in the NFL.

  102. jjbadd says: Mar 18, 2012 4:35 PM

    Here is my final opinion. I love the Broncos, and I am going to be pulling for them opening day. As for Manning, I am not completely supportive of signing him. Yes he is better than Tebow, but is only a temporary solution. As for Tebow, I think this year is his year to prove himself, if not, whether I am a supporter or not, and I am, it will be time to move on. One thing I’m sure of, hell no to Hasslebeck or Alex Smith. If we play Tebow and he succeeds,problem solved, if not, there is a couple qb coming out next draft…

  103. abninf says: Mar 18, 2012 4:35 PM

    The host of the show then asked Khan if he would have drafted Tim Tebow. “100 percent I would have. Absolutely,” Khan said. “The first Jaguars game I came to was in ’10, we played Denver here. There were a lot more Tebow jerseys in the Jaguars stands than the teal jerseys for any player, let’s face it. You hate to get into 20/20 hindsight and finger pointing, but certainly if I had anything to do with it. We probably won’t have a chance like that again.”

  104. slickmarine says: Mar 18, 2012 4:50 PM

    atrophiedambitions says:Mar 18, 2012 2:56 PM

    Not necessarily, it was unique situation.

    Tebow forced Fox’s choice to move to basically an all-run offense. That it worked as long as it did is a credit to (1) the offensive coaching staff, (2) Willis McGahee who is one of the most underrated HB’s in the league (3) the offensive line and (4) the defense in that order. Tebow’s role in the Bronco’s success was minimal.

    ___

    Minimal? Where were you last year? McGahee may be underrated, but he sure wasn’t productive. I saw him crash and burn in a couple of games (you WERE watching the games, right, stat rat?). What about the game-winning run against the Jets? You DID see that, right? No? Well, you should have… Tebow’s contribution was more than minimal. And not just in stats; in important things like leadership. His ability to inspire. All you have to do is listen to and watch his teammates reaction. Of course, if you’ve never actually PLAYED the game, you wouldn’t understand.

  105. pappert says: Mar 18, 2012 5:03 PM

    Elway is always putting Tebow down but I think Elway forgets Tebow doesnt have Terrell Davis(at the time one of the best RB’s in the game) Rod Smith Or Ed Mccaffrey.. Not to mention Crazy Bill Romanowski to help him out on the otherside of the ball. The broncos secondary is old but with the good pass rushers they do have they can salvage a poor secondary.

    Look for the broncos to beat all the bad teams and steal one or two from a good team.. Thats the best they can do..Im a hugee Mcgahee fan but theres no way in hell he can carry the Rushing load on his own. Even with Tebow..

    That is all football Gods

  106. truthassassin says: Mar 18, 2012 5:12 PM

    This is crazy… the kid led them to the playoffs and legit beat the Steelers… I almost feel like the Broncos should just trade Tebow and save us all from having to read these articles… We all know everyone in Jacksonville would love to pair him with MJD…

  107. andyreidisfat says: Mar 18, 2012 5:30 PM

    Bottom line is tebow should be cut now, not traded. Elway doesn’t want to build a team around a guy like tebow and that’s fine. He should just say so and move on.

    Oh and another thing, quoting tebows stats and saying ” ain’t Gonna get it done” has to stop. The guy’s team went from 1-4 to the second round of the playoffs, that’s “getting it done”.

    Personally I would not want tebow on my team, but I do see a way to build a team around him that you can win with. In fact the 49ers could win right now with tebow. If Denver wasn’t so busy trying to get 36 year old with a broken freakin neck who’s a big stats guy but only has one ring and had frequently choked in big games, perhaps they may have gone out and signed a dominate te or loaded up on defense and running backs who stay mostly healthy. This way they may have had a chance to win.

    I fear for broncos fans that manning is going to San Fran and tebow is going to demand a trade ( as he should)

  108. zonedogz says: Mar 18, 2012 5:58 PM

    Manning to Titans.
    Hasselbeck to Browns.
    Tebow to Bills for 4th round pick to back up Fitzpatrick.

  109. dhillca says: Mar 18, 2012 9:05 PM

    PM to niners
    Smith to Miami

  110. meytonpanning says: Mar 18, 2012 10:48 PM

    If they got Peyton, and traded Tebow for Gabbert… Then you’d have a great quarterback for years who could help develop Gabbert.

    Too bad that won’t happen though.

  111. cmpenny says: Mar 18, 2012 11:55 PM

    I just don’t get it. What the hell is Elway’s problem with Tebow? That man brought a division title back to Denver, and took them to the playoffs. Elway is an ungrateful little man who has no business being in the position he is in with Denver.

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