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Manning’s deal is done: five years, $96 million

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There was no glitch.  No last-minute curveball.  No monkey wrench in the gears.

The Broncos and quarterback Peyton Manning have agreed to terms on a five-year, $96 million contract, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN.

Missing from Schefter’s report is the all-important “G” word.

There’s no mention of guaranteed money, which makes it impossible for now to determine the real value of the deal.  And, let’s face it, if there was significant guaranteed money in the deal, whoever leaked the info to Schefter would have included that fact.

In the end, it could be another one-year “prove it” deal, with a modest base salary, incentives based on playing time or other factors, and a mammoth balloon payment due in 2013.  The deal also could have a ridiculously high fifth-year base salary that he’ll never earn.

Eventually, the true numbers will come out.  For now, it’s safe to say the Broncos ultimately won’t be paying Peyton $96 million over five years.

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  1. truthfactory says: Mar 20, 2012 11:21 AM

    Newsflash: Top QBs are getting PAID! Bash them all you want, but look at the SB QBs over the past decade. Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Rothlesburger, E. Manning… Thats it! You want a SB, you need a QB!

    EVERY ONE of these guys are maxing out their contracts…. because they are worth it! If your team wants a SB, you need a QB, and they justify their ludicrous salaries more than any other position.

  2. The Unlikely Expat says: Mar 20, 2012 11:23 AM

    I would still put the over/under on Manning’s remaining time at two years. You still don’t know how he’s going to hold up after getting hit.

  3. skipbayless says: Mar 20, 2012 11:23 AM

    Good for the Broncos. Still gonna be weird seeing Peyton in a different shade blue. I Hope he gets one more ring honestly, just because he is Peyton Manning.

  4. glac1 says: Mar 20, 2012 11:23 AM

    96 million for a 35 year old coming off several neck surgeries… They better have a “legit” backup ready to play.

  5. bearsrulepackdrool says: Mar 20, 2012 11:23 AM

    R.I.P. Tebowmania

  6. rip4gehrig says: Mar 20, 2012 11:23 AM

    Thats it? Just 96 million, how the hell is he going to feed his childeren?

  7. Nevis says: Mar 20, 2012 11:23 AM

    Money says they gave him a small stake in the team as well.

  8. drewsylvania says: Mar 20, 2012 11:24 AM

    Uh, the guaranteed money amount will be news regardless of how much money it is.

  9. agelardi says: Mar 20, 2012 11:24 AM

    I guess Alex Smith is going to stay with CAA then.

  10. apooster says: Mar 20, 2012 11:24 AM

    Broncos aren’t stupid. No way you throw 20-40 million guaranteed at Peyton. Let him prove it this year, and pay him big bucks the consequent years.

  11. dolphins4 says: Mar 20, 2012 11:25 AM

    They should bring Vince Young to back him up.

  12. specialteamsposter says: Mar 20, 2012 11:26 AM

    Do you know how many fries I have to salt to make that kind of money?

  13. cali49er707 says: Mar 20, 2012 11:26 AM

    with that type of money, he will definitely have the money to order & customize his own superbowl ring because it ain’t happening in denver QUIT PUMPING YOUR HEAD UP BRONCO FAN its not happening with that roster,and u can say im hating but true knowledgeable football fan could easily see it wont!!!

  14. samoan1 says: Mar 20, 2012 11:26 AM

    I think he’ll be lucky to make it 2 or 3 yrs. Still don’t think the Donkeys will make the Superbowl just cuz they got Manning.

  15. homelanddefense says: Mar 20, 2012 11:27 AM

    there shouldnt have been any doubt that he would be the highest paid QB in the league, he wouldnt have it any other way

  16. countsnail says: Mar 20, 2012 11:27 AM

    Seeing Peyton playing for Denver will be really, really weird. Like “Joe Montana in a Chiefs Uniform” weird.

    At any rate, it’s going be cool to watch two elite QBs (Manning and Elway) work together to restore an NFL franchise.

  17. flash1283 says: Mar 20, 2012 11:27 AM

    That’s a lot of money for below 500 playoff quarterback!

  18. jaltreality says: Mar 20, 2012 11:27 AM

    Not a Broncos fan, a Colts fan… just a football fan. Can’t wait to see Manning play again. Truly a master of his craft.

  19. rollteal says: Mar 20, 2012 11:27 AM

    B!tch

  20. billsfan27 says: Mar 20, 2012 11:28 AM

    Goodbye Tim. Denver’s sure gonna miss those five-yard bombs.

  21. kenny328usa says: Mar 20, 2012 11:28 AM

    They do have a legit backup. Tim Teb….oh wait a minute forget it

  22. thraiderskin says: Mar 20, 2012 11:28 AM

    what’s with the FIRST entry? no one even had a chance to blow up over the numbers. Nice preemptive strike, all I will say about it, it’s Payton Manning.

  23. bearsrulepackdrool says: Mar 20, 2012 11:29 AM

    Tebow 3:16: I need a job.

  24. iplaybad says: Mar 20, 2012 11:29 AM

    I’m thinking that there’ll be a big guarantee that’ll be prorated over the course of the contract to enable to Broncos to sign some FA’s hanging out there AND Mike Wallace. The Salary Cap is going to be huge next year. The Broncos have a fantastic opportunity to field a sweet team around Manning right now.

  25. trojan33sc says: Mar 20, 2012 11:29 AM

    I’d hate to have the pressure of the O-Line knowing that one slip allowing a crushing blow to Peyton finds him “sucking soup” through a straw !! Here’s to Peyton staying upright. Having 4 neck surgeries then going back to playing in the NFL takes “stones” !

  26. mrplow3 says: Mar 20, 2012 11:30 AM

    Honestly I think this deal had more to do with Tebow than it did Manning:

    Think about it:

    After all the wins Tebow ripped off last season there was no way in hell Elway could get rid of this kid without total fan outrage…..

    …unless…..

    You bring in one of the greatest QB’s of all time.

    Manning, Brady, or Rodgers are probably the only three names that could have been brought in to silence angry fans.

    Can you imagine if Elway bright in Campbell or Flynn? The outrage would be legendary.

    96 million was the proce to get rid of a style of QB you want nothing to do with.

    I just wish Elway was silent rather than lying all offseason about “Timmy is our starter next year”, but besides that I totally get it.

  27. clintonportisheadd says: Mar 20, 2012 11:31 AM

    If they gave him anything BUT a contract that was 90% incentive/results based then it was a very stupid move.

    His contract should pay him a vets minimum if he couldn’t make it out of training camp up to 15 million if he produces a Super Bowl Trophy.

  28. kenny328usa says: Mar 20, 2012 11:33 AM

    Humor is not allowed on this or any other board from any bills fan. You guy suck horribly even with mario williams

  29. golfnutt67 says: Mar 20, 2012 11:35 AM

    So in the end I guess it was about the $$$$$……well its great move for Denver getting him we will have to see how the contract is written to truly know if its a good or bad deal. These numbers being reported seem nuts.

  30. raiderlyfe510 says: Mar 20, 2012 11:35 AM

    Peyton is going to learn quick that there are no Matt Schaubs, Vince Youngs, or Gerrard’s in this division.

    This is AFC West football, and at 36 years of age, and one good hit away from retirement, he’s the 3rd best QB in this division, playing for the least talented team.

    AFC WEST FOOTBALL….BRING YOUR BIG BOY PADS.

  31. drumsomeone says: Mar 20, 2012 11:35 AM

    New England and Denver trade Tebow and Mallet, straight up, sounds fair?

  32. soforizo says: Mar 20, 2012 11:36 AM

    Brees actually played and set records, and he can’t be paid. Messed up.

  33. nypd1056 says: Mar 20, 2012 11:36 AM

    Hey truthfactory, you forgot Brady

  34. myeaglescantwin says: Mar 20, 2012 11:36 AM

    I honestly think this is the biggest mistake the Broncos have made.

    I just cant trust a 36 year old QB that has had his neck fused together.. I fear that one big hit could be the end of this man..

    I also fear that the refs are going to have the flags in hand just in case anyone touches Manning..

    honestly, best of luck to Peyton.. But i feel Denver was quite foolish here especially if the “G” word represents more than half of that contract.

  35. weepingjebus says: Mar 20, 2012 11:37 AM

    Whew, glad it’s over. The game hasn’t been the same without Peyton to beat every year.

  36. mrclaytonbigsby says: Mar 20, 2012 11:38 AM

    Remember this PFT?

    “Sorry, folks, but we remain very skeptical about this. Elway is getting the job without paying the dues. Watching film with his father and running an AFL franchise isn’t the kind of experience necessary to run an NFL team, and it’s sort of an insult to the men who have earned their stripes by grinding for years, learning the business from the bottom up and earning each next rung on the ladder.”

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/05/broncos-give-the-keys-to-john-elway/

  37. youdownwithjpp says: Mar 20, 2012 11:40 AM

    The NFL will NOT be happy with Tebow not starting, he is their ratings cash cow.

    I’m sure Roger will find an unfortunate team to dump him on to.

    Giants fan here, but I’m excited to watch this improved Broncos team.a

  38. billsin20xx says: Mar 20, 2012 11:42 AM

    Baloney that it’s a ‘prove it’ deal, I’ll bet he got at least the $23M up front the Colts were to give him.

  39. db105 says: Mar 20, 2012 11:42 AM

    This will set the Broncos back a few years.

  40. bigvinnyinjax says: Mar 20, 2012 11:43 AM

    I love Manning, but I hope this blows up in Elways fat face.

  41. hendawg21 says: Mar 20, 2012 11:43 AM

    Who cares this is like Brett Favre part deux…enough Manning news already…boy can’t wait until the draft and the season etc., because these slow sports news days are getting old with the same old same old…

  42. zampft says: Mar 20, 2012 11:44 AM

    w/o guaranteed money of some kind, he could have just restructured with the Colts and saved us all a whole lotta time…

  43. rc33 says: Mar 20, 2012 11:46 AM

    nypd1056 says: Mar 20, 2012 11:36 AM

    Hey truthfactory, you forgot Brady-
    ——————————–

    99.9% sure that was deliberate.
    Ever notice anything with the word “truth” in it never is?
    By now, you’d hope people would be smart enough to understand that.
    ….snake eyes on that roll.

  44. contract says: Mar 20, 2012 11:46 AM

    That’s a whole lot of money just to run Tim Tebow out of town.

  45. 1historian says: Mar 20, 2012 11:47 AM

    One big hit and he’s wheelchair bound.

    If he lasts 1 year I’ll be surprised.

  46. kenny328usa says: Mar 20, 2012 11:48 AM

    23 million up front would still be somewhat of a “prove it deal” at 19 per that only guarantees him just over a year

  47. jamaltimore says: Mar 20, 2012 11:49 AM

    Yea it’s not about money Peyton.. I really hope this whole thing flops. Not that I want peyton to get hurt but I want Elway to look like the overrated clown that he is! He thought he could manipulate the system when he refused the Colts and now he’s done the same thing to get rid of Tebow.

    Can’t wait to boo when the come to Baltimore!

  48. jgava19 says: Mar 20, 2012 11:50 AM

    Outside of the AFC west look who he has to face. Houston, Balt, Pitt, Cinn, Pats, bounty hunter Saints. Good luck with that.

  49. AlohaMrHand says: Mar 20, 2012 11:53 AM

    Whats that about 20 million a neck surgery?

  50. 7pints says: Mar 20, 2012 11:54 AM

    The real question is has raiderlyfe510 solidified himself as the biggest idiot Jokeland fan posting to this sight. For my money I say yes, but there is some really stiff competition out there!

  51. fleeocca says: Mar 20, 2012 11:57 AM

    All you dorks bashing Manning for taking the money, and saying he’s only about the money not winning championships, are IDIOTS. He would have gotten paid the SAME amount with any other team he picked! How you don’t realize that is beyond me, but whether he signed with the 49rs, the Titans, the Dolphins, or the Cardinals, they all would have paid him the same amount!! We all know your just jelous he’s not coming to your town and your stuck with Smith, Kolb, or Matt Moore. Haha, Get Over It!!

  52. vaphinfan says: Mar 20, 2012 11:58 AM

    Now that the broncos have Manning, Mark Schlarth will never shut up about them.

  53. str8up12 says: Mar 20, 2012 11:59 AM

    Small price to pay to rid yourself of Tebow.

  54. inbillwetrust says: Mar 20, 2012 12:02 PM

    i hope andrew luck shats himself and irsay being a loud mouth idiot is confirmed

  55. dwoofer says: Mar 20, 2012 12:03 PM

    Mr.Plow3:
    I was thinking the same thing. Denver did not like Tebow’s MESSAGE — how can the NFL sell so much beer if the QB keeps talking about Jesus Christ all the time? I mean, hey, what’s more important here? A good man and role model, or beer $$ ??
    Would not be surprised if the same logic does not apply to where Tebow goes. If they supplant him in Denver with a QB nobody can object to to get rid of him, why not put him on a team where nobody could object to him sitting the bench: enter New England, where there could not possibly be anyone who would insist Tebow displace Brady.

  56. duece5 says: Mar 20, 2012 12:03 PM

    raiderlyfe510 says:Mar 20, 2012 11:35 AM

    Peyton is going to learn quick that there are no Matt Schaubs, Vince Youngs, or Gerrard’s in this division.

    This is AFC West football, and at 36 years of age, and one good hit away from retirement, he’s the 3rd best QB in this division, playing for the least talented team.

    AFC WEST FOOTBALL….BRING YOUR BIG BOY PADS

    duece 5 says:

    You are as senile as the late Al Davis with that remark……not a bronco fan or Colts fan here.

    Manning will be better than the inconsistent Rivers, and only God knows, I assume YOU think Carson Palmer is better than Manning.

    You need your medication……

    Manning will embarass the raiduhz twice a year…..

  57. raiderlyfe510 says: Mar 20, 2012 12:04 PM

    I know the Donkies better than anybody. That team is SERIOUSLY flawed. The only reason why they made the playoffs is because they had a QB that could run for his life and a gimmick offense the league wasn’t used to yet.

    It’s a aging squad with two good edge rushers. A pocket passer like Kyle Orton couldn’t win there, neither will Peyton. The Donkies that Tom Brady absolutely dismantled in the post season are the real Donkies. Same thing will happen next year.

  58. fullerman says: Mar 20, 2012 12:06 PM

    Peyton is good, but the Jack@ss ‘s are still a wildcard team at best…no wideouts, rb are plodders no breakaway speed at any position. this is a mistake…he shouldve taken the Titans..CJ is much better than anything the broncos have except for TEEBOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

  59. jimmysee says: Mar 20, 2012 12:07 PM

    Mike — the last paragraph of your story actually should read:

    “Eventually, the true numbers will come out. For now, it’s safe to say nobody except Peyton believes the Broncos will be paying Peyton $96 million over five years.”

  60. rc33 says: Mar 20, 2012 12:14 PM

    I don’t believe this is gonna “blow up” in the Broncos face I just think it’s not gonna bring the desired results.
    Denver essentially has a 3-year window to win a Super Bowl.
    Not get to a Super Bowl.
    Peyton got to two in 14 seasons when he was PEYTON MANNING.
    Goes without saying these “win now” scenarios are difficult. Reminds me of the the situation the Celtics were in when they picked up Garnett and Allen.

  61. yssupasigninnamnotyep says: Mar 20, 2012 12:18 PM

    Lotta dough for a couple 8-8 seasons…can’t wait until Donkeyville is once again in the crapper.

    The most delusional franchise in all of sports.

  62. aces79 says: Mar 20, 2012 12:22 PM

    Greedy guy only in for the money doesnt wanna win i take it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  63. ernie ernie says: Mar 20, 2012 12:25 PM

    The niners should have know he wasn’t going to go to any NFC team and compete against his brother.
    Especially if it means stopping brother from another super bowl appearance.
    He never was going to an NFC team. This way he can possibly face his brother in a super bowl but at least they both would get to go.

  64. buffalomafia says: Mar 20, 2012 12:29 PM

    If Manning has any kind of metal in his neck and gets hit hard enough then his career & life could be over.

    Hope if he stays healthy he gets another ring!

  65. rip4gehrig says: Mar 20, 2012 12:30 PM

    I guess Drew Brees wants 30 mil now

  66. briang123 says: Mar 20, 2012 12:31 PM

    Funny how $96 million immediately got the attention of a guy that didn’t care about the money and wanted to play in the best situation for him. This is going to go badly.

  67. cali49er707 says: Mar 20, 2012 12:34 PM

    fleeocca says:
    Mar 20, 2012 11:57 AM
    All you dorks bashing Manning for taking the money, and saying he’s only about the money not winning championships, are IDIOTS. He would have gotten paid the SAME amount with any other team he picked! How you don’t realize that is beyond me, but whether he signed with the 49rs, the Titans, the Dolphins, or the Cardinals, they all would have paid him the same amount!! We all know your just jelous he’s not coming to your town and your stuck with Smith, Kolb, or Matt Moore. Haha, Get Over It!!

    your right he wanted to go to a team where he could have free range over play calling & personnel, nothing wrong with that, that is his decision, hence you hear of possibly jeff saturday going there, so good luck with not only paying him but, catering to his wants & needs, something that the 9ers brass or tians probably didn’t want to do nobody jealous buddy life goes on, he doesn’t pay anybodys bills here!!

  68. Steeler's Will says: Mar 20, 2012 12:40 PM

    Congrats Denver! Exciting times for a Denver fan, between an amazing run with Tebow last year and now one of the best, arguably THE best QB’s of our time.

  69. shaggyjeff says: Mar 20, 2012 12:44 PM

    hope they have a good back up Qb. Manning should just WALK off into the sunset, while he can, smh.

  70. randomguy9999 says: Mar 20, 2012 12:48 PM

    no matter all this wishful thinking…. Peyton didn’t sign without getting some major guarantees for pay… think at least 25M by the end of this season….

    he’s NOT a journeyman who needs to prove he ‘s got it… if he didn’t get a suitcase of benji’s the Niners or someone else would have given him one….

  71. brtdud7 says: Mar 20, 2012 12:56 PM

    So if he gets 96 million after not playing for a season, Alex Smith will get like $110 million for going to the NFCCG game right?

  72. trollhammer20 says: Mar 20, 2012 12:57 PM

    cali49er707 says:Mar 20, 2012 11:26 AM

    with that type of money, he will definitely have the money to order & customize his own superbowl ring because it ain’t happening in denver QUIT PUMPING YOUR HEAD UP BRONCO FAN its not happening with that roster,and u can say im hating but true knowledgeable football fan could easily see it wont!!!
    ________________________________

    Niner fan tears must taste like candy to Denver fans. First, the whining when Miller won the DROY over Smith. Now, the crying when Manning chose to sign with Denver. Coming up next: The howls of agony when Wallace picks Denver, too.

    The only thing that could be better than my team winning the SB would be Denver beating the Niners in the Big Show.

  73. villa41 says: Mar 20, 2012 12:57 PM

    The comments about the Broncos being seriously flawed are absolutely true. On defense, the team has two good pass rushers in Miller and Dumervill and that’s about it. All this talk about a strong Denver defense is nonsense. The Denver D was 20th in yards allowed and 24th in points. An that was with an offense protecting it by running the ball more than anyone in the league and eating up the clock. You think Denver is going to be number one in the league again running the ball again? I doubt it. They didn’t bring Manning in to hand the ball off 70% of the time.

    And when Manning does throw, he is going to do it behind a subpar O line that got abused when it was running the type of conventional offense Denver will now go to once again with Manning. Go ahead and bring in Manning’s old buddies (Saturday, Clark, Stokley) too. Do these guys have anything left? I doubt much. They all have been injured just like Manning. That’s a lot of faith by the Broncos to build your team around Manning with a bunch of guys who haven’t played because of significant injuries. The more you really look at this you see this is a disaster waiting to happen. The Broncos just don’t have the team now nor will they in the near future that Manning is used to, and by the time Denver builds the team Manning really wants he will be pushing 40. Good luck with that.

  74. homelanddefense says: Mar 20, 2012 12:59 PM

    flash1283 says: Mar 20, 2012 11:27 AM

    That’s a lot of money for below 500 playoff quarterback!

    _____________________

    he is actually below .500. He is 9-10.

  75. EJ says: Mar 20, 2012 1:05 PM

    kenny328usa says:
    Mar 20, 2012 11:33 AM
    Humor is not allowed on this or any other board from any bills fan. You guy suck horribly even with mario williams

    Its posters like you that ruin this wonderful site. PFT is one of the best websites out there for information on anything NFL, but the fact that fans have to deal with things said like “You suck” sure take this site down a notch or two from where it should be. Posting is available for funny comments, sharing your side of things or more information on something the site may have missed, not “You Suck.” Its too bad there isn’t a way to rid of that garbage. Go Bills!!!! #BillsMafia #BillsNation

  76. radrntn says: Mar 20, 2012 1:10 PM

    way to much

  77. hendawg21 says: Mar 20, 2012 1:28 PM

    Well all I can say is glad it wasn’t my team that signed him because all they’d be saying is we overpaid for another veteran player who’s better days have passed him by…that being said i’d like to take a moment and say before Manning’s injury ended season of last year you could see that father time had started to show on him, yes he was still an above average QB and I don’t think there is another super bowl in his future.

    And there seems to be this belief that all will be well in Denver now that they have Peyton almighty…I’m not so sure Tebow didn’t do all that running because he wanted to granted he’s no Manning but I think there were a lot of break downs in the O-line and teams sat back in coverage hoping he’d run…this may be easier on defenses now as they know where Peyton will be as opposed to Tebow…again I don’t see this as a Super Bowl solution for Denver KC tried it with Montana for one and look at all the other greats who left their original teams that had no luck at the next stop!!!!

    Now back to my team I can still hear the voices saying what a bad move it would’ve been had we signed Peyton oh they overpaid, they continue pick up other teams has beens to try and win now…well not this time, this year is it us…

  78. peytonsneck18 says: Mar 20, 2012 1:30 PM

    John elway job is on the line after this signing, broncos arent going anywhere, Peyton is damaged goods!!

  79. cali49er707 says: Mar 20, 2012 1:31 PM

    @TROLLBANGER20
    Niner fan tears must taste like candy to Denver fans. First, the whining when Miller won the DROY over Smith. Now, the crying when Manning chose to sign with Denver. Coming up next: The howls of agony when Wallace picks Denver, too.

    The only thing that could be better than my team winning the SB would be Denver beating the Niners in the Big Show.

    put the blunt down u hopeless seacawks fan because, you aint winning shnit & either are they!!!!!

  80. eessppnn says: Mar 20, 2012 1:32 PM

    This will be more defining for Elways legacy than PM.
    But also showing Peyton’s still feels insecure about Brady by having to make his average per year is funny.
    Should have gone NFC ! AFC is the Pats for the next 3 yrs!

  81. bigal1952 says: Mar 20, 2012 2:15 PM

    ESPN is reporting that Manning will be paid $18 million in 2012.

    “He get paid $20 million in both the 2013 and ’14 seasons if he passes a team physical to be given 10 days before the start of the 2013 league year. There is an injury waiver included in the contract, however, covering Manning’s surgically repaired neck. If he re-injures the neck during the 2013 season, the Broncos will not have to pay his 2014 salary. He is scheduled to make $19 million in both ’15 and ’16, but must pass a physical before each league year.” Andrew Brandt, ESPN.

  82. robertunsoberirish says: Mar 20, 2012 2:21 PM

    Typical Jokeland Fader fans talking sh!t and stinking up another site. The tears and endless whining from all of the envious fans of teams with ignorant and gutless front offices don’t taste like candy…they taste like a 20 year old scotch served along side a 32 oz. porterhouse served by the barebreasted captain of their team’s cheerleading squad! DELICIOUS!

  83. vetdana says: Mar 20, 2012 2:27 PM

    Thats it? Just 96 million, how the hell is he going to feed his children?..Hand me downs !!!

    Archie…to ..Peyton…To little Eli…destitute family with great needs…send checks to …….LOL

  84. deconjonesbitchslap says: Mar 20, 2012 2:27 PM

    in 1 day, Manning managed to gut out another million dollars in the contract.

    i’ll be lucky if i get a 25 cent raise in the next 5 years.

  85. orbearider66 says: Mar 20, 2012 2:32 PM

    I just keep hearing Howard Cosell’s voice saying “Down goes Manning! Down goes Manning!”

  86. theytukrjobs says: Mar 20, 2012 4:04 PM

    People always say you need a great QB to win a superbowl. But those same people refuse to consider a QB as great until he wins a superbowl. I’ve always thought that was a retarded way of thinking.

    Eli Manning has two rings and everyone calls him elite now. But his career stats are pretty unremarkable. Other than blowing out the Packers twice in Lambeau, every game they played during those runs were really close if I recall. Giants get a few bad bounces and Eli Manning is a nobody and people are pointing at him as one of those QB’s that aren’t good enough to win it all. Same with Big Ben.

    Yes it really helps to have an elite QB. But it isn’t totally required. And once your guy wins one or two, he goes from average to elite no matter what kind of numbers he puts up.

  87. harbaughbeastmode says: Mar 20, 2012 4:05 PM

    I’m pretty sure that’s enough to find a compfy chair to spend the rest of his life in

  88. detroitcityryda says: Mar 20, 2012 11:46 PM

    Denver will be good for year or two then Peyton will fall off and they will release him .

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