Bengals’ Chris Crocker glad to see “dirty player” Hines Ward retire

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Bengals safety Chris Crocker will not be sending a bouquet to longtime Steelers receiver Hines Ward, who announced his retirement on Tuesday.

Crocker played against Ward many times and told Bengals.com that he doesn’t appreciate the way Ward would blindside vulnerable opponents with hard hits that go beyond the bounds of fair play.

He tried to end people’s careers and that’s not the way the game is supposed to be played,” Crocker said.

Crocker said Ward punched him in the face during a 2009 game, and many Bengals still have animosity toward Ward for the brutal block he laid on Cincinnati linebacker Keith Rivers in 2008, breaking Rivers’ jaw.

“Stuff like that, it’s just not right,” Crocker said. “And I’m not the only guy that thinks it.”

Having said all that, Crocker says Ward is one of the best receivers he ever played against and should be inducted in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

“He’s probably the first receiver to make blocking such a big part of his game; he was an all-around receiver,” Crocker said. “He was a dirty player, but he made a lot of plays. They used him perfectly to suit his abilities and he was a big-time player for them. Some people might think of him as a borderline Hall of Famer, but I think the fact he helped them win two Super Bowls and all the things he did for that team make him deserving.”

A player can be great and dirty, and in Crocker’s view, Ward was both.

140 responses to “Bengals’ Chris Crocker glad to see “dirty player” Hines Ward retire

  1. Ward was a cheap shot artist. He perfected the art of making a cheap shot look like a legal hit.

  2. Pretty much sums up Hines Ward career. Dirty. Never really got his clock cleaned in the right, jaw-breaking way. Does not deserve HOF. Won’t make it.
    Really got sick of his cheap shots. He kinda quit that since Roger laid down the law. Had to secure that Dancing Stars thang.
    Here’s a loogie for ya, Hines.

  3. I love Ward! I havent seen an offensive player put fear in defenses like this ever. He always delivered the 1st blow and had opposing defensive players head on a swivel. He still went across the middle and never short handed a ball in fear of impact. He was a leader of men! He will be missed!!

  4. cbass59 says: Mar 21, 2012 6:49 AM

    There’s no crying in football.

    _________________________________________________

    Except for when fumbling in the playoffs.

    Or at press conferences announcing your retirement.

  5. Click on the link and watch the Rivers block that everyone points to as beyond dirty. It is at the point of attack and springs the tight end for extra yards. The only thing that makes it unusual is that it was a WR blocking a LB.

  6. Props to crocker, able to see both sides of it……and i agree with him 100%, Ward should be in the hall of fame, but i dont stand for the way he plays…..especially now-a-days, if a defensive player hit an offensive player like that, he’d be fined, suspended, 15 yard pentalty.

  7. Wards block on rivers was no different than what you see during punt returns every game. Rivers got injured because of the way his head bounced off the ground, not because of the hit.

  8. The only people who aren’t happy to see Whines Hard retire or who think he wasn’t a dirty player are the koolaid drinking Steeler fans.

    But rational people know better.

  9. I don’t particularly care for either team, but I find an inmate at the Paul Brown Stadium branch of the Hamilton county, OH Department of Corrctions calling out anyone else for being dirty hilarious.

  10. Credit to Crock for at least voicing his stance UNanonymously. Props to Crocker for that.

    Having said that, it blows my mind that so many defensive players are aghast when getting lit up in vulnerable positions ………… the exact kind of opp they’re BEGGING to take advantage of against an offensive player.

    WR extends over the middle: lights out shot comin’ – kiss his butt goodbye.

    RB fights off tacklers struggling and surging for extra yardage: uh oh, better plan on a new rib cage.

    QB going through his progressions with attention focused downfield: detonate on his ass and put him in a body bag.

    But …….. oh lawdy ……… you can never hit a defensive player in a vulnerable position. That’s just not right. How awful it is when the offensive players reverse the roles.

    I call B.S. on that. Football isn’t for cupcakes.

    LOVE HINESY — guy was a TRUE football player. Core stud. Solid. The epitome of a baller and a world class teammate.

  11. A Bengal player complaining about something being illegal, wow.

    Buddy, look at your roster, it’s full of convicts.

  12. All steelers players are dirty, ask Carson Palmer about 2006 and Tom Brady about 2002, they notoriously dove at qb’s knees before they set up a rule against it. Glad to see they got Tebowed last year.

  13. drgreenstreak says:
    Mar 21, 2012 6:55 AM
    Pretty much sums up Hines Ward career. Dirty. Never really got his clock cleaned in the right, jaw-breaking way. Does not deserve HOF. Won’t make it.
    Really got sick of his cheap shots. He kinda quit that since Roger laid down the law. Had to secure that Dancing Stars thang.
    Here’s a loogie for ya, Hines.

    _________________________________

    Oh yea, he did. Then-Ravens linebacker Jarret Johnson blew him up big time on opening day of the 2011 season. It was great payback. Other than that, your post was spot on!

  14. Betty Crocker should shut her pie hole, Ward played the right way, nothing but respect for him

  15. So Hines Ward, dirty player, illegal cheap shot hits that go beyond the scope of the game. Paid as a solid run blocker from the WR spot and good receiver. First ballot HOF?

    The Saints hit guys within the rules of the game, for lesser contracts, for lesser stipends. Villains of the NFL?

    Hello pot, meet kettle

  16. Having played in the same secondary as Roy Williams, I guess Crocker does know something about dirty play.

    By the way, Rivers stinks at LB and Ward did the Bengals a favor.

  17. As a Bengal fan I never liked ward. HOF? Yes! Cheap Shot artist? Oh hell yeah Would I have loved for him to play my team? Damned skippy I would. The one thing that pisses me off more than the Rivers hit is the brutal but honest comment after each Steeler win over Cincy when he would say, “same ol’ sorry ass Bengals” That’s the one I wish someone would have leveled him for.

  18. Hate the Steelers loved the way Ward played one tough SOB. And sorry everyone that calls him a cheap shot artist. Sorry Cincy and Ravens if a little WR would get the best of your 240+ LBers. Cry. Great player.

  19. Everybody said Ward was dirty, but everyone also wanted him on their team. I am a Browns Fan, I hated Ward (and alot of other Steelers) but I always wanted Ward and Harrison to be wearing Orange and Brown. The fact that Butch Davis passed on big Ben still makes me gut-sick. Being a Browns fan, we are always in a hate-jealous relationship with Pittsburgh.

  20. You love when a big defensive player calls out a wide receiver on hits..COME ON MAN, the Bungals especially.

  21. The Keith Rivers hit was a blatent head to head shot and somehow there was no penalty or fine. He was beyond dirty and deserves the Hall as much as Jamarcus Russell. Instead put someone in that deserves it like Ken Anderson.

  22. I liked him and I’m a cowboys fan, happy to see him retire though as it shows a sign of how old that team is starting to get with their longtime key players…

  23. Dirty … cheap shot … playing H-A-R-D, … break a guy’s jaw!
    I guess if you do it for internal satisfaction and not bounty $$$, it must be O.K.

  24. Ok let me get this strait. A DB or LB hits hard and someone gets hurt oh well it is part of the game. A WR blocking on a run or after another receiver catches the ball (which I believe is allowed) hits hard and the DB or LB gets hurt and they want to call foul. Hmmm something just seems not right. Sounds like the defenders want to play defense so they can dish it out but don’t want to have to take it.

    (Not a Steeler fan or Hines fan but can appreciate hard play from whomever)

  25. Earholing defensive players who aren’t looking classifies as a helmet to helmet blow on a defenseless opponent. Ward made a career out of it, but since he plays offense it was OK. The hypocrisy inherent in the rules would be comedy if it weren’t dangerous. Just ask Eric berry about the way the league protects defensive players and their safety….such a joke.

  26. “Did you all put a bounty out on that Mendenhall,” Terrell Suggs replied, “Definitely. The bounty was out on him and the bounty was out on Ward”

  27. what is cheap about hitting a guy up high? on day 1 of football in 7th grade my coach taught me to keep my head on a swivel and in 9 years of playing football i was crack-backed ZERO times because i was paying attention. Dont get me wrong, i’ve been lit up in my day, but never because i wasnt paying attention.
    some of you just cant get over your sense that a wr is supposed to be some soft, frail, little diva who has a disdain for blocking, where Ward embraced the blocking aspect of his position. fact is that when you get lit up like that, it’s embarrassing, especially when it comes from someone who isnt 6-4 225, so you come up with some way to justify it….like ,saying it was dirty….if it’s so dirty why isnt he flagged at the time, or fined heavily afterward? the nfl is definitely good for that.

  28. So Chris, let me get this straight – as a safety, you can try and unload on a wide receiver every time he goes over the middle or any time he enters your zone, however, if that wide receiver tries to hit you, he’s a dirty player?

    According to Chris Crocker, defenders should have full license to hit receivers who are looking back for the ball, but offensive players should block anybody who’s not ready to take a hit.

    Weak.

  29. I clicked on the rivers block..looks like a block that happens all the time in football everywhere…what I say about that get ya awareness up…doesn’t mean he’s not dirty but that was a legal football play imo

  30. Chris Crocker can only hope that his eventual retirement will be worthy of a posting on PFT.com. #irrelevant career

  31. I actually agree one hundred percent with Crocker. I give Hines his due, he was a solid receiver in his prime and his run blocking was bar none to any other wideout. He accomplished a lot on the field that he can look back on and be proud of. And yes, he was a dirty player.

  32. Considering Ward could outshine his defensive counterparts while playing offense is exactly why players like Chris (who??) are glad to see him go. The hunter never likes to become the hunted and Ward masterfully switched roles and was relevant in every offensive down he played.

  33. The blindside downfield block by a WR is no more dirty than a DB putting his shoulder into the ribs of a receiver who is stretched out across the middle trying to make a catch, and that says nothing about the # of years those DB’s were allowed to lead with there helmet or go low and cut the legs of those receivers, so if Hines knocked out a few defenders with blocks they didn’t see coming, big deal. I’m a Patriots fan who feels that the NFL is a little less today after the retirement of Hines Ward. He always played the game the right way!!!

  34. You can’t break a guys jaw without the hit being helmet to helmet. If you hit him in the shoulder with your shoulder, no broken jaw. End of story, dirty hit.

  35. ach477 says:
    Mar 21, 2012 7:48 AM
    Ok let me get this strait. A DB or LB hits hard and someone gets hurt oh well it is part of the game. A WR blocking on a run or after another receiver catches the ball (which I believe is allowed) hits hard and the DB or LB gets hurt and they want to call foul. Hmmm something just seems not right. Sounds like the defenders want to play defense so they can dish it out but don’t want to have to take it.

    (Not a Steeler fan or Hines fan but can appreciate hard play from whomever)

    =================================
    Defensive players are hypocrits. Love players like Hines Ward and love it when a good crack block sends messages to defense.

  36. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Hines Ward is not a Hall of Fame wide receiver. During his most productive seasons (2002-2004) there were at least 10 other WRs playing who I’d rank ahead of Ward in the league, and that’s just off the top of my head. He belongs in the Hall of Very Good, but not with the elite players in the HOF.

  37. This guy is such a nancy….he is complaining about a legit, legal, hard block…aka…he is complaining that Hines Ward was good at his job…Is their a RB in the league that complains when a LB gets a “Poster” type of tackle against them? Its a contact sport and its about time this guy learned it.

  38. Hines Ward is dirty for rubbing sideline chalk in Cornell Brown’s eyes not for the hit Crocker is talking about. My problem with his blow up hits is that they are away from the play and actually take away from bigger threats. For example, on the peel back block in the linked video the LB is not going to make the play where Ward blocks him. But Ward decides to peel back to block someone in pursuit. Two yards down the field, the DB who Ward is supposed to block, comes up and makes the play. Given the angles, Ward cost the team at least five yards simply to get an ear hole block.

  39. “So Chris, let me get this straight – as a safety, you can try and unload on a wide receiver every time he goes over the middle or any time he enters your zone, however, if that wide receiver tries to hit you, he’s a dirty player?”

    ———————————————————–

    Benglas fan here…. when has Chris Crocker unloaded on anyone? let alone tackled them? let alone picked the ball off?

    Chris Crocker is as clean as it gets…. he only tackles air.

  40. Exactly right. Toughness isn’t hitting people when they aren’t looking at you and aren’t even close to the play. That’s cowardice. Hines Ward is the definition of a coward.

  41. “A player can be great and dirty, and in Crocker’s view, Ward was both. After the interview, Crocker went to the bathroom to change his tampon.”

  42. I’m have no doubts he’s glad he doesn’t have to face another season of being completely embarrassed by Ward. Ditto to all the AFC North teams! Nothing makes you dislike an opponent more than having one upstage you game after game after game and you have no answer for.

  43. So…a receiver getting blown up going across the middle of the field is not dirty…But a receiver putting that same hit on a defender is dirty…Just trying to sort out the facts.

  44. Defensive players tried to call Hines Ward a dirty player because they didn’t want to get hit by him. As Hines always said, they weren’t going to take mercy on him if he went over the middle.

    Sorry Crocker. Hitting goes both ways in football. If you don’t want to get hit, quit. Ward will likely end up in Canton someday. You’re a journeyman at best and won’t be remembered at all when you hang the cleats up.

  45. Buncha sopping wet vaginas posting in here. It’s football. That’s part of the game. Don’t want to get hit? Then get your a$$ out of the NFL.

  46. Let’s be serious here. Ward never hit anybody that was looking right at him. Dude always looked for an easy KO. I was always waiting for the hit that would knock that stupid grin off his face but, to his credit, that rarely happened.

    Having said all that, he still was a heck of a football player and, by all accounts, a good human being. Well done Mr. Ward and best wishes for health and happiness throughout your retirement years.

  47. eggersthejerk says:Mar 21, 2012 7:12 AM

    The only people who aren’t happy to see Whines Hard retire or who think he wasn’t a dirty player are the koolaid drinking Steeler fans.

    But rational people know better.
    —————————–

    There is no better way to come across as “rational” than to use a 5th grade level insult on someone’s name.

    Here’s the irony – the NFL had to implement new rules to protect WRs against being hit when defenseless, as defensive players would not hesitate for a second to lay out a WR or a QB.

    Yet it’s those same defensive players complaining that Ward hit them too hard — like he did shoulder to shoulder, face to face on Ed Reed.

    You’re right that rational people are glad that Ward’s career is over, because he was consistent – averaged 85 catches and over 1000 yards a season over his career, had the 3rd longest streak of games with a catch (which was ended because of a cheap shot to his head, resulted in a concussion against New England) and brought it hard on every play.

    There is no Flavor-Aid drinking here, those are facts — just like the origination of that phrase is incorrect and I’m willing to bet you have no idea what it means. Does not make you stupid, but it means you are ignorant — lacking in understanding of what the facts are.

  48. I only feel bad that Ward didn’t leave the field how he deserved to leave it. . . . From a stretcher never to walk again.

    Ooh well, perhaps he will get run down by a drunken driver on his way to the grocery store when karma finally catches up with his cheap arse?

  49. Don’t forget that only 1 of those Super Bowls should count. The NFL handed the other one to the Steelers and later apologized to Seattle for it in a letter to Holmgren & the Seattle brass.
    I’m just sayin’…

  50. @nflfollower:
    you better watch the replay again buddy. i believe rivers’ jaw was broken because he was not wearing a mouthpiece. not certain that wearing one would have prevented the break, but it couldnt have hurt.

  51. I wonder why we never here any big name players complaining about Ward? Seems like only the ones that are trying to self promote seem to chime in. I bet Ray Lewis, ed Reed and all actual great players Hines played against, have respect and even some love for #86. Great career Hines….thanks for all the memories!!!

  52. myopinionmattersandyoursblows says:
    Mar 21, 2012 6:53 AM
    Hines Ward played the game H-A-R-D! Its shameful that a defensive player is calling out a WR for rough play!
    But I guess a Bengal would know what’s legal or illegal!!

    ===========================

    H-A-R-D

    creates

    B-O-U-N-T-I-E-S

    anybody can be got…so be careful about legal and illegal. Bounties can be about revenge as well as for payment as well all know. Reputations can be expensive.

  53. what a crock of shtai blocking is part of the game moron if he can blast you to spring him he did his job p+$%y. its just none of you had the stones to play on the edge cause chris crocker don’t play ball son he’s just a shook one. btw how is rivers jaw is he eating solids yet.

  54. Heinz Ward got blown up going across the middle as much as any WR that has ever played the game. And you never, ever saw him complain about a hit or call for a flag.

    LB’s and safeties like to own the middle of the field. Fly around wrecklessly and punish offensive players. And that’s fine, and WR’s, RB’s and TE’s learn very early on to keep their heads on a swivel.

    When playing the Steelers, defenders needed to make sure they knew where Ward was at all times too. And don’t think it didn’t slow them down at times.

    The guy had balls. Put a giant target on his back by playing the way that he did.

  55. =================================
    Defensive players are hypocrits. Love players like Hines Ward and love it when a good crack block sends messages to defense.
    ===================

    So that means you liked my hit on Darryl Stingley, right?

    Sincerely,

    Jack Tatum

  56. He’s just one in a long line of dirty Steelers… Dwight White, Donnie Shell, Joey Porter, James Harrison, etc. It’s easy to see why so many people who grew up with the team think late hits and cheap shots are part of the game.

  57. Crocker is a !ussy. Why say this now? Bcuz you don’t want to get worked by Hines next time the Steelers hand you another loss. Wait until he retires then tell us how you feel.

    When ever a smaller offenseive player takes it to a bigger defensive player, it must be bcuz he is a cheap shot! Get over it.

  58. A lot of you are forgetting that he was voted dirtiest player in the NFL by his peers. They’re the ones out on field and in the piles with him.

  59. @jessethegreat:
    i’d say you just put a fair amount of karma out there for yourself with that comment. wishing that kind of injury on someone isnt a good look. who did he ever hurt in such a way?

  60. There’s no doubt Ward blindsided people and most, if not all, of his great blocks were when defenders were not looking. There’s no arguing that. How did Ward fare when he attempted to make a block straight body to body or face to face? Exactly! He was on the receiving end……just ask him about Jarret Johnson’s hit on him. PPPPPFFFGGHHHAAAAAAAA!!!! He got lit up.

  61. tatum064 says:
    Mar 21, 2012 9:53 AM
    =================================
    Defensive players are hypocrits. Love players like Hines Ward and love it when a good crack block sends messages to defense.
    ===================

    So that means you liked my hit on Darryl Stingley, right?

    Sincerely,

    Jack Tatum

    ================================
    Jack,

    Good to see that Lucifer gave you some time off in hell so that you can post at PFT.

  62. First:
    There is a HUGE difference in hits made AWAY from the ball, which is what Hines did. All of the hits on him as a WR were ON or AROUND the ball. Ward would take advantage of planting other players unsuspecting because the plays were NOT AROUND THE BALL. (If you’ve ever played you’d know why there is a difference. Being involved in a play on the ball as a WR as opposed to running up to someone’s blindside because you can) This is why he’s considered a cheap shot artist by fans and players.

    Second:
    Why is it so hard to see why Steelers fans loved him and other fans (especially AFCN) hated him? He will and should be in the HOF just as he should, and is, disliked by other fans and players.

  63. Redguy,
    You say:
    “Rivers got injured because of the way his head bounced off the ground, not because of the hit.”
    ___

    That’s BS! You are full of it. It was Ward’s helmet that broke his jaw. It was a helmet to jaw hit by Ward. Rivers then landed on his back, right side, not on his jaw. You are ridiculous to think of it any other way. Watch the video and put your glasses on this time.

  64. Crocker shut your mouth. You should of lost your job lasy year when Mays was traded. you are lucky you were a team captain. your days are up. Ask Arian Foster

  65. 1st – Crying in football does happen when your Ward and you fumble in the playoffs to basically cement your career as done for.

    2nd- You can be a Steeler fan and hate it or a fan of any other team and declare it fact, but in the end the guy was just completely a dirty player game in and game out. Not only would he hit you with any cheap shot possible, he will laugh at you afterward and look around at the fans for support of his tatics. He had great hands and never feared going across the middle, making him on of the best slot WRs of his time; that said, the rest of everything else he did makes me ecstatic that I will never again have to see his smug grin for as long as I live.

    In closing, football is a sport that has evolved into an art as the schemes and mentality of the players have evolved dramatically over the last 70 years and especially the last 10. Gurus from Peyton to Belicheck have made the chess match go to another level. This is not longer a fancy version of rugby and I could not be more grateful. It is people like Romanowski and Ward that threaten this advancement and it is up to people like us to speak out against to ensure that the direction of our sport heads the right way.

  66. Good riddance. Ward was just another cheap shot artist in a long line of Steeler cheap shot artists trying to injure someone.

  67. We need to remember that the hits Ward laid on defenders, including the helmet-to-helmet hits on defenders in vulnerable positions, were perfectly legal (in most cases) until a few years ago. The same is true of defenders hitting the quarterback below the knees, which cost Tom Brady a season as someone above pointed out.

    Did Ward play aggressively and very close to the line? Yes, but the vast majority of his hits were legal for most of his career. Is he dirty? To the extent that he hit hard with no regard for whether the defender might get hurt, I suppose so, but most of what he did fell within the rules at the time.

    In short, Ward was dirty, but will never quite make it to the Rodney Harrison Hall of Dirty Players.

  68. Ward does NOT get into the HOF until Cris Carter and Tim Brown get in. Or, if they remove Lynn Swann from the HOF, then you can put Ward in his place. Swann was only great in the playoffs (Seriously, 336 career receptions for 5462 yards and 51 TDs gets you in the HOF? Why is he in? Playoffs.). If that’s the criteria, then put Deion Branch in the HOF.

    That being said, Ward was a tough SOB who brought it every week. For those crying over the Rivers hit, how would you feel about the hit if it was reversed. What if Rivers decleated Ward? You all would be singing Rivers’ praises. To Keith Rivers, I say keep your head on a swivel, son! It’s a tough game. That hit was legit, and it was a hit that was an integral part of the play. Ward’s block sprung his teammate for extra yardage. It wasn’t a hit that happened 25 yards away from the play like Warren Sapp’s hit on the GB OL, which is now an illegal hit. Rivers was within 3 yards of the ball carrier when Ward crunched him. So, stop whining.

  69. Hines was a throwback, plain and simple! In the ’50s, ’60s and ’70s, his play would be considered textbook. In today’s kinder, gentler NFL, he is a dirty player!

    You guys sound like such whiners when you say that. Here is what Peezy would say to that, “SO!”

    THANKS HINES!

  70. He was absolutely great at being dirty. There’s no doubt about that.

    When you open the Hall of Bounties, put Ward in as the inaugural member. Even Gregg Williams will have to wait to be second.

  71. Look how feminized the NFL has become that a Defender would whine about being blindsided by a WR player. B/C defenders never attempt knockout hits on offensive players!!! Players don’t like that a WR turned the tables and took the same shots that defenders make a living on. You can thank Goodell for the P*SSIFICATION of the NFL player!!!

    Mas Puto!!!

  72. Wow, look at all the whiny Bungle and Maven fans in this thread. Congratulations, your long nightmare is finally over. And while you’re slamming Ward for being dirty, he’ll be shining his Super Bowl rings and getting fitted for his HOF jacket. Note to Betty Crocker: Ward retiring changes nothing, the Bungles will always be the Bungles.

  73. zstone513 says:
    Mar 21, 2012 10:03 AM
    A lot of you are forgetting that he was voted dirtiest player in the NFL by his peers. They’re the ones out on field and in the piles with him.
    ———————-
    What year? What poll? magazine? How many players voted? Pretty sure you don’t know and are just repeating stuff you heard.

  74. Unlike other teams that hope to go to the SuperBowl, The STEELERS EXPECT TO GO TO THE SUPERBOWL…..Leader=Hines Ward…Thanks…Gonna miss ya….

  75. blkdmon says:
    Mar 21, 2012 10:16 AM
    There’s no doubt Ward blindsided people and most, if not all, of his great blocks were when defenders were not looking.

    ——————
    Hey, just so you know, a defender’s primary job is to get to the football, therefore most, if not all great open field blocks are when defenders aren’t looking.

  76. I agree with Crocker, this guy was a dirty cheapshot artist. I dont agree that he should even be considered for HOF, his numbers were mediocre at best. Performing well in one superbowl does not justify HOF status. he has better luck getting in DWTS HOF. Good Riddence Rat Boy.

  77. Comedy when someone calls out another guy for PLAYING HARD. It’s football and in football you hit someone until the whistle blows. Whether it be a blindside or a frontside, you hit people and help your team win.

  78. It’s funny:

    The goal of the defensive back is to make receivers keep their head on a swivel.

    Ward made defensive backs keep their head on a swivel, which is why he was so hated.

    The dude was dirty, no doubt, but so are 90% of the DBs in the league.

    I just think they hated that he played their game.

  79. How many times was Ward fined or penalized for illegal hits?

    Once or twice, if I recall correctly.

    So he was dirty, but he did it legally.

    Let’s also remember that he never went for knees, like Rodney Harrison was famous for.

    He didn’t target the head, either, although he definitely contacted the head on some hits.

    He almost always led with his shoulder.

    But yeah, he had defenders scared.

    Bart Scott loves how it feels to knock the wind out of a defenseless player, but he thinks it’s dirty if someone does the same to him.

    Keith Rivers would be known as a monster hitter if he broke Ward’s jaw, not a dirty player.

    I still think Ward was dirty, but I’m glad he played for my favorite team.

  80. bensstinkyfingers

    His numbers were mediocre? Better than Michael Irvin’s and Ward didn’t even play on a pass-happy team until 2007.

    Plus his lack of size and speed means that he was probably the most effective route-runner in the game.

    How else could he get open?

  81. pfffttt.. Mr. Crocker, the NFL existed before you joined up. The first blocking Wide Receiver? Maybe because Hines patterned his game after Rod Smith. Minus the alleged dirty play.

  82. Like I said, if you want to know whether Ward belongs in the Hall, ask the defenders who played against him.

  83. i hate the steelers but you have to respect the way ward played the game.

    you know a player is good when you would want that player on your favorite team.

  84. Agreed that Ward was a very good well rounded reciever, great off-field personality, and team leadership, things I wish ocho had. I think in this era of 5,000 passing yards you can’t put Ward in and not TO who is closer to Rice in numbers and longevity. In my opinion, put Ward and ocho together and you have a HOF WR, remember ocho went to the pro bowl six times to wards four meaning he was chosen over ward quite a few times.
    There is no doubt that he was a cheap shot artist, but at the time those hits were legal although questionably immoral. They changed league rules as a result of small guys like ward hitting people when they weren’t looking or weren’t in the play. I’m a Bengals fan and I don’t think that the keith rivers hit was illegal and it was the LBers fault for not being aware, but I remember hundreds of plays they used ward on special teams to deliver a blow away from the play. Plus ward could make those hits cheap because he was a small guy an was adept at staying in the defenders blind spot til the last moment.
    Only on the cheating steroid steelers (who have a history of steroid abuse) would this have been taught, see the way they tackle? Spear everything hurt the other players. Even though the saints are getting the punishment, art rooney club has been transgressing for years.
    The Steroid Cheap Shot steelers dynasty is over, be ready Steelers fans to be humbled by the bungles twice a year. I kinda wish he was still a steeler to give our kids the extra motivation to beat the crap out of steel town.

  85. bleed4philly says: Mar 21, 2012 7:26 AM

    All steelers players are dirty, ask Carson Palmer about 2006 and Tom Brady about 2002, they notoriously dove at qb’s knees before they set up a rule against it. Glad to see they got Tebowed last year.

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    I know I had to point this out to someone else on here two weeks ago, but have you ever *actually* watched the film of von Oelhoffen hitting Palmer, and done so in a manner where you’re not looking to make the attribution that the play was dirty?

    In case you’ve not (which I’m assuming is the case), you’d see that he didn’t dive at the Palmer’s knees – he was deflected toward/thrown into Palmer by Eric Steinbach, the Bengals OG with whom he was tangled up, and completed the hit. In fact, if you watch the video, he could have gone *a lot* harder at Palmer’s leg if he’d wanted to. Just because it ruined the Bengals only chance in the last twenty-five years to do anything remotely meaningful doesn’t make it dirty.

  86. drmichaelstevenlee says:
    Mar 21, 2012 3:22 PM
    ” I kinda wish he was still a steeler to give our kids the extra motivation to beat the crap out of steel town.”
    ————————–
    Hines was a Steeler for 14 seasons, and to my knowledge was on the field for every game against Cincy. Don’t talk tough about wanting another shot at him after you know it won’t happen. Keith Rivers had all the motivation he needed, also had multiple opportunities since his football lesson to get even. By the way is he still a Bengal? Or is he out of the league? I only see stats for him up until 2010.

  87. who is Chris Crocker? really never heard of him oh yeah played for BUNGALES cry me a river LMFAO what a joke

  88. modellforprez says:
    Mar 21, 2012 9:50 AM
    what a crock of shtai blocking is part of the game moron if he can blast you to spring him he did his job p+$%y. its just none of you had the stones to play on the edge cause chris crocker don’t play ball son he’s just a shook one. btw how is rivers jaw is he eating solids yet.

    I beat you don’t have a 401K. Simple minded people are determined to ruin this sport we love.

  89. Steeler’s Will says:
    Mar 21, 2012 11:28 AM
    zstone513 says:
    Mar 21, 2012 10:03 AM
    A lot of you are forgetting that he was voted dirtiest player in the NFL by his peers. They’re the ones out on field and in the piles with him.
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    What year? What poll? magazine? How many players voted? Pretty sure you don’t know and are just repeating stuff you heard.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/11/04/dirty/index.html

    That took 30 seconds, every heard of this thing called Google?

    Typical.

  90. Have any of you girls actually played organized football at any level? Honestly, you run around all game trying level someone like Ward.

    It is hilarious to hear pros complain about it. It must suck when our WR is tougher than your Safety, or LB.

    Defenseless, defensive player is laughable. Shouldn’t the defense be delivering the punishment.

    If he played for your team he would be worshiped like he is in Pittsburgh. Sissies.

  91. @steeler Will,
    I respect Ward, but his special teams hits was what changed the league to a safety first league, so all those Steelers fans crying foul about how the league is targeting their players on their defense, remember it was your own that started the scrutiny.
    Don’t be mad because your LBers are too old to evolve their game. I said myself there wasn’t anything wrong IMO on the Rivers hit, but that isn’t the only example, see jdouble77 post above or just type Ward dirty player. Also on that article, Cortland Finnegan is like fourth and Palomalu is on there too.
    On Special teams Ward was a headhunter and this was before illegal hits and safety reg, yes he was a small guy who could hit, but even a 150 lb guy can take out a 220lb LB if the LB doesn’t see it coming.
    Also your QB is two time alleged rapist… All respect to Kirby Wilson, a standup guy, did a great job with Mendy, hope he gets better enough to return soon. Hate to see a good clean man go down. But I will be cheering when the Steelers are at the bottom of the pile.

  92. To all of you who think one hit is the same as the next, and we shouldn’t be worried about players getting hit, get hit by a semi when you aren’t looking and see if you live, but if you know it is coming body mechanics can buffer the blow. Blkdmn is right, Ward was a hide until last second and blow up your neck and face which was legal then but illegal now.
    Just ask all those kids in high school and college who had their careers ended by Ward’s examples and you’ll see why we consider him a dirty player…. Put TO in the HOF, not Ward, TO made several of his teams playoff contenders in his first year. But no, those old fogeys with HOF votes use it as a popularity contest.

  93. jdouble777 says:
    Mar 21, 2012 5:47 PM
    “That took 30 seconds, every heard of this thing called Google? ”
    —————
    FYI the point of my post was obviously over your head, but we’ll pretend you’re the atypical one.
    With jdouble777’s valuable contribution, we see that back in November 2009, Ward was listed as the dirtiest player by Sports Illustrated magazine. That article states that 296 players were polled, and that Hines received 11.6% of the vote, for a total of 34 votes. Just wanted zstone513, her boyfriend who told her, and others to know what they’re hanging their “dirty cheapshot player” argument on. Loving that it’s still brought up 3 years later, but Suh’s top spot on that list this year is forgotten.

  94. @drmichaelstevenlee

    I don’t particularly care who you respect, as your tired insults indicate your respect isn’t worth much. I’m not sure what the source of your tirade is, but it has nothing to do with my calling you out for trying to be an internet bad@ss with your tough guy talk of paybacks on a player that just retired.

  95. Hines knocked the #@&+ out of Rivers.

    That hit was one of the all time great hits in all of sports.

    Football, Hockey, stock car racing, you name it. One of the best hits ever.

    The only hit approaching it, was the hit he put on Ed Reed awhile back.

    It was a running play. Hines made like he was blocking the cornerback and watched safety Ed Reed’s eyes.

    When Reed locked his eyes onto the ball carrier, and started towards him, Ward immediately left the cornerback he was blocking, and put a devastating hit on Reed which Reed never saw.

    Lights out.

    While Reed was on his back, Ward let loose with that #@!+ eating grin he is famous for, and signaled toward the Raven’s sideline for the trainers to come and collect what was left of Reed.

    Thing of beauty.

    I’m sure even Ray Lewis had to have appreciated it from his vantage point.

    The best time, and most effective way to knock the crap out an opposing player is when he’s not looking during a time when he should be.

    Hines was a master of this technique, and was just the latest in a long line of hard hitting championship caliber Steelers, some of whom have already been named in this discussion.

    This sort of play has earned the Steelers 6 Super Bowl Championships.

    Ward, a two time Super Bowl winner and Super Bowl MVP, will make the HOF no question before Andre Reed, Terrell Owens, Chris Carter, and Tim Brown, all of whom caught a lot of balls, but who never won anything.

    You heard it here first

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