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Goodell lowers boom on the Saints

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As expected, Commissioner Roger Goodell has hit the Saints hard for the bounty system that was employed for three seasons.

Per a league source, head coach Sean Payton has been suspended for the full year.

But it could have been worse for Payton.  Former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams has been suspended indefinitely.  (Presumably, that means at least a year.)

Also, G.M. Mickey Loomis has been suspended for eight games.

The discipline comes more than two weeks after the NFL concluded that the Saints maintained in 2009, 2010, and 2011 a system that paid defensive players for forced turnovers, big plays, and (most troublingly) hits that knocked opposing players out of the game.

Williams got the worst of it because the league concluded that he actually administered the program.  As Peter King of Sports Illustrated explained in an excellent cover story for the magazine, Williams handed out envelopes full of cash at Saturday night defensive meetings following victories during the 2009 Super Bowl season.

Also, Williams lied to the NFL, likely on multiple occasions, about the bounty system.  And he brazenly continued to do it for two full seasons after the league investigated a complaint from the Vikings that the Saints had a $10,000 bounty on Brett Favre during the 2009 NFC title game.

Payton, though not directly involved in the bounty program, was aware of it and didn’t stop it.

UPDATE 12:59 p.m. ET:  The NFL has issued a formal announcement regarding the discipline.  The announcement also states that assistant head coach/linebackers coach Joe Vitt has been suspended six games.  The penalties imposed on the Saints organization will be discussed analyzed in a separate item.

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287 Responses to “Goodell lowers boom on the Saints”
  1. realbenrush says: Mar 21, 2012 12:49 PM

    Boom! That’s longer than I think most expected for Payton, but well deserved.

  2. TaiwanMike says: Mar 21, 2012 12:50 PM

    Deservedly so. Bounties are much much worse than videotaping opponents’ practices. Good job, NFL.

  3. diehardsaintsfan says: Mar 21, 2012 12:50 PM

    Thats way too harsh already, no need to go any further.

  4. ftblfan9 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:50 PM

    Wow. Peyton who?

  5. starfan79 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:50 PM

    Holy crap!!!!

  6. tennis22drew says: Mar 21, 2012 12:50 PM

    Wow. Deserved it though.

  7. p31squared says: Mar 21, 2012 12:51 PM

    Who’s flabbergasted with me?

  8. masterflyguy says: Mar 21, 2012 12:51 PM

    Wow….

  9. goindy2006 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:51 PM

    Ouch!

  10. steelerdynasty2010 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:51 PM

    that’s a SONIC BOOM!

    had to happen though

  11. greatminnesotasportsmind says: Mar 21, 2012 12:51 PM

    Not enough

  12. bigvinnyinjax says: Mar 21, 2012 12:51 PM

    Bring on the flags – no hitting allowed.

  13. vikefan says: Mar 21, 2012 12:51 PM

    not enuff, should be stripped of super bowl trophy & related items (banners, rings, etc). a black eye and aesterisk for super bowl history

  14. hairpie says: Mar 21, 2012 12:51 PM

    Now give the Pats their pick back, you crook!

  15. drsodrel says: Mar 21, 2012 12:51 PM

    Roger GODdel runs the world.

  16. faulkana says: Mar 21, 2012 12:51 PM

    Dang Boy!
    I didn’t want to try to say, “First to say”, because you rarely ever are, and for some reason everyone spells, “First”….”Frist” for some reason.
    But, Dang…big trouble in the Big Easy.

  17. fballguy says: Mar 21, 2012 12:51 PM

    and let’s not forget the 2nd round picks. Hey…the saints won a super bowl recently. I don’t feel bad for them.

  18. cornernum23 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:51 PM

    Wow!

  19. bigvinnyinjax says: Mar 21, 2012 12:52 PM

    Payton remains my favorite coach in the league. If the Saints fire him, he should be snapped up in a matter of seconds.

  20. q1ller says: Mar 21, 2012 12:52 PM

    It should have been 2 first round picks, not 2 seconds.

  21. jpaq68 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:52 PM

    Wow. That’s going to leave a mark.

  22. amaf21 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:52 PM

    More like Goodell lowers the sonic boom on the Saints.

  23. randolph32 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:52 PM

    Do the Saints even need Brees anymore?

  24. downslide33 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:52 PM

    Wow! I’d say thats the equivalent of the NCAA death penalty.

  25. clw1906 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:52 PM

    Whoa!!!

  26. stadanko says: Mar 21, 2012 12:52 PM

    That’s insane. That’s technically a longer suspension than Michael Vick got for federal gambling charges, Ben Roth got for 2 rape accusations, and Bellicheck got for ACTUALLY CHEATING. Goodell has lost it, if he ever had it to begin with.

  27. pynflfan says: Mar 21, 2012 12:52 PM

    Justice

  28. peterozelle says: Mar 21, 2012 12:53 PM

    Release the kraken!

  29. coop16 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:53 PM

    Wow. That’s even worse than I expected.

    I would bet that there were a half dozen NFL teams that had some sort of bounty system in 2009 … and that there will be zero such teams in 2012.

  30. vicktator says: Mar 21, 2012 12:53 PM

    Mind you Belichick didn’t get a game. Cheating is much more detrimental to the game. Goodell should lose his job for this double-standard.

  31. phelbin says: Mar 21, 2012 12:53 PM

    Goodell has been on a crusade for offensive player safety. Why did anyone believe it would be any less than this? Is it too harsh? Perhaps, but definitely expected.

  32. chiefsfan88 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:53 PM

    O no way saints fans think this is to harsh didn’t see that coming

  33. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Mar 21, 2012 12:53 PM

    Hard to express how much gratitude I have towards Mr. Ted Thompson for picking McCarthy over Payton. And, towards Payton for kicking in an extra couple hundred thousand of his own salary to keep Williams from signing with Green Bay!!!!

  34. tuckfanforlife says: Mar 21, 2012 12:53 PM

    no first round picks

  35. worldsgreatest says: Mar 21, 2012 12:54 PM

    Way way way too much. Shame on you Goodell.

  36. c0rona55 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:54 PM

    .. and boom goes the dynamite

  37. filthysicknasty says: Mar 21, 2012 12:54 PM

    Damn!!

  38. masterflyguy says: Mar 21, 2012 12:54 PM

    Bounties on players are inexcusable…

    Sincerely,

    Buddy Ryan

  39. nineroutsider says: Mar 21, 2012 12:54 PM

    Wow, that is harsh. How does coach/executive suspensions work? Can Peyton still coach the entire off-season and during practice and only miss the games? Suspended players can practice with their teams during the week but can’t play on game day, I assume this will be the case for Peyton. I have no idea what a GM suspension is like; has it been done before?

    Both the GM and the coach shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the team during the suspension; just like if I were to be suspended from my job without pay.

  40. sgt50 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:54 PM

    So Head Coach gets a year, DC gets a indefinite, and the GM who lied to NFL and ownership gets 8 games, WTH!

  41. kandrewpope says: Mar 21, 2012 12:54 PM

    two 2nd round picks

  42. nflcraziness says: Mar 21, 2012 12:54 PM

    All should have been suspended indefinately. Super Bowl win should be striped. 1st three draft picks should be lost.

  43. prince5000 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:54 PM

    i’m shocked – looks like the 2007 Goodell

  44. bigcarguy1 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:54 PM

    how amny draft picks to go along with the suspensions???

  45. bearsrulepackdrool says: Mar 21, 2012 12:55 PM

    Expect Drew Brees to ask for a trade.

  46. holdsteady76 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:55 PM

    Now take some draft picks and * their trophy.

  47. nolanorth says: Mar 21, 2012 12:55 PM

    Wtf.. That’s a joke

  48. bearsrulepackdrool says: Mar 21, 2012 12:55 PM

    Hurricane Goodell.

  49. kandrewpope says: Mar 21, 2012 12:55 PM

    two 2nd round picks also i mean

  50. patfic15 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:55 PM

    If I am the Saints, I say play your SB somewhere else Goddell…

  51. eballa1 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:56 PM

    Ridiculous

  52. longerlasting says: Mar 21, 2012 12:56 PM

    Wow.
    Roger lowers the boom.
    Message received.
    The players will only get a slap on the hand after Goodell negotiates with the union. After all the ‘employees’ were only following the example set by ‘management’.

  53. kriswd40 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:56 PM

    Next comes the loss of draft picks. I’d bet at least a first rounder based on what SpyGate cost that Pats.

  54. bearsrulepackdrool says: Mar 21, 2012 12:56 PM

    Owned!

  55. fballguy says: Mar 21, 2012 12:56 PM

    LOFL…Good luck winning games with Spagnuolo stepping in as HC. Worst HC in NFL history. You don’t have to believe me now. Just watch.

  56. hairpie says: Mar 21, 2012 12:56 PM

    Good job. Trying to influence the outcome of a game is CHEATING… unlike Spygate that gave the Pats “No competative advantage.”

  57. patfic15 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:57 PM

    We straight!

  58. cbs1971 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:57 PM

    Saints franchise is doomed…..WOW!

    Brees is having a heart attack right about……..NOW!

  59. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Mar 21, 2012 12:57 PM

    When are they going to strip the Saints of the Super Bowl trophy and award it to the Vikings?

  60. cwmorga says: Mar 21, 2012 12:57 PM

    Meh, no first round picks. That’s a plus. Saints have a veteran squad and should be ok.

  61. archdeluxe34 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:57 PM

    Applause. Message sent. Protect the players. Any problems with that James Harrison? Goodell staying true to form.

  62. michiganhockey11 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:58 PM

    I don’t know which one sounds better.

    “Sweet Enola Gay!”

    or

    “Kneel before Zod!”

  63. jason1980 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:58 PM

    This is no biggie, Saints can manage without Sean Payton for a year, Spag can carry the load for a while. Alright back to winning football! Geaux Saints!!

  64. toonsterwu says: Mar 21, 2012 12:58 PM

    Wow. I’m a bit stunned at the severity of punishment on Payton and Loomis, but this seems to be a sign that the NFL was as pissed, if not moreso, about the fact that they ignored the NFL’s repeated warnings, reportedly.

    The Saints do have a good coaching staff, though, and Carmichael worked well with Brees last year, so I’m not sure I expect the offense to suffer all that much. I wonder who calls the shots. On paper, Joe Vitt is AHC, but I wonder if Spagnuolo becomes interim head coach, with his experience being in charge.

  65. dawsonleery says: Mar 21, 2012 12:58 PM

    So Payton gets to go on vacation, cool.

  66. cdrion21 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:58 PM

    Wow just wow

  67. jagerbmb says: Mar 21, 2012 12:58 PM

    OUCH!!!! That definately left a mark…

  68. nolarhode says: Mar 21, 2012 12:59 PM

    Harsh punishment. Where’s the evidence to justify it?

  69. slippyal2 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:59 PM

    I get the year suspension, but to have it last to April 1st 2013 is ridiculous. He would have no say on the beginning of free agency, or what to do with his free agents.

    They better sign Drew Brees and get some good press locally.

  70. turbodog1027 says: Mar 21, 2012 12:59 PM

    This is utterly ridiculous. The NFL as we know it will cease to exist very soon. Nike is contemplating skirts for all skilled position players. Richard Simmons is heading up the design changes

  71. bucrightoff says: Mar 21, 2012 12:59 PM

    How the hell does Loomis get off so easy? And how the hell do you suspend a GM?

  72. philwauke says: Mar 21, 2012 1:00 PM

    So now everytime the saints tackle someone hard they will show it over and over.

  73. 704fan says: Mar 21, 2012 1:00 PM

    This really isn’t a shocker.

  74. dogluverssuck says: Mar 21, 2012 1:00 PM

    Don’t go celebrating, the Saints can’t be the only violators.

    Could be your team too.

  75. canjura says: Mar 21, 2012 1:00 PM

    Extremely stupid. Bounties have been a part of the game as long as tackling has. You might as well just change it to the Pro Flag Football league.

  76. buccaneer4ever says: Mar 21, 2012 1:00 PM

    Hurricane Goodell just pounded New Orleans hard.

  77. fwippel says: Mar 21, 2012 1:01 PM

    Glad to hear about the suspensions for Payton and Williams.

    Question: How do you suspend a General Manager? Isn’t most of his work done assembling the roster prior to the start of the season? I’m not sure how that is going to work.

  78. wyofootballfan says: Mar 21, 2012 1:01 PM

    That’s it!!

  79. mrconnors says: Mar 21, 2012 1:01 PM

    The Patriots never taped an opponents practice. The Boston Herald ran that story, it was proven false, and they issued an apology for it. Learn the facts.

  80. dtdyno7 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:01 PM

    I just sent off my application to be GM and Coach. Job fair is next week!

  81. skinnyskins says: Mar 21, 2012 1:01 PM

    That’s gotta hurt!

  82. deathmonkey41 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:02 PM

    Apparently cheating during Superbowls is not frowned upon as much.

  83. stadanko says: Mar 21, 2012 1:02 PM

    @chiefsfan88

    And yet we’d still have no problem beating your sad little team.

  84. ernie ernie says: Mar 21, 2012 1:03 PM

    Neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr gonna happen. I bet he misses six games at best. Plus do we know by this article this is true or just rumor? I’ve read nothing official.
    Why not just take a years salary away and be done with it. Make him coach for free but let him coach.

  85. myspaceyourface says: Mar 21, 2012 1:03 PM

    So Cheating and effecting the outcome of the Super Bowls is worth a 1st round pick and a few hundred thousand dollars and pay to play is a worse infraction.

  86. dilberry says: Mar 21, 2012 1:03 PM

    Goodell needs to be impeached by the 32 owners. He’s officially passed David Stern as the worst commisioner in sports. What a joke.

  87. PriorKnowledge says: Mar 21, 2012 1:03 PM

    This is not a sonic boom, this is a nuclear explosion.

    Williams deserves this. In a year or two he can apply to have the suspension lifted. Loomis and Payton should have got the same, but I understand the thinking. Williams was directly involved, so he gets the worse punishment. Payton was HC, so he was almost directly involved also. Loomis was GM, so he was indirectly involved. Lying to the owner is not an NFL crime, just something to get fired over.

    As I said before, how arrogant of Williams that after he knew the NFL was sniffing about in 2010, he continued the bounty program in 2011. I guess if you are going to rob a bank, you have no problem shooting the witnesses.

  88. beneaththeunderdog says: Mar 21, 2012 1:03 PM

    Did Godell put powder on his hand before pimp slapping their candy asses?

  89. dsimp724 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:03 PM

    As further punishment greg williams will now have to coach the jags

  90. nesfan1 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:04 PM

    Bullcrap. Saints fans should burn down NFL headquarters.

  91. eaglebobby says: Mar 21, 2012 1:04 PM

    Those of you who are crying, “too harsh” are idiots–plain and simple. And even if, as one poster put it, Payton is snapped up in a matter of seconds after being fired–if the Saints were to fire him–he still wouldn’t be able to coach this year. And I’m assuming the suspension is immediate, which means he can’t step foot in the facilites in the offseason either.

    Williams–deserved–I thought lifetime ban would have been given to him, but an indefinite suspension is just as good. Who’s going to hire him after this?

    Payton–he failed in his superivsory and nagerial roles as a head coach to stop it. A year is just right for him.

    Loomis–should have gotten as much if not more than Payton. This is the guy who runs the ship and he out and out lied to the NFL investigators.

    As a franchise, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re stripped of their 2nd round pick this year and 1st rounder next year along with a hefty fine.

    And also for those who are crying about it, bounties, which calls for players to be intentionally injured to swing the competitiveness of a game has no place in sports. It’s just the same as point shaving or on a par with the Black Sox scandal.

  92. ernie ernie says: Mar 21, 2012 1:05 PM

    Ironically I thought Payton was a class guy and a heck of a coach. Perhaps he can show that he was not involved or limited involvement?

  93. cwmorga says: Mar 21, 2012 1:05 PM

    @thankheavenfornumberseven says: Mar 21, 2012 12:57 PM

    When are they going to strip the Saints of the Super Bowl trophy and award it to the Vikings?
    ———————

    Don’t you mean the Colts?

  94. orbearider66 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:05 PM

    That was a lot more than I expected for Payton but I’m curious what will happen to the Saints organization.

  95. go9ers says: Mar 21, 2012 1:05 PM

    p31squared says:
    Mar 21, 2012 12:51 PM
    Who’s flabbergasted with me?

    ————–

    Tiki, obviously.

  96. patfic15 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:05 PM

    Carmichael did fine last year. We will be fine this year. Still the champs in ’10!

  97. eaglebobby says: Mar 21, 2012 1:06 PM

    Sorry should have read..”managerial roles….

  98. seananagan says: Mar 21, 2012 1:06 PM

    Did Goodell also hand them a paper bag to put over their Lombardi trophy?

  99. pack93z says: Mar 21, 2012 1:06 PM

    I have no issues with the penalties so far, personally the Saints as a franchise should at least feel a bit more than just losing the coach for a season. Although at least is has an effect on the franchise.

    But this also illustrates just how light of a penalty the Patriots got for their missteps. Didn’t they also get served notice to cease, yet continue on?

    Guess it helps to have that last name of Kraft and a little more success overall.

    That said.. I am glad the Comm handed something out to the coaches instead of just targeting the players time and again.

  100. rugdog100 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:07 PM

    Who Dat gonna be sittin’ at home watchin’ on TV? They should have taken their SB win away too. Cheap-shot football was the only way they could win, not with talent. Suck it!

  101. greysolon says: Mar 21, 2012 1:07 PM

    Good. Glad Payton and Loomis got suspended. Im sure the Saints were hoping to have Williams take the major hit as scapegoat.

  102. larrybrown43 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:07 PM

    It’s not so much of about the crime. It’s the cover up. Don’t lie Saints and don’t lie and continue doing what brought on the investigation. You got what you deserved. Very arrogant management.

  103. asublimeday says: Mar 21, 2012 1:07 PM

    Who dey? Roger Goodell.

  104. hairpie says: Mar 21, 2012 1:07 PM

    The only reason they didnt lose their first round pick is because they didnt have one.

  105. somekat says: Mar 21, 2012 1:08 PM

    For the guy who said “they better sign Brees and get some good press locally”, the GM is suspended for 8 weeks. Who is going to negotiate the contract?

  106. cotts1 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:08 PM

    Anyone who thinks the spygate was equal or worse than the bounties is a fool. Bounties can end someones career/livelihood. The Pats were just filming hand signals that could be seen by everyone. Spygate surely deserved its punishment but it doesn’t compare to bounties. I’m not a Pats fan.

  107. steeltuff says: Mar 21, 2012 1:08 PM

    Not really surprised. We all saw this coming, especially with the fines and suspensions for over-zealous hits. Goodell has a legacy to protect, plus he wants no injured ex-players suing the league over bounties. Vilma should get at least 4 games too.

  108. thatoneguy17 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:08 PM

    Can’t wait for Brees to pull a Manning next year!

  109. harperquinn says: Mar 21, 2012 1:08 PM

    There must be some hardcore evidence against Sean Payton in particular for Goodell to suspend him for a full season. That is insane. Now I am REALLY curious to see what’s in those thousands of documents collected in the investigation.

    I can’t help but wonder if there something big connected to that agent Ornstein.

  110. thraiderskin says: Mar 21, 2012 1:08 PM

    What could you possibly mean “more to come”? That is insane and I don’t know how I really feel about it.

  111. sschmiggles says: Mar 21, 2012 1:08 PM

    Who dat gonna coach dem Saints?

  112. santolonius says: Mar 21, 2012 1:09 PM

    hey writers… find out how this affects loomis negotiating with brees for a contract?? is he suspended until week nine or does his suspension and payton’s start at week one? i assume the latter.

  113. southpaw2k says: Mar 21, 2012 1:09 PM

    Yikes….that’s layin’ down the law big time. I wonder who will run the team this season with Payton suspended. And how this will affect Brees’ contract negotiations.

  114. execut1oner says: Mar 21, 2012 1:09 PM

    Who dat going to beat dem saints…. Everyone!!!!!!

  115. jason9696 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:09 PM

    Looks good on the Aints. LOL

  116. tuckfanforlife says: Mar 21, 2012 1:09 PM

    they should of lost a few 1st round picks

  117. bigperm33 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:09 PM

    Goodell is out of control. This is an absurd penalty and shockingly severe. If this were a criminal trial, the penalty would quickly be overturned for being cruel and unusual.

    If NFL coaches and players have any backbone, any current/former coach or player who ever did anything similar needs to come forward and say this was common. Maybe it should stop, but just because the Saints got caught doesn’t mean you take away their season by suspending their coach for the year. It is a commissioner with no check to his power and it is a commissioner not qualified to handle such power. This man is leading the NFL on a bad path and if he winds up in the job for 15-20 years, he will do much more harm to the league than good.

  118. scottieplongballs says: Mar 21, 2012 1:09 PM

    ‘aints shoulda got the T-Wolves treatment! That woulda tought em. For those who think the bounties r fair game are idiots. This is Professional Football. Not the mafia

  119. sterilizecromartie says: Mar 21, 2012 1:09 PM

    This whole situation has been overblown from the very start, especially by the media. So the players got compensated for big hits… so what? Just because the word “bounty” got dragged into the equation everyone suddenly gets appauled. What a joke.

  120. nflfan555 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:10 PM

    salary cap gate – kinda of silly

    spy gate – please

    bounty gate – BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  121. unclenasty says: Mar 21, 2012 1:10 PM

    Karma is a bitch…this whole fiasco is payback for Payton and Brees going for the yardage record with the game already in hand….especially when the next game was at home anyway. There was no excuse for that.

  122. whythecardinals says: Mar 21, 2012 1:10 PM

    Looks like the saints got a taste of “C R U N K”

  123. troofbtold says: Mar 21, 2012 1:10 PM

    Who Dat gonna coach them Saints?!

  124. axespray says: Mar 21, 2012 1:11 PM

    Overkill…
    May as well put an asterik on the 2012 season…
    Punish Buddy Ryan’s Eagles on top of it.
    smh…. Ray Lewis stabs a guy….

  125. jason1214 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:11 PM

    Saints meet the NFL’s boot

  126. tramonisland says: Mar 21, 2012 1:11 PM

    panthers are now the favorites to win the nfc south!

  127. biggerballz says: Mar 21, 2012 1:11 PM

    perfect!

  128. youbi06 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:11 PM

    Goodell should probably suspend the entire NFL. Plus, you just give the best bounty the Saints defense could expect!!!

  129. northerntanned says: Mar 21, 2012 1:11 PM

    This is more to do with the Saints having the audacity to ignore the almighty Goddell. This so-called crime is much ado about nothing as was spygate. Goddell continues to be a joke of a commissioner.

  130. holdthemayo123 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:12 PM

    Circumventing the salary cap with illegal payments is cheating.

  131. nflfan555 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:12 PM

    They need a new face of the Franchise someone with Integrity!! Sounds ike Drew Brees price just went way the bleep up !!!!

  132. rl52hof says: Mar 21, 2012 1:12 PM

    Not saying I disagree with any of this, but why is it that the GM that was specifically instructed to end the program by the owner, and lied to the NFL only got 8 games, yet Payton got a whole year? Why not suspend both for the year?

  133. godzilla111111 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:12 PM

    More info please.

  134. andyreidisfat says: Mar 21, 2012 1:12 PM

    This is dumb. As if everyone else doesn’t do it. Goodell just fired two coaches basicly. Goodel needs to be removed for the good of the nfl.

    Taking away picks or salary cap or whatever is fine, suspending a coach for a couple games is ok too. But most likely ending two guys jobs is to much, especially when we all know this happens on almost every team

  135. linkinxr says: Mar 21, 2012 1:13 PM

    Blitz in preseason made no sense now it does. A little harsh but Peyton got short end of the stick. Looms doomed the saints and didn’t follow orders of the owner. Appeals coming soon!!!! Gregg Williams got the what he deserved!

  136. hedleykow says: Mar 21, 2012 1:13 PM

    Losing head coach for a year still isn’t as harsh a punishment as it will be for whoever gets stuck with Tebow.

  137. zampft says: Mar 21, 2012 1:13 PM

    glad to hear this… watching the Saints take cheap shot after cheap shot on Warner, Favre and Manning in the ’09 postseason was really sickening.

  138. yssupasigninnamnotyep says: Mar 21, 2012 1:13 PM

    Still not enough…Payton should have been suspended indefinitely also and they should have had to forfeit their first round draft picks for the next 5 years starting in 2013.

  139. citynative says: Mar 21, 2012 1:13 PM

    Geux home. For all the Saints fans who have commenting on Niner message articles for no reason – karma. You are still bitter about the playoff loss, then you offend your elite franchise qb with the lack of a contract offer, and now this. Wow.

  140. wvugrad00 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:14 PM

    This has preventing future lawsuits from players written all over it. The NFL has to show they are protecting their players, and there is no way in hell they can have it out there that potential bounties are part of the game.

  141. omegalh says: Mar 21, 2012 1:14 PM

    Not only is it bounties. It is also a cap violation. No one talks about that.

    SB should be taken away? Not sure but Peyton would get another trophy.

  142. pacific123ocean says: Mar 21, 2012 1:14 PM

    The penalties will be appealed…and the appeal will be denied.

  143. sparky151 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:15 PM

    NBC just reported Saints lose 2nd round picks in 2012 and 2013.

  144. shawnc16 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:15 PM

    stadanko says:Mar 21, 2012 12:52 PM

    That’s insane. That’s technically a longer suspension than Michael Vick got for federal gambling charges, Ben Roth got for 2 rape accusations, and Bellicheck got for ACTUALLY CHEATING. Goodell has lost it, if he ever had it to begin with.

    ————————————————

    You feel Ben should get more for off the field Accusations that he was not found guilty of, than they should get for things that took place on the field that the investigation showed they actually done?

    I hate the steelers but Goodell has to come down harder for “on the field” violations since that’s what he is actually in charge of.

  145. jm91rs says: Mar 21, 2012 1:15 PM

    Super Harsh but deserved. The whole point of the punishment is to 1) end any other teams thoughts of doing this type of thing and 2) give the impression that player safety is the most important thing to the League offices.

    A year suspension will no doubt encourage other coaches to stop anything similar.

    To those saying it’s not enough, I’m sure you’re all Vikings fans. Get over it, it’s done, move on. Your team tried to buy a superbowl with brett favre, it didnt work. The punishment is incredibly severe, as was the crime. It all fits.

  146. Steeley McBeam says: Mar 21, 2012 1:15 PM

    They better hope Brees sticks around through all this…

  147. newagerocker says: Mar 21, 2012 1:16 PM

    Couldn’t have happened to a nicer HC!

  148. nepo784 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:16 PM

    So only suspensions but no fines or loss of draft picks…? Should be even worse for intentionally going out to injure opposing players. Sheer scumbags

  149. rexismybff says: Mar 21, 2012 1:16 PM

    “Per a league source, head coach Sean Payton has been suspended for the full year.”

    — Bill Belichick is laughing his butt off right about now.

  150. mullman7675 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:16 PM

    Good thing they have Spagnuolo on staff, he can take over for the season.

  151. gonzagylot00 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:16 PM

    And just like that, the NFC south is up for grabs next year.

    Go Panthers!

  152. nineroutsider says: Mar 21, 2012 1:16 PM

    Enough with the Hurricane comments…they are marginally funny, but it’s just not right to joke about that. I felt horrible to see Americans floating face down dead, I don’t see why we have to go there. Just remember that. Would you joke about the towers crashing down? Football is football and we all talk a lot of smack to each other, but let’s not go that far…

    I’m not a blowhard either, I just remember how awful I felt for them…

  153. brewcrewfan54 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:17 PM

    Seems excessive.

  154. westclaims says: Mar 21, 2012 1:18 PM

    Good, I love this. Hope the Saints enjoyed those hits on Favre and Warner. Now the Rams have a DC that can’t do his job. Cardinal fans are loving this.

  155. zonedogz says: Mar 21, 2012 1:18 PM

    And the next shoe to drop….Drew Brees asks for trade!

  156. axespray says: Mar 21, 2012 1:18 PM

    hairpie says:Mar 21, 2012 12:56 PM
    “Good job. Trying to influence the outcome of a game is CHEATING… unlike Spygate that gave the Pats “No competative advantage.””

    So Bounties decide the outcome of games?
    How so, Did it help Buddy Ryan’s Eagles win Playoff games? What’s the winning % of teams that run a bounty system? Does the bounty system prevent the saints offense from racking up 400 plus yards and 40 plus points?
    Did the bounty system force Favre to throw across his body?

  157. sportsinhd says: Mar 21, 2012 1:18 PM

    Garbage, just pure and utter garbage. Bounties did not give the Saints any tactical advantage during games. Yes, they risked player safety and broke the rules, they deserved to be punished for that, but not to this extent.

    Belichick not receiving even a one game suspension for outright cheating makes this decision non-sensical.

  158. newguy925 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:19 PM

    This is the NFL protecting the league against litigation. The NFL doesn’t condone intent to injure. The Saints did. If the NFL looks the other way they appear complicit. This is a CYA move.

  159. kosarsmyidol says: Mar 21, 2012 1:19 PM

    Without the cheap shots on Favre, the Saints wouldn’t have had the opportunity to win the Super Bowl. They were obviously playing dirty, and they have to pay the price for that. While I’m no fan of Goodell, he handled this case properly.

  160. rolldat09 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:20 PM

    Business as usual, that’s what is going to happen to the Saints. Haters are going to hate, and sob over their losses, and wonder what could have been. Point is, the NFL issued the punishment. We will accept it and come out smelling like a rose…let’s move on…deuces

  161. bunjy96 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:20 PM

    Vitt also suspended for 6 games and the Saints lost 2nd round draft picks in 2012 and 2113.

    On NFL.com

  162. cwmorga says: Mar 21, 2012 1:20 PM

    @tramonisland says: Mar 21, 2012 1:11 PM

    panthers are now the favorites to win the nfc south!
    —————-

    Oh wait, you’re serious.

    Let me laugh even harder.

    Saints will still win the South. Cupcake division.

  163. bunjy96 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:21 PM

    When the players list is released, I wonder if the IRS will go after them.

  164. darthsaint says: Mar 21, 2012 1:23 PM

    Wow, major scapegoating of the Saints. You other fans are simply believing what you want if you think the majority of NFL teams do EXACTLY what the Saints were doing. Multiple ex-players have admitted to such in the past several weeks of interviews.

    Goodell is 100% doing this to seem strict on player safety. Why is that…because the NFL has multiple lawsuits against it RIGHT NOW about this very subject.

    The best irony will be if the Saints can pull off the SB victory even with this. Having Goodell hand over the trophy…in New Orleans…while praising the team…NOTHING WOULD BE BETTER. =)

    The Saints got scapegoated for what the majority of this league does. Take off your team colored glasses for a second and realize this. And at least thank the Saints for taking it on the chin for what most of all our teams do every given Sunday.

  165. dublindemonszfl says: Mar 21, 2012 1:23 PM

    NOW the NFL will be watching closely as Payton is going to get caught involved with team activities during the suspension which will prolong it and eventually mean his end. Or he steps up and resigns so the Taints can go about their business without him.

    The Rams deserve a draft pick form the Taints!

  166. truths4all says: Mar 21, 2012 1:23 PM

    This punishment does not go far enough. The Evil Saints should forfeit their Super Bowl title and have that Super Bowl always noted with a huge asterik that the Saints cheated and systematically tried to maim other players all for dirty lucre. Its a business and they should have their salary cap level cut by 25% so they can’t contract and then corrupt decent players anymore. Heck, just suspend the Saints from playing period for an entire season. As for their fans, TOUGH! Show us how tough you are by not whimpering and take your punishment like tough guys. Yeah, sure, you wussies.

  167. brucebossnj says: Mar 21, 2012 1:23 PM

    Who Dat? Goddell, dat’s who! Well deserved New Orleans.

  168. deconjonesbitchslap says: Mar 21, 2012 1:23 PM

    cheaters forever! that seasons legacy tarnished forever! take that Saints, and Saints fans!

  169. Canned Heat says: Mar 21, 2012 1:23 PM

    holdthemayo123 says:Mar 21, 2012 1:12 PM

    Circumventing the salary cap with illegal payments is cheating.

    __________________________________

    Exactly…and this is why there’s such severe consequences. This is cheating on about 3 or 4 levels.

    If you think this is too harsh, you haven’t read the whole thing or need too. This is crooked to the core.

    You clowns yapping about Gooddell softening the game aren’t running the world’s top entertainment entity and also getting sued by your current, former, and soon to be future players every waking minute. Go watch soccer.

  170. TSizzleBallSoHard says: Mar 21, 2012 1:24 PM

    I think it wasn’t harsh enough. They should’ve lost drafts picks and the franchise tag.

  171. mnajb says: Mar 21, 2012 1:24 PM

    The Vikings and the Colts should be allowed to have a Re-Do 2009 Superbowl!!!!! (Can you imagine how crappy that game would be now?)

  172. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Mar 21, 2012 1:24 PM

    cwmorga says:Mar 21, 2012 1:05 PM

    @thankheavenfornumberseven says: Mar 21, 2012 12:57 PM

    When are they going to strip the Saints of the Super Bowl trophy and award it to the Vikings?
    ———————

    Don’t you mean the Colts?
    _________

    I’m conveniently assuming the Vikings would have beaten the Colts.

  173. giants56 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:25 PM

    Tiki is NOT flabbergasted!

  174. henryd3rd says: Mar 21, 2012 1:25 PM

    Has Drew Brees signed that franchise tag offer yet? Tom Benson might want to find himself another GM, coach and quarterback because it obvious this franchise is in big problem.

  175. ravensrooster94 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:25 PM

    Sounds like justified punishment to me, given that the Saints were aiding, abeting, and paying their defensive players to main players on other teams, and then LYING about it.

    They’re lucky with suspensions, fines, and loss of draft picks. What happened is perilously close to assault and battery.

  176. anonymouslyanonymouscommentor says: Mar 21, 2012 1:25 PM

    Good job Goodell…the only way to change the culture is to make people greatly fear the consequences.

  177. canjura says: Mar 21, 2012 1:25 PM

    amazing how the nazi admins on this website are now a days. my last 5 or 6 posts havent been posted, cute.

  178. happster says: Mar 21, 2012 1:25 PM

    Wow, harsh! Come on…leave ‘em alone…their defenses never hurt anyone!

  179. theallegedone says: Mar 21, 2012 1:25 PM

    Drew Brees should automatically be awarded to the Vikings.

  180. Frazier28/7 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:25 PM

    Suck on Dat!

  181. ezpkns34 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:26 PM

    I don’t understand how a GM suspension for half a season works

    Is someone else forced to make the decisions on releases/signings or what?

  182. ronin36 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:26 PM

    Interesting news.

    I asked the rhetorical question a while back. What is more important to the NFL? Football as entertainment? Or the integrity of the game?

    I think Goodell came down somewhere in the middle. If he was all for the entertainment, the fines would have been lighter. If he was all for the integrity of the game, the SB title could’ve been pulled.

    We’ve still to hear the nitty gritty details. Especially player fines.

    I just hope the league doesn’t pull the “8 games, but if he behaves, it’ll only be 6 games” BS.. Like we’ve seen so many times in the past, why even say “8 games” (just an example folks) when you know, and everybody with a pulse knows it’ll only be the “if he behaves, 6 games” option.

  183. happster says: Mar 21, 2012 1:27 PM

    I think the more embarassing component to this is that they needed extra cash incentives to do their job.

  184. mobuccsfan says: Mar 21, 2012 1:27 PM

    I guess no draft picks or fines. I’m surprised by that. I figured there would be some kind of fines levied if nothing else, against the Saints team/owner. I figured that some of the players involved, especially Vilma would get an 8-game to a 1-year suspension and have to pay fines as well. Oh well, I think it would be funny if Brees refuses to sign and demands a trade, although is he not under contract right now? If he hasn’t signed his tender and technically isn’t with the team, then wouldn’t he technically be a free agent, free to sign anywhere? Talk about icing on the cake for this off-season. Wouldn’t it be funny if he ended up in San Fran or Miami after all…wow. Could someone explain to me better what I’m missing that would keep that from happening. I will admit some ignorance on my part and not familiar with the franchise tag/tender, etc. I do think it would be quite comical, of course I’m also a Buccaneers fan so I’m biased!

  185. weepingjebus says: Mar 21, 2012 1:27 PM

    Hmm, and I was vigorously downdinged in the past for suggesting Williams would be banned. I guess “indefinite suspension” is something completely different.

  186. thehoff1 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:27 PM

    Drew Brees just gained a ton of leverage on the new contract he wants

  187. johnnybuc says: Mar 21, 2012 1:28 PM

    How in hell is Greg Williams stiil allowed the opportunity to coach in the NFL? An indefinite suspension means nothing! This dirtbag was handing envelopes filled with cash to players for going out and trying to injure their opponents! THEN HE LIED ABOUT IT!!! This guy belongs behind bars!

  188. 7ransponder says: Mar 21, 2012 1:28 PM

    Anger and Bargaining stage of grief on display here from Saints fans. I’m drinking your tears for lunch and it’s delicious! Fans in Vikes land today are all smiling…

    Sounds like we’ve got another round of punishment coming later too that will likely involve draft picks. I surely hope those are given to the teams obviously affected as a form of reparation.

  189. FANof28 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:28 PM

    vicktator says:
    Mar 21, 2012 12:53 PM
    Mind you Belichick didn’t get a game. Cheating is much more detrimental to the game. Goodell should lose his job for this double-standard.

    ————————————————-

    Seriously? Look, I can almost guarentee you that every team in the league at one point or another filmed opponents to get a competative edge. The Pats got caught, and they were dealt with. Sounds like you’re just a salty Pats hater. A team that develops a program to single out players on every team, and maliciously try to hurt them to gain a competative edge is a thousand times worse for the game of football then taping other teams preparations. You;ve got to be kidding me. The suspensions are well deserved and fair. Now we can move on.

  190. neovenator250 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:29 PM

    The Payton suspension is a little too long. 6-8 game suspension, should have been enough. other than that, these punishments fit

  191. sb50 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:29 PM

    this is such crap there are NO bounties in the nfl. How on earth is there any evidence that the saints had bounties? the media just absolutely blew this situations to no end and of coarse everyone believes anything the media says. goodell just gave him a harsh suspention because if he didnt the media would ride him out of the nfl.

  192. rastaraider says: Mar 21, 2012 1:29 PM

    Damn what a punishment !!

    Paybacks a b!+$#

  193. memphissaintsfan says: Mar 21, 2012 1:30 PM

    I don’t actually remember anyone getting seriously injured due to this activity but this is the first I’ve heard of this and frankly, I’m embarrassed!!

  194. kacapaco says: Mar 21, 2012 1:30 PM

    Cool. For a franchised aimed to injure players, then lied then kept transgressing, this is way too soft. From now onwards we won’t have any bounty or lying. Good job GODell!

  195. bunkmcnulty says: Mar 21, 2012 1:30 PM

    Pretty clear message sent today.

    That should do it for the bounties!

    And for those of you who think it’s excessive, it’s about lying, not about the bounties. The hammer always comes done harder when you are not forthright upfront. A valuable lesson most of us with good parents taught us years ago!

  196. squared80 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:31 PM

    Only two 2nd round picks? WEAK.

  197. deathmonkey41 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:32 PM

    “This is no biggie, Saints can manage without Sean Payton for a year, Spag can carry the load for a while. Alright back to winning football! Geaux Saints!!”

    Yeah, hopefully he can leave the Saints in as good of shape as he left the Rams.

  198. turbodog1027 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:33 PM

    thatoneguy17 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:08 PM

    Can’t wait for Brees to pull a Manning next year!

    theallegedone says: Mar 21, 2012 1:25 PM

    Drew Brees should automatically be awarded to the Vikings.

    HAHAHA…2 IDIOTS

  199. golonger says: Mar 21, 2012 1:34 PM

    The NFL is a bunch of hypocrits…on one hand they promote rough and tough throwdowns like Ravens/Steelers rivalries (because it translates into ratings and $) yet they claim bounties are bad because they hurt people…give me a break…every defensive player is out to hurt his opponent. If anyone says differently,they are lying!

  200. deathmonkey41 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:34 PM

    mrconnors says:
    Mar 21, 2012 1:01 PM
    The Patriots never taped an opponents practice. The Boston Herald ran that story, it was proven false, and they issued an apology for it. Learn the facts.

    Actually, it couldn’t be proven because Goodall and his cronies destroyed all the evidence without letting anyone see it.

  201. sullijo1 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:35 PM

    Tebow to the Jets overshadows this.

    HA HA HA Jets

  202. stormbrewed says: Mar 21, 2012 1:36 PM

    Sean Payton’s legacy:
    1) You play QB as a scab player for the Bears.
    2) Catching a break, you get told by the league to end the bounty program; But you keep doing it.
    3) You get told by the league to keep gambler Ornstein out of the locker room; You not only continue to associate with him in the locker room (he was in there during the Super Bowl celebration), you even allow Ornstein to contribute cash to the bounty program.
    You get caught in lying to the league.

    One year is not enough. You should be booted out of the league.

    Wonder how many games you and Ornstein conspired to throw, Tough guy.

    Loser

  203. jnova80 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:36 PM

    WOW! Surprised he didn’t force them to release Drew Brees while he was at it.

  204. skimmer0220 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:36 PM

    What a joke, this proves on so many levels that Goodell is pulling for his good buddy in New England, they blatantly cheated and won 3 super bowls doing so, The Saints never cheated and they get slapped with a much bigger punishment, I’m not saying they didn’t get what they deserved I’m saying that if this go’s on any further New England must be stripped up all there Super Bowl’s and given to the other team they played because now that they can’t cheat anymore how many Super Bowl’s have they won? and how many have they played in?

    nuff said

  205. shaggytoodle says: Mar 21, 2012 1:36 PM

    If you want to mess with other peoples potential to make a living to support there family.

    You deserve some pretty hard consequences.

  206. gmen1987 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:36 PM

    Goodell once again showed why he is the greatest sports commisioner in history and why he is the People’s Commissioner.

  207. sj39 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:37 PM

    Would you idiots stop with thr “Super Bowl win should be stripped”? That’s impossible, it’s over. Otherwise the Pats would have had three taken from them.

  208. eaglebobby says: Mar 21, 2012 1:37 PM

    bigperm33–what’s wrong with the punishment? You think they don’t deserve it for ADMITTING, OF COURSE AFTER THEY GOT CAUGHT, that they were paying money to players to intentionally injure other players?

    Linkinxr–there won’t be any appeals. How could there be when Payton essentially admitted it went on and apoligized for it, hoping to get a slap on the wrist.

    Sena Payton was the head coach of this team–when he found out it was going on, he should have stopped it–he didn’t. He therefore failed in his managerial role as the head coach.

    And for those who say, Goodell should “punish the Buddy Ryan Eagles”–please–do you actually believe they had a bounty on a loud mouthed kicker for goodness sake??

  209. theytukrjobs says: Mar 21, 2012 1:39 PM

    Really a slap on the wrist though considering the magnitude of the violations. Cheating the CBA with an additional financial incentive system, lying about for years, and continuing to administer the program. To me the worst part is lying when questioned about it and continuing to do it. That is just hard to fathom that they would actually do that.

    Be interesting to see how they are hit with draft choices and stuff like that. In my opinion the league should go easy on the players because it was the coaches running the show. Can’t realistically expect players to disobey a coach, especially a well respected guy like Williams.

  210. mattdaddy7 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:40 PM

    I believe Gregg Williams has a bounty out on Roger Goodell right about now…

  211. billsfan1 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:42 PM

    i think this is a perfect punishment.. how can you say “strip them of the super bowl” unlike video taping signals, this doesnt actuallly effect the outcome of the game… this is worse in the sense of sportsmanship however, and in an effort to protect players this was bad….

    videotaping of other teams nuances actually helped NE win… DOnt believe me? havent won a super bowl since they were busted…nd i am not advocating it but if either team should have been stripped of a title, it should be NE.

    NO on the other hand, took sportsmanship to a disgusting level. I am disapointed players didnt get punished but this was Williams brainchild so he got the worst of it, rightfully so

  212. proudwhodat says: Mar 21, 2012 1:44 PM

    Hey Viking crybabies. After all of this, you STILL don’t have a Super Bowl win and we do. We won’t like this but we will move on and we won’t keep crying about this years from now like y’all like to do.

  213. 704fan says: Mar 21, 2012 1:45 PM

    Although this is harsh, it sends a message to the rest of the league. If any other team is discovered having this same system in place, and lying about it to an extent, their punishment will be worse.

  214. sasquash20 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:45 PM

    What a bunch of Tinker Bells you all are. You clearly never played football. Bunch of soft sissy girls you all are. I not even a Saints fan, but unlike all of you I have a set of balls.

  215. iluvbears says: Mar 21, 2012 1:47 PM

    Now, how about fining the organization as a whole, maybe like a million bucks and taking away some picks, say three number ones? Its the least that should happen, IMO.

  216. zn0rseman says: Mar 21, 2012 1:48 PM

    Slap on the wrist.

    No draft picks forfeited, no players suspended, nobody looking into the Ornatein/mob connection, the Vikings are uncompensated for being robbed of a Super Bowl, and worst of all… no NFL officials are even being looked at when clearly at least one of them was on the take.

    Fail.

  217. dalfanforever says: Mar 21, 2012 1:48 PM

    I expected something…but I didn’t expect a whole season! WOW!

  218. glac1 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:49 PM

    A slap on the wrist.

  219. xxsweepthelegxx says: Mar 21, 2012 1:51 PM

    skimmer0220 says:
    Mar 21, 2012 1:36 PM
    What a joke, this proves on so many levels that Goodell is pulling for his good buddy in New England, they blatantly cheated and won 3 super bowls doing so, The Saints never cheated and they get slapped with a much bigger punishment, I’m not saying they didn’t get what they deserved I’m saying that if this go’s on any further New England must be stripped up all there Super Bowl’s and given to the other team they played because now that they can’t cheat anymore how many Super Bowl’s have they won? and how many have they played in?

    nuff said
    ——————
    Bro, this paragraph is suck crap in so many ways. We get it, you dont like NE, sorry YOUR team isn’t successful. I like how you point out “how many SBs have they once since?” You act like winning a SB is so easy for teams..And to answer your question, they’ve played in 2 since spyGAY happened, losing both to the Giants. Is it karma that they’ve lost both SB, IDK, but you act the Pats have gone 3-13 every year since 07. And what is NOT illegal about what the Saints did? Enlighten me.

  220. patsfiend says: Mar 21, 2012 1:55 PM

    All you who think the Patriots got off easy and would not have got hit this hard if it were them with the bounty system…

    Bull-SHEET! … if this happened in New England, it would have been worse, there would have been a national outcry from the media and senators, a class-action lawsuit from Jets fans, and Belichick would have gotten the hammer big time. BIG time.

    AND, Kraft would have long ago issued statements and made pre-moves, probably letting Belichick go, even before the fines came out. Kraft is a man of integrity.

    AND, Belichick, for all his needling of the NFL and Goodell, and for all his pushing the rules to the limits to try and win games would never, ever, in 100 years support a “bounty” system with the intent to INJURE opposing QB’s. Do you think for one second that the Pats would ever put something like this out for Peyton Manning? Do you think their captain Tedy Bruschi would have put money into that pool?

    If so, you don’t know the Patriots at all, and you’re just a jealous / blind hater.

  221. andyreidisarrogantandfat says: Mar 21, 2012 1:56 PM

    St. Roger of Goodell strikes again. Everyone has some sort of system like this set up. and now he is shocked by this. I know it has to be severe because it got out but this is hypocritical.

  222. bigbluefan1 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:58 PM

    I guess its true do not do the crime if you can not do the time

    Good move by the NFL like most I am tired of hearing about poor NO

    They built a city below sea level and got hit with a storm what a shock

    Other towns and countries have had worse happen but NO is a special case those poor poor people.

    Remove the leves and let mother nature have her way with it

    About time the NFL stopped treating NO like a special case
    Keep the trophy next storm it will wash away into the gulf

    Welcome back the NO AINTS

  223. Tornadoes28 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:00 PM

    I’m surprised at all the comments supporting the suspension or asking for more. Geez people, this is football. Don’t deny that every defensive player does say that want to knock an opponent out of the stadium with a crushing hit. Every defensive player wants to “crush” their opponent with every hit. That’s what we pay for. Don’t be hypocrites. There was no cheating here. What a joke.

    If you think this penalty was justified, then go watch baseball.

  224. sdelmonte says: Mar 21, 2012 2:01 PM

    Good.

  225. rams1999 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:01 PM

    Honestly, videotaping is worse. The NFL quickly swept the patriots “false sense of winning” under the rug. Why?? but im glad the NFL came down on the saints. As a RAM fan, i’m very disapointed . At least we have Dave Mcginnis and Chick Cecil .

  226. crustyone72 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:02 PM

    All the other teams that have similar programs are hoping they aren’t caught now, but I doubt another teams DC is dumb enough to run the program.

    Good thing their defense sucked, because they may have shut down the franchise if they were a top 5 defense.

  227. cowboycjn says: Mar 21, 2012 2:03 PM

    mobuccsfan says:
    Mar 21, 2012 1:27 PM
    I guess no draft picks or fines. I’m surprised by that. I figured there would be some kind of fines levied if nothing else, against the Saints team/owner. I figured that some of the players involved, especially Vilma would get an 8-game to a 1-year suspension and have to pay fines as well. Oh well, I think it would be funny if Brees refuses to sign and demands a trade, although is he not under contract right now? If he hasn’t signed his tender and technically isn’t with the team, then wouldn’t he technically be a free agent, free to sign anywhere? Talk about icing on the cake for this off-season. Wouldn’t it be funny if he ended up in San Fran or Miami after all…wow. Could someone explain to me better what I’m missing that would keep that from happening. I will admit some ignorance on my part and not familiar with the franchise tag/tender, etc. I do think it would be quite comical, of course I’m also a Buccaneers fan so I’m biased!
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – -Sort of explains the Bucs – – –
    Didn’t you see that the Saints team got a $500,000 fine? Didn’t you see it said the player punishments are still in the works and are coming down the pipeline? Man research info before shooting off at the mouth not knowing what you are talking about.

  228. dadsfavorite says: Mar 21, 2012 2:05 PM

    This just in as the Saints are punished:

    Since Drew Bees hasn’t signed the FT; Miami offers a 110 million contact to Bees for 5 years.

  229. tmatelski says: Mar 21, 2012 2:05 PM

    Bounty is the term being thrown around by the media when in actuality it sounds like a bonus program for big hits. No worse than when I played football in pewees and high school except all we got were stickers (and we couldn’t have been prouder to have a helmet full of “em). These guys are well paid pros I don’t see anything wrong with them pooling their ca$h together and paying off for big hits.

  230. matthewcarlson1 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:05 PM

    They got off easy. just like I knew they would.. bull

  231. riccismiles says: Mar 21, 2012 2:07 PM

    This just reads like some ghetto/gangsta/mafia: “SNITCHES AINT ALLOWED” punishment! We ALL know its football. WE ALL know its violent and played by people who have no issue releasing their violence. BUT do NOT ever let it get out that what we know is true.
    Not like any of us ever played football out here in the real world. Nah, none of us.. we are SHOCKED by what we are hearing! BOUNTIES! in sports? Say it aint so.. or at least dont say it..thats what the NFL is trying to get across. BE QUIET BOYS mom might hear what you are up to!

  232. jimyritz says: Mar 21, 2012 2:08 PM

    The league had been watching and Payton lied to the league….This was a major embarrassment especially with hearings over concussions…The Saints paid…

  233. patsfiend says: Mar 21, 2012 2:12 PM

    tmatelski says:
    Mar 21, 2012 2:05 PM
    Bounty is the term being thrown around by the media when in actuality it sounds like a bonus program for big hits. No worse than when I played football in pewees and high school except all we got were stickers (and we couldn’t have been prouder to have a helmet full of “em). These guys are well paid pros I don’t see anything wrong with them pooling their ca$h together and paying off for big hits.
    ———–
    Yeah, but did you get cash rewards for guys getting carted off the field… did you have the intent to injure them and potentially ruin their careers?

  234. ericklamb says: Mar 21, 2012 2:14 PM

    Well Now are they going to go after all the other teams that did the same thing but did not get caught. I mean Michael Vick got off with less for what he did. These are big boys that get paid lots of money and I am sure the Saints are not the only ones that did this.

  235. longassnamethatyoudontcareabout says: Mar 21, 2012 2:15 PM

    Take that you stupid visor wearing D bag.

  236. klunge says: Mar 21, 2012 2:16 PM

    The punishment should have been to replace the GM and HC with Matt Millen and Rod Marinelli for 3 seasons. Which is harsher than just leaving them vacant. Sharpen your picks, Saints!

  237. iamwhodat says: Mar 21, 2012 2:16 PM

    Saints fans we will be ok

  238. godofwine330 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:17 PM

    A year for Payton seems excessive, but the taught me in the military, “You can pass RESPONSIBILITY, but you cannot pass ACCOUNTABILITY.

    The head coach is accountable for everything that goes down, even if it goes down under his nose without his knowledge. With accountability, ignorance is no excuse. Anything that I did as a Storekeeper Second Class, my Chief Petty Officer was held accountable for. Of course I never saw it, but any screw ups I had he had to pay for (luckily I didn’t make much during my time in the service).

  239. skids003 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:22 PM

    I bet the Saints now have a bounty on Peter King. I’d hate to see the next time he prances into their locker room.

  240. Deb says: Mar 21, 2012 2:23 PM

    Expected the year for Payton, but honestly, expected a lifetime ban for Williams. His suspension certainly needs to last longer than Payton’s.

  241. FANof28 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:23 PM

    sb50 says:
    Mar 21, 2012 1:29 PM
    this is such crap there are NO bounties in the nfl. How on earth is there any evidence that the saints had bounties? the media just absolutely blew this situations to no end and of coarse everyone believes anything the media says. goodell just gave him a harsh suspention because if he didnt the media would ride him out of the nfl.

    ——————————————–

    Uhhhh except for Gregg Williams admitting there was a bounty program you mean? The media didn’t just create this story to get the Saints suspended.

  242. villagementality says: Mar 21, 2012 2:26 PM

    I can’t believe the idiocy of folks up on here implying this behavior is acceptable because it happens as early as middle school and high school! That make it right?

    ANYONE who endorses this, looks the other way, rewards it, plans it and identifies players as targets and perpetrators should be FIRED IMMEDIATELY AND NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY/MANAGE/OWN/COACH FOOTBALL AGAIN!

    By theGrace of God, no one was killed. Yet how many dream/careers could be killed by this insanity? Purposely taking out another person and getting paid for it?

    Nothing but scum not fit for the lowest rung on the food chain. Pitiful…….

  243. FANof28 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:27 PM

    Also, people need to stop saying Vick got of with a lesser punishment. Guy went to prsion for two years, and forever will be looked at as a dog killer, no matter what he does his image is forever tarnished. Oh yea, and did i mention he was in Prison? Last I heard, that place isn’t quite a vacation.

  244. captaintriumph says: Mar 21, 2012 2:28 PM

    I don’t feel the slightest bit sorry for Sean Payton and the Saints. They cheated and got a Super Bowl they didn’t deserve. As I’ve been saying for 2+ years, the Saints, with help from the refs, only beat the Vikings because they cheated. Saints fans, Packer fans, and others kept telling me to quit crying. I kept saying I don’t cry, I just tell it like it is. And now I’ve been proven correct. But it wasn’t just the late cheap shots. Check the overtime officiating. 5 terrible calls to ensure Favre never got the ball.

  245. coleman121280 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:33 PM

    BANISHMENT is the only thing that got through to MLB after Pete Rosell was caught for gambling.

    In this situation were actually talking about contracted assault and the NFL is only talking suspension….

    what a joke.

  246. rhf123 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:34 PM

    This was the right answer. good job Commish.

  247. dcviking says: Mar 21, 2012 2:35 PM

    proudwhodat says: Mar 21, 2012 1:44 PM

    Hey Viking crybabies. After all of this, you STILL don’t have a Super Bowl win and we do. We won’t like this but we will move on and we won’t keep crying about this years from now like y’all like to do.

    ——————————

    Careful, all the tears in New Orleans today might cause those levees to break again…but I guess you’d get another Superbowl out of that….

  248. tmatelski says: Mar 21, 2012 2:38 PM

    Yeah, but did you get cash rewards for guys getting carted off the field… did you have the intent to injure them and potentially ruin their careers?

    No cash rewards for us then just stickers for big plays and hits we would hit the other guy as hard as possible to get the extra sticker and cheap shots weren’t allowed. I don’t think the Saints had any intent of laying cheap shots,(and I don’t think they did). Any defensive player in the league will tell you his job is to seperate the offensive player from the ball or stop him. There is nothing wrong with wrong with getting a bonus for a big hit.

  249. doubleogator says: Mar 21, 2012 2:39 PM

    I’m sure glad there are 31 other teams and coaches in the league that play fair….

  250. mjkelly77 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:39 PM

    Had to do something. The palayers want to collect extra money via bounties whils they’re playing. Then after retirement, they sue the NFL for all of the hard hits. Give me a break.

  251. dcviking says: Mar 21, 2012 2:40 PM

    To all the people who are against any punishment for the Saints, would it be OK if a team brought in a “designated” player who intentionally went after the knees of the other teams quarterback every week — during warm ups, during the game, whenever.

    He would be some D-3 no talent player who wouldn’t play in the NFL otherwise, and would likely get suspended for the hit and then cut.

    Would that be OK? If not, based on your logic, why not?

  252. modellforprez says: Mar 21, 2012 2:40 PM

    atta boy mr.commish who dey think gonna put bounty on king favre. GOODELL FOR PRESIDENT FORGET ART MODELL MY OTHER HERO.

  253. jagerbmb says: Mar 21, 2012 2:41 PM

    Wow… That left more than a few marks.

  254. deathmonkey41 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:51 PM

    crustyone72 says:
    Mar 21, 2012 2:02 PM
    All the other teams that have similar programs are hoping they aren’t caught now, but I doubt another teams DC is dumb enough to run the program.

    Something tells me that if the Patriots were running a similiar program, they’re not all that worried about now. At least they can count on their meat puppet to destroy the evidence.

  255. vikingdoode says: Mar 21, 2012 2:52 PM

    They can keep the Super Bowl trophy because it’s tainted….. Just punishment, should took the first rounders away… Villma better hide the IRS is coming!

    New Orleans Taints

    Id be embarrassed if I was a Taint fan!

  256. deathmonkey41 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:54 PM

    Is it too late to bring Taglibue back?

  257. rooney24 says: Mar 21, 2012 3:00 PM

    If they wanted the GM suspension to mean anything, it should have run from now through September, when the GMs do their work. What does a GM even do in season that an 8 game suspension will mean anything?

  258. tmatelski says: Mar 21, 2012 3:07 PM

    villagementality says:
    Mar 21, 2012 2:26 PM
    I can’t believe the idiocy of folks up on here implying this behavior is acceptable because it happens as early as middle school and high school! That make it right?

    Nothing but scum not fit for the lowest rung on the food chain
    ————————————————–It happens at all levels of the game from peewee to the pros and has been happening for almost as long as the game of football has been played. If you play hard and hit hard you got on the field. That was your reward, the added respect from your teammates for giving AND receiving the BIG hit It is what makes this game the most watched game in the country and the reason why we love it. I don’t know about you but I would never pay or be a fan of flag football. I want to see THE hard hitting game that I grew up playing and learning lessons of how to win with class and lose with dignity and how to work harder than the next guy.

  259. f0rem4n says: Mar 21, 2012 3:19 PM

    Those dirty Lions!

  260. klunge says: Mar 21, 2012 3:22 PM

    dadsfavorite says:
    Mar 21, 2012 2:05 PM
    This just in as the Saints are punished:
    Since Drew Bees hasn’t signed the FT; Miami offers a 110 million contact to Bees for 5 years.
    ————————————————-

    Nice theory, too bad it’s impossible since Brees was hit with the “exclusive rights” tag, which means he cannot play for anyone else, period. He either takes the tag salary, makes a new deal, or sits out the year.

  261. johne7 says: Mar 21, 2012 3:24 PM

    How is their action different than you or I paying a hit man to injure a neighbor? Why do they get off so easily?

  262. sabatimus says: Mar 21, 2012 3:37 PM

    Only thing that Goodell failed to do was make the owner sell the team. $500k is hardly a slap on the wrist for a guy who said he supported his coaches–liars, coverup-artists, and arrogant blatant cheaters.

  263. sabatimus says: Mar 21, 2012 3:42 PM

    To those of you complaining about the lack of banning first-round picks: I don’t think the Saints HAVE 1st rounders this year or the next. I thought they traded them away or something.

  264. deezil62 says: Mar 21, 2012 3:48 PM

    ok, I understand some of you want their Super Bowl win forfitted due to the bounties the Saints had on opposing players BUT, who does the trophy go to? the Colts? I don’t think so……..remember, the bounty was being used all season…and throughout the playoffs…..that being said, without the bounty, do the Saints play with as much ferocity and beat all these teams to reach the Super Bowl? unfortunately their Super Bowl run is tainted but still theirs in my opinion!

  265. titansfanvol says: Mar 21, 2012 3:55 PM

    Surprised by all the sickos posting about the hurricane. People were killed, innocent people. Sickos. Hoping this will make others think before they offer a bounty or anything similar. It is a game and sadly this makes it tainted.

  266. kate773 says: Mar 21, 2012 4:03 PM

    rams1999 says:
    Mar 21, 2012 2:01 PM
    Honestly, videotaping is worse. The NFL quickly swept the patriots “false sense of winning” under the rug. Why?? but im glad the NFL came down on the saints. As a RAM fan, i’m very disapointed . At least we have Dave Mcginnis and Chick Cecil .
    ———————-

    So videotaping hand signals that everyone can see from an illegal spot (which is the actual rule they broke) is worse than setting up a program to pay players to hurt other players and then lie to the NFL for 3 years about it? There are players who could have been seriously hurt by this practice. And the “everybody does it” excuse didn’t work for Pats fans. It’s not going to work now. I can understand as a Pats fan why you would want some excuse as to why your team lost. But spygate doesn’t change the history books.

  267. kate773 says: Mar 21, 2012 4:06 PM

    sabatimus says:
    Mar 21, 2012 3:42 PM
    To those of you complaining about the lack of banning first-round picks: I don’t think the Saints HAVE 1st rounders this year or the next. I thought they traded them away or something.
    ——————–

    Traded this years pick to the Pats.

  268. bigashish81 says: Mar 21, 2012 4:14 PM

    Thumbs up if you would bang Kate Upton

  269. justafanofitall says: Mar 21, 2012 4:30 PM

    Seems to me a few other things should occur:

    Apology to the players they injured…starting with Kurt Warner and Brett Favre.

    Owner should fire GM Loomis….how can he trust the individual to handle the team as he directs when he lied to him about stopping the bounties continued with it. What else has he lied about….seems I wouldn’t want this guy around. The bad PR should be enough to fire them all.

  270. friscokid49 says: Mar 21, 2012 4:37 PM

    Wait, let me get this straight. A team can cheat to gain a competative advantage (video tape) and only get a FINE?

    I dont agree with the bounty the Saints had going but the Patriots were CHEATING!

  271. jb4820 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:16 PM

    I agree 100% with this. Bounties that give cash to players for putting another player on a stretcher has never been part of the game. Do they also stand disingenuously over the strapped down player in prayer as well with all the others on the field?? Payton knew about it and should have stopped it. They all should have. Disgusting and not part of what the NFL should be.

  272. gimmeabruschi says: Mar 21, 2012 5:24 PM

    This is a slap on the wrist.

  273. gimmeabruschi says: Mar 21, 2012 5:27 PM

    friscokid49 says: Mar 21, 2012 4:37 PM

    Wait, let me get this straight. A team can cheat to gain a competative advantage (video tape) and only get a FINE?

    I dont agree with the bounty the Saints had going but the Patriots were CHEATING!

    ________________________________

    Stop being stupid. Taping from an unapproved location isn’t as bad as offering a reward to assault and preferably maim somebody.

  274. Tom Paine says: Mar 21, 2012 5:34 PM

    The irony is that the Saints defense was never that good. The Saints achieved what they did by having an incredible offense. Their defense has been mediocre at best over this period.

  275. indianajones15 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:50 PM

    Sean Payton is a disgrace for knowing about it and letting it happen. One year is not enough re: suspension. The ‘Ain’ts find another way to disgrace the NFL, before it was losing, now is is this disgrace.

  276. nofunleague says: Mar 21, 2012 5:59 PM

    The Saints new uniforms will be striped with five numbers and their Topps trading cards will have front and side view photos

  277. pongonfl says: Mar 21, 2012 6:05 PM

    All they had to do was enforce the rules in game, the Saints lose, the message is sent then that play off football rules are the same when it comes to late hits and roughing the passer and hitting with the helmet.
    But Gooodell loved that game so much that he REBOOKED it for the first game of the next season.

    as much as I hated that game and the travesty of officiating that it showcased, the Saints just did what they were allowed to do, and all this bounty stuff is just hypocritical by the league.

    It was obvious to anyone who watched the game they were very disciplined in their breaking of the rules, and the league rewarded them for that.
    So they executed the game plan of Williams, he never hid it.

    But it is true, the saints D was not good, no good pass rush, no good corners, just punish the other team till they break down.

  278. whoopteedo says: Mar 21, 2012 11:00 PM

    New Orleans Saints!! The best way to put this controversity behind you is GUT IT OUT week in and week out in the face of all the publicity and boos that will greet you until the 2013 Super Bowl is over. Determine today TO DO IT, MAN. RIDE YOUR PRIDE and win. Your play will determine the ultimate impact of all this. CONTROL YOUR OWN DESTINY!

  279. bikerhal says: Mar 22, 2012 8:49 AM

    While I support the need for the punishment, I do think the league should have done it in a way that would not have punished the fans. As a fan, I feel like I am being punished. Why not take away half his salary for two or three years instead? If they suspend players later, we could have our entire secondary out. Who cares about the fans here? If I were Benson, I would fire Payton and Loomis, re-sign Brees, and start over fresh.

  280. gavriloprincip33 says: Mar 22, 2012 8:51 AM

    godofwine330 says:
    Mar 21, 2012 2:17 PM
    A year for Payton seems excessive, but the taught me in the military, “You can pass RESPONSIBILITY, but you cannot pass ACCOUNTABILITY.

    The head coach is accountable for everything that goes down, even if it goes down under his nose without his knowledge. With accountability, ignorance is no excuse. Anything that I did as a Storekeeper Second Class, my Chief Petty Officer was held accountable for. Of course I never saw it, but any screw ups I had he had to pay for (luckily I didn’t DO much during my time in the service).

    —————-

    Fixed

  281. 18greatestever says: Mar 22, 2012 1:02 PM

    They cant win without cheating, so if you strip them of their 3 titles…brady is a NOBDOY. so are the pats.

  282. 18greatestever says: Mar 22, 2012 1:10 PM

    Wait, let me get this straight. A team can cheat to gain a competative advantage (video tape) and only get a FINE?

    I dont agree with the bounty the Saints had going but the Patriots were CHEATING!

    ________________________________

    Stop being stupid. Taping from an unapproved location isn’t as bad as offering a reward to assault and preferably maim somebody.

    Can you read? no one said what the pats did was worse…just making a point that they cheated and should be stripped of their titles as well! because theirs are tainted also!!!!

  283. 18greatestever says: Mar 22, 2012 1:27 PM

    skimmer0220 says:
    Mar 21, 2012 1:36 PM
    What a joke, this proves on so many levels that Goodell is pulling for his good buddy in New England, they blatantly cheated and won 3 super bowls doing so, The Saints never cheated and they get slapped with a much bigger punishment, I’m not saying they didn’t get what they deserved I’m saying that if this go’s on any further New England must be stripped up all there Super Bowl’s and given to the other team they played because now that they can’t cheat anymore how many Super Bowl’s have they won? and how many have they played in?

    nuff said
    ——————
    Bro, this paragraph is suck crap in so many ways. We get it, you dont like NE, sorry YOUR team isn’t successful. I like how you point out “how many SBs have they once since?” You act like winning a SB is so easy for teams..And to answer your question, they’ve played in 2 since spyGAY happened, losing both to the Giants. Is it karma that they’ve lost both SB, IDK, but you act the Pats have gone 3-13 every year since 07. And what is NOT illegal about what the Saints did? Enlighten me.

    Actually the patriots were caught cheating from 00-07. So when they lost to the giants in the superbowl in 07 they were still cheating. after that they missed the playoffs for 3 years in a row…they only reason they got to the superbowl last year was because the ravens lost the afc championship game..the pats didnt win. did you watch the game?? they are only relevant when they cheated…

  284. goldsteel says: Mar 22, 2012 9:55 PM

    The Commissioner said the Saints bounty story was his big moment in history. So he didn’t disappoint! Perhaps, in the next century when the Commissioner finally is removed from the NFL, a statue of Roger Goodell will be constructed. Have the commissioner standing and urinating on a football.

  285. kingfish4242 says: Mar 23, 2012 8:22 AM

    Love these comments especially from Vikings fans who feel the title should be stripped. No it shouldn’t. I will not defend the bounty system and I feel Paytons suspension is well deserved. He got one year because he lied to the commissioner and aided in the cover up. This is the sports equivelent to watergate under Nixon. The crime itself was a 3rd rate misdemeanor. Had Nixon fired the guilty parties, no one would even remember that event in history. Instead he tried to cover it and we all know what happened next. Nixon would have easily beaten McGovern anyway burgarly or not. The Saints would have won the Sb bountygate or not.

    What 90% of the media fails to report is the Saints defense was on the same field as NFL officials. Those refs could have thrown flags if they felt a hit crossed the line. Bountygate in no way shape or form gave the Saints an unfair competitive advantage on the field. Spygate on the other hand might have. The again,spying on other teams practices and issuing bounties have been part of NFL culture for 50+ years. That culture is the real demon Goodell is fighting and it isn’t going to change overnight.

    The only thing we as fans deserve is the final score not being fixed by conspiring with gamblers. That’s why all sports leagues have lifetime bans for those involved with bookies. Furthermore, the only thing a player or coach involved there can do is to shave points or guarantee a loss,not a win. The Saints won. They didn’t lose or shave points in those victories.

    Goodell is also a hypocrite Imo. This penalty had nothing to do with player safety. If he’s so concerned about player safety,why is he pushing hard for an 18 game schedule? Overseas games where the travel and fatigue makes an injury more likely to happen?

    As Jack Nicholson once said. You can’t handle the truth.

  286. kingfish4242 says: Mar 23, 2012 8:38 AM

    jb4820 says:
    Mar 21, 2012 5:16 PM
    I agree 100% with this. Bounties that give cash to players for putting another player on a stretcher has never been part of the game.

    I strongly suggest you do some research on NFL history. A world of knowledge is at your fingertips. Here’s a start. Go to you tube and search Hardy brown. The Rams had a 500.00 bounty on him in 1957. Google Art Donavan and read the stories from him about playing in the rough and tumble 1950’s. His Colts defensive teammates received extra cash if they put an opposing Qb on a stretcher. Former LB Don Joyce collected most of those.

    Sorry,but this game has historically been played by Men with bad intentions. Have you ever met and became friends with a former player? I’m not gonna drop names,but one of those is a neighbor and the other is my best friends uncle who played for the Giants in the late 60’s-early 70’s. When I was a bright eyed young teenager,he told me to get my education and forget about playing pro football. He also said if it wasn’t for football,half of his teammates would be in prison. The NFL isn’t a league full of nice people. There is a darkside and in many cases ignorance is bliss. Once again, You can’t handle the truth

  287. infectorman says: Mar 28, 2012 6:23 PM

    @18greatestever:
    YOU are completely ill-informed:
    The paragraph below and the vast majority of everything else you’ve posted is patently FALSE.

    Actually the patriots were caught cheating from 00-07. So when they lost to the giants in the superbowl in 07 they were still cheating. after that they missed the playoffs for 3 years in a row…they only reason they got to the superbowl last year was because the ravens lost the afc championship game..the pats didnt win. did you watch the game?? they are only relevant when they cheated…

    There is this new invention out there for people that weren’t paying attention when noteworthy events occurred (or for pathological revisionist historians – as you are) called the internet. Use it and educate yourself as ignorance is not an excuse anymore.

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