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Goodell sends “strong and lasting message” via discipline of Saints

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The NFL has released its official announcement regarding the penalties imposed as a result of the Saints’ three-year system of paying defensive players for, among other things, trying to injure opposing players.

The league imposed significant penalties against coach Sean Payton, defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, and G.M. Mickey Loomis, and for good reason.  Commissioner Roger Goodell wants to be sure this never happens again.

“We are all accountable and responsible for player health and safety and the integrity of the game,” Goodell said in the league-issued release.  “We will not tolerate conduct or a culture that undermines those priorities.  No one is above the game or the rules that govern it.  Respect for the game and the people who participate in it will not be compromised.”

“A combination of elements made this matter particularly unusual and egregious,” Goodell added. “When there is targeting of players for injury and cash rewards over a three-year period, the involvement of the coaching staff, and three years of denials and willful disrespect of the rules, a strong and lasting message must be sent that such conduct is totally unacceptable and has no place in the game. . . .

“Let me be clear.  There is no place in the NFL for deliberately seeking to injure another player, let alone offering a reward for doing so.  Any form of bounty is incompatible with our commitment to create a culture of sportsmanship, fairness, and safety.  Programs of this kind have no place in our game and we are determined that bounties will no longer be a part of the NFL.”

To achieve this goal, Goodell has suspended coach Sean Payton for a full year, effective April 1.  Former Saints defensive coordinator (and, for now, Rams defensive coordinator) Gregg Williams has been suspended indefinitely; his status will be reviewed after the 2012 season.  Saints G.M. Mickey Loomis has been suspended eight games, and Saints assistant head coach/linebackers coach Joe Vitt has been suspended six games.

In comparison, the Saints organization got off light.  Goodell fined the team only $500,000 and stripped a second-round pick in 2012 and a second-round pick in 2013.

Still, being denied the ability to rely on the man who led the team to a Super Bowl win three seasons ago and who has helped the Saints become competitive on a consistent basis will make it very difficult for the Saints to become the first team to ever qualify for a Super Bowl to be played in a team’s home stadium.  Next February, Super Bowl XLVII will be played in the Superdome.

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171 Responses to “Goodell sends “strong and lasting message” via discipline of Saints”
  1. wtfpft says: Mar 21, 2012 1:25 PM

    Yet cheating is okay, you’ll just be fined

  2. 69jaredallen69 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:25 PM

    Fine and Draft Picks should have been a lot more…too light in my opinion

  3. zeapelido says: Mar 21, 2012 1:25 PM

    The Saint’s should be required to give up their 2009 Superbowl title.

    Thumbs up you agree, down you disagree

  4. luckysunday20 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:26 PM

    Deserved but where was this kinda hammer dropping during spy gate?

  5. selldannysell says: Mar 21, 2012 1:26 PM

    Do these guys still get paid?

  6. hairpie says: Mar 21, 2012 1:26 PM

    Karma about the SB in the Dome. Same karma that hit the lying and cheating Colts last year.

  7. mikeyhigs says: Mar 21, 2012 1:26 PM

    “We are all accountable and responsible for player health and safety and the integrity of the game,”

    That says it all right there. This has very little to do with a practice that most teams employ to some degree, but everything to do with limiting future lawsuits from injured players.

  8. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Mar 21, 2012 1:27 PM

    I think everyone got what they deserved. Goodell did something right.

  9. xxshookonexx says: Mar 21, 2012 1:27 PM

    Ironic that the Patriots own their first round pick this year hence why they can’t lose it

  10. hairpie says: Mar 21, 2012 1:27 PM

    Just proves how completely overblown Spygate was. As most reasonable fans already know.

  11. baywatchboy says: Mar 21, 2012 1:27 PM

    Payton’s portion was stronger than I thought it would be and I also thought team fine would be higher and that they might lose next year’s first round pick, but this is definitely a good punishment that should send a message.

  12. santolonius says: Mar 21, 2012 1:28 PM

    saints should feel totally humiliated as an organization. and they deserve it too.

  13. jackntorres says: Mar 21, 2012 1:28 PM

    So Dennis Allen, Buffalo, Washington, and probably 25 others teams won’t be punished?

    Looks like Goddell is picking and choosing who he wants to discipline.

  14. medtxpack says: Mar 21, 2012 1:28 PM

    who dat? no more

  15. az78true says: Mar 21, 2012 1:28 PM

    Only 2 2nd round picks? Wow… I thought it would’ve been a bit more.

  16. Andre's Johnson says: Mar 21, 2012 1:28 PM

    Maybe this will get all the loud-mouthed Saints fans in Houston to shut up. Can’t understand what the hell they’re saying, anyway.

  17. axespray says: Mar 21, 2012 1:28 PM

    69jaredallen69 says:Mar 21, 2012 1:25 PM
    “Fine and Draft Picks should have been a lot more…too light in my opinion”

    Matt Schuab’s Knee is wondering when Jared Allen and the star cap addicted vikings will get punished for cheating.

  18. jaltreality says: Mar 21, 2012 1:28 PM

    Basically, considering that Gregg Williams will likely be reinstated next year, Williams and Sean Payton were suspended the same amount of time? That makes zero sense to me.

  19. dexterismyhero says: Mar 21, 2012 1:28 PM

    What does Ryan Clark think?

    Que the aints fans with this being too harsh…

    Who Dat….Dat be Goodell….Bam Roasted…

  20. indycolts1 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:29 PM

    Still seems a little lite against the organization. I think they should have at least lost a 1st rd pick in 2013 as well as the 2nd in 2012. Plus I think there should be heavy fines coming against Payton, Loomis, and Williams.

  21. afc22 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:29 PM

    remind me again, how did Belichick avoid being suspended for a year?

  22. conormacleod says: Mar 21, 2012 1:30 PM

    They got a Superbowl. Just based on that, no penalty is big enough.

  23. fwippel says: Mar 21, 2012 1:31 PM

    Why not give those draft picks to the teams who more most heavily effected by these bounties? The Cardinals and Vikings both had QBs targeted in playoff games.

    That, and they should have also taken away the first round picks for the next two years.

    And will someone please explain how a General Manager can be suspended for eight games? Since most of his work is done prior to the season, does his suspension start April 1 so he’s out of the loop during the draft?

    Hate to say it, but if it would gain a Super Bowl championship, there’s not a team in the league that wouldn’t do what the Saints did if the only penalties are these. It could have been much worse.

  24. vicktator says: Mar 21, 2012 1:31 PM

    “But cheating is cool guys”

  25. nineroutsider says: Mar 21, 2012 1:31 PM

    Explain the GM suspension more please…

  26. KIR says: Mar 21, 2012 1:32 PM

    One step closer to PG 13 football.

  27. frenchy121212 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:32 PM

    Spygate didn’t open the league to liability lawsuits. This isn’t over. Lawsuits by those injured will follow

  28. neilanblomi says: Mar 21, 2012 1:32 PM

    Bob Kraft and Roger Goodell are best friends so he destroyed all the evidence and did not suspend anyone. I guess Goodell and Benson aren’t as good of friends…

  29. damnyoulinelliot says: Mar 21, 2012 1:32 PM

    I don’t remember Bill Belichick ever getting suspended for a full season.

  30. jackntorres says: Mar 21, 2012 1:32 PM

    The Saint’s should be required to give up their 2009 Superbowl title.

    Thumbs up you agree, down you disagree
    —–
    “We are all accountable and responsible for player health and safety and the integrity of the game,”

    That says it all right there. This has very little to do with a practice that most teams employ to some degree, but everything to do with limiting future lawsuits from injured players.
    —–
    I agree this is much more about lawsuits in the pipeline than it is about competitive balance.

  31. anonymouslyanonymouscommentor says: Mar 21, 2012 1:32 PM

    To everyone who says cheating is worse:

    Cheating is only a way to win the game. Player safety and respect transcend the game. Outside the sphere that encapsulates the game we call football, respect and safety matter, and wins and losses don’t. They reach above and beyond any win or loss, any conference championship or Superbowl trophy. Even for those who don’t give a crap about common decency, safety, and respect, there’s no way the NFL cannot focus on those things and keep the game alive while it continues to evolve. So, even though you’re a terrible human being, you can still understand from that perspective.

  32. holdthemayo123 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:32 PM

    wtfpft says: Mar 21, 2012 1:25 PM

    Yet cheating is okay, you’ll just be fined

    ————-

    Circumventing the salary cap IS cheating. I know in the minds of moronic Pats haters, only filming something 70,000 people can see is considered cheating, but in reality, there are other forms of cheating, and this certainly counts as one.

  33. giants56 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:32 PM

    SB 47 Eli vs Payton!

  34. delmonte55 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:32 PM

    Nice job Goodell, now when you are in court defending the NFL against the players over the concussion issue, you can say look how concerned we are over safety. Good thing you have the revenue from all those NFL Films “Big Hits” tapes.
    Hypocrite!!!! The Saints need to take this to court!

  35. crabboil says: Mar 21, 2012 1:33 PM

    Preventing an upper-tier team like the Saints from competing will taint the upcoming Super Bowl.

  36. stealthjunk says: Mar 21, 2012 1:33 PM

    Hmmm…what about Oakland Head Coach Dennis Allen? He was a key part of the Saints’ defensive staff during the relevant time period….

  37. mattwalshvideo says: Mar 21, 2012 1:33 PM

    How long did Bill Belicheater get suspended, oh that’s right.

    Goodell is a joke.

  38. rippedoffhead says: Mar 21, 2012 1:33 PM

    what exactly goes into a suspension for a GM? can’t figure out what that really means…

  39. philtration says: Mar 21, 2012 1:34 PM

    Should have made them take Tebow and start him at QB for one full season as punishment.

  40. glennfs says: Mar 21, 2012 1:34 PM

    IMO, Belichick’s Spygate was far worse for the league. It was a more blatant flaunting of the rules and had a much larger impact on competitive balance of each game. Yet BB and his staff never missed a game.

    I’m not upset with the punishment the Saints got, but at least try to be consistent, Roger.

  41. imaskolman says: Mar 21, 2012 1:34 PM

    Obviously as a Vikings fan I like to see some justice but it would have been nice to have that game played without intended harm and late hits on Favre. Not to mention the refs should be fined for the way they made calls in over-time. Ugh.

    What is done is done and probably will not be done again per the consequences!

    Give’em hell Rodg!

    Skol to ya motha

  42. SteveBeans says: Mar 21, 2012 1:34 PM

    Drop the spygate crap. There was almost no competitive advantage with some assistant recording stuff that you can see with your own eyes. It was only made a big deal because the Patriots won 3 Super Bowls and a lot of other fans hated that. The media also hates Belichick because he doesn’t give them good clips, so they trashed him for it.

    People comparing the two are quite dumb. Morally it is completely messed up, and tactically it gives a huge advantage to purposely injure opposing players.

    Being fined almost 1 million dollars and losing a 1st round draft pick was pretty steep, yet again people are acting like they were slapped on the wrist. Why? Because Belichick proved it gave no advantage by going 16-0 the next season?

  43. laeaglefan says: Mar 21, 2012 1:35 PM

    Somewhere, Buddy Ryan is laughing his butt off.

  44. richie500 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:35 PM

    If I was Brees I’d walk! Look for a team ready to compete. He’s no spring chicken anymore!

  45. thatoneguy17 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:36 PM

    Wow this makes me hate the Patriots even more…

  46. beavertonsteve says: Mar 21, 2012 1:36 PM

    Spagnolo is the winner in all of this.

  47. SteveBeans says: Mar 21, 2012 1:37 PM

    quote….
    IMO, Belichick’s Spygate was far worse for the league. It was a more blatant flaunting of the rules and had a much larger impact on competitive balance of each game. Yet BB and his staff never missed a game.
    —————————

    Really? Had a much larger impact? You do realize all that was recorded was stuff that can be seen with Belichick’s own eyes and the biggest reason it was frowned upon because they were using a technology to do it that was never approved by the league.

    So you think that had a bigger impact than purposely injuring players? Do you watch football, or just hate the Patriots?

  48. sfsaintsfan says: Mar 21, 2012 1:37 PM

    “Strong and Lasting Message”

    Still we hear crickets from the NFL on the question of whether or not EVERY COACH in the league has been asked if they know of a “bounty” system ever being employed in the league by ANY team.

    The fact is that this type of thing has been rampant in the NFL for years. The NFL just wants it to end now, and chose to make the Saints the scapegoat!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  49. cwmorga says: Mar 21, 2012 1:37 PM

    @imaskolman says: Mar 21, 2012 1:34 PM

    Obviously as a Vikings fan I like to see some justice but it would have been nice to have that game played without intended harm and late hits on Favre. Not to mention the refs should be fined for the way they made calls in over-time. Ugh.

    What is done is done and probably will not be done again per the consequences!

    Give’em hell Rodg!

    Skol to ya motha
    ——————–

    Kiss the ring!

  50. cured76 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:38 PM

    Did anyone NOT think Goodell was going to KEEP IT REAL? I can guarantee teams are talking about this and it won’t be happening again.

  51. maxvain says: Mar 21, 2012 1:39 PM

    Very strong message, clearly no coach will condone anything like this again….

    Buts its amazing how NFL Films and current NFL programming glorifies this exact type of play with legendary teams of the past, and today guys are getting 1 yr suspensions!

    Jack Lambert, Decon Jones, Jack Tatum, Mean Joe Green, Dick Butkus!

  52. justraiderin says: Mar 21, 2012 1:39 PM

    Cannot believe this, the Saints have a bounty deal to help hype up D players….(which I agree is totally wrong) and get super punished, but Pats cheat, and get way way lesser punishment? Goes to show where the leagues priorities are….

  53. 7ransponder says: Mar 21, 2012 1:39 PM

    Should have been harder on the draft picks, but still well deserved. How about you give those picks to some obviously affected teams of this ridiculous practice?

  54. frenchy121212 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:40 PM

    richie500 says:
    Mar 21, 2012 1:35 PM
    If I was Brees I’d walk! Look for a team ready to compete. He’s no spring chicken anymore!

     0 0 
    That’s an interesting thought but didn’t the franchise him?

  55. novelisthq says: Mar 21, 2012 1:40 PM

    The NFL has proven, once and for all, that s*** can, in fact, run uphill.

  56. chibears5 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:41 PM

    Goodell is the biggest putz.

  57. stadanko says: Mar 21, 2012 1:41 PM

    You forgot the rest of the press release. “We will tolerate dog murderers, rapists, steroid users, drunk drivers, people who carry illegal firearms, and pretty much anything else. BUT DON”T TRY TO HIT SOMEONE TOO HARD!”

  58. zoxitic says: Mar 21, 2012 1:41 PM

    Wow, what a strict message you sent. You let them keep their 1st round draft pick in 2013.

    Weak.

  59. roadtrip3500 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:41 PM

    “three years of denials”

    That is the key phrase from Goodell’s statement. The Patriots came clean and stopped their videotaping when confronted by the league. The Saints did not stop their bounty program and lied about it when confronted.

  60. tundey says: Mar 21, 2012 1:42 PM

    OK I think Goodell has officially gone power crazy. A full year suspension is way just plain stupid. I don’t agree with bounties but this is not like inciting choirboys to violence. These are grown men playing a violent sport. Sure handing out cash in envelopes looks bad but what about all the incentives laden contracts for defensive players?

  61. holdsteady76 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:42 PM

    What does this mean for Drew Brees? No GM and no head coach, yikes losing Brees could be the cherry on top.

    Saints – be thankful you still have your super bowl title, by engaging in this program your team admitted they weren’t good enough to win playing within the rules – that is a not a champion.

  62. justbhouse2 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:42 PM

    The message sent was The NFL doesn’t and will not tolerate potential lawsuits for perceived dirty play.

    This was not about player safety because within six months Goodell with be talking about an eighteen games schedule.

  63. nfl1818 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:42 PM

    u guy seither hate the pats or don’t understand spygate, or both

    easily the most misrepresented and misunderstood nfl story of the last 10 years

  64. jaltreality says: Mar 21, 2012 1:43 PM

    There should have been a punishment. But Sean Payton for the entire year is too much.

  65. aoc57 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:43 PM

    I’m a Skins fan and still don’t understand all of the hate towards the Patriots. They did what every team does – look for any and all competitive advantages. If you don’t and the other guy does, and he wins? Guess who loses their job. Not him.

    People hate the Pats because they won. What they did wrong was get caught. There is probably so much crap that goes on that we don’t know about, we should try looking outside the box.

    That said, offering up bounties to hurt other players is unacceptable. Play hard, hit hard, but within the rules of the game and between the whistles. Every man out there has a family to support, and players- with families of their own-taking out other players? Disgraces the game.

  66. glennfs says: Mar 21, 2012 1:43 PM

    To Steve Beans:

    who said: “Really? Had a much larger impact? You do realize all that was recorded was stuff that can be seen with Belichick’s own eyes and the biggest reason it was frowned upon because they were using a technology to do it that was never approved by the league.

    So you think that had a bigger impact than purposely injuring players? Do you watch football, or just hate the Patriots?”
    ____________________________

    That’s total nonsense. If it wasn’t a competitive advantage, then why continue to do it when the league has asked you to stop (twice)?

  67. imaskolman says: Mar 21, 2012 1:44 PM

    cwmorga says:
    Mar 21, 2012 1:37 PM
    @imaskolman says: Mar 21, 2012 1:34 PM

    Obviously as a Vikings fan I like to see some justice but it would have been nice to have that game played without intended harm and late hits on Favre. Not to mention the refs should be fined for the way they made calls in over-time. Ugh.

    What is done is done and probably will not be done again per the consequences!

    Give’em hell Rodg!

    Skol to ya motha
    ——————–

    Kiss the ring!

    ————–

    It isn’t ours that’s for sure. We also would have won if we didn’t have 5 fumbles. The bounty case just makes for good arguments among fans and sells advertising for the NFL. What’s not to love?

  68. 8man says: Mar 21, 2012 1:45 PM

    Sounds a little too harsh to me. I’d have been okay with half a year for both Peyton and Williams.

    And remember, this never happens unless players consent to injure other players. I’m not saying every team does it, but I don’t believe the Saints are the only ones. Maybe they had the most “sophisticated” system.

  69. zaggs says: Mar 21, 2012 1:46 PM

    If Goodell wanted to make this about player safety, strip them of either 2 first round picks, or take away all their picks this year.

  70. comeonnowguys says: Mar 21, 2012 1:46 PM

    Not a fan of the Patriots, and I think Spygate deserved about the punishment it got, based on what could be proven.

    This was so, so, so much worse than Spygate.

    Good on the NFL.

    And Saints fans, stop trying to deflect with “what about…?” Not only is what they did wrong, but they were warned about it and ignored the warning almost to the point of flaunting.

  71. pgui88 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:47 PM

    So the NFL waits 3 years before doing this? How about suspend Williams a few games when the found out about it? That should have solved it. The NFL is just as much in the wrong. Gooddell should suspend himself for knowing about it for 3 years and doing nothing.

  72. jaltreality says: Mar 21, 2012 1:48 PM

    Incidentally, will similar punishments be levied for those involved in the Redskins or Bills when Gregg Williams was active there? Or are we going for appearances, rather than justice?

  73. polishkingski says: Mar 21, 2012 1:48 PM

    mikey?, you believe the saints organization got off light? wtf? i thought the coaches were part of the said organization? payton gets a year and williams gets possibly more? plus they lose two second rounders! the 500,000 g is a drop in the bucket but i think the saints got screwed. just doin what everyone else is. they just got caught. my sympathys saints fans.

  74. kylecleric says: Mar 21, 2012 1:49 PM

    The reason why the Saints management were suspended was because they LIED to the league about this program. Belichick and the Pats were forthcoming in their wrongs. That’s why there was difference.

    As for the Saints penalty, it’s unconscionable that the Saints did not lose a 1st first round pick. A second this year and a first next year should have been the start.

  75. horaceivory says: Mar 21, 2012 1:49 PM

    For the simpletons, Payton and Belichick punished differently because the infractions were different. Penalties are different for assault and speeding, right? “Spygate” way overblown as evidenced by the Pats remaining an elite team despite having to rebuild cause of 95% of the team aging and retiring or signing big contracts with other teams.

  76. trollhammer20 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:49 PM

    The year for Payton is more than I thought he’d get, but….think any other coach is going to stand for a bounty system in his locker room now?

  77. marvin49 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:49 PM

    @wtfpft

    Having a Bounty on players IS cheating.

  78. stangcity says: Mar 21, 2012 1:49 PM

    haha I like to watch the Saints fans attempt to reason why they shouldn’t be punished.

    Your head coach and defensive coach allowed your players to attempt to injure and maim players for years. They deserve to be punished so shut up and just take your lumps and stop whining. Bringing a camera to opponents practices (Spygate) is not dangerous its just plain dirty. Paying players to hit the opponents so hard they get carted off the field? totally different.

  79. eyeh8goodell says: Mar 21, 2012 1:50 PM

    Complete overreaction. And no, i’m not a Saints fan. There is ZERO evidence that any player got injured as a result of any bounties, and certainly no evidence that any player was hurt as a result of a football play that he otherwise wouldn’t have been hurt participating in. For those rival fans just doing what modern pansy rival fans do, which is talk smack on the internet when your own squad is far from in the clear as far as sportsmanship and virtue……..the simple math doesn’t line up for you. Player fines for illegal hits are and were significantly greater than any cash reward that was offered or received at any time. Fact.

    I realize many of you are too young to have known the game before Roger Goodell’s reign of terror, but the name of the game for defensive players has always been to knock the living piss out of the QB, or any ball carrier. The goal was to hurt them and demoralize them. And yes, to put them out of the game if possible. Spare me all the phony morality from all the hypocrites feigning outrage when you likely run to your computers and run your mouths (since many of you obviously don’t have the stones to do it in person) every time one of your players de-cleats a rival opponent. I bet the vast majority of you aren’t even familiar with that term…….you’ve been brought up in the pansy, flag football era of the NFL. I bet at least 90% of you couldn’t even tell me what snot bubbles are.

    And I also wonder how many of you phony moralists sit on your fat can watching MMA on a regular basis. I’m willing to bet the %-age would be at least into the 80′s.

  80. yahmule says: Mar 21, 2012 1:50 PM

    Goodell cares deeply about the health and well being of NFL players. Now he can concentrate on hammering through that 18 game season.

  81. wtfpft says: Mar 21, 2012 1:50 PM

    Patriot homers trying to justify spygate as no big deal is priceless, really… you really think they gained no real advantage from that? THEN WHY FILM IT? And why are there countless players of opposing teams quoted as saying “they knew our plays”??? Take the blinders off, you cheated and amazingly got away with it pretty clean as witnessed from today’s suspensions

  82. samoanjungle says: Mar 21, 2012 1:51 PM

    I wouldn’t be surprised if law enforcement gets involved. This is like organized crime, the cash was probably never reported to the IRS as income and people were basically assaulted with attempt to cause bodily harm.
    Also, seeing as there were previous issues with the painkillers, this is actually light punishment.

  83. cmackrn says: Mar 21, 2012 1:52 PM

    Hurricane Goodell

  84. bleedsoe9mm says: Mar 21, 2012 1:52 PM

    the other 31 teams with a bounty system just dodged a bullet

  85. cintiphil says: Mar 21, 2012 1:52 PM

    What does the indefinite suspension mean for Williams? Will he be fired now from the Rams?

  86. patsfiend says: Mar 21, 2012 1:52 PM

    All you who think the Patriots got off easy and would not have got hit this hard if it were them with the bounty system…

    Bull-SHEET! … if this happened in New England, it would have been worse, there would have been a national outcry from the media and senators, a class-action lawsuit from Jets fans, and Belichick would have gotten the hammer big time. BIG time.

    AND, Kraft would have long ago issued statements and made pre-moves, probably letting Belichick go, even before the fines came out. Kraft is a man of integrity.

    AND, Belichick, for all his needling of the NFL and Goodell, and for all his pushing the rules to the limits to try and win games would never, ever, in 100 years support a “bounty” system with the intent to INJURE opposing QB’s. Do you think for one second that the Pats would ever put something like this out for Peyton Manning? Do you think their captain Tedy Bruschi would have put money into that pool?

    If so, you don’t know the Patriots at all, and you’re just a jealous / blind hater.

  87. tdk24 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:52 PM

    I’m sorry but Spygate is way worse than what the Saints did and the Pats got off easy compared to this. The NFL is saying that it’s ok to video tape your opponents closed practices before a superbowl to gain a competitive edge, but it’s not ok to play the game at full speed and giving it your all? So now any time some player get’s hurt, you know, playing football, there will be an NFL investigation into whether or not there is a bounty on said player?
    The Saints should protest this by only playing their home games this year.

  88. mgfred says: Mar 21, 2012 1:53 PM

    For anybody thinking this is too harsh….
    Kurt Warner had his career ended.
    Bret Favre was physically ruined by this.
    There’s players that in the future will have their quality of life diminished by these practices.
    Football is a tough and sometimes cruel sport, what has happened here crossed the line and has become criminal behaviour.
    Nobody wins in this, as football fans we have all lost………

  89. kidpresentable says: Mar 21, 2012 1:53 PM

    Here’s the difference between “Spygate” and “Bountygate” (I hate the -gate suffix). Spygate is gamesmanship. It’s cheating, but in an effort to give one team an edge. I Bountygate is about intending to hurt the livelihood of an opponent. Both are wrong, but if you can’t recognize different degrees of wrong, then I am disappointed in the job your parents did.

    A baseball analogy would be that spygate is like corking your bat while bountygate is like charging the mound and hitting the pitcher with your bat.

  90. radrntn says: Mar 21, 2012 1:54 PM

    100% disagree with this..cheat and pay $, and then we will pay you back the same amount for doing a doc for nfl network.

    east coast bias plain and simple

  91. alexexum12 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:54 PM

    Can Payton appeal this?

  92. drewsylvania says: Mar 21, 2012 1:55 PM

    HAHAHAHAHAHA I knew the first comment would be about the Pats.

    Seriously? You’re going to make this about the Pats?!?!?! It’s like saying that what was really wrong about Hitler was that he smelled bad.

  93. sfsaintsfan says: Mar 21, 2012 1:56 PM

    One final thing to Goodell:

    You may want to pack your lunch for the Super Bowl in New Orleans because I can promise you that bowl of gumbo will have a little something extra in it, just for you!!!!!!!!!!!

    Goodell = Scum

  94. fissels says: Mar 21, 2012 1:57 PM

    If Payton could borrow Bobby Valintine’s disguise, he could become the interim coach!

  95. jnbnet says: Mar 21, 2012 1:57 PM

    xxshookonexx says:
    Mar 21, 2012 1:27 PM
    Ironic that the Patriots own their first round pick this year hence why they can’t lose it

    ———————————————————–
    The Saints lose a 2nd this year and a 2nd nest year. They did not have a 1st…having traded it to the Patriots. The Patriots were not involved in any of this so there was no need to punish them.

  96. illiniftw says: Mar 21, 2012 1:57 PM

    Goodell couldn’t erase the Saints game tapes before the public saw them so he had to impose a bigger fine

  97. madisonave99 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:57 PM

    So you can blatantly CHEAT to win game after game, Super Bowl after Super Bowl for 7 years and get nothing but lost Draft picks, but the Saints lose their HC for a year. Not saying the Saints shouldn’t have been harshly punished, but Goodell continues to live upbl to the hypocrotical, self-serving, slimy reputation i’ve had of him since he destroyed the cheating evidence against the Pats before anyone else could see it. He’s a scourge on the NFL and a complete embarassment as an owner. Next year i’m sure plauerd will not only get fined/suspended for hitting too hard like they did this year, but for attemping to make any physical contact with offensove skill position players

  98. dublindemonszfl says: Mar 21, 2012 1:57 PM

    Strip New Orleans of the Super Bowl!

  99. imaduffer says: Mar 21, 2012 1:58 PM

    I would not want to play the Saints this year.

  100. ken1313 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:58 PM

    Dear pinheads…..Bountygate has absolutely NOTHING to do with Spygate. Spygate was a stiff penalty caused by the Patriots ignoring the leagues request to stop videotaping opponents signals (while all the other teams supposedly stopped doing the same thing…..and many of them have ADMITTED doing the same thing…but I digress). The Patriots lost a 1st round pick and 1.5 million dollars (between the coach and the owner) Belichek was arrogant to think he could still do it and not get penalized…and he paid the price.

    The Saints (as well as Buffalo and washington) put BOUNTIES on the heads of other players…….paid their own players to intentionally HURT other players. This during a time where the NFL is doing all in their power to promote player safety (too much perhaps….). teams were warned repeatedly about placing bounties….and the saints lied about it on more than one occasion.

    To compare the punishments of these two offenses…is ridiculous…… it’s like comparing stealing a hubcap off of a car…..to stealing the car itself. Please stop being ridiculous. If you hate the Patriots….just man up and say so…but stop with the “Patriots got off easy BS. The Redskins and the Bills got off easy (so far any way). Try directing your anger at those two teams and ask why they haven’t been punished for the same offenses……..would make more sense than getting mad at the Patriots. I know that’s very hard for all the Patriot haters out there……but give it a shot sometime.

  101. dallas001 says: Mar 21, 2012 1:58 PM

    The “host city” Super Bowl jinx continues……………

  102. leatherhead9 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:00 PM

    This is what really disturbs me. The people of New Orleans suffered and continue to suffer in a terrible, horrible way with Katrina. A lot of the Saints players and Staff dontated so much time and energy to help not only the people, but the community. Some actually in a very public way. With that experience, I am at a loss and actually sickened that these same players and staff can then turn around and try to inflict harm, and in some cases serious harm, not only on opposing players, but fellow Union members.

  103. originalsteelcurtain says: Mar 21, 2012 2:01 PM

    Czar Roge?

    Bountygate is worse than Spygate?

  104. pats54 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:01 PM

    Not as bad as I thought it was going to be.

  105. dutty15 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:03 PM

    Good. Vikings should be 2009 Superbowl Champions

  106. 2ndaryinsanity says: Mar 21, 2012 2:04 PM

    GOOD! Glad to see Roger Goodell means what he says about player safety & holds everyone from the owners to the players equally accountable. Even James Harrison & Steeler Nation should be happy, or @ least give up their persecution complex. Football is, by it’s very nature, a violent sport. Players get injured (sometimes very seriously) in the regular course of games. Having a systematic reward system in place that encourages players to injure their opponents shouldn’t be acceptable. Ever.

  107. holdthemayo123 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:06 PM

    wtfpft says: Mar 21, 2012 1:50 PM

    Patriot homers trying to justify spygate as no big deal is priceless, really… you really think they gained no real advantage from that? THEN WHY FILM IT?
    ———–
    Gamesmanship – same reason people steal signals in baseball. Basically says, if you get lazy and don’t switch up your signals, someone is watching. If teams actually didn’t switch up their signals, shame on them, because once again 70,000 people are watching.

  108. eyeh8goodell says: Mar 21, 2012 2:06 PM

    (while all the other teams supposedly stopped doing the same thing…..and many of them have ADMITTED doing the same thing…but I digress).

    ———————-

    Name one outside of Jimmy Johnson. I’ll be waiting……a while apparently. Nobody outside of Jimmy Johnson admitted or even implied that went on with their teams and organizations.

  109. marcinhouston says: Mar 21, 2012 2:07 PM

    Roger Goodell is a coward and hypocrite with a corrupt mentality of inside the beltway privilege. He was born in the northeast and through his long association with the NFL he has known that Buddy Ryan operated a bounty system in Philadelphia, Gregg Williams operated one in DC and in Buffalo, and members of the Baltimore D have admitted to using bounties in interviews. That is ok, because they are his people. He was only interested in making an example of fans he viewed as outsiders to his privileged alumni. Even Bill Belichick was not given such a suspension for spygate, another northeasterner. Goodell needs to go.

  110. tdk24 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:07 PM

    Maning up…I hate the Pats. Happy now?

  111. drewsylvania says: Mar 21, 2012 2:07 PM

    @justraiderin–Yeah, god forbid they should care more about players getting hurt than about illegal taping.

  112. broncobrewer says: Mar 21, 2012 2:08 PM

    If you want saints to give up their superbowl the pats should to. Goodell needs to be consistent. I hope the owners can him. The guy is destroying the game.

  113. drewsylvania says: Mar 21, 2012 2:08 PM

    Again–why are we discussing Spygate now?

    One word: Deflection.

  114. dissapointmentprone says: Mar 21, 2012 2:08 PM

    Boom goes the dynamite!!

  115. monkeesfan says: Mar 21, 2012 2:11 PM

    The “strong and lasting” message is that the commissioner not only does not understand his game, he will REFUSE to learn it. These “bounties” never qualified as even borderline dirty hits.

    wtfpft raises Spygate – there Goodell’s ignorance of his own league’s rules and bylaws drove him to lash out at the Patriots because he felt he was shown up. Goodell takes things personally and reacts moralistically as a result. It’s what he did to the Patriots and he was wrong (starting with the 2007 memo that falsified what the rule actually said), now he’s doing it to the Saints and he’s wrong again.

  116. monkeesfan says: Mar 21, 2012 2:12 PM

    2nddairyinsanity – where were any of those hits even borderline dirty?

  117. pappavike says: Mar 21, 2012 2:13 PM

    I think they got just what they deserve! Theres a huge differance between spying, And intent to harm

  118. williebeaman says: Mar 21, 2012 2:13 PM

    Such crap. Let’s punish the worst team in football the last 5 years (Rams). Goodell is an absolute joke and is so power hungry. I’m so sick and tired of his crap. And of course BB and the Pats had nothing like this.

  119. shymovieguydarb says: Mar 21, 2012 2:15 PM

    To everyone who can not differentiate the seriousness between videotaping someone’s actions and implying that it is equal to purposely telling your players to injur opponents needs to give there head a shake.

  120. psousa1 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:17 PM

    not even a comparison to spygate. Teams trying to steal signals are as old as the game itself. Also when Rex Ryan, then the D coordinator with the Ravens said after the Pats got their punishment (paraphrasing here) “there are about 15 teams that are walking on eggshells right now”. Then Jimmy Johnson who won two super bowls came out and said that the cowboys did it too (which is probably where Belichik learned of the practice because I’ve read more than once that Jimmy Johnson was a mentor to him) and you probably had teams trying to steal their signs too. But the NFL is a violent game played by maniacs when they are playing within the rules. You cannot say purposely trying to f*ck someone up badly but possibly take away their livelihood is on par with trying to steal signals?

  121. nebster21 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:17 PM

    He punished people not teams. If he wanted to send a lasting message he would have taken away first rounders not second rounders.

  122. funkdoobie09 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:19 PM

    They should have been forced to trade for Tebow!

  123. ken1313 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:20 PM

    (while all the other teams supposedly stopped doing the same thing…..and many of them have ADMITTED doing the same thing…but I digress).

    ———————-

    Name one outside of Jimmy Johnson. I’ll be waiting……a while apparently. Nobody outside of Jimmy Johnson admitted or even implied that went on with their teams and organizations.

    Ok…The Jets, The Broncos , The Cowboys….all admitted they regularly taped defensive signals.

  124. melikefootball says: Mar 21, 2012 2:20 PM

    What happened to all the players involved, where are the fines.

  125. patsfiend says: Mar 21, 2012 2:20 PM

    eyeh8goodell says:
    Mar 21, 2012 2:06 PM
    Name one outside of Jimmy Johnson. I’ll be waiting……a while apparently. Nobody outside of Jimmy Johnson admitted or even implied that went on with their teams and organizations.
    ———–
    Here you go, schmeg-face:

    FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Bill Cowher believes … the New England Patriots should be considered the best team of the past decade and scoffed at the idea the Spygate scandal had any impact.

    “I think the decade still has to go to New England,” Cowher said Tuesday at a CBS Sports news conference to preview the Super Bowl.

    “But you go back to the body of work and the consistency, and I think New England CLEARLY is above everybody else. They never had that one down year. They’ve been on the brink from when they first won in 2001 until this past year they were in the playoffs. They’ve been the most consistent team.”

    The primary objection to any discussion about the Patriots’ greatness is the videotaping scandal that entangled the organization in 2007. The Spygate investigation included two victories over Cowher’s Steelers in the ’01 and ’04 AFC Championship Games.

    Cowher seems to absolve the Patriots for any wrongdoing.

    “Listen, there’s people stealing signals all the time before that,” Cowher said. “You have ways to hide those things. We had wristbands for our defense. I remember trying to get offensive plays and see what the formations were. Everybody knows.

    “You’re trying to gain a competitive edge. Did that go beyond it? To a degree. Do I think that helped them win football games? No. You still have to go out and play the game. I still have a hard time believing that was a difference in a game.”

  126. madisonave99 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:21 PM

    anybody who can’t see the correlation between this and the Spygate fiasco either aren’t paying enough attention or are just Pats fans who are mad that they’re CHEATING hasn’t been swept under the rug by fans like it has by the Commish and the sports media who covers the game. SpyGate gave the Patriots a direct competitive advantage on the field, which is why they engaged in the practice of it for 7 years, and why other coaches of the Beli-cheat regime have done so in other organizations (i.e. McDaniels in Denver). The fact that a team can go to the lengths the Pats did to CHEAT to win game after game, Super Bowl after Super Bowl and get a slap on the wrist fine (when teams average worth is $500 to 800 million, the Patriots fines were nothing) and a loss of 4 draft picks (which they recouped anyways within 2 seasons), not to mention the evidence was destroyed before anyone else could see it–you’re darn skippy whenever another scandal that effects competitive balance like bounty-gate happens, it will be compared to Spygate. Goodell doing “what’s best for the shield” is as laughable as him being a Commish without bias. In fact it’s an insult to any fan of the NFL with a modicum of intelligence

  127. Adam Tabaka says: Mar 21, 2012 2:24 PM

    “Let me be clear. There is no place in the NFL for deliberately seeking to injure another player, let alone offering a reward for doing so…”

    Okay, so why exactly are teams compelled to publicly disclose their injury reports? Why not simply have them disclosed to the league office rather than putting a big bullseye on some guy’s shoulder, knee or ankle?

  128. geniusfan says: Mar 21, 2012 2:25 PM

    For all you Patriots haters that so desperately want to make this about them go ahead and read this http://bleacherreport.com/articles/199345-the-truth-about-spygate-punishing-success-and-promoting-parity.

    Most of you have no clue what rule the Patriots allegedly broke cure your own ignorance and actually become educated on the subject before making your outlandish claims.

  129. holdthemayo123 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:26 PM

    ken1313 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:20 PM

    (while all the other teams supposedly stopped doing the same thing…..and many of them have ADMITTED doing the same thing…but I digress).

    ———————-

    Name one outside of Jimmy Johnson. I’ll be waiting……a while apparently.

    —————–

    Didn’t have to wait too long, now did you? Always a good idea to google before looking like a fool.

  130. Deb says: Mar 21, 2012 2:29 PM

    Rarely in the last three years have I agreed with the Commissioner’s disciplinary actions–largely because he punishes some while letting others slide. This time he came down hard when it was needed. Kudos, Rog.

  131. hairpie says: Mar 21, 2012 2:29 PM

    The Jets were caught the game before the Pats and simply lied about it.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3151217

  132. 16x8equal49ers says: Mar 21, 2012 2:30 PM

    Greg Williams is comparible to Pete Rose. It’s college football for him, siyanora!

  133. pitt4059 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:30 PM

    Saints will go 1-15 this year. Then trade Brees for a package that includes next years No. 1 pick and more.

  134. snowxlt says: Mar 21, 2012 2:34 PM

    To me they are back to the Aints

    They should go put those bags back on their heads like the old days!!!!

    The Super Bowl Trophy doesn’t belong in New Orleans.

    It should be Another teams.

  135. 66ray66 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:36 PM

    Payton not fined but loses $8 million salary. Each person who is suspended will not be paid while suspended.

  136. farmmbig says: Mar 21, 2012 2:37 PM

    Slap on the wrist to the organization— Two, second round draft picks?

    As a Minnesota fan that went through the NBA’s penalty on the T-Wolves for an under-the-table deal (for Joe Smith)— The Saints came away incredibly lucky in all of this.

    …And the Saints actually produced a championship through all of this.

  137. diehardsaintsfan says: Mar 21, 2012 2:37 PM

    Super Bowl XLIV Champs Baby!! WHO DAT!! I want to hear all you haters after the Saints defy all the odds and make another run at the Super Bowl this year! WHO DAT! SUPER BOWL XLVII!! NOLA 2013! Suck It NFL!

  138. mjkelly77 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:38 PM

    Had to do something. The palayers want to collect extra money via bounties whils they’re playing. Then after retirement, they sue the NFL for all of the hard hits. Give me a break.

  139. 66ray66 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:39 PM

    At this point, Rams could chose to terminate Williams “for cause”, not have to pay him another dime, and hire a new defensive coordinator.

  140. gibb11 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:41 PM

    Goodell do us all a favor and quit. If u can’t get ur act together and be fair to all teams then ur going to ruin this league and all it stands for. Spygate gets nothing Saints become poster boys for everything give me a break u POS!!

  141. mrconnors says: Mar 21, 2012 2:42 PM

    Patriots have gone 16-0, 14-2, 13-3, and have gone to two SB’s since spygate, but apparently they can’t win anymore.

    Dick Vermeil, Jimmy Johnson, and Bill Cowher (who should hold the biggest grudge of anybody) have said spygate was no big deal.

    There was no Rams walkthrough tape. That was proven false. The Boston Herald apologized for running the story. There were no taped practices.

    There were a couple of grainy tapes from the Chargers, Browns, and a few other teams. Seems what the Patriots were doing was so important that the camera guy could take time out to video tape the Chargers cheerleaders on the sidelines.

  142. vtopa says: Mar 21, 2012 2:44 PM

    How can the NFL claim to have parity if they compltely hamstring one of their 32 teams like this. Talk about harming your own product. Suspending Payton a whole year handicaps them and makes a mockery of the competitiveness illusion in the NFL. Goddell is an idiot.

  143. fsf7 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:47 PM

    hairpie says:Mar 21, 2012 1:27 PM

    Karma about the SB in the Dome. Same karma that hit the lying and cheating Colts last year.

    Just proves how completely overblown Spygate was. As most reasonable fans already know.
    ————————-

    hairpie definition of “most reasonable fans” = New England Patriots fans.

    Lying and Cheating? Colts manipulate crowd noise. Patriots tape opponents signals via specialized hidden cameras for 7 years to obtain competitive advantage.

    Spygate overblown? It’s clear you have no idea what this is all about. Quick clue – its not about competitive advantage, its about preventing future lawsuits.

    Karma?

    Patriots – lost a chance at the greatest season in NFL history – 19-0, after a miracle play and then Tom Brady tears his ACL in first game of 2008.

    Colts – have the #1 pick and will be able to replace their 36 year old legend QB with the most prized QB prospect since John Elway.

    Patriots fans are delusional and trying to use this to justify 3 Super Bowls they won but obviously did not earn.

  144. pmars64 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:48 PM

    As a Saints fan, I’m biased, of course, but this reeks of hypocrisy. Football is a violent sport played by, coached by, owned by, and managed by violent people. It’s the nature of the game itself. Bounties are as old as the league itself and players are coached that if they can get an opposing star player out of a game, then do it. Every team in every league does this. And the NFL has made a lot of money from its violence. Vicious hits are cheered by fans and get the heart pumping. ESPN will replay nasty hits all the time and it helps them rake in increased advertising dollars.

    What this is really about is PR and money. The league still wants an 18 game season and it would be a lot harder to sell it to the fans if the bounty issue was still alive and well. If the league was really serious about player safety, they should increase player and coach suspensions for some of those obvious hits and head-first launchings. Why aren’t there automatic game suspensions, and multi-game suspensions, when a player launches or makes an obvious attempt to injure? This happens in virtually every game. Why aren’t coaches suspended when players do this? This would put a stop to some of the violence right away.

    Why doesn’t the NFL take care of players and provide life-time health coverage and increase retirement benefits 10-fold for former players? Why did the Goodell and the owners stage a lock-out if they cared so much about players? But they really don’t care. All the NFL cares about is perception – PR – because bad PR hurts profits.

    Do I want players to get hurt? No, but I’m not above being glad if the QB for the other team goes down. I’m not a violent man. I don’t believe in guns and I believe wars are about nothing but 1% greed. I feel bad when I watch a game from 25 years ago and see that half a dozen of those starts are now dead. But I still love the game and I can appreciate a good hit, especially when it helps my team. And I yell when the other team does it to my team. But to make an example of the Saints at this time, when bounties and inflicting injuries to gain an advantage has been part of the game since the beginning is hypocritical. It’s not about protecting players. It’s about protecting profits. It’s always about protecting profits.

  145. tobiasjodter says: Mar 21, 2012 2:49 PM

    I know I am in the minority but I think this punishment is way too severe. I believe the NFL and the media had a pretty good idea of what was going on and looked the other way. Now all of a sudden it’s a big deal. Did I read anything about the Redskins getting any punishment?

  146. coolzog says: Mar 21, 2012 2:49 PM

    I guess Sean Payton has some time to heal his ACL then…

  147. ken1313 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:50 PM

    Lying and Cheating? Colts manipulate crowd noise. Patriots tape opponents signals via specialized hidden cameras for 7 years to obtain competitive advantage.
    —————————————————–

    I love how these putzes keep changing the story…..no hidden cameras Einstein…..the cameraman was on the field with PERMISSION to record …..he just recorded the coaches along with the scoreboard and players………you really should read up on this….because you seem to be either making it up as you go…or you just don’t want to understand the truth.
    Either way…you look like an idiot every time you speak about it

  148. rocketdogsports says: Mar 21, 2012 2:50 PM

    Good and proper move from Commissioner Goodell. I applaud his actions to protect the integrity of the game.

  149. sg419 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:51 PM

    The Message being sent:
    Filming offense and defensive signals is ok
    A bounty program that didn’t hurt anyone not ok

  150. doubleogator says: Mar 21, 2012 2:52 PM

    Goodell made the Saints a scapegoat, and turned a blind eye by not taking it a step further by investigating other teams….Oh, I forgot, they’ll be on an honor system and sign something saying they play fair….right!!

  151. ken1313 says: Mar 21, 2012 2:53 PM

    This just in……….. John Lennon assassinated by Mark David Chapman………some clueless NFL fans are seeking punishment for John Doe…..claiming his punishment for a Central Park purse snatching incident…was not severe enough.

    IDIOTS

  152. hairpie says: Mar 21, 2012 2:53 PM

    fsf7 says:
    Mar 21, 2012 2:47 PM
    hairpie says:Mar 21, 2012 1:27 PM

    Karma about the SB in the Dome. Same karma that hit the lying and cheating Colts last year.

    Just proves how completely overblown Spygate was. As most reasonable fans already know.
    ————————-

    hairpie definition of “most reasonable fans” = New England Patriots fans.

    Lying and Cheating? Colts manipulate crowd noise. Patriots tape opponents signals via specialized hidden cameras for 7 years to obtain competitive advantage.
    ———————
    This should read Colts manipulate crowd noise to gain unfair competitive advantage over visiting teams while Pats tape 23 seconds of a Jets game in plain view of 70,000 people.

  153. drewsylvania says: Mar 21, 2012 2:54 PM

    So, if you’re scoring at home:

    Saints fans: Our bleep don’t stink.

  154. drewsylvania says: Mar 21, 2012 2:57 PM

    Also: “See that horse over there? We’ve beaten it around 1.5 billion times. But a few years ago we saw some evidence it might still be alive, so we’ve scheduled another decade of whippings.”

  155. managod777 says: Mar 21, 2012 3:01 PM

    Goodell is nothing but a dishonest hypocritical bag man for the owners. All I have to say is this…Since the NFL “knew” the Saints had this going on 2 years ago, why was there no punishment done then? You mean, Goodell knew the Saints were purposefully trying to hurt other players and you NEVER check them out to ensure the protection of the players he cares sooo much for, for 2 years? All this amounts to is grandstanding because the NFL, on his watch, is going to field the most lawsuits of former players any sport has ever seen…so I wonder how Goodell is going to improve investigative abilities, since they apparently lack severely…Goodell is a phony a** and it seems very obvious to me…this isn’t about player safety, it’s about NFL liability!!!!

  156. fsf7 says: Mar 21, 2012 3:03 PM

    wtfpft says:Mar 21, 2012 1:25 PM

    Yet cheating is okay, you’ll just be fined
    ——————–

    Goodell doesn’t care as much about competitive advantage as he does image, marketing & advertising and fear of future lawsuits.

    Examples:
    Suspend a man not accused of sexual assault but never charged with a crime 4 to 6 games because he is he profile while another is arrested for sexual assualt, charged, taken to trial but because he is not a high profile guy and the media does not follow – he is ignored.

    The Broncos manipulated the Salary Cap to win 2 Super Bowls
    The 49ers manipulated the Salary Cap to win 1 Super Bowl
    The Patriots used illegal video taping practices to tape opponents signals to win 3 Super Bowls

    No one was suspended, only fines and draft picks.

    But the Saints have bounty program which has been around NFL for years. Ravens were caught with it in 2008, and Mendenhall who was on their bounty list, was injured for season. No penalty.

    However, because there are lawsuits pending against the league about concussions, the Saints pay the price.

    That’s the reality.

  157. encroachmentor says: Mar 21, 2012 3:08 PM

    Funny how all the Saints haters seem to forget that the Saints were two minutes away from playing for the NFC Championship last season with a bad defense. It’s the defensive players that are probably going to be suspended, not the offense. Drew is going to get a contract before the season and Carmichael does just as good a job calling plays.

  158. hairpie says: Mar 21, 2012 3:13 PM

    fsf7 says:
    Mar 21, 2012 3:03 PM
    wtfpft says:Mar 21, 2012 1:25 PM

    Yet cheating is okay, you’ll just be fined
    ——————–

    Goodell doesn’t care as much about competitive advantage as he does image, marketing & advertising and fear of future lawsuits.

    Examples:
    Suspend a man not accused of sexual assault but never charged with a crime 4 to 6 games because he is he profile while another is arrested for sexual assualt, charged, taken to trial but because he is not a high profile guy and the media does not follow – he is ignored.

    The Broncos manipulated the Salary Cap to win 2 Super Bowls
    The 49ers manipulated the Salary Cap to win 1 Super Bowl
    The Patriots used illegal video taping practices to tape opponents signals to win 3 Super Bowls
    ——————–

    how did taping 6 plays of a Jets game in 2007 help the Pats wil any Super Bowls since they preceded that date? The rule about taping wasnt enforced until the 2007. That doesnt make sense.

  159. theandy59 says: Mar 21, 2012 3:14 PM

    I know this is a waste of time but here goes anyhow. I want one of you knuckleheads to explain, in specifics, how the Patriots gained competitive in-game advantages using video-taped signals. I want you to explain the mechanics, not just make stupid, blind comments like “they knew all the plays”. Tell me how, in-game, any information gleaned from video taping could ever be used in the game going on. (By the way, the fact that they did it is not evidence of it’s value. If you know Belichick at all, you’d know that they practice situations that may come up once all season long – but if it does, they’re prepared. That’s the Belichick way.) And also be aware that stealing signals is not illegal – using a camera from unauthorized locations is, which is what New England was guilty of. Period.

  160. footballfan292 says: Mar 21, 2012 3:27 PM

    The reason Belichick’s was much less was:
    1. Did not involve player safety.
    2. HE DIDN’T LIE TO THE LEAGUE! When confronted Belichick admitted what he did. The whole Saints organization lied for 3 years. It was like a conspiracy for nobody to say anything. One league official said it was ran “like the Nixon White House.”

  161. crip2nite says: Mar 21, 2012 3:42 PM

    So to vote, what’s worse…?

    A team /organization that cheats the NFL by intentionally injuring key offensive players of opposing teams

    or,

    a frugal owner that is attracted by the bargain he can get for a pretty good player, but may have some “off the field issues”?

    Thumbs down for cheating (Saints)

    Thumbs up for bargain chasing (Bengals)

  162. howiegtr says: Mar 21, 2012 3:48 PM

    I’m sorry but Spygate is way worse than what the Saints did and the Pats got off easy compared to this. The NFL is saying that it’s ok to video tape your opponents closed practices before a superbowl to gain a competitive edge, but it’s not ok to play the game at full speed and giving it your all? So now any time some player get’s hurt, you know, playing football, there will be an NFL investigation into whether or not there is a bounty on said player?
    The Saints should protest this by only playing their home games this year
    ————————————————
    Really? What do you think is worse? I beat you in a game of cards by seeing your hand or I purposely break your legs so I can see your cards. Don’t be a moron.

  163. bigjdve says: Mar 21, 2012 3:55 PM

    I want to know what James Harrison has to say now.

    If he is smart, he won’t say anything.

  164. crip2nite says: Mar 21, 2012 3:58 PM

    Oops sorry folks I meant– What is better…?

    A frugal owner that is attracted by the bargain he can get for a pretty good player, but may have some “off the field issues”

    or,

    a team /organization that cheats the NFL by intentionally injuring key offensive players of opposing teams?

    Thumbs up for bargain chasing (Bengals)

    Thumbs down for cheating (Saints)

  165. tsenator says: Mar 21, 2012 4:09 PM

    Not even really a Saints Fan — but this is kind of BS. 1 year !? While The Belicheck Pats cheated for Years and didn’t even miss a day off – just a fine (which Kraft can just pay by giving Belicheck a new contract and raise). Its apparent that Goodell has different standards/rules for his “favorite” franchises like NE. These guys were doing what every football player does – try and knock the snot out of the opposing player — penalize the Saints yes – but this is excessive

  166. wtfpft says: Mar 21, 2012 4:45 PM

    “how did taping 6 plays of a Jets game in 2007 help the Pats wil any Super Bowls since they preceded that date? The rule about taping wasnt enforced until the 2007. That doesnt make sense.”

    Yeah the time they got caught was the first time they ever filmed anything i’m sure, how naive are you? You seriously think they only filmed 6 plays and that’s it???

  167. devikesfan says: Mar 21, 2012 4:49 PM

    What’s the Patriots did isn’t even close to what the Taints did.
    There’s a HUGE difference between misplacing a camera, and putting out contracts to intentionally injure opposing players.
    The Pats got hammered for what they did. The Taints need to get hammered FAR worse.
    So far, it looks like the punishment is fitting…

  168. hairpie says: Mar 21, 2012 6:33 PM

    wtfpft says: Mar 21, 2012 4:45 PM

    “how did taping 6 plays of a Jets game in 2007 help the Pats wil any Super Bowls since they preceded that date? The rule about taping wasnt enforced until the 2007. That doesnt make sense.”

    Yeah the time they got caught was the first time they ever filmed anything i’m sure, how naive are you? You seriously think they only filmed 6 plays and that’s it???
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    the rule wasnt enforced until 2007 thats why the memo was sent out to ALL teams to stop. How can some of you “fans” expect to carry on a conversation if you are so incredibly uninformed.

  169. hairpie says: Mar 21, 2012 6:36 PM

    theandy59 says: Mar 21, 2012 3:14 PM

    I know this is a waste of time but here goes anyhow. I want one of you knuckleheads to explain, in specifics, how the Patriots gained competitive in-game advantages using video-taped signals. I want you to explain the mechanics, not just make stupid, blind comments like “they knew all the plays”. Tell me how, in-game, any information gleaned from video taping could ever be used in the game going on. (By the way, the fact that they did it is not evidence of it’s value. If you know Belichick at all, you’d know that they practice situations that may come up once all season long – but if it does, they’re prepared. That’s the Belichick way.) And also be aware that stealing signals is not illegal – using a camera from unauthorized locations is, which is what New England was guilty of. Period.

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    I’ve posted this for 5 years. Not one hater has been able to answer.

  170. MossMoon2Packers says: Mar 21, 2012 6:44 PM

    As a Vikings fan, you can call me biased, but I think it would be fair for the Saints to forfeit a future 1st round pick to the Vikings, because it’s pretty safe to say that, with a non-targeted, non-cheap-shotted Favre at QB, the Vikings would have won the 2009 NFC CG. After all, the Saints directly benefitted, and the Vikings directly suffered, from the cheap shots on Favre.

    Also, the refs — Pete Morelli & Co. — should have been fired on the spot after their disgracefully incompetent or biased officiating of that game.

  171. tdk24 says: Mar 21, 2012 6:55 PM

    “mgfred says:
    Mar 21, 2012 1:53 PM
    For anybody thinking this is too harsh….
    Kurt Warner had his career ended.
    Bret Favre was physically ruined by this.
    There’s players that in the future will have their quality of life diminished by these practices.
    Football is a tough and sometimes cruel sport, what has happened here crossed the line and has become criminal behaviour.
    Nobody wins in this, as football fans we have all lost………”

    1. they were both old as hell and can’t play forever.
    2. get a better offensive line.

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