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Newton, Favre, Warner, Rodgers were specific bounty targets

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If you haven’t yet read the entire NFL report announcing the punishment to be imposed on Saints coach Sean Payton, former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, Saints G.M. Mickey Loomis, Saints assistant head coach/linebackers coach Joe Vitt, and the Saints organization generally, you need to.  (Drew Brees definitely needs to.)

We’ll be sharing chunks of it here, highlighting specific aspects of the report.

For starters, Panthers quarterback Cam Newton can be added to the list of players who were specific targeted by the Saints defense.

Newton joined Brett Favre, Kurt Warner, and Aaron Rodgers as the quartet of quarterbacks who had price on their heads.  Or, more accurately, on having their asses dragged off the field.

The initial March 2 announcement from the league identified Favre and Warner as subjects of a bounty; the internal, confidential (but inevitably leaked) NFL Security memo from that same day said that a bounty had been placed on Rodgers for the 2011 regular-season opener, with Mike Ornstein offering to contribute $5,000 to the pot in an email to Payton.  (Wednesday’s announcement from the league doesn’t name Ornstein, but it quotes the email:  “PS Greg Williams put me down for $5000 on Rogers [sic].”)

For that and more, read the full report.  Or wait for more snippets to be posted here.  Either way, remember that these aren’t allegations.  They are facts determined to be true by the league, based in large part on the reality that the people involved in the bounty program have confessed.

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152 Responses to “Newton, Favre, Warner, Rodgers were specific bounty targets”
  1. joetoronto says: Mar 21, 2012 5:25 PM

    This is getting more disgusting by the minute.

  2. allenk0780 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:25 PM

    damn!! Wish the saints would have played the redskins this year and had a bounty on rex and john beck

  3. jxegh says: Mar 21, 2012 5:26 PM

    Wow. Maybe a year isn’t long enough for Payton

  4. babyhorsemorgan says: Mar 21, 2012 5:26 PM

    Newton’s bounty was $7 and 33 cents. Someone had put in a 10, but changed their mind later.

  5. dkeyser says: Mar 21, 2012 5:26 PM

    How bout being fair and doing and investigation on how many times Brees was a target for a bounty….

  6. bleedsoe9mm says: Mar 21, 2012 5:27 PM

    they got off light

  7. bucrightoff says: Mar 21, 2012 5:27 PM

    They weren’t the only four. I remember the Bucs/Saints game in Tampa last year when Malcolm Jenkins hit Freeman’s legs late, a good 5 yards out of bounds. They did it to every QB they played would be my guess

  8. sf944 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:28 PM

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/nfl-finds-no-evidence-redskins-had-a-bounty-system/2012/03/21/gIQAvd4JSS_blog.html?wprss=rss_football-insider

  9. friendlylittletrees says: Mar 21, 2012 5:28 PM

    Hey Mike… You are the lawyer here…

    Do these targets have a possible civil suit? The people involved were dumb enough to leave hard evidence and the like.

    Is there a case here?

  10. jakek2 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:28 PM

    Newton deserved it. Someone needed to wipe that smile off his mug.

  11. woodg8 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:29 PM

    Pretty sure they targetted Cutler in week 2, given they stamped on his throat and were desperately trying to hit him when the game was over late on

    either that or dirty play is embedded into the saints defensive philosophy

  12. blacknole08 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:30 PM

    Rodgers is too much of a sheriff to have any bounty put on him. Ask the Saints secondary.

    Why Cam Newton though? Saints were afraid of a rookie? Maybe they are just afraid of fair competition.

  13. stampede101 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:30 PM

    sorta like the Mitchell Report…

  14. jgedgar70 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:31 PM

    Not surprised. People have been plotting to kill Cam Newton ever since it was discovered that his father is a crook, never mind that Cam has been cleared multiple times. This is just the first confirmation that the plots existed outside of Tuscaloosa. It is going to be so much fun watching him light New Orleans up for about 800 yards and 10 TDs in their 2 games this year.

  15. fishfiletkray says: Mar 21, 2012 5:32 PM

    Killa Cam is indestructible!

  16. gwahknows says: Mar 21, 2012 5:32 PM

    who dat.

  17. waraggie says: Mar 21, 2012 5:33 PM

    dkeyser, EXACTLY!!!!

    Surely this happened in practice too. Real professionals set their game standards in practice.

  18. jjrs89 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:33 PM

    They should strip them of the franchise tag and make brees a free agent

  19. isphet71 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:33 PM

    dkeyser says:
    Mar 21, 2012 5:26 PM

    “How bout being fair and doing and investigation on how many times Brees was a target for a bounty….”

    —————–

    How about being fair and punishing any other teams that put out a bounty for Brees, got caught doing it, lied about it, then continued to put out bounties for other QBs while under investigation?

    fixed.

    That would be perfectly fair if you could find any other teams that stupid.

    Good luck with that.

  20. rascalmanny says: Mar 21, 2012 5:33 PM

    I wonder if the players could file a lawsuit?

    Frankly I don’t think the punishment was severe enough.

  21. mrplow3 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:34 PM

    Payton’s a lying scumbag.

    Ban him for life along with his ex D cordinator Mr. Manboobs.

  22. tharoostah says: Mar 21, 2012 5:34 PM

    They new better then to mess with JCutty, he would have knocked them out. Not that they would have been able to catch him, remember when he ran a 2.6 second 40 yd dash at his combine? I do

    #FreeJCutty #PayJay #CuttyDoesIt

  23. gcsuk says: Mar 21, 2012 5:34 PM

    dkeyser says: Mar 21, 2012 5:26 PM

    How bout being fair and doing and investigation on how many times Brees was a target for a bounty….
    ——————————————————————-

    Most likely because no other teams (that we know of) are being investigated. PFT did not run the investigations themselves, so I don’t think they can dredge up allegations regarding other teams.

    Saints fans, deal with it. Your team got caught. Just like the Patriots. Take your medicine and quit your crying.

  24. jdandcoke says: Mar 21, 2012 5:34 PM

    suspensions are no big deal…these guys are all rich to begin with and they’ll be running things from behind the curtains regardless. the saints should have suffered a cap hit similar to the skins and lost their entire draft for the 2012 AND 2013 seasons. now THAT would have been a real punishment.

  25. kingbeason52 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:34 PM

    Newton is gonna light the Saints UPPP next year, as much as i love our boy cammy cam..he has a bit of an ego, and dont think he will forget this next year when he lines up across that defense. It dosent matter if any of the “bounty” guys are on the other side, he is going to seek his revenge, twice next year!

  26. vike4life says: Mar 21, 2012 5:35 PM

    All you guys who thinks this is not serious…. imagine the game if the league allowed these type of Stars to be injured purposefully. The NFL would be quite boring by mid-season.

    By my count that’s about 1/2 billion dollars worth of QBs.

  27. 808raiderinparadise says: Mar 21, 2012 5:35 PM

    dkeyser says:
    Mar 21, 2012 5:26 PM
    How bout being fair and doing and investigation on how many times Brees was a target for a bounty….
    —————————-

    Drew Brees is currently asking for an explanation.

  28. imasportsfanatic says: Mar 21, 2012 5:35 PM

    Saints got off easy…

  29. chopfinger says: Mar 21, 2012 5:36 PM

    Nah, the zealots don’t want to look at other teams doing similar things…it doesn’t play into the witch hunt.

  30. croghan1919 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:36 PM

    There’re all QB’s.
    I have NO doubt that Manning was a target when Williams was DC at DC now.

  31. lowleadman says: Mar 21, 2012 5:36 PM

    The Saints. Aply named.

    Only Tim Tebow can save them now.

  32. trubroncfan07 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:36 PM

    Just one more thing to make the NFL a soft league. No wonder all the kids are into MMA now and not the NFL. If this keeps up they should name it the NCL for no contact league. I sure hate what Goodell has done to the league.

  33. mikelitoris1 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:36 PM

    So how much $ was put down for the Sean Payton hit in the Bucs game? Ironically, he was the only one seriously injured by any of the Saints players LOL.

  34. bigbillsfan says: Mar 21, 2012 5:36 PM

    It seemed where Williams went it became monkey said monkies do mentality!!! They got what was coming to them!

  35. xxwhodatxx says: Mar 21, 2012 5:36 PM

    Here’s one hoping someone puts a bounty on Goodell.

  36. nyyjetsknicks says: Mar 21, 2012 5:37 PM

    Are you more or less pissed that you weren’t a bounty? It could go both ways.

    “You don’t think I’m good enough to be bounty? I’m a damn good player damnit.”

    “These sons of bitches were intentionally trying to get my carted off. That’s crap.”

  37. cliffordc05 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:37 PM

    I admit then when this story broke I thought that there was an overreaction. I was wrong. Williams and the coaches who participated in this program are a disgrace. Ornstein should be banned from the premises of any NFL team for life.

    Brees should shut his pie hole before he embarrasses himself any more than he already has.

  38. barneyrumble says: Mar 21, 2012 5:37 PM

    So Manning’s initial injury was not part of this as has been reported in other places?

  39. slumdog66 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:38 PM

    I wonder what Jackntorres explanation is. Where you at?

  40. croghan1919 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:38 PM

    They’re all QB’s.
    I have NO doubt that Manning was a target when Williams was DC at DC now.

  41. thehawg says: Mar 21, 2012 5:39 PM

    Isn’t part of the strategy of football, to take the other team out of its comfort zone by making the them make adjustments ? The defenses goal is to hit the offensive player as hard as they can so they cause at turnover. If the player gets knocked out of the game, thats just collartel damage.

  42. Matt-NC says: Mar 21, 2012 5:39 PM

    Suspension isn’t going to get it done. Lifetime bans is appropriate.

    No excuse at all.

  43. somatg3 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:40 PM

    so sorry “you’re not ok” payton. brees and sharper really need to get a clue and know when its time to just shut up. no one wants to hear any of you whine right now. at least gregg williams has the integrity to accept responsibility for his actions. the rest of the Aints should quit whining and follow suit!!!

  44. gb4mn0 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:40 PM

    Its a shame that Warner, Newton and Rodgers were “bounty” targets but the hits on Favre MIGHT have kept the vikequeefs cretins from winning a Lombardi and in my book the Saints D deserves a Public Serves Award for meritorious service.

  45. deangelo1776 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:40 PM

    How bout being fair and doing and investigation on how many times Brees was a target for a bounty….

    —–

    What an absurd statement. You must be a Saints fan.

  46. obaig11 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:41 PM

    Can the players whom were targeted take any legal action upon themselves towards the Saints and/or the individuals involved with putting the bounties in place?

  47. Matt-NC says: Mar 21, 2012 5:41 PM

    xxwhodatxx says: Mar 21, 2012 5:36 PM

    Here’s one hoping someone puts a bounty on Goodell.

    ————————————————————–

    Why? Because your coach got caught?

  48. gavinmac says: Mar 21, 2012 5:41 PM

    Mike Ornstein, a two time felon not employed by the team, sent Payton an email offering to put down $5,000 to incentivize Saints players to injure Aaron Rodgers? How did Payton respond to that email?

    Why would an outsider want to put down money like this, unless he thought he was affecting what happened on the field? Was Ornstein just a “fan,” or did this two time felon have money on the Saints, or money on the Bears to win the NFC Central, or a connection with Matt Flynn’s agent?

    This is pretty troubling that Payton would be associating with Ornstein and letting him put down money to pay Saints players to injure the best player in the game.

    http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2012/03/mike_ornsteins_association_wit.html

  49. conormacleod says: Mar 21, 2012 5:42 PM

    Even MMA has weight classes.

  50. draftrobot says: Mar 21, 2012 5:42 PM

    Old news. Cecil Newton had a bounty on Cam when Auburn was recruiting him.

  51. sf944 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:43 PM

    Pretty sure they targetted Cutler in week 2, given they stamped on his throat and were desperately trying to hit him when the game was over late on

    ——————————
    The NFL informed the Saints there should not have been a roughing the passer penalty against safety Roman Harper for his hit on Cutler in the first quarter. The roughing the passer penalty called by referee Walt Coleman extended the Bears’ lone touchdown drive, turning an incomplete pass on third-and-6 from the Saints’ 15-yard line into first-and-goal from the 7. Two plays later, the Bears scored on Cutler’s eight-yard pass to Dane Sanzenbacher.

  52. gwahknows says: Mar 21, 2012 5:44 PM

    The Devil had a bounty on Tebow’s head.

  53. binkystevens says: Mar 21, 2012 5:44 PM

    Funny, I don’t recall Rodgers being touched. So not only are they the scum of the earth based on their intentions, but they also suck at their jobs.

  54. joetoronto says: Mar 21, 2012 5:44 PM

    Shouldn’t Brees be concerned for the safety of his fellow “brothers”, since he’s a player rep?

  55. shaggytoodle says: Mar 21, 2012 5:45 PM

    I now laugh chuckle at the notion that everyone had the Raiders as the dirtiest team in the league.

  56. damnyoulinelliot says: Mar 21, 2012 5:45 PM

    Vilma and all those players shouldn’t just get suspended, all that money they got from bounties should go to charity, or better yet to the retired players of the National Football League.

    You wanna send players into retirement, have them lose money and risk not being able to support their families? Then give the money back.

  57. nineroutsider says: Mar 21, 2012 5:45 PM

    Oops…they overlooked Alex Smith!

  58. pellucov68 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:46 PM

    they just should have gone Constanza on this whole matter….
    Was that wrong? Should we not have done that?

  59. bearsstillsuck says: Mar 21, 2012 5:48 PM

    If that won’t take away their Super Bowl, then it must be impossible to.

  60. adkfootballfan says: Mar 21, 2012 5:49 PM

    Saints desperately need to sign Brees to maintain franchise stability…

  61. sfsaintsfan says: Mar 21, 2012 5:51 PM

    Every starting QB (maybe a couple of really bad ones don’t) has a “bounty” on them before the game.

    Every team “wants” the opposing QB knocked out of the game.

    The real “crime” here was lying about the “incentive for big hits plan” not the legal hits themselves.

    And enough from the crying Vikings fans. Favre was a man, he got hit legally (one “illegal” hit) for the entire game because he was trying to win the game. The same could not be said for your former head coach. Moron, and morons.

  62. jetslag44years says: Mar 21, 2012 5:52 PM

    Drew birthmark on my face Brees wasn’t on the list?

  63. killitandeatit says: Mar 21, 2012 5:53 PM

    The hammer came down because the league and Goodell had to protect the entire way the organization is supposed to be run. This establishes the commissioner as supreme commander with absolute power and authority to ban you for life from the NFL. Lots of teams have been snubbing the league and are known dirty when it comes to taking out opposing players. I would say you have caught the complete and undivided attention of every team and player. The message is clear:don’t mess with the league or the commissioner .New Orleans has found out “no” means “no”.

  64. darthsaint says: Mar 21, 2012 5:53 PM

    How many of those guys were carted off the field? Warner, on a legal hit after an interception at the end of the game. Seriously, PFT is going to make 50+ stories out of one story.

    If they were trying so hard to hurt players. Shouldn’t there be a little proof that players actually got hurt?

    I’m not saying it is right. Obviously not. But the witch hunt is beyond ridiculous. Saints were made to be a scapegoat for what most teams in the league do as well. No two ways about that.

    Saints are different in that they for whatever dumb reason, didn’t take Goodell seriously when he first asked them to stop.

    But all these people saying good job Goodell, finally someone with the balls to do something. BS!!! NFL knew about all of this long ago and all they do is ask the Saints to stop? With the “unnamed” source going public, the NFL HAD to do something or else they would look complacent…which is exactly what they were until two months ago. Quit fooling yourselves. This happens on most teams. Its the reason Goodells letter to teams today said to make sure they do not have bounty systems on their team NOW. Point being, if they had them, which the league knows they did but has no appetite to investigate further…then to get rid of it ASAP.

    Be careful throwing those rocks out your glass house NFL fans.

  65. Matt Volk says: Mar 21, 2012 5:53 PM

    They’re a bunch of scumbags who got off easy imo

  66. 104312conundrum says: Mar 21, 2012 5:53 PM

    Probably silly and irrelevant at this point, but aren’t there ethics clauses in these guy’s contracts? Wouldn’t u think they could b fired for cause here? They shouldn’t b suspended, but should b canned outright! Sorry, I’m a newbie here

  67. 49erstim says: Mar 21, 2012 5:53 PM

    @dkeyser….

    In answer to your question of how many times Brees was targeted… You’d have to ask Gregg Williams. My guess…. Every padded practice. That D was a bunch of mercs and criminals. Please stop pretending they were innocent, it makes you look subhuman. Be better than that bro.

  68. funkylovemonkey says: Mar 21, 2012 5:55 PM

    trubroncfan07 says:
    Mar 21, 2012 5:36 PM
    Just one more thing to make the NFL a soft league. No wonder all the kids are into MMA now and not the NFL. If this keeps up they should name it the NCL for no contact league. I sure hate what Goodell has done to the league.

    ———————————————-

    Ridiculous.

    The NFL is more popular now then it has ever been. Twenty years ago you could have argued that the NBA or MLB were America’s sports. Now the NFL is the unquestioned king with the Superbowl almost a national holiday. Your assertion that somehow the NFL is losing popularity is not based on reality.

    You are kidding yourself if you think that any other commissioner in any other era of the NFL wouldn’t have come down hard on a team that put bounties on hurting other players. This has nothing to do with the recent safety changes or concussion rules, this has to do with incentivizing players to seriously injure opposing players. That has never been okay in the NFL. There’s a difference between the game being violent and intentionally trying to maim players.

  69. bryguy39 says: Mar 21, 2012 5:57 PM

    I think Gregg Williams and Sean Payton both deserve to have guys dive head first into both of there Knees! CHEAP SHOTS!!!!!

  70. sfsaintsfan says: Mar 21, 2012 6:00 PM

    How pissed off will most of you be when the Saints win the Super Bowl following the 2012 Season?

  71. sdb0ltz says: Mar 21, 2012 6:05 PM

    Ive got fiiiive on it…

  72. ncarolinarn7 says: Mar 21, 2012 6:06 PM

    Sean Peyton needs to be banned from the NFL for life.

  73. kingpel says: Mar 21, 2012 6:07 PM

    DAMN! Shawn King is FAT!

  74. rjkilla says: Mar 21, 2012 6:08 PM

    wow that email really shows that this is not the norm of play physical and let the chips fall where they may. disgusting

  75. weepingjebus says: Mar 21, 2012 6:11 PM

    “When interviewed in 2012, Sean Payton claimed to be entirely unaware of the program, a claim contradicted by others. Further, prior to the Saints’ opening game in 2011, Coach Payton received an email from a close associate that stated in part, “PS Greg Williams put me down for $5000 on Rogers (sic).” When shown the email during the course of the investigation, Coach Payton stated that it referred to a “bounty” on Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers.”

    In early 2010, Mr. Loomis advised Coach Payton that the league office was investigating allegations concerning a bounty program. Coach Payton said that he met with his top two defensive assistants, Coach Williams and Coach Vitt, in advance of the interview with league investigators and told them, “Let’s make sure our ducks are in a row.” Remarkably, Coach Payton claimed that he never inquired of Coach Williams and Coach Vitt as to what happened in the interviews, never asked them if a “pay-for-performance” or bounty program was in fact in place, and never gave any instructions to discontinue such a program.”

    – NFL.com

  76. jamaicanjasta says: Mar 21, 2012 6:12 PM

    sfsaintsfan says: Mar 21, 2012 5:51 PM

    And enough from the crying Vikings fans. Favre was a man, he got hit legally (one “illegal” hit) for the entire game because he was trying to win the game. The same could not be said for your former head coach. Moron, and morons.

    ————————–

    I like the way you put illegal in quotation marks, as if the penalty called didn’t count >.>. I’m pretty sure there were at least two illegal hits on Favre in that game and multiple fines from the league office afterwards for those hits and ones that weren’t called during the game.

  77. tropboi11 says: Mar 21, 2012 6:14 PM

    Haha even with the bounty you still lost a game against the Bucs, who dat

  78. rangenius says: Mar 21, 2012 6:14 PM

    Benson needs to do right thing, Fire Payton today!

  79. politebat says: Mar 21, 2012 6:15 PM

    im putting a Bounty out on Roger Goodell….$500 for a good tackle right between the numbers…oh wait im banned i cant watch the NFL for a year….Free SEAN PAYTON

  80. politebat says: Mar 21, 2012 6:17 PM

    Also Vikings fans..u lost cause you had 12 men in the huddle and on the very next play FARVE threw it to the wrong team. Plus whats your excuse for the 2010 season…we beat you then too

  81. andyreidisfat says: Mar 21, 2012 6:17 PM

    I still have no problem with paying players as an incentive, but all the lying and covering up I am ready to agree the saints got off light, it could have been worse

  82. pappavike says: Mar 21, 2012 6:18 PM

    To be the man, you have to beat the man and the saints beat the vikes but! it took illegal hits, missed calls, And the Vikes turning the ball over and even then it went to overtime! Saints want to play like bad As– then pay like bad As–

  83. deadeye says: Mar 21, 2012 6:18 PM

    I think Matt Ryan is insulted that he wasn’t on the list.

  84. glac1 says: Mar 21, 2012 6:19 PM

    It’s a shame Peyton and Williams got off so easy. They should be banned for life and jailed. The organization also should have been held accountable. They got by with a slap on the wrist.

  85. harperquinn says: Mar 21, 2012 6:21 PM

    Thanks to weepinjebus for this from NFL.com

    “When interviewed in 2012, Sean Payton claimed to be entirely unaware of the program, a claim contradicted by others. Further, prior to the Saints’ opening game in 2011, Coach Payton received an email from a close associate that stated in part, “PS Greg Williams put me down for $5000 on Rogers (sic).” When shown the email during the course of the investigation, Coach Payton stated that it referred to a “bounty” on Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers.”
    ==================================

    Payton is basically admitting that he lied, and lied big time. I don’t understand why some Saints fans are acting like they are the victims. If anything, they should be mad at their coaches for putting the team in this position.

  86. dcviking says: Mar 21, 2012 6:21 PM

    Funny to hear all the Saints fans responding about other fans “crying”…. that big “wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh” you just heard came from New Orleans where corruption is a way of life…

  87. grimmlock42 says: Mar 21, 2012 6:23 PM

    Imagine if the NFL started cracking down on bounties like baseball was cracking down on steroids? There’s 2 things steroids and bounties have in common. They’ll make you run faster and hit harder.

  88. zn0rseman says: Mar 21, 2012 6:24 PM

    Slap on the wrist.

    I can’t believe that almost no media outlets are reporting on the connection between Ornstein, the mob, gambling, and the Saints 2009 Super Bowl run.

    The punishment is a joke.

    The Saints are pretending to be shocked and devastated, when in reality they are giddy with relief at their mild “punishment”.

    Ask any Vikings fan if they’d give up 2 second round picks for the 2009 Super Bowl trophy that they surely would have won had it not been for the Saints bounty program and payoff of officials, directed by Ornstein. That game was as rigged as the 1986 Rose Bowl where Ronnie Harmon, who one of his teammates described to me as ” jusy as crooked as the day is long”, coughed up four fumbles to UCLA after his teammates witnessed him meeting with known gambling/mob affiliates. To this day, sports writers and NCAA officials denied it happened.

  89. judsonjr says: Mar 21, 2012 6:26 PM

    Well now that Sean Payton is out for a year, will Malcolm and the Middle start back up.

  90. turboreattore says: Mar 21, 2012 6:26 PM

    No Draft for 2 years, minus 20 M dollar avalaible in the salary cap for the next 2 years plus Payton, Williams and all staff suspended for 2 years. This could be a correct penalty for this garbage.

  91. raiduhdude says: Mar 21, 2012 6:28 PM

    And how exactly is this challenging the “integrity” of the game? Isn’t your goal to take out the player, whether it be by performance or injury?

  92. purple4reak says: Mar 21, 2012 6:28 PM

    Stripped of two second round picks? Are you kidding me? The T-Wolves got stripped of 5 FIRST round picks and $3.5 million for getting caught sliding some unreported $$$ to a player. No bounties where players careers were being threatened by injury. I thought Roger was supposed to be a tough guy? And you T’aint fans are griping!?! HA!

  93. ncarolinarn7 says: Mar 21, 2012 6:29 PM

    Life in prison for the state of Louisiana is the only just punishment.

  94. spviii says: Mar 21, 2012 6:30 PM

    Sean Payton’s father offered money to put in the bounty pot on Cam Newton but SP said he didn’t know anything about any money his dad had offered.

  95. marcinhouston says: Mar 21, 2012 6:31 PM

    No team has ever targeted Michael Vick’s ribs for injury and no self righteous media personalities have ever suggested the strategy of doing so could be effective. Isn’t it fun to re-write history? Lets pretend other teams didn’t do this, and didn’t subsequently deny it when they let something slip or were questioned.

  96. tdk24 says: Mar 21, 2012 6:31 PM

    I DEMAND THAT SUH BE SUSPENDED FOR 1 YEAR IMMEDIATELY FOR TARGETING THAT POOR PACKERS ARM AND STOMPED IT! He was trying to hurt that player and the NFL don’t play that. Suspend Harrison for at least 5 years for what he’s done over the last couple of years. Matter of fact, I want LT suspended from using crack for at least 2 years for breaking Joey Sunshine’s leg. Oh, and all the money that changes hands during a players/coach poker game at the rich guys house, that needs to be accounted for and fines need to be applied. That dinner that every superbowl winning QB bought his whole offensive line, yeah, that’s technically cheating the salary cap. I want the stopped immediately. Let’s see, where else can we go with this….

  97. sb34champs says: Mar 21, 2012 6:31 PM

    Anyone who thinks the NFL bounty program is a big deal and the consequences from it should b carried out is a complete moron! So what if players were paid on the side for performance, if you look back none of those hits during the Saints superbowl run were illegal, especially those on brett farve! Just look what the NFL has become over the past decade….a bunch of millionaire pansies playing flag football. This $h!T ain’t soccer ppl, its american football! Get over yourself, idiots!

  98. chefjayson says: Mar 21, 2012 6:31 PM

    Couple things. 1) Saints fans…shut up. You’re acting just like the Pats when they got caught. Whining about “everyone does it.” Simple facts…no they don’t. And if they do…they’re smart enough to erase emails and hand written letters talking about it. Just you spouting “everyone” does NOT make it true. When the offical NFL investigation comes out on other teams…then you’re allowed to talk about it. Until then…you’re in timeout so stand in the corner and be quiet.
    2) There needs to be another investigation into Ornstein. Why would somebody not associated with the team be putting money into a pot like that? Simple. VEGAS! Put 5000 on the other teams qb and take the Saints and the under. Or how about all the games the Saints were pointlessly jackin up the score? Orstein had the Saints and the Over? I wonder how deep into the organization something like that would go.

  99. ruvelligwebuike says: Mar 21, 2012 6:32 PM

    Payton and Williams deal before the first game of the regular season:

    “Guys, please take Rodgers out before he puts up 248 yards and 3 Td’s in the first quarter on our sorry squad.”

  100. zn0rseman says: Mar 21, 2012 6:32 PM

    gavinmac says:
    Mar 21, 2012 5:41 PM
    Mike Ornstein, a two time felon not employed by the team, sent Payton an email offering to put down $5,000 to incentivize Saints players to injure Aaron Rodgers? How did Payton respond to that email?

    Why would an outsider want to put down money like this, unless he thought he was affecting what happened on the field? Was Ornstein just a “fan,” or did this two time felon have money on the Saints, or money on the Bears to win the NFC Central, or a connection with Matt Flynn’s agent?

    This is pretty troubling that Payton would be associating with Ornstein and letting him put down money to pay Saints players to injure the best player in the game.

    http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2012/03/mike_ornsteins_association_wit.html

     —————
    I want to know what connection Ornstein also had to NFL Officials and to kingpins in Vegas. That’s the real story IMO. Does that explain some of those mystery Viking fumbles where the player never got touched? See 1986 Rose Bowl and Ronnie Harmon.

  101. yanksbills says: Mar 21, 2012 6:34 PM

    Ugly black stain on the Saints reputation, not to mention the other teams Williams worked with.

    I guess that’s the game: cheat until you get caught, and deny everything until it’s been proven.

  102. lennydpocketqb says: Mar 21, 2012 6:35 PM

    Terrible. Embarrassing to this franchise. If I was Drew Brees, I’d find a way out of that hell hole quickly. Subsequently, if I was Drew Brees I’d be taller as well.

  103. slowclyde86 says: Mar 21, 2012 6:36 PM

    politebat says: Mar 21, 2012 6:15 PM

    im putting a Bounty out on Roger Goodell….$500 for a good tackle right between the numbers…oh wait im banned i cant watch the NFL for a year….Free SEAN PAYTON

    ___________________________

    Quite possibly the dumbest post I have ever seen.

  104. pilot2011 says: Mar 21, 2012 6:37 PM

    Didn’t Cam’s brother get picked up by the Saints last year? That’s pretty messed up

  105. wicky888 says: Mar 21, 2012 6:37 PM

    At this point, with the emergence of Cam Newtons name, one can only assume they had a bounty on ALL opposing QBs, but these four were the only ones anyone could prove. If you read the whole report, these guys got exactly what they deserved. Wonder what they will do to the players? If you let those guys back onto the field, the players would probably take matters into their own hands. I say ban em for life.

  106. samoan1 says: Mar 21, 2012 6:37 PM

    Take em out of the HOF game too! My Card’s don’t wanna play such a pathetic team! Bring on the Donkeys instead!

  107. mnsportsrube says: Mar 21, 2012 6:39 PM

    As a vikings fan I think my bitterness about this whole situation is pretty obvious. but if i was a cards fan I would be pretty pissed off too. I could be wrong but I swear that Warner got a concussion in the divisional round that year, and it caused him to retire.

    So, basically these dirty players purposefully ended warners career…. all for what? 10,000$? Thats pretty low

  108. dkeyser says: Mar 21, 2012 6:44 PM

    Yup im a whining Saints fan.. I have no problem with the punishment that was handed down today..none what so ever.. BUTT if anyone of you think that this has NEVER happened before, you are either naive or stupid…

  109. sixburghrules says: Mar 21, 2012 6:48 PM

    dcviking says: Mar 21, 2012 6:21 PM

    Funny to hear all the Saints fans responding about other fans “crying”…. that big “wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh” you just heard came from New Orleans where corruption is a way of life…
    ________________________________
    Sounds like that same statement could apply to Washington DC!

  110. bryans49ers says: Mar 21, 2012 6:50 PM

    Hey Saints fan. . PAPER or PLASTIC

  111. iluvbears says: Mar 21, 2012 6:52 PM

    Maybe the ‘Aints should have had to give up a first round pick to each of the teams whose QBs they had put bounties on and had intended to injure? That would have been much more fair than the two measly 2nd round picks they lose.

  112. dorn09 says: Mar 21, 2012 6:56 PM

    No Bounty on Jay Cutler, make sure he is healthy and throwing INT’s. In fact your fined if you knock Cutler out of the game!

  113. jiggerdave says: Mar 21, 2012 7:01 PM

    Jeff Ireland is the snitch :)

  114. xxwhodatxx says: Mar 21, 2012 7:01 PM

    Matt-NC says:
    Mar 21, 2012 5:41 PM
    xxwhodatxx says: Mar 21, 2012 5:36 PM

    Here’s one hoping someone puts a bounty on Goodell.

    ————————————————————–

    Why? Because your coach got caught?

     ——–

    No bc of the ridiculous over the top punishment

  115. dcviking says: Mar 21, 2012 7:02 PM

    dcviking says: Mar 21, 2012 6:21 PM

    Funny to hear all the Saints fans responding about other fans “crying”…. that big “wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh” you just heard came from New Orleans where corruption is a way of life…
    ________________________________
    Sounds like that same statement could apply to Washington DC!

    ———————————————–

    You, sir, are absolutely correct…

  116. geauxmez says: Mar 21, 2012 7:03 PM

    doesnt every defense target every opposing quarterback? this is dumb.

  117. jmig320 says: Mar 21, 2012 7:03 PM

    Apologies if this repeats- my 1st post didn’t seem to go through.

    It’s not just the crime, but the cover up that makes this be such a big deal. Years of lies & denials.

    Forget the ”everyone else was doing it” defense. The saints were the ones to get caught. If you’re speeding in a pack of cars & get pulled over, the cop doesn’t care if ”everyone else was doing it.”

  118. ishoulbeagm says: Mar 21, 2012 7:06 PM

    If you have never played football (defense in particular) then you don’t understand the mentality. You can’t. It takes a killer instinct to play this game! There is no better feeling than hitting a man so hard that he cannot get up! We celebrate it. The team rallies around big plays like it. The want to cause pain to, not injure, someone in this sport is in essense what makes it so great. If you don’t think that every team Micheal Vick plays intends to knock him out of the game than you are only If you have never played football (defense in particular) then you don’t understand the mentality. You can’t. It takes a killer instinct to play this game! There is no better feeling than hitting a man so hard that he cannot get up! We celebrate it. The team rallies around big plays like it. The want to cause pain to, not injure, someone in this sport is in essense what makes it so great. If you don’t think that every team Micheal Vick plays intends to knock him out of the game than you are only fooling yourself. It is not a part of the game it IS the game! Causing pain to opposing players is what you do! Not injure. Hurt! There is a big difference. yourself. It is not a part of the game it IS the game! Causing pain to opposing players is what you do! Not injure. Hurt! There is a big difference.

  119. saywhatwhy2011 says: Mar 21, 2012 7:12 PM

    Darren Sharper: “Oh we weren’t dirty! We just hit hard!!” Yeah right! Too bad he can’t be fined or suspended now! I think he protests too much!!!

  120. turbopro25 says: Mar 21, 2012 7:15 PM

    Saints had a bounty on Rodgers too huh? Guess I didn’t notice since he torched the Saints D in week one. Good strategy Saints, EPIC FAIL!

  121. pongonfl says: Mar 21, 2012 7:17 PM

    ? Williams was hired by the saints because of this.

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/indianapolis-colts/09000d5d8275f9af/Did-Redskins-cause-Manning-s-neck-injury

  122. yooperman says: Mar 21, 2012 7:20 PM

    Why is a felon emailing with a NFL coach?

  123. yourmindismytoilet says: Mar 21, 2012 7:25 PM

    Goodell and his “gates”. This guy wants to turn the NFL into the WWE/TMZ. Drama queen.

  124. whodeydaytonchapter says: Mar 21, 2012 7:32 PM

    Not a Saints fan but I find it interesting to see all the happy fans because of the suspension. I don’t agree with the bounty, I think it is in poor taste. I do however know that this is just the beginning. It would be childish to think the Saints are the only team that has ever done this. In the day and age of free agency’s ‘here today across the street tomorrow’ environment, it might be smart gamesmanship to “snitch.” If a guy could get his old Head Coach tossed out for a year and even the score with him from when he cut you, that might be a win/win. It might weaken a competitor and feel warm and fuzzy.

  125. jetsfan80 says: Mar 21, 2012 7:39 PM

    An absolute disgrace. In the NFC Championship game in 2009 Brett Favre caught cheap shot after cheap shot. Obviously we now know why.

  126. turbopro25 says: Mar 21, 2012 7:41 PM

    Big difference when you say, “Hey go out their and hit this guy Hard over and over and let him know we are there and coming for him.” and “Hey 1000 bucks to the guy who breaks his leg and takes him out of the game.” Don’t bother trying to defend it with. “its a rough sport”. It’s also an Honorable game last I checked.

  127. bonniebengal says: Mar 21, 2012 8:02 PM

    Anyone who has been injured by a Saints player under this regime should be contacting their lawyer and preparing to sue the Saints, the individual players and coaches involved, and the NFL

  128. captaintriumph says: Mar 21, 2012 8:06 PM

    Why don’t the Vikings get the Saints forfeited draft picks???

  129. jhtobias says: Mar 21, 2012 8:15 PM

    As if being an indoor football team wasn’t enough to qualify you as cheaters.

  130. jessethegreat says: Mar 21, 2012 8:23 PM

    Maybe this is why Breesus is playing hardball in negociations. He knows that the teams his Saints defense targeted as going to put him in the crosshairs.

    This reminds me of baseball where the manager from a player that got beaned goes after the other team.

    I personally hope every defense trys to end Brees career next year.

    Just think New Orleans, if you thought Katrina was bad, you haven’t seen anything yet!

  131. someidiotfromouthereintheprojects says: Mar 21, 2012 8:24 PM

    how would all you saints fans feel if you found out a team in your own division you see twice a year had a bounty on drew brees? livid…that’s how us carolina fans feel about your crappy team and punk coaches. you can run and tell that!

  132. detroitcityryda says: Mar 21, 2012 8:39 PM

    Man I was really pulling for saints but now that I see they tried to kill every qb out there even new kid newton in happy roger that rog put down the sword on their necks . Good to see my lions are a clean team and saints are the dirtiest team in the nfl let’s get that right , and bears are just drug dealing wife beating boys but we know that in the D.

  133. bmfandre says: Mar 21, 2012 8:41 PM

    Why are fans of the roughest, toughest sport in the world acting like a bunch of vaginas about all of this? Violence is what made this sport so popular. I swear I read all of the comments and I want to throw up. It’s funny how the targets (Warner, Favre) of this bounty program could care less – its happens from Pee Wee on up, so quit being a bunch of whiny beeeotches!

  134. nflpuppetmaster says: Mar 21, 2012 8:46 PM

    “It’s also an Honorable game last I checked.” What game are you watching? Ask a player what goes on in the bottom of a pile trying to recover a fumble. How honorable can a sport be when there is rampant PED use, and they still don’t test for HGH, not to mention how many guys are beating the current drug testing system? The only honor in football is gained by winning the game and getting paid. While I’m not against the Saints punishment, I understand that football is a brutal, dangerous, and ugly game at times, I’m okay with that. You people that have this notion that what the Saints did was so horrible because of the honor or integrity of the game should start paying attention. They’re being punished because they got caught and are being made an example of. If you think Jared Allen, Kevin Williams and the rest of the Vikings D weren’t trying to do the same thing to Brees, you’re delusional and naive. Were some of the hits on Favre illegal?(I can only recall one hit that was missed by the officials, but then again I’m not a Vikings fan. In fact I would say if you want to blame someone for the loss blame the officials, not anything the Saints did.) Sure, but that happens in every game. Calls get missed. Here’s a thought: if you don’t want to get your QB hit make sure you’ve got a decent offensive line. If you want honor and integrity in your sports, watch golf.

  135. drgreenstreak says: Mar 21, 2012 8:46 PM

    Back to the cellar where you belong, Saints!

  136. bmfandre says: Mar 21, 2012 8:46 PM

    Stripping the Saints of draft picks and suspending the coaches and GM is Goodell’s way of makign the rest of the league have a shot at next year’s Super Bowl.

    To all of the Viking fans whining about egtting the Saints’ draft picks: What for? Do you really think all that your sorry team needs is a couple of extra 2nd round picks to be a contender? You think Christian Ponder is goign to take you to the Promised Land??? HAAAA!!! A.P. will never be the same again.

    The NFL is going to have a fit when Brees is hoising the Lombardi in the Dome on February. CAN’T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  137. leatherface2012 says: Mar 21, 2012 8:48 PM

    dont know if the vikings play the saints, but i hope jared allen doesnt stumble and hit brees right at the knees

  138. randomjim says: Mar 21, 2012 9:09 PM

    deangelo1776 says:
    Mar 21, 2012 5:40 PM
    How bout being fair and doing and investigation on how many times Brees was a target for a bounty….

    —–

    What an absurd statement. You must be a Saints fan.

    ——————————-
    Or retarded.

    New Orleans should be taken off the list to host the Super Bowl for 10 years. The organization perpetrated lies when question about their misdoings.

  139. baldeaglejohnie says: Mar 21, 2012 9:10 PM

    if your into something shady, DON’T USE EMAIL!

  140. dcviking says: Mar 21, 2012 9:20 PM

    bmfandre says: Mar 21, 2012 8:46 PM

    Stripping the Saints of draft picks and suspending the coaches and GM is Goodell’s way of makign the rest of the league have a shot at next year’s Super Bowl.
    \———————————-

    That’s right, Slappy because the Saints looked so strong in the playoffs this year.

    But don’t worry, I’m sure they can use the draft to replace all the guys who are suspended, and by draft I mean day 2.5 on…

  141. kdt1963 says: Mar 21, 2012 9:32 PM

    Would have been tough for Ornstein to send an email and commit to a $5000 bounty for a game in September if, say, he went to jail in March 2011 and stayed there until November of 2011.

  142. cornersss says: Mar 21, 2012 9:41 PM

    Might as well add manning. If you watch the redskins game where he got hurt it was pretty blatant how they cranked him with one holding his lower body and the other guy wrenching his head off like a top head backwards.Was nasty looking

  143. kdt1963 says: Mar 21, 2012 9:43 PM

    Might have been tough for Ornstein to send an email offering up a bounty on a game in September 2011, when, say, he might have gone to jail in March 2011 and stayed there until November 2011.

  144. thatswhatimsayin says: Mar 21, 2012 9:50 PM

    Ok here we geaux again one more time for the idiot Saints fans out there. In 2009 Roger Goodell asked the Saints if they were using bounty’s. the simple answer would have been “i have heard something about it, but i will get to the bottom of it and i assure you Mr. Goodell this will never happen again”. But noooooo your entire organization kept it going, took outside money for it, had an email chain (seriously who does that?) and lied through their teeth when caught. The league lowered the boom for the cover up and the systemic nature of it. Keep up the “everybody does it” whining. Tanya Harding probably thought everybody beat the knees in of their rivals too. Cover ups are always worse just ask Nixon.

  145. trevroc says: Mar 21, 2012 9:52 PM

    Is it to late to get Jeff Ireland on the list?

  146. moreafan says: Mar 21, 2012 10:02 PM

    jessethegreat bringing Katrina in the mix? Sounds like he had a bad experience down south like “his team getting their buts kicked” bounty or not. Its a football game. All teams give incentives. Saints got caught. Get over it and move on.

  147. tjkelly1977 says: Mar 21, 2012 10:08 PM

    I remember watching a documentary on Jim Brown, probably the most physical runner ever. He stated he always got up slow whenever he was tackled because he didn’t want to let them know when he was hurt. The point is the defensive player is told to hit, to intimidate his opponent, make him feel each blow he delivers. Every now and then someone gets injured. But to openly put a bounty out to hurt certain players is unjust. I don’t disagree with the concept of rewarding good plays. It’s akin to parents rewarding kids for good grades. But say take player X out is wrong. As a Panther fan I am elated about the outcome of Goodell’s rulings, but a part of me does feel football is losing the foundation it was built on. That list of bounty targets was a who’s who of NFL qbs. Cam should be honored

  148. toosharp23 says: Mar 21, 2012 10:21 PM

    The Tonya Harding-Nancy Kerrigan incident should be enough to set precedent since it is the exact same thing. someone being paid to take out another athlete to change the out come of the game and better your own chance of winning.. Shawn Eckhardt was sentenced to 18 months for racketeering and this by definition is a case of Racketeering. A pattern of illegal activity carried out as part of an enterprise that is owned or controlled by those who are engaged in the illegal activity. This can also include Sports bribery- they were bribed to injured players to the point to take them out of the contest thus effecting betting outcomes.
    If I was to pay someone $5000 to break someones leg I would go to prison immediately.

  149. bigpackbigwin says: Mar 21, 2012 10:26 PM

    jakek2. total hater that cam newton could destroy you in checkers. Let alone the ‘aints next year. Cuz that what they will be. nothing close to a playoff team

  150. kismyanus says: Mar 21, 2012 10:33 PM

    sb34champs says: Mar 21, 2012 6:31 PM

    Anyone who thinks the NFL bounty program is a big deal and the consequences from it should b carried out is a complete moron! So what if players were paid on the side for performance, if you look back none of those hits during the Saints superbowl run were illegal, especially those on brett farve! Just look what the NFL has become over the past decade….a bunch of millionaire pansies playing flag football. This $h!T ain’t soccer ppl, its american football! Get over yourself, idiots!
    _____________________________
    Hahahaha! The NFL has said the hit low on Favre where he threw the pick was ILLEGAL and should have been a personal foul (15 yards and game winner). I hate the vikings and even I can tell they got robbed. Face it the Saints super bowl will never mean crap to people who know the NFL. I guess Goodell is DAT! Goodell straight made the Saints his b!tch.

  151. ghult says: Mar 22, 2012 2:47 AM

    Those are penalties?? What a joke. Lifetime bans would have been appropriate.

  152. bearsoxass says: Mar 22, 2012 5:08 AM

    SB 44: no champs
    SB 45: GB Packers
    SB 46: NY Giants

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