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Cosell deems RG3 a “superior arm talent and natural passer” to Luck

Robert Griffin III, Mike Shanahan AP

ESPN’s Merril Hoge caused a stir last week when he advised the Colts to draft Baylor’s Robert Griffin III over Stanford’s Andrew Luck with the first pick in the draft.

NFL Films’ Greg Cosell, perhaps the most prolific game-tape watcher of the sport today, indicated in a recent comparative essay that he doesn’t disagree with Hoge.

Cosell says he watched five tapes of each player. As Hoge also acknowledged, Cosell entered the film sessions with the impression that Luck “was the most NFL-ready quarterback to come out since Peyton Manning.”

By the end of his film work, however, Cosell concluded that Griffin is “a superior arm talent and natural passer” to Luck.

“Luck was not a special passer based on film study,” wrote Cosell. “He is not the same kind of arm talent as Matthew Stafford or Cam Newton. … Luck was an economical player who was at his best as a timing and rhythm, short to intermediate passer.”

Cosell did credit Luck for his masterful ability to call plays and make adjustments at the line of scrimmage, calling it an “essential attribute as [Luck] transitions to the NFL.”

Based strictly on game tape, however, RG3 was the more remarkable quarterback.

“What immediately jumped out was his arm strength,” Cosell wrote. “… Griffin, for a power thrower, was consistently accurate. The better term for accuracy is ball location. That’s what allows receivers to run after the catch. Griffin excelled in that area.”

Cosell went on to praise Griffin’s “composure in the pocket” as better than Luck’s, as well as RG3′s ability to throw from different arm angles while maintaining consistent accuracy. Cosell suggested that Griffin, despite playing in Baylor’s spread scheme, was less of a system quarterback than Luck, who was “managed and manipulated by his offense.”

So maybe the Colts do have a decision to make at No. 1 overall.

Or maybe the Redskins are getting the best quarterback in the draft.

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170 Responses to “Cosell deems RG3 a “superior arm talent and natural passer” to Luck”
  1. Mr. Wright 212 says: Mar 24, 2012 7:08 PM

    Can’t wait for the season.

  2. nflfollower says: Mar 24, 2012 7:09 PM

    “He is not the same kind of arm talent as Matt Stafford or Cam Newton”—–music to the ears of Panthers and Lions fans. Not they needed to hear it of course, they already know what they’ve got with their respective QB’s.

  3. deangelo23hall says: Mar 24, 2012 7:10 PM

    Irrelevant. Luck still going to the Colts, RG3 to the Skins.

  4. domeinate says: Mar 24, 2012 7:10 PM

    Could have told you that. Watch the games. Don’t listen to the commentators. Judge for yourself.

  5. neovenator250 says: Mar 24, 2012 7:11 PM

    Wow. I’d never listen to something like that when an idiot like Merril Hodge says it. This is legit, though. Excuse me while I go to ESPN3 and see if I can watch some stuff myself

  6. naptownwarrior says: Mar 24, 2012 7:12 PM

    these analysts are sooooooo scared to criticize rg3 because they will be called a racist by jesse jackson or al sharpton, what a bunch of cowards. everybody knows that luck is hands on the best prospect in the draft. these suckup analyst cowards are too afraid to say the facts and will keep talking up rg3 as the greatest thing ever, just like they did about vince young and michael vick and jamarcus russell etc.

  7. trojan33sc says: Mar 24, 2012 7:13 PM

    Finally the truth comes out, however either one will be an excellent addition to any team !

  8. babyhorsemorgan says: Mar 24, 2012 7:13 PM

    None of this is news. We didn’t require stone tablets from The Nephew to make it official.

    Since the college recruiting Combines. But what The Nephew neglect to mention is that Gabbert is the cream of that class. Luck is most accurate, Griffin better arm, Gabbert THE FULL PACKAGE.

    That is how it will play out. Gabbert was the first puppy out of the box and looked a little awkward and clumsy, but he will be the Alpha Dog.

  9. andrejohnsonforpresident says: Mar 24, 2012 7:13 PM

    Not a big college fan but I had the same feelings about luck when I watched him. Either his running game was destroying or when he was playing he just seemed to lack the “it” factor. Don’t know what it was nor do I claim that I called it. Just sayin if you watch him play you can almost tell that he’s good. Peyton good though? I think not.

  10. kingpel says: Mar 24, 2012 7:16 PM

    I am curious if the Colts will be tricked by all these guys falling over RGIII and make the mistake of taking him 1st. I know the Redskins would be delirious with joy if Luck fell to them.

  11. jh500 says: Mar 24, 2012 7:18 PM

    Luck won’t have half the rookie season Cam Newton had (who is the undisputed greatest rookie of all time). Colts have to take RG3.

  12. thenewenglandpatriots12 says: Mar 24, 2012 7:18 PM

    Everyone has there opinions none of us will be sure who the better Quaterback is until the end of the 2012 season.

  13. jaggedmark says: Mar 24, 2012 7:18 PM

    Well yeah. Couldn’t we all tell that by watching? I could.

  14. jasonculhane says: Mar 24, 2012 7:18 PM

    They said the same thing about Ryan Leaf before the draft. Its all talk, I’d rather have a smart guy who can make all the throws within 30-35 yards, thats gonna win you games. Andre Ware, Achilles Smith and David Klingler all looked great on tape too..Remember those guys?

  15. preventoffense says: Mar 24, 2012 7:19 PM

    This is beginning to irritate me. As a slightly more than casual fan, I need other benchmarks than RG3 vs Luck. I need Luck and RG3 benchmarked against other players college film and assessment, say, Peyton Manning and Michael Vick.

    Why? Because if Luck is significantly less capable than Manning (coming out of college) then we have something to discuss. If it is marginal or the same as Manning then it does not matter.

  16. kingpel says: Mar 24, 2012 7:19 PM

    RGIII is a nice guy, smart and deadly accurate. Totally unlike every other black QB we have stereotyped in past drafts.

    Why am I suspicious of these “experts”?

  17. bhop49 says: Mar 24, 2012 7:20 PM

    @naptownwarrior
    Get out of the box man!! not everything is just white or black.
    If anyone is blinded by race, it is clearly you.
    The man’s opinion is based on film, if you cared enough to read the article you will not necessary agree but you will at least see his points.
    Wake up!!

  18. stampnhawk says: Mar 24, 2012 7:22 PM

    As far as I am concerned, ability to read the play and keep composure during the play and in the game in general are the biggest keys for the NFL. Sure you have to have arm strength and ability, but how you handle decision making is the fine line between being Kordell Stewart and a post-Falcons Mike Vick.

    The NFL is two steps quicker then college. Its great that RGIII can throw it harder and supposedly smarter to their college receiveres.

    But if he’s pressured more, his receivers are covered better, and teams throw a wrinkle in formation wise come the NFL, the split second indecision he may have to throw negates any sort of arm strength or natural passing ability real quick.

    Again, nothing against him, and who knows if Luck’s so called composure is good enough to NFL standards either.

    Out of this I find it ironic that Hoge (again, just trying to make himself relevant by being against the grain, nothing more) is dazzled by pure athleticism over game composure and management when he hasn’t played an NFL down yet to show if he has the composure, while at the same time, ripping Tebow (again, to be the supposed “analytic voice” which just means a controversial one so people will listen to him) for having no brain when it comes to football.

  19. fumblenuts says: Mar 24, 2012 7:22 PM

    “Cosell did credit Luck for his masterful ability to call plays and make adjustments at the line of scrimmage, calling it an “essential attribute as [Luck] transitions to the NFL.”

    That’s why the Colts will go with Luck. They want a QB like Manning.

  20. latopian says: Mar 24, 2012 7:22 PM

    Greg Cosell, 2007:

    “Oh, man, can [he] flick it. Like Elway, he has the ability to see and make downfield throws 50 yards when he’s on the move. If you think [he] is one of those special quarterbacks — and in the NFL right now, there’s Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Carson Palmer— you have to take him. I don’t know how the Raiders have him evaluated. But I can tell you watching him on film, he wowed me. This kid is a special passer, and he’s got a complete inventory of throws. He’s got that football intuition. He throws from different platforms, doesn’t always have to be perfectly set and can move within the boxing-ring space of the pocket to find the quiet area.”

    “He” = JaMarcus Russell.

  21. clw1906 says: Mar 24, 2012 7:25 PM

    Naptownwarrior Just the mere fact that you chose to inject race in a topic that should be purely based on and has been based on film speaks volumes about you and only you.

  22. jaggedmark says: Mar 24, 2012 7:25 PM

    naptownwarrior says:
    Mar 24, 2012 7:12 PM
    these analysts are sooooooo scared to criticize rg3 because they will be called a racist by jesse jackson or al sharpton, what a bunch of cowards. everybody knows that luck is hands on the best prospect in the draft. these suckup analyst cowards are too afraid to say the facts and will keep talking up rg3 as the greatest thing ever, just like they did about vince young and michael vick and jamarcus russell etc.
    ——————————————–
    Several analysts had no problem last year saying Newton would be at least a 3 year project, as they criticized multiple areas of his game. YOU, go away!

  23. txndave says: Mar 24, 2012 7:26 PM

    Hey colts, you guys don’t want RG3…
    Come on guys please say you don’t want him…

    Signed,

    Texan fan

  24. duanethomas says: Mar 24, 2012 7:27 PM

    @naptownwarrior. Thanks for throwing race into the equation. Now we all know what you are……

  25. plum13sec says: Mar 24, 2012 7:29 PM

    Talent doesnt equal success. The only saving grace about RG3 is that he is hungry for success. You cant say the same about jamarcus, even tho he had the ‘arm strength’ thing down. Luck Is going to be great. Deciphering defenses on the line and mastering rythm is crucial. Arm strength is a nice stat that matters mostly in video games.

  26. thatdudewiththemarauder says: Mar 24, 2012 7:31 PM

    naptownwarrior says: Mar 24, 2012 7:12 PM

    these analysts are sooooooo scared to criticize rg3 because they will be called a racist by jesse jackson or al sharpton, what a bunch of cowards. everybody knows that luck is hands on the best prospect in the draft. these suckup analyst cowards are too afraid to say the facts and will keep talking up rg3 as the greatest thing ever, just like they did about vince young and michael vick and jamarcus russell etc.
    ——————————————-

    Dude. It’s 2012 and this is FOOTBALL! Why must everything be black and white? It’s FOOTBALL. RG3 is the real deal and he happens to be black. Who cares. HTTR!

  27. megaspartan87 says: Mar 24, 2012 7:31 PM

    Andrew Luck = Overrated

  28. detsportsdude says: Mar 24, 2012 7:32 PM

    Back from the grave, Howard Cosell!!…monday night football will rock this fall!

  29. steelernationsparksjealousy says: Mar 24, 2012 7:35 PM

    “Luck was an economical player who was at his best as a timing and rhythm, short to intermediate passer.”

    Sanchez?

  30. thatdudewiththemarauder says: Mar 24, 2012 7:35 PM

    I like that picture they used. RG3 already got Shanny changing the playbook. It looks like he telling Shanny, “all that running straight up the gut on first down, we are not doing that anymore”. Shanny says ” is there anything else you don’t like about the playbook”? Thumbs up if you guys think RG3 already got a Skins playbook. HTTR!

  31. mjkelly77 says: Mar 24, 2012 7:35 PM

    Isn’t Merril Hoge good friends with Ben Dogra of Creative Artists Agency, Griffin’s agent? I see how that works.

  32. bigtommyphilly says: Mar 24, 2012 7:36 PM

    The Eagles will get RG3 and forskins will get Vick

  33. thcnote says: Mar 24, 2012 7:37 PM

    I will always take the QB who can read what the D is doing and make the right adjustment at the line. That’s what separates the good from the great.

  34. briang123 says: Mar 24, 2012 7:38 PM

    If RH3 ends up better than Luck, these geniuses get to say I told you do. If not, no one really remembers unless RG3 is. Total bust, which he will not be. Qbs with Luck’s skill set are in the Super Bowl every year. Show anyone the film and they will gush over Vick while calling Eli Manning boring. Yet which one has 2 Super Bowls? No GM would take RG3 over Luck. None.

  35. rabbdogg says: Mar 24, 2012 7:39 PM

    RG3 IS better

  36. ckirklin79 says: Mar 24, 2012 7:40 PM

    @latopian
    Cosell evaluated what he saw on “film”. Russell was without a doubt, those things Cosell gushed about, on the field. What DIDN’T show up on film is what type of character Russell had. It didn’t show who his inner circle was and it didn’t show what he was like OFF the field with millions of dollars. THOSE things are the risk you take on a player. If you can, try finding some info on Russell’s pre-draft interviews or Wonderlic score. The things that DON’T show up on film is what can separate RGIII from Russell or whatever other QB bust you want to compare him too.

  37. transam7816 says: Mar 24, 2012 7:41 PM

    @latopian
    Very nice. The only thing different is that the kid from Baylor seems like he has the will and drive to succeed. And he doesn’t hit up the purple drank

  38. franbotel says: Mar 24, 2012 7:44 PM

    All i know is that Andrew luck played with better talent in college than RG3.

  39. RexCanCoach says: Mar 24, 2012 7:44 PM

    The NY Jets trade Mark Sanchez AND Tim Tebow to the Redskins for 2nd pick in 2012 NFL draft, and select RG3.

  40. realnflmaster says: Mar 24, 2012 7:45 PM

    JaMarcus Russel is a superior arm talent as well.

  41. georgeblanda says: Mar 24, 2012 7:46 PM

    I have never understood why anyone listens to Greg Cosell for opinions about football talent. Yes, he watches tons of film… that’s because he is a “film maker”. What he isn’t is an NFL talent evaluator. As for Merill Hodge…

  42. gweez76 says: Mar 24, 2012 7:47 PM

    JaMarcus Russell fooled a lot of people. Cosell is a student of the game and this article paints his opinion unfairly. But there are quite a few on the RG3 train.

  43. wyrdawg says: Mar 24, 2012 7:52 PM

    While I realize that Mr. Cosell watches ten tons of tape that we’re not privy to, I’ll throw out this caveat.

    He’s watching tape of college players going against this guy that will not even be drafted. That’s the fallacy of the draft.

    That’s the reason for the instituted rookie salary cap (See Mel Kiper jersey in the Hall of Fame).

    PLEASE Greg. Stick to what you do and stay out of this game. Keep yourself real.

    Thanks!

    Real Fan.

  44. thepowerofgreen says: Mar 24, 2012 7:53 PM

    So “Suck for Luck” was all for nothing?

  45. lakerluver says: Mar 24, 2012 7:54 PM

    Hey, naptownwarrior, you forgot to mention several other busts who were high draft picks: Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf, David Carr, etc. My point is it’s possible they BOTH could be exceptional. Or they both could flame out. But to name all the black QB busts and conveniently forget the white ones isn’t very fair. I’m black and I NEVER thought Cam Newton was gonna be as good as he already is. On the other hand, I thought Vince Young would tear the league up. With NFL players, especially qb’s, you just never know. I can’t wait for football season. I’m willing to bet they’re both gonna be stars.

  46. iamthorny says: Mar 24, 2012 7:56 PM

    All I hope is Indy gets the “Ryan Leaf” out of the two this time around.

    Tanking the season as they did is almost as bad as what Greg Williams and the Saints did.

  47. belgaron says: Mar 24, 2012 7:59 PM

    Russell was an awesome QB until he got fat, indifferent, and poorly coached and developed by a C level organization.

  48. steviemo says: Mar 24, 2012 8:01 PM

    Having watched virtually every Stanford game the last 3 years, if anyone passes on this guy for anyone but God himself, they are a flipping idiot. This dude is going to be one of the all-time greats. Washington should get down on their knees each night and pray that Indy passes on him, which they won’t. Griffin is plenty good; Luck is Peyton Manning with wheels.

  49. litemater95 says: Mar 24, 2012 8:03 PM

    “Luck was an economical player who was at his best as a timing and rhythm, short to intermediate passer.”

    Remove Luck’s Name, insert – Montana, Joe

    That worked out ok.

  50. The Overtime Sports Talk Show says: Mar 24, 2012 8:05 PM

    Folks these teams are going to pick the QB that fits their system. Luck fits, the Colts. RG3 the Redskins. It’s really that simple.

  51. jtchernak says: Mar 24, 2012 8:10 PM

    Mad a bet with my buddy that rg3 is better than luck in the future I hope I remember that bet

  52. vanmorrissey says: Mar 24, 2012 8:11 PM

    So, calling your own plays, playing from a pro set, and performing at a superior level with less talent around you counts for…..? Hogwash. RG III while a great talent played in a conference with much less quality defense and had world class speed on the outside. So now all the media manipulations come out from the spin given off by agents and teams. Yawn.

  53. pacodawg says: Mar 24, 2012 8:12 PM

    My neighbor breaks down film too; he liked Colt McCoy too. Big Deal.

  54. leftysmoke says: Mar 24, 2012 8:22 PM

    I’m a big RG3 supporter, but this had me laughing:

    “Cosell went on to praise Griffin’s ‘composure in the pocket’ as better than Luck’s”

    I suggest you go back and watch some more tape, Mr. Cosell.

    If anything, Griffin consistently struggles when under pressure, holding on to the ball too long and immediately looking to the outside. He also quickly bails on his reads and needs to seriously improve in reading he blitz.

    Luck is the superior prospect and SHOULD be the better pro. However, who knows?

  55. andreaallennyc says: Mar 24, 2012 8:28 PM

    Plain silly to put so much emphasis on arm strength. Anyone who emphasizes that so much is not a sensible judge of QBs. Also desn’t take into account the offensive system and what sort of receivers we’re available. Doesn’t mention placement. Some QBs are good at getting the ball in the “strike zone” … A few, including Luck, can place it where they want in the strike zone, can lead their passers open etc. in games RGIII rarely did that. Luck has enough arm strength to make all he throws, but doesn’t zip the ball all the time … He adjusts the velocity to the situation and the receiver’s hands.

  56. panda49er88 says: Mar 24, 2012 8:29 PM

    This is hilarious to me, does Greg Cossel not realize these are the exact same points he used all season to criticize and marginalize Alex Smith? At what point does he finally realize he’s cricizing the offense and not the player? Smh.

  57. nomoreseasontix says: Mar 24, 2012 8:30 PM

    And like many “sure thing” quarterback prospects before them, either or both may be a bust.
    The NFL game will weed out the weak. Faster defenses and more complex schemes will end up making the cream rise.
    It’ll be fun to watch…

  58. andyreidisfat says: Mar 24, 2012 8:33 PM

    I am only going to say this once more for you morons that write this site and all the socalled “tape watchers” ( who if they were so great would be making ten times as much as gms )

    Luck will be the player with the better career. Not that I don’t like rg3 cuz I do. But he is going to a disfncional franchise with no oline and most likely will get killed this year. The colts know how to build a team.

    The success or lack of has a lot more to do with what the team is doing. If Montana played for my eagles in the 80s he would have no titles because the eagles were a joke.

  59. cowboyhater says: Mar 24, 2012 8:37 PM

    Bottom line, no prospect is a sure thing. Both could be great QB’s, or turn out to be average or busts. As a skins fan, I’m just estatic that we have opportunity to pick either one. This organization has not had a legitimate franchise QB since……. well I wasn’t born then, but since Sammy Baugh. Sonny Jurgensen was traded for, Joe Theismann was drafted but not what I would call a franchise QB, only had Doug Williams for a couple of years, and Mark Rypien was a 2 year wonder. The others that followed were journeymen that never stuck. Luck or Griffin will be the closest thing to a franchise QB in the history of the Redskins. Can’t wait for opening day. HTTR!!

  60. mattw70 says: Mar 24, 2012 8:39 PM

    People keep bring up JaMarcus Russell..having talent wasn’t his problem..eating(260+) and making poor choices on and off the field.

  61. whatswiththehate says: Mar 24, 2012 8:40 PM

    I figured it was only going to be a matter of time before RG III was going to be receiving the Jamarcus comparisons. You folks simply can’t help yourselves can you?

    BTW, it’s quite comical when someone gets upset when anyone who mentions the reality that racism still drives the NFL by claiming that anyone who drags race into the picture is a, fill-in-the blank. Then they turn around and compare every black QB to every black QB in the league..Nice way to not making it about race.

  62. ckirklin79 says: Mar 24, 2012 8:42 PM

    I’m not too sure about the Colts great team building abilities. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have the first pick in the draft. They hung their hat on an all-time great with no adequate insurance. If they were great at what you claim, there wouldn’t have been a need to clear out the front office.

  63. descendency says: Mar 24, 2012 8:43 PM

    I agree that RG3 is the better shorts and tshirt passer, but Luck is still the better QB prospect.

    Both are great prospects. I want both guys to succeed.

    It might shock some people, but Luck (in my opinion) is the better runner. Luck isn’t nearly as fast, but he has more wiggle as a runner than RG3 (who is a straight line track guy).

  64. profootballwalk says: Mar 24, 2012 8:44 PM

    Indy wants the white guy, and they want him bad.

  65. elrock7 says: Mar 24, 2012 8:53 PM

    jh500 thinks Newton is undisputed greatest rookie of all time, but he doesn’t have the smarts or composure that RG3 has and in the short term and long run, both RG3 and Luck will be better than Newton.

  66. croghan1919 says: Mar 24, 2012 8:54 PM

    latopian says:
    Mar 24, 2012 7:22 PM

    See latopians comment above @7:22 PM

    Best retort of an “experts” opinion I’ve ever read on PFT.

  67. realitypolice says: Mar 24, 2012 8:54 PM

    You could have taken the above analysis and substituted “Peyton Manning” for “Andrew Luck” and “Ryan Leaf” for “RGIII” because this is the exact same debate that was held back then.

    Manning was the cerebral defense reader with the less impressive arm and Leaf was the guy who could put a football through the eye of a needle 50 yards away in a windstorm.

    How did that work out? Not saying that RGIII is a head case like Leaf turned out to be, I’m just pointing out that the fact that RGIII has the strongest arm doesn’t make him the better prospect.

  68. cowboyhater says: Mar 24, 2012 8:54 PM

    andyreidisfat says:Mar 24, 2012 8:33 PM

    I am only going to say this once more for you morons that write this site and all the socalled “tape watchers” ( who if they were so great would be making ten times as much as gms )

    Luck will be the player with the better career. Not that I don’t like rg3 cuz I do. But he is going to a disfncional franchise with no oline and most likely will get killed this year. The colts know how to build a team.

    The success or lack of has a lot more to do with what the team is doing. If Montana played for my eagles in the 80s he would have no titles because the eagles were a joke.

    —————————————————————————————–

    Keep hating eagle fan. Unfortunately Shanahan has to clean up over 20 years of mismanagement, and so far I like what I see. We have young talent in this organization that only the skins fan can see. You can’t because well….. your’re an eagles fan. A horrible QB is what makes a o line look bad. If a defense doesn’t fear a QB, then it makes it that much tougher on a o line. When you have a QB that can make quick decisions, and get rid of the ball quickly, well the o line doesn’t seem as bad. You may want to look at your own team. Your o line has been average at best, and did a reversal last year trying to buy a championship just like that dysfunctional team you’re speaking of. It will be fun to watch Mike Vick get old quick, and see the skins develop a young squad with a future franchise QB, because we do have a very functional front office, and they will not make the same mistakes from the past. Keep hating, and being that typical eagle fan. Have fun looking up at the cowboys and giants, while the skins fans have enough commen sense to know that our rebuilding will take time before we can start really competing for that division title again, but it’s not that far away.

  69. raqaiw says: Mar 24, 2012 8:56 PM

    For all you “arm strength doesn’t matter” folks,remember that qb in NY and MIA who was super accurate and could read defenses but couldn’t throw a 20 yard out route so defenses sat on everything short? His name was Chad Pennington. If Luck is Pennington and Griffin is Vick,sign me up for Griffin.

  70. ryanclark25 says: Mar 24, 2012 8:59 PM

    babyhorsemorgan says:

    None of this is news. We didn’t require stone tablets from The Nephew to make it official.

    Since the college recruiting Combines. But what The Nephew neglect to mention is that Gabbert is the cream of that class. Luck is most accurate, Griffin better arm, Gabbert THE FULL PACKAGE.

    That is how it will play out. Gabbert was the first puppy out of the box and looked a little awkward and clumsy, but he will be the Alpha Dog.

    ===================================

    What?

  71. indybob160 says: Mar 24, 2012 8:59 PM

    Or maybe Cosell and Hoge are idiots…. they get paid to flap their jaws and create hype… BFD

  72. KIR says: Mar 24, 2012 9:02 PM

    @naptownwarrior Go back and read Merrill Hodges analysis of Vince Young. You need a long nap remember all of these greatest things ever? Alex Smith, J.P losman, Rex Grossman, Cade McNown, Ryan Leaf, Brady Quinn, David Klingler, Heath Shuler

  73. hitit49 says: Mar 24, 2012 9:09 PM

    Where did Cosell play, coach or scout for?

  74. jw5111 says: Mar 24, 2012 9:11 PM

    I’m not going to try and tell the future of either prospect, but I tend to agree with andyreidisfat. The Colts seem to have the organization that runs like an NFL team should be run. The Redskins have struggled ever since Snyder became the owner.
    I feel for whoever lands with the Redskins, whether it is Luck or RGIII its going to be a difficult situation.

  75. allsportsnyfan says: Mar 24, 2012 9:13 PM

    Incredible article. The truth is coming out day by day.

    Is true what our friend said:

    Andrew Luck = overrated

  76. jglow86 says: Mar 24, 2012 9:16 PM

    Am I supposed to believe that because some dude watched a lot of film that Luck is somehow a lesser QB now? Give me a break….the guy has been the top QB prospect in the world since he was a Soph!

  77. vtsquirm says: Mar 24, 2012 9:16 PM

    as a Skins fan, i’m really hoping we land RG3, but this talk about Luck not having a strong arm like Newton and Stafford is total BS. He threw the ball 70 yards into the wind at his proday workout. that’s plenty strong enough.

  78. eugenesaxe says: Mar 24, 2012 9:20 PM

    Let’s not forget Luck’s been a QB-in-training ever since he was born. Knowledge/understanding of the game is as important as actual skill, and Luck probably has the advantage there.

  79. philtration says: Mar 24, 2012 9:31 PM

    fumblenuts says: Mar 24, 2012 7:22 PM

    “Cosell did credit Luck for his masterful ability to call plays and make adjustments at the line of scrimmage, calling it an “essential attribute as [Luck] transitions to the NFL.”

    That’s why the Colts will go with Luck. They want a QB like Manning.
    ==================================

    They had a QB like Manning.
    As a matter of fact he was just like Manning but they did not want to pay him the money that they offered him in the first place.

  80. corsair28 says: Mar 24, 2012 9:32 PM

    I have been watching football for many years. If we learned anything last year, it is that these writers have no cue what they are talking about. About all of them had negative things to say about Cam Newton and look at what he did last year. Lets face it, nobody truly knows how any quarterback will translate to the NFL. We can guess and be pleasantly surprised if we are right, and it is the same for writers and analyst, the same writers and analyst that said quarterbacks like Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, Browning Nagle, Dan McGwire, Akili Smith, Andre Ware, Jamarcus Russell, oh and Rick Mirer would be great quarterbacks. I know there are a ton more, but over the years all of those guys stood out because they got lots of hype dumped on them by analyst and writers that were so smart they were stupid. Andrew Luck and RGIII are both impressive, but lets see how they turn out. One is going to Mike Shanahan who I do not think is a quarterback friendly coach and I have yet to see what Chuck Pagano’s system will be like or what he does. Either way, you have 2 great college quarterbacks going to rebuilding teams and we will not know how things turn out until we see how many players they bring in to help them.

  81. philtration says: Mar 24, 2012 9:34 PM

    Why are some of you so quick to lump Griffin in with failed QB picks from the pass before he even gets drafted but you have already decided that Luck is going to be great?

    Is is for the same reason that you keep bringing up guys like Kordell Stewart, Michael Vick, JaMarcus Russell and Vince Young?

  82. bison4me says: Mar 24, 2012 9:50 PM

    As a Redskins fan I wish these pundits would keep their mouths closed. Folks in the DC/Baltimore area know how unstable the Irsay family can be.

    Dear Indy,

    Luck supposedly is the heir apparent to Manning. For the past two years he’s been the end all be all of QBs. No other prospect has been this talented, has been hand picked by Harbaugh, can run the pro-style offense better than current NFL QBs, and he’s the son of a QB. He’s YOUR guy, look no further. Pull the trigger for HIM. He’s ready on day one, according to all the football oracles.

    Thank You,
    Redskins Fans

  83. couchfandotcom says: Mar 24, 2012 9:51 PM

    No way (I mean No Way) Irsay can’t take Luck.

    If RG3 bombs in Indy, he (Irsay) will never be forgiven. If Luck bombs in Indy then it’s because Manning left for more money…yes, it’s that simple.

    Create and broadcast your own sports network at CouchFan DOT COM

  84. lakermetskins says: Mar 24, 2012 9:53 PM

    For folks saying the redskins are a “dysfunctional franchise”, I say this:
    Weren’t the Lions dysfunctional (0-16)? What changed- new coach, new qb, different attitude.
    Weren’t the Saints perennially dysfunctional? New coach, new qb, change in attitude.
    The 49ers, the Texans, the Browns, Oh sorry my bad, not the Browns!! These teams were considered losers.
    Good teams pick good players, have good staffs and most of the times, have great qbs.

    The Shanahans haven’t forgotten how to win. Their system is very qb-centric and he needs top -notch guy to run his system. He’s drafted well the first 2 seasons and got rid of the rift-raft also. We also were led by Sexy Rexy.

    Now its time go for it. In RG3 we trust….
    Hail

  85. shadowgm1 says: Mar 24, 2012 10:06 PM

    Isn’t that like someone saying that Randall Cunningham was more talented than Dan Marino? Greg Cosell is weak at analysis if he thinks that for a second. Level of competition, gents. The worst team in the league will sport a much faster version of a standard PAC 12 defense built around stopping the pass than a front loaded Big 12 defense set up to stop the run. Luck has performed well against some complex pass defenses, while an all-star wideout set helped Griffin blow past safeties that should be linebackers and corners that should be safeties. Analysts need to understand the competition they faced and how they are programmed to play rather than how stylish they looked putting up obscene points against personnel outmatched defenses. Griffin’s delivery is slow and he requires more windup to get it upfield than Luck, who gets it out rapidly. Luck is more polished and will be a far better QB than Griffin’s short and quick career.

  86. q1ller says: Mar 24, 2012 10:08 PM

    I am sure that all Redskins fans are in love with RG3 at this point and would agree with this article. Therefore, can you imagine their reaction if the Colts did take RG3 instead of Luck (not that getting Luck would be all that unlucky)?

  87. jw5111 says: Mar 24, 2012 10:08 PM

    Shanahan hasnt forgotten how to win-What has Shanahan won since Elway retired? What quarterback has he developed in his coaching career?

  88. polishkingski says: Mar 24, 2012 10:08 PM

    @NAPTOWNWARRIOR….have you listened to this young man express himself? if his head is in the same mode as his football ability he is going to be good for along, long time. as far as racism being brought into the conversation, get a clue. rg3 is a diehard republican. is that not what pundits hate about black qb`s?

  89. phaktor333 says: Mar 24, 2012 10:19 PM

    I don’t really buy into what the ‘experts’ or fans say about QBs who are highly rated coming out of college. There are too many variables at play that none of us really can measure or foresee. Both guys probably have good arms, can throw accurately and have the respect of their college teammates, opposition and coaching staff. However, what will separate the two is when one or both of them gets smacked around for four quarters, beaten up, hurt, injured, throw 4 picks in a game, booed un-mercilessly AT HOME and are forced to earn the respect of older, more experienced peers….which guy will be able to withstand that and still move forward and keep their teams relatively competitive week to week? The guy that does transcends all the measurables. It could be both, it could be one…or neither. #Draft Crapshoot

  90. cmarsh64 says: Mar 24, 2012 10:21 PM

    It’s simple guys,the Colts and Redskins are picking this high because they aren’t very good,second they both have more holes than just QB and the OL for both teams needs alot of help.Untill both QB’s get a decent OL they will not reach there potential. Lets not forget QB’s that where taken high that where supposed to be good…i.e. Ryan Leaf 2nd (98 draft Chargers),Tim Couch 1st (99 draft) Browns,Dan McGuire 16th pick Seattle (91 draft),Cade McNown 12th pick (99 draft) Bears,David Klingler 6th (92 draft) Bengals,Akili Smith 3rd (99 draft) Bengals,Heath Shuler 3rd (94 draft) Redskins,Andre Ware 7th (90 draft) Lions, all of these picks including some listed by philtration”I don’t think Vick would be considered a bust since he has won games and is still in the league and jury is still out on Vince Young. This is my list do you remember these QB’s?

  91. nineroutsider says: Mar 24, 2012 10:24 PM

    The Shanahans will ruin him…

  92. bison4me says: Mar 24, 2012 10:26 PM

    shadowgm1 says: Mar 24, 2012 10:06 PM

    Isn’t that like someone saying that Randall Cunningham was more talented than Dan Marino? Greg Cosell is weak at analysis if he thinks that for a second. Level of competition, gents. The worst team in the league will sport a much faster version of a standard PAC 12 defense built around stopping the pass than a front loaded Big 12 defense set up to stop the run. Luck has performed well against some complex pass defenses, while an all-star wideout set helped Griffin blow past safeties that should be linebackers and corners that should be safeties. Analysts need to understand the competition they faced and how they are programmed to play rather than how stylish they looked putting up obscene points against personnel outmatched defenses. Griffin’s delivery is slow and he requires more windup to get it upfield than Luck, who gets it out rapidly. Luck is more polished and will be a far better QB than Griffin’s short and quick career.
    =====================================
    What? Griffin has a stronger arm than Luck, and its not even an issue that folks debate. Luck doesn’t even debat it. Griffin is a pure passer, his release is text book, nobody is going to, nor will they want to alter Griffin’s release. Its a classic ball to ear, pull back and release.

    Tim Tebow has a wind-up, Leftwhich has a wind-up, Griffin and Luck both have beautiful textbook releases and follow throughs. The only knock I see in Griffin and it’s really nit-picky, is that his elbow may dip, but its his natural throwing motion, so you don’t want to alter it.

  93. mwcarolina says: Mar 24, 2012 10:30 PM

    Luck won’t have half the rookie season Cam Newton had (who is the undisputed greatest rookie of all time). Colts have to take RG3
    ———————————————————-
    as much as i think RG3 and Luck will both be great, NO ONE will have a season like Cam, not even RG3, i cant see Luck or Griffin running for 14 tds, i am a huge Redskins fan and of course like the panthers too, but as a Redskins fan, i dont care if the Colts take Luck or RG3, i will be happy with either one

  94. andyreiddoublecheeseburger says: Mar 24, 2012 10:33 PM

    RG3 is also handsome, whereas Luck is one ugly dude

  95. ballboy48 says: Mar 24, 2012 10:33 PM

    Good thing Cleveland didn’t give up three first round picks! It would be awesome if the Colts drafted Griffin, instead of Luck.

    I watched Luck play out here in California, and he’s a good QB, but not as good as Griffin. With Griffin, you get a complete player that can scramble when he feels pressure, has a cannon of an arm, and is very accurate. He makes plays happen.

    Cosell is right about Luck, in regards to an intermediate, short route passer. He does well with that, and would be good in a WCO, but not convinced that he can hit the deep ball well. Remember everyone is open in College Football, and in the NFL you have a small window to get the ball in. Griffin puts the ball perfectly in place, as was seen in his pro day!

    If I am the Colts, I pull the trigger on Griffin.

  96. kylemc1986 says: Mar 24, 2012 10:49 PM

    franbotel says:
    Mar 24, 2012 7:44 PM
    All i know is that Andrew luck played with better talent in college than RG3.
    —————————————————-
    Luck played against better talent, and had no true #1 WR while running a pro style offense. Luck has proved himself as the #1 pick in the draft for two years in a row. So much hype after a pro day, what a joke.

  97. kinggw says: Mar 24, 2012 10:51 PM

    @shadowgm1,

    What in the blue hell are you talking about? From your analysis its clear that you are a Luck fanboy and are not being objective at all. You say Luck performed well against some complex pass defenses. Would that be San Jose State or Duke you are referring to? Luck has not played against very good competition. The toughest teams he has faced the past two seasons have been Oregon twice and Virginia Tech. Against Oregon he looked very average. He played pretty well against Virginia Tech, but he also had over a month to prepare for them.

    You also mentioned that Griffin had an all star wideout set. Really? Matt Barkley has an all star wideout set. RGIII just made guys like Kendall Wright look like stars.

    I understand why so many people like Luck. He looks like the next Manning. Like Manning, his father was a mediocre NFL qb. Like Manning he was highly touted coming in to college. To me the similarities end there. Both Mannings honed their craft in the hyper competitive SEC, while Luck did his work in an unimpressive PAC 10/12. Level of competition matters. Its the same reason why Notre Dame hasnt produced a quality NFL qb in years. People are convinced that Luck is going to be the greatest because thats what all the so called experts have been telling us for the past two years. When I see Luck I see a guy who will probably be a decent qb, but I dont see the once in a generation guy that people are proclaiming him to be.

  98. prettyboyjd says: Mar 24, 2012 11:03 PM

    Matt Leinart, Rex Grossman, Patrick Ramsey, Chad Pennington, Brady Quinn, Tony Eason, Richard Todd, Kyle Boller, Jeff George, J.P. Losman, Tommy Maddox, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Kelly Stouffer, Jim Druckenmiller, Mike Phipps, Jerry Tagge, Tim Couch, Cade McNown, Dan McGwire, David Klingler, Todd Blackledge, Rick Mirer, Heath Shuler, Todd Marinovich, Art Schlichter, and Ryan Leaf > JaMarcus Russell, Andre Ware, Akili Smith and Vince Young…but whatever.

  99. rainponcho87 says: Mar 24, 2012 11:11 PM

    I have no idea who will be a better pro, RG3 or Luck. But I do know that NFL “experts” are constantly going on and on about physical attributes like arm strength. Arm strength is way overrated. Reading defenses and throwing accurately are the most important.

    NFL “experts” have a laughable track record. Look no farther than the most successful QB over the last decade: Tom Brady, 6th round draft pick. Many of the best QBs ever to play in the NFL were not highly thought of coming out of the draft. Over and over scouts have fallen in love with “arm strength” guys, completely missing ultra-talented players like Montana and Brady.

  100. indywilson40 says: Mar 24, 2012 11:16 PM

    “How did that work out” should be retired from all message boards.

  101. andreaallennyc says: Mar 24, 2012 11:24 PM

    No, actually, it is RGIII who is over hyped. I do think he’s great, but Andrew Luck has faced a huge amount of scrutiny, RGIII has not … He’s riding really high because of flash and excitement. The only people who have written bad reviews of Luck are the who like balls thrown with a lot of zip and effort all the time. Those who have any knowledge of QBs know the value of varying your velocity and realize Luck has the strength to make ALL the throws. We’re not talking about a guy here with a weak arm … Putting a premium on the hardest thrower is a bit silly …. And very unsophisticated. Those who really followed the two know that Luck has better accuracy, though both are accurate, it s Luck who places his passes just where he wants them, leading the receiver, etc. while RGIII often gets his passes in the strike zone, they are not precisely placed.
    RGIII is great and very flashy, but Luck is great, has much more refined skills now, has shown he can survive pressure, and is also an elite athlete with a strong arm.

  102. bigbalz says: Mar 24, 2012 11:26 PM

    These idiot so called “experts” keep coming out of the woodwork to say RGIII is better than Luck. Absolutely ridiculous, Griffin is a flash in the pan, ove rated, and over hyped. Anybody that is not trying to get hits on a website or trying to make a name for theirselves in the media would agree that Luck is clearly better in every way. The same crap happened for Ryan Leaf when he was competing with Manning in the ’98 draft. Wait and see Griffin fall flat on his face in the NFL.

  103. toolnutz says: Mar 24, 2012 11:30 PM

    belgaron says: Mar 24, 2012 7:59 PM

    Russell was an awesome QB until he got fat, indifferent, and poorly coached and developed by a C level organization.

    ============================

    I admit the Raiders were a dysfunctional team the past decade with Al, but most of the fault lies with Russell.

    If all he needed was better football organization, the 31 other teams would have picked him up for minimum salary contract as a 2nd or 3rd string QB. Why haven’t they? It’s clear the other teams think Russell is not an NFL-caliber QB.

    Stories have come out that Russell held out in his rookie year because he knew he wasn’t going to pass a drug test after he signs his contract. He may have the talent, but he was in it just for the money no matter who the team may be.

  104. i10east says: Mar 24, 2012 11:31 PM

    Didn’t Howard Cosell die??……oh wait…

  105. andreaallennyc says: Mar 24, 2012 11:32 PM

    Actually, a lot of knowledgeable people have criticized RGIIIs mechanics and as much as they think he’s got a strong arm and is a great passer, they also think he needs to improve his arm motion, his footwork, and his release to be able to succeed in the NFL. But few people have criticism of those for Luck …

  106. indywilson40 says: Mar 24, 2012 11:36 PM

    Cmarsh64, do you remember Peyton and Eli manning, Troy Aikman, John Elway, Aaron Rodgers, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Dan Marino, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett? Have you heard about future stars Cam Newton, Matthew Stafford and Matt Ryan? What is your point? Just because there has been some bust at QB in the 1st round, are you saying Luck and Griffin shouldn’t be drafted the in the 1st round? Moron.

  107. borderline1988 says: Mar 24, 2012 11:46 PM

    I’d love to see RG succeed – he genuinely seems like a great guy.

    But let’s be real here – the QBs who get to the SB and the QBs who win the SB are characterized by ability to read defenses, direct offenses, play strong in the pocket, decision-making, etc. In other words, physical attributes are important but they take a secondary role to mental attributes.

    As a side point, all great SB winning Qbs have the ability to release the ball extremely quickly. Which reinforces the idea that quick, accurate decision making under pressure from the best athletes in the world is most important.

    All in, Luck is the better prospect. RG is certainly more intriguing. But looking at Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning X 2 (even Roethlesberger to a degree). These guys are fantastic game managers. They are remarkably level headed under pressure. That’s the guy you want if the SB is your ultimate goal.

  108. skin94249 says: Mar 24, 2012 11:47 PM

    Ok guys let’s put this to rest. We need not talk about race or comparisons to any former or current players. What we need to do is compare these gentlemen to themselves. While the Colts and Redskins are happy with their respective draft positions neither one would have made the nessasary moves to be one and two in this draft if the both were’nt worth it. Just think for a moment, if the Skins lost 2 first and a second to be in the second spot, what do you think Indy could have gotten for the 1st pick if they had second thoughts about Luck and kept Manning? While Andrew fits the Colts needs to a tee, the Redskins need a bit more the just a QB that can read D’s. Hell Rex can read defences he just lacks enough talent to complete what he sees and to extend the play with his feet. As a football fan sit back and look at the GAME, don’t just watch it and think you know. I watched both players “Pro-Days” and everything Cosell said is true. However the one thing not mentioned was that RG3 is a quick learner and could be taught to read D if that is his short coming, while Luck is not going to get any faster or develop a stronger arm because that can not be taught. Both young men have great potential, and have the wherewithall to maximize their respective talents. END OF STORY !!!

  109. sdchicken says: Mar 24, 2012 11:49 PM

    Luck has impressed me since he was a freshman and went to USC and beat them in their own building, played great, and did it against real NFL talent (clay Matthews, Brian Cushing, sedrick Ellis, etc..)

    I love RGIII as a player and as a person and hope he succeeds, but don’t know how to judge him against Texas tech, Sam Houston state, and some of the other programs that don’t quite have NFL talent.

    Both qb’s should be solid, but I would take Luck first.

  110. mystereo says: Mar 24, 2012 11:52 PM

    RGIII is Akili Smith 2.0

  111. jason1214 says: Mar 24, 2012 11:55 PM

    Who cares? Lets revisit the debate in 5 yrs. If I had a $50 bill for every qb who looked great on film and stunk in the NFL I wouldn’t need to work lol

  112. Little Earthquake says: Mar 24, 2012 11:56 PM

    lakermetskins says: Mar 24, 2012 9:53 PM

    The Shanahans haven’t forgotten how to win.

    ____

    Could have fooled me. So if they haven’t forgotten then they must have quit trying.

  113. raidermark says: Mar 25, 2012 12:03 AM

    It boils down to brains. There’s a ton of guys that can throw hard and run. But can they think like Peyton?? React like Peyton? Not many.. I hate to say it but the odds are 10-1 that Rg3 will be a good NFL
    QB. Too many Akili Smiths, Andre Wares, Vince Youngs, Jamarcus Russels, Tarvarius Jacksons etc.

  114. latopia says: Mar 25, 2012 12:04 AM

    Cosell 2 x weeks before the 2011 draft:

    Studied more Mallet. Best NFL skill set in draft. Physical pocket presence. Delivered in muddied pocket. Willing to make stick throws.

    Like Cosell on JaMarcus, it’s not a race thing, it’s a judgement thing, as in Cosell’s lack thereof.

  115. andreaallennyc says: Mar 25, 2012 12:06 AM

    You don’t know what you are talking about. you mention probably the two weakest teams Stanford played and think that means something. It means you are not making a serious argument, and either don’t know what you are taking about at all, or are just picking the facts to support hur points. But the overall evidence doesn’t support your argument … If it did, Andrew Luck wouldn’t be where he is … And Stanford wouldn’t have gotten to two BCS bowls in the last two years.

  116. dolphins1121 says: Mar 25, 2012 12:14 AM

    jh500 says:
    Mar 24, 2012 7:18 PM
    Luck won’t have half the rookie season Cam Newton had (who is the undisputed greatest rookie of all time). Colts have to take RG3.

     ———————————————————————————-

    Um, how old are you, 9? In Dan Marino’s first full season, he threw 5,084 yards, 48 TDs, and took the Dolphins to the Super Bowl. Was Newton’s rookie year ONE of the best ever? Yes. Was it THE UNDISPUTED best ever? No.

  117. mdc21787 says: Mar 25, 2012 12:17 AM

    i like that pic of him walking with shanny. httr.

  118. mdc21787 says: Mar 25, 2012 12:19 AM

    oh and i thought luck had a weak arm everytime i saw him play

  119. latopian says: Mar 25, 2012 12:19 AM

    Cosell 2 x weeks before the 2011 draft:

    Studied more Mallet. Best NFL skill set in draft. Physical pocket presence. Delivered in muddied pocket. Willing to make stick throws.

    Like Cosell on JaMarcus, it’s not a race thing, it’s a judgement thing, as in Cosell’s lack thereof. Of the 5 rookie QBs who attempted 100+ passes last year, Gabbert was dead last in QBR and would’ve finished last in Approximate Value had T.J. Yates gotten more snaps.

  120. riverhorsey says: Mar 25, 2012 12:25 AM

    “Luck was an economical player who was at his best as a timing and rhythm, short to intermediate passer.”

    Sounds like Brady or Manning

  121. shadowgm1 says: Mar 25, 2012 12:53 AM

    bison4me says:Mar 24, 2012 10:26 PM

    shadowgm1 says: Mar 24, 2012 10:06 PM

    Isn’t that like someone saying that Randall Cunningham was more talented than Dan Marino? Greg Cosell is weak at analysis if he thinks that for a second. Level of competition, gents. The worst team in the league will sport a much faster version of a standard PAC 12 defense built around stopping the pass than a front loaded Big 12 defense set up to stop the run. Luck has performed well against some complex pass defenses, while an all-star wideout set helped Griffin blow past safeties that should be linebackers and corners that should be safeties. Analysts need to understand the competition they faced and how they are programmed to play rather than how stylish they looked putting up obscene points against personnel outmatched defenses. Griffin’s delivery is slow and he requires more windup to get it upfield than Luck, who gets it out rapidly. Luck is more polished and will be a far better QB than Griffin’s short and quick career.
    =====================================
    What? Griffin has a stronger arm than Luck, and its not even an issue that folks debate. Luck doesn’t even debat it. Griffin is a pure passer, his release is text book, nobody is going to, nor will they want to alter Griffin’s release. Its a classic ball to ear, pull back and release.

    Tim Tebow has a wind-up, Leftwhich has a wind-up, Griffin and Luck both have beautiful textbook releases and follow throughs. The only knock I see in Griffin and it’s really nit-picky, is that his elbow may dip, but its his natural throwing motion, so you don’t want to alter it.
    ——————————————————————————————–

    Look at the Oklahoma 2011 game. His release is textbook when he is throwing unpressured in a pitch and catch situation, he’s all over the map when pressured and multiple times he had difficulty reading both intermediate and deep routes. The Redskins line will be about as challenged as Baylor’s when it comes to stopping a rush, and most NFL linebackers have college corner speed. Are you saying that his throwing motion – not operating another hybrid spread option type offense in a conference predicated on smashmouth run the ball football and garnering gaudy stats cheaply – is what got the scouts panting over him? There are a bounty of late-round prospects who have textbook throwing motions as well. My statement above was to illustrate that the gaudy stats are so blinding that his deficiencies are hidden quite well. He does struggle to recognize short area coverages and he loses the safety when he’s not blitzing and stays in coverage. What concerns me is his refusal to throw at the combine (yes, Luck did as well and it was equally as upsetting) only to throw with WR’s he’s “more familiar with”. Now the media engine has gotten him exactly what he wanted with that stunt, throwing well with people he’s practiced with for years and in a setting he’s familiar with (again, so did Luck) and doing so well. The only thing to rely on, since any pro day performance without a prior combine performance shouldn’t be counted on, is the past tape which this article speaks of. Is Cosell viewing any of the 2010 tapes where Baylor dropped four straight games at the end of the season? I’m fine with more Akili Smith/JaMarcus Russell high selection mistakes made with this kid, my organization’s not making one. Once all is said and done, Luck will be an all-pro caliber player in Indianapolis, while Griffin will be mildly above average in a sputtering six year career littered with ACL injuries.

  122. lakermetskins says: Mar 25, 2012 1:01 AM

    I’m a redskins fan living in Cleveland and as far as I’m concerned, these are two of the worst ran franchises in the NFL. But, as a skins fan, I’m excited about our future for these reasons:

    Danny Boy. Say what you want, this owner really wants to win and would have sold his youngest daughter to the rams to get the 2nd pick. In the name of winning!

    The Shanahans. Outside of Cutler,who progressed well under him, Shanny hasn’t had an adequate qb to run his system (Brian Greise, Jake Plummer were lower tier qbs).Yes he only won with Elway-but he obviously sees something in RG3 that reminds him of Elway.

    We finally have young talent, not enough yet but nearly every pick the last 2 years have made a positive impact for the team.

    Finally, again, say what you want, but Washington DC is a desirable destination for players whether drafted or via free agency.

    I feel bad for Browns fans because they deserve better. NFL players and fans question if they are really trying to win! As a skins fan, I wonder if we have the patience to win.

  123. autumnwind999 says: Mar 25, 2012 1:01 AM

    Luck, hands down the superior player. I guess these analysts stand a better chance of getting pub like this by giving these half-azzed implied endorsements of RGIII (while saying Luck is more NFL ready.

    So basically, they’re saying Luck should be better for the next 2-3 years, but RGIII has more upside for down the road. Beauty of this play is that you’re safe for the next 2-3 years no matter which guy plays better. After that, who will even remember what these guys picked.

  124. eaglelover1 says: Mar 25, 2012 1:11 AM

    I see the race issue will never die in this country…..It doesn’t matter who is picked first or second what matters is the stats from week 17 for the QB’s of the Redskins and Colts….I would like to say that comparing RGIII to University of Houston QB’s is unjustifiable……Luck did not play superior talent in the Pac 10…..You are comparing Luck to Manning who played in the SEC……..Manning never won a National Championship yet Tee Martin took the same team and won the National Championship the very next year…..But, Martin never panned out in the NFL…….Instead of letting the color of these talented young men cloud your judgement let their play in the 2012 season be the basis of the final judgement on who made the better QB…

  125. dobberdubinsky says: Mar 25, 2012 1:12 AM

    This is a story by the media trying to stir the pot, and that’s all. I can’t be certain who’s better between Grif and Luck…….but one thing’s guaranteed, and that’s that the Colts will take Luck with the 2012 first overall pick for two reasons:

    1) They just said good-bye to one of the best of all time who was a QB before an athlete and great in the pocket, just like Luck is supposed to be. 2) Luck is his name, and the Colts have a horseshoe on their helmet.

    There’s no way Irsay will brush that off as a coincidence. After all the successful seasons have had and then coincidently they a horrible season, get the #1 pick where a guy name Luck is the preffered pick wearing a horseshoe on his helmet. I will bet anyone any kind of money I can afford Luck is going #1 next month.

  126. sf69ers says: Mar 25, 2012 1:15 AM

    RG3 has a lot to learn in the pro game, luck not so much. Deep ball rarely happens in the NFl, you can throw underneath and hit the big play when it is there, well you will have a long career. Force throws in the NFL, collect unemployment.

  127. serpentsage says: Mar 25, 2012 1:16 AM

    You know what I dislike is how ppl try to compare Luck or RG3 to Ryan Leaf without understanding why leaf was bad. Leaf was a head case when he got to the NFL.

    Every team he was on noted that he had the arm, but was always railing against coaches, players, and the fans. He couldn’t adjust to the pressures of the professional level. That’s the only thing that can’t be measured for any player entering the NFL. The same can be said for Ricky Williams and to some extent Vince Young.

    Overall, Luck will go to the Colts, because they want a player who is further along the curve than RG3. However, once RG3 gets there (which will likely not take more than half way through the season) he will be a force to be reckoned with in the league.

  128. broncoddk7688 says: Mar 25, 2012 1:37 AM

    LUCK AN RGIII will both be BEASTS #enoughfellas

  129. discosucs2005 says: Mar 25, 2012 1:43 AM

    I like both players but I hope they both turn out to be awful because I’m so sick of hearing about them.

    If they have solid players and coaching around them they’ll succeed, if they don’t they won’t. Doesn’t take a genius.

  130. rabbdogg says: Mar 25, 2012 1:45 AM

    all u people talking down on RG3 must have never seen him play or are just htrs..his game most compairs to aaron rodgers with way more speed..watch his film..luck is a dink and dunk passer where as griffin can dink and dunk and hit u over the top before u know what hit u..just like rodgers..only difference is..griffin has 4.3 speed to go with that rodgers like game.

  131. whiteqbs says: Mar 25, 2012 2:00 AM

    Black QBs can’t win the big game, they struggle in the playoffs because they aren’t smart enough to read good defenses.Black QBs dont work, just ask Cunningham,McNabb,Vick,Young,Moon etc. Doug “fluke” Williams is the only one and that was how long ago?Why don’t journalists say this when everyone knows it’s true? RG3 will be an average QB like the rest of them and nothing more. Luck is the smart,safe and right pick. The Colts would be foolish to think otherwise.

  132. truthassassin says: Mar 25, 2012 2:04 AM

    Couple Points:

    1. @ litemater95 – couldn’t agree more, I see Luck as the second coming of Joe Montana, not Mr. Manning… Good ball placement, good intelligence, and the ball doesn’t come out like a laser but always lands in the right place.

    2. RG3 will be in stud in that Skins offense, assuming he goes to the Skins (which he should)… Shanahan will run the ball, and then have RG3 bootleg out… defenses will never know if he’s going to bomb it 30 yards or sprint for 30 yards.

    3. Luck will be good and will definitely go to the Colts – they just need a year or two to build some talent around him and then they’ll be a solid team for years.

  133. midnite2020 says: Mar 25, 2012 2:06 AM

    remember when cam Newton was talked about as a bust remember when moon came out and said that he was gonna be a great quarterback faster then anyone and y’all laugh mark my words all racist bustards including naptimehero griffin is better then luck just like Newton was better then anyone else in his draft

  134. skin94249 says: Mar 25, 2012 2:46 AM

    Good, since I am a Skins fan from all the way back in 1963, I hope and pray that Irsay feels the same way you do.

  135. geofarsteeler4ever says: Mar 25, 2012 2:53 AM

    i’m no expert,just a 40 year nfl fan and i think luck is another joey harrington,matt leinart, and rg3 will be better than cam newton or michael vick.

  136. geofarsteeler4ever says: Mar 25, 2012 2:56 AM

    by 2015 luck will be a 2nd string wannabe on some team who gave up a 6th round pick in a trade to hold a clipboard.

  137. skin94249 says: Mar 25, 2012 3:10 AM

    One last point about the “athletic” QB’s…….. how many OC’s have the talent, ability or guts to risk their careers to design an offense that suit these young men. I dare say not many. Rather then condeming these young men to failure because they can run, find a way to use that skill ie Broncos/Jets with Tebow, Carolina with Newton and just watch the rest of the league scramble to devise a plan to stop them.

  138. yojoemama says: Mar 25, 2012 3:41 AM

    I would LMAO if we had another Manning/Leaf scenario but in reverse with Luck being the bust and RG3 being the next HOF.

  139. discosucs2005 says: Mar 25, 2012 4:18 AM

    “while Luck is not going to get any faster or develop a stronger arm”

    I’m so sick of hearing about this crap. Since when did Luck not have these things? RG3 might have a stronger arm and be faster, but that doesn’t mean Luck has a weak arm and is slow. Luck is actually remarkably fast as I recall, and I have never seen his arm strength (or implied lack there of) hinder him from making any of the deep throws in his pro style offense. The only thing that will hold Luck back is the team he plays for. Same goes for RG3.

    Basically what I’m saying is, if you have an opinion of certainty as to who is going to be better, you’re an idiot. You can’t know and no one cares about your opinion.

  140. stampnhawk says: Mar 25, 2012 4:18 AM

    “Whiffin’ for Griffin”? At least the Redskins can put a catchy slogan for last year’s debacle..now to coin phrases for the previous, and future, few years.

  141. jayquintana says: Mar 25, 2012 4:59 AM

    But the best QB not in the NFL right now is Matt Barkley.

  142. mail man says: Mar 25, 2012 6:26 AM

    Should you care about this man’s opinion?

    This is what he had to say about JaMarcus Russell when the Raiders had to decide between him and MEGATRON in the draft…


    “Oh, man, can Russell flick it,” says NFL Network analyst Greg Cosell, who has broken down film of Russell and Quinn. “Like Elway, he has the ability to see and make downfield throws 50 yards when he’s on the move.

    “If you think JaMarcus Russell is one of those special quarterbacks (…) you have to take him. I don’t know how the Raiders have him evaluated. But I can tell you watching him on film, he wowed me.”

    Cosell also thinks Russell has all the tools to be great. “This kid is a special passer, and he’s got a complete inventory of throws,” he says. “He’s got that football intuition. He throws from different platforms, doesn’t always have to be perfectly set and can move within the boxing-ring space of the pocket to find the quiet area.”

    Case closed. I’m drafting Luck in my Fantasy league.

  143. penz84 says: Mar 25, 2012 7:27 AM

    Why is Griffin always being compared to black QB’s who could scramble but weren’t great pocket passers??? He’s a pocket passer who can run fast,as is Luck,who ran a 4.5 in the combine,yet I never see him compared to Newton,Vick,Young etc etc,strange.

  144. LoCoSu@%s says: Mar 25, 2012 7:32 AM

    latopian says:
    Mar 24, 2012 7:22 PM
    says…
    “He” = JaMarcus Russell.

    ——————————–

    Winning post. Opinions are like @@@@@@@@.
    Everyone has one.

  145. donjuan1906 says: Mar 25, 2012 7:37 AM

    latopian says:Mar 24, 2012 7:22 PM

    Greg Cosell, 2007:

    “Oh, man, can [he] flick it. Like Elway, he has the ability to see and make downfield throws 50 yards when he’s on the move. If you think [he] is one of those special quarterbacks — and in the NFL right now, there’s Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Carson Palmer— you have to take him. I don’t know how the Raiders have him evaluated. But I can tell you watching him on film, he wowed me. This kid is a special passer, and he’s got a complete inventory of throws. He’s got that football intuition. He throws from different platforms, doesn’t always have to be perfectly and can move within the boxing-ring space of the pocket to find the quiet area.”

    “He” = JaMarcus Russell.

    ———————————————————-

    OH here we go with the JaMarcus Russell comparisons AGAIN! After reading Cossell’s analysts – he basically does what any and every and every anaylsts draft pundit does.

    When it came to JaMarcus Russell’s ability, he was rated through the rough – however his work ethic, work habits were always in question.

    To put RG3 in that same category, is just as blind as stupid as a majority of you were doing last year with Cam Newton. Cam and RG3 are hearing the comparisons and laughing and thanking ignorant buffons who are comparing them to JaMarcus Russell, for the extra motivation!

  146. lawyermalloy says: Mar 25, 2012 8:21 AM

    What difference does it make? Other than the “egomaniacal” claim that “I’m #1″; under the new CBA and it’s rookie salary cap, their contracts will ultimately be mirror images of each others.

  147. tombrookshire says: Mar 25, 2012 8:43 AM

    Whichever teams land both of these guys is going to be vastly improved, but head to head, Luck is the superior all around QB due to his mastery of the mental aspects of the game. Not that RG3 hasn’t, but QB is not all about arm strength and running out of the pocket. Mike Vick is a superior athletic talent to most in the game today, but he has not mastered the game nor has he become disciplined or cerebral, two aspects that take you from good to HoF and SB. Montana’s arm strength wasn’t remarkable, yet he was a scholar of the game. Who can remember the names of the dozens of undistinguished QBs throughout history? Ryan Leif was a talented guy who had none of Luck’s intangibles.

  148. ddmcd1974 says: Mar 25, 2012 9:00 AM

    We are bringing up Russell not because he is also black but because it’s a good example of Cossell’s work. It is fair to use prior critiques by Cossell. And Cam Newton I’m sorry but having 5 amazin unreal games does not make you the best rook qb ever. I’m gonna use Culpepper here not because he is also black but because they are really th same player besides Cam having better training and being better built due to the training advances since pepper was a rook. Cam will be a fine qb and like every other team with a great d will make some noise but he is no manning. My bet is he never throws as many td’s as pepper. Pepper was a better qb than cam.

  149. serpentsage says: Mar 25, 2012 9:30 AM

    Actually case not closed. JaMarcus Russell’s problems were not that he didn’t have the “ability”, he lacked discipline. Coselle’s judgements are based on what he sees from watching all of a players college footage.

    First, when Russell was with the Raiders he missed practice frequently. Second, he became out of shape going from 250lbs to about 300lbs in 3yrs. Third, he had some drug issues.

    So Coselle is giving an honest assessment, but the one thing he can’t assess is wether a player will be able to adjust to the rigors of the professional level.

  150. ernie ernie says: Mar 25, 2012 9:39 AM

    I only saw Luck play in two games since Stanford doesn’t get on TV much around the midwest.

    Once he was very accurate but he had a great O line and he was able to stand back and toss the ball effectively.

    The other game he was under the same constant pressure he will see in the NFL and he wasn’t all that great.

    I say RG3 play in two games as well and he was an amazing athlete. Passes were accurate and his running was as good as any back in the NFL.

    If the Colts pick Luck and he fails big time, they won’t be able to give away tickets to the game.

  151. andreaallennyc says: Mar 25, 2012 9:59 AM

    No, sounds like you haven’t seen much Luck and don’t understand what different offensive scheme call for. Luck is totally capable of bombs and has thrown them. But that is really not the Stanford offense and generally they didn’t have receivers who would have been able to get that far down field to catch them.RGIII is a great athlete who, like many good college QBs throw rockets all the time rather than adjusting their velocity to fit the situation. Too interested in looking great and less focused on the game itself.

  152. fsf7 says: Mar 25, 2012 10:27 AM

    naptownwarrior says:Mar 24, 2012 7:12 PM

    these analysts are sooooooo scared to criticize rg3 because they will be called a racist by jesse jackson or al sharpton, what a bunch of cowards. everybody knows that luck is hands on the best prospect in the draft. these suckup analyst cowards are too afraid to say the facts and will keep talking up rg3 as the greatest thing ever, just like they did about vince young and michael vick and jamarcus russell etc.
    —————-

    Merrill Hoge was the strongest voice against drafting Vince Young – going so far as to state that whoever drafted him would be out of a job within 3 years.

    This has nothing to do with race — and I personally cannot stand when the race card is thrown out in any fashion or form. Hoge went in to evaluate one QB vs. another first and foremost, and he gave his opinion on it – skin color meant nothing. Cosell is saying the same thing.

    Only the people who want to make an issue of skin color are making it so.

  153. andreaallennyc says: Mar 25, 2012 10:40 AM

    Then you obviously don’t know what you are talking about. No one who knows anything has ever said Luck has a weak arm … The worst that has been said by experts who have seen him is that RGIII has a stronger arm. And that Luck’s arm is as strong as or stronger than Manning’s. Really, how bad can that be?

  154. ltrayn33 says: Mar 25, 2012 10:40 AM

    RG3> Luck (Ryan Leaf 2.0)

  155. prettyboyjd says: Mar 25, 2012 11:19 AM

    Matt Leinart, Rex Grossman, Patrick Ramsey, Chad Pennington, Brady Quinn, Tony Eason, Richard Todd, Kyle Boller, Jeff George, J.P. Losman, Tommy Maddox, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Kelly Stouffer, Jim Druckenmiller, Mike Phipps, Jerry Tagge, Tim Couch, Cade McNown, Dan McGwire, David Klingler, Todd Blackledge, Rick Mirer, Heath Shuler, Todd Marinovich, Art Schlichter, and Ryan Leaf all were cant miss 1st rounders! How soon we forget because all we can think about is JaMarcus Russell. America is so jacked up.

  156. bayoor75 says: Mar 25, 2012 12:14 PM

    Will you analysts just shut up!!! I know RG3 is the superior talent, but we can’t keep broadcasting it…I don’t want RG3 in the same division as my Texans!!!

  157. babyhorsemorgan says: Mar 25, 2012 3:27 PM

    Gabbert and Griffin are the same age, came to Big 12 same year. When Blaine left, he had more wins, passing yardage, Td passes, over the same time period, in fewer games started. Prior to last year’s draft, Gabbert rated by NFL advisory as a first round pick. Griffin rated as a late round pick.

    So, Gabbert came out, Gruesome had to go back for another year of pitch and catch with Kendall Wright. Since then BG has 14 NFL starts. RG had about the same Big 12 starts. If Gabbert was rated higher a year ago, WHAT HAS CHANGED?

  158. vanpigskin says: Mar 25, 2012 5:42 PM

    it isn’t about which qb is better, it is more about whose style fits best into whose playbook. the colts are looking for a pocket passer since their team has been built on manning’s style for so long. the redskins want to open up the field laterally + make unorthodox plays – rg3 is the man to do it. win-win

  159. bayoor75 says: Mar 25, 2012 11:11 PM

    Babyhorsemorgan, you must have been high on something when you wrote that post! Blaine Gabbert had 48 TDs (40 passing, 8 rushing) and 18 INTs (3 years, 31 games) by the time he declared last year. As of that time, RG3 had 65 TDs (42 passing, 23 running) and just 11 INTs (3 years, 28 games). In short, RG3 had more TDs and 7 less INTs in 3 less games than your BG.
    Second, RG3 never felt intimidated (just as Luck) to go to a struggling program and turning it around. The situation is different than going to an established program. At the established program, you are surrounded by superior talent. That should make what RG3 and Luck look even more spectacular. They didn’t have the 4 and 5 star WRs and RBs.
    Third, everyone who knows football knows that Jax reached for BG. He was a second round talent at best, and I always knew that he would be a bust. Go back and watch the Mizzou games. While he has the arm strength that makes scouts and GMs swoon, his decision making was poor, his foot work was atrocious and he only cracked 60% completion rate once (in his final season). These shortcomings were talked about but last year class of QBs was mediocre, so teams had to reach.
    Look, everyone’s not going to like every QB, but please don’t make up facts. You are online, read about these QBs and their grades before writing some bullsh!t.

  160. mdc21787 says: Mar 26, 2012 1:26 AM

    he lofts the ball to open recievers!!!! every ball he throws is lofted!!! ZERO zip on his passes

  161. andreaallennyc says: Mar 26, 2012 8:28 AM

    Not sure what you mean. Luck certainly does sometimes loft the ball to open receivers, but his receivers were rarely open. He usually is throwing balls into double coverage and gets it into tight windows, sometimes like a bullet. You really must not have seen much of him, you really don’t know what you’re talking about. If what you said were true, he’d never have gotten any of the raves he’s gotten.

  162. lakermetskins says: Mar 26, 2012 10:27 PM

    Little Earthquake says:
    Mar 24, 2012 11:56 PM

    lakermetskins says: Mar 24, 2012 9:53 PM

    The Shanahans haven’t forgotten how to win.

    ____

    Could have fooled me. So if they haven’t forgotten then they must have quit trying.
    ——————————————
    For Little Earthquake, Shanahan needs a great qb to run his system. Brian Griese and Jake Plummer were not good enough. RG3 is the guy Shanahan needs.

    Its funny. All super bowl winning coaches seem to have great QB’s running their systems. Interesting……………………

  163. spankygreen says: Mar 28, 2012 10:29 PM

    Luck…

    quicker release
    more polished
    safer pick…really!!!!, safer for whom
    qb pedigree…..dad was qb in NFL…..Sucked, but beside the point

    Griffin…..

    The quicker release
    even more polished
    WON the Heisman………, legitimate winner
    Future star wherever he goes

    Good luck to both QB’s

  164. spankygreen says: Mar 28, 2012 10:37 PM

    Robert Griffin III

    Heisman Trophy Winner……

    All of you Andrew Luck faithful, get off your knees and wipe your mouths. If he was as great as you are convinced that he is……he would have won the Heisman……don’t you think?

  165. andreaallennyc says: Mar 29, 2012 10:18 AM

    RGIII is an elite athlete and a great college football player, but please praise him for the attributes he actually has. To say he has a quicker release or is more polished than Luck just shows you don’t know hat you are talking about. You can say he has a quick release in general, perhaps, but not better than Luck. Saying he is polished doesn’t even stand on its own. If you need to tout RGIII, you can say he has a stronger arm than Luck or is a faster runner (though Luck also has a strong arm and is fast for a QB). These guys are both great and neither is perfect … but making claims about RGIII that aren’t credible just makes you both look bad.

  166. andreaallennyc says: Apr 14, 2012 2:36 PM

    Repeating something doesn’t make it true … You don’t have a clue what you are talking about. Go look at his film. Most passes are definitely not lofted … Some certainly have zip.

  167. rabbdogg says: Apr 21, 2012 10:15 AM

    u go look at film instead of just fluffing luck..i like luck and think he will be great, but all that crap u said about RG3 is just made up stupid crap…u say stuff like he just fires rockets and dont know how to adjust to the throw he making..WRONG as usual..watch the tape..look at his completion %..he can dink and dunk just like luck AND he has a high deep ball completion %..very quick release..very acurate..and hes a world class sprinter..

  168. andreaallennyc says: Apr 21, 2012 1:55 PM

    rabbdog, I have seen many games for both players and saw what I said. Only time I saw anything different from RGIII was on his pro day and dvdn then, with no pressure, he wasn’t early ad accurate as Luck is in ames. I am not the only one to have made these observations. You need to look at more than completion percentage. Yes he is a world class sprinter; that’s a good thing but how does that translate into being a better QB? If you are going to rely on stats, look at sacks … RGIII was sacked 2-3 times as many times as Luck per season. That, I assume, was due at least in part to their O-lines so I don’t raise that as a knock on RGIII, I raise it to show that stats don’t tell the whole story. This quick release stuff is plain silly … He’s fine, but doesn’t have nearly the efficiency in his motion as Luck and isn’t as quick or as good a decision maker as Luck. Enough of this …

  169. mdc21787 says: Apr 24, 2012 6:24 PM

    ive done the film study man…or woman. im not picking favorites here, its just a fact that rg3 has the superior arm and athleticism

  170. andreaallennyc says: Apr 24, 2012 8:02 PM

    Actually, I don’t recall anyone arguing that. No one at all. RGIII has a very strong arm and is a great athlete. I don’t think either of those make RGIII a better QB than Andrew Luck. And RGIII having these great skills doesn’t mean that Luck has a particularly weak arm, he has a very strong arm, and it doesn’t mean that Luck is a poor athlete, Luck is an elite athlete. But none of that is much to the point of anything I was discussing, which was QB skills ..

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