Science > Religious Nonsense….

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You know, it’s absolutely possible for intelligent people to believe in scientific facts and still maintain spiritual faith in God. And maybe you should check your scientific facts. Many medical studies have been done on the effect of prayer in recovering from surgery, cancer, and other medical issues. While I don’t believe an individual such as Tim Tebow has the power to heal, research shows that people who supplement medical treatment with prayer do experience faster recovery times. So from a scientific perspective, the only one being nonsensical here … is you.

Was that Rebecca Hands from South Jersey? Cause I went to high school with her.

So what do you think of the Russian elections?

As far as the founding fathers intent, I think instead of debating what exactly it was, you have to think about it’s worth. The founding fathers couldn’t possibly comprehend the country we currently live in. Think about the NFL exactly one year ago. How many of us knew that Manning would be a free agent? The bounty scandal? The cap debate? The 49ers success? The mergence of Victor Cruz? Tim Tebow winning a playoff game, and then getting traded? No one could have guessed any of those things (and if they did, it was pure luck). Now try to image what the league will be like next year. Now try to image what the entire world will be like in 200 years. You can’t possibly claim to have an understanding of what the world will be like. And neither did the founding fathers.

The great thing they did was they made it possible to edit their work. They were smart enough to know that world changes. I don’t know what the founding fathers would think, or want, or believe, but I doubt they would want you to try and figure it for them. So let’s leave the founding father talk else where, and talk about this actual story.

Tebow placed his hands on another person’s neck in order to heal it. I am an atheist (I can almost hear the thumbs down button being clicked) but I don’t see why anyone would have a problem with this. Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s stupid, and there is no way anything other than a placebo effect would actually occur (although there is something to be said about that), but I don’t see why anyone would care. As long as religious beliefs aren’t pushed on anyone, I don’t see them as worthy of this kind of discussion. Tebow certainly might play up his beliefs a little bit for his own reasons, and the attention he has received for his beliefs is comical, but that doesn’t mean we have to concern ourselves with his practices.

I’ll leave you all to thumbs down repeatedly.

That is where you are very mistaken. I have a doctorate in political science. I’m sure with very little effort and google you could find the proof. I know people have a tendency to believe you cannot be a Christian and educated but that combination is more common than some want to admit.

Notice I quoted several founders and even those who admittedly were not Christian embrace a view of morality and law informed by Judeo-Christian faith. You are correct when you say the protection works both ways: government from being seized by religion, and religion being suppressed by government. However, the idea that separation of church and state meant that government has to reject all vestiges of religion and specifically Christianity is simply not borne out by the statements of the authors themselves. There is a reason the first amendment has two separate clauses pertaining to religion: the establishment clause, the free exercise clause.

Anyone who thinks Tebow actually thinks he’s Jesus and can heal people is just as ignorant as someone who think that being pro-life makes them a Christian. I did a 40-day back packing trip with 8 other people this summer that’s part of a Christian organization. If someone had a headache, we’d lay hands and pray over them. Did the headache always go away? No. The laying of the hands was more about brotherhood and encouragement than anyone thinking they had divine powers.

I grew up going to a church that would lay hands on someone who was dealing with the death of a family member. It is one of the most beautiful and compassionate acts one human being can do for another. And if you have a problem with it you’re just as much of a damn hypocrite as all the “Bible thumpers” you make fun of for being hypocrites.

Hmmm, lets see: while our leaders sign away our civil liberties, we sit on a pointless website to comment on someone’s faith because we don’t agree with it or don’t understand it. If your favorite team wins the Superbowl, you morons think you’re part of the team and you have accomplished something. These football players are modern day gladiators and the Roman empire is about to collapse. Then where will your opinions get you?

To start with, I wanted to fix up your grammar, so I took the liberty.

The problem is not with “civil liberties,” they long ago figured out how to enslave us without infringing too much on those. That way, we don’t get wise to what they are really stealing from us, which is our democracy and our ability to self determine our own future, and to live according to our own principals. They are giving the store away to the “1 Percenters.”

Don’t call football fans “morons,” most of us aren’t, handicapping and second guessing coaching and management moves around the league is a fun pastime. We are not twiddling our thumbs, like Nero, as Rome burns, I for one, try to make my corner of the world a better place.

Society won’t collapse here in the States, it will just become increasingly harder to live like a human being. According to a Harvard/McKinsey economist I know, the days of unchecked growth are over, and will never return. Competition for the world’s resources will get nastier and nastier.

Christian or whatever, we are going to need some brotherhood to get through the next 100 years.

The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were. . . . the general principles of Christianity. . . . I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God; and that those principles of liberty are as unalterable as human nature.

Samuel Adams

Samuel Adams organized the Boston Tea Party, and served as Governor of Massachusetts, a delegate to the Continental congress, and a signer of the Declaration of Independence. In his 1772 work, The Rights of the Colonists, Adams wrote: The right to freedom being the gift of the Almighty…The rights of the colonists as Christians…may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutions of The Great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament.

Franklin (yes he was a Deist) still said … As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think his system of morals and his religion, as be left them to us, the best the world ever saw, or is like to see (his moral view was shaped accordingly)

Alexander Hamilton
In my opinion, the present constitution is the standard to which we are to cling. Under its banner bona fide must we combat our political foes, rejecting all changes but through the channel itself provided for amendments. By these general views of the subject have my reflections been guided. I now offer you the outline of the plan they have suggested. Let an association be formed to be denominated “The Christian Constitutional Society,” its object to be first: The support of the Christian religion. second: The support of the United States.

Trying to rewrite history to exclude the very strong Christian influence and practices by many of the founding fathers shows a high degree of revisionist effort. To say that they were antithetical to Christianity and the Bible is shear nonsense. As to reading something other than the Bible and growing up, I happen to have a Ph.D. in Political Science from a major research university. I have spent a life time studying politics some of which includes the foundations of our own constitution.

Seriously you need a history lesson randyzabel..maybe if youd read something other than your bible you’d actually become informed on historical and relevant facts…

None of the Founding Fathers were atheists. Most of the Founders were Deists, which is to say they thought the universe had a creator, but that he does not concern himself with the daily lives of humans, and does not directly communicate with humans, either by revelation or by sacred books. They spoke often of God, (Nature’s God or the God of Nature), but this was not the God of the bible. They did not deny that there was a person called Jesus, and praised him for his benevolent teachings, but they flatly denied his divinity. Some people speculate that if Charles Darwin had lived a century earlier, the Founding Fathers would have had a basis for accepting naturalistic origins of life, and they would have been atheists. We’ll never know; but by reading their own writings, it’s clear that most of them were opposed to the bible, and the teachings of Christianity in particular.

patsaintsbroncoscheat says:Mar 24, 2012 5:10 PM

This is crazy! Who are you people talking about the founding fathers? It makes me think you have never had a history class. Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and Alexander Hamilton are all well known non religious people. Alexander Hamilton might have been slightly religious but was known to make jokes at religion and religious peoples expense on many occasions.
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Wow – accussing other people of never taking a history class and spouting that drivel. The vast majority of the founding fathers were religious and Christian principles guided much of their understanding of society and government.
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Those are the ones who did the majority of the writing and as much as you would like you cannot alter history. Sorry for telling the truth. You probably think “in god we trust” has been around since the beginning and separation of church and state is just words and we are a christian nation. Grow up. I am not saying I don’t believe in God but I refuse to change historical facts to make my side of the story seem more poignant.

He was warned in late 2011 to stop endorsing the company honoring the pagan goddess of victory named NIKE. That is right… NIKE honors the name of the pagan goddess NIKE… and God hates NIKE!

Tebow endorses Christians products AND Tebow endorses pagan products.

http://www.christiansagainstnike.com/

Deut 21:18-21

If your son misbehaves you are to stone him to death

Go away with this book of brutality !

Pls stop quoting the bible as it is some kind of moral code.

Why don’t you quote me that passage in the bible. I’m guessing you can’t. In my many years of going to church as a protestant I have never once witnessed anyone lay hands upon another. And my church used to collect names of people to pray for. Some right there in the front row. I’m sorry but the laying of hands is not a regular part of christianity.

Anyway I eagerly await your response even though I know it wont happen.