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Mara says Redskins, Cowboys are lucky they didn’t lose draft picks

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The Redskins and the Cowboys have filed a grievance challenging the imposition of cap penalties against the franchises for accounting in the uncapped year.  The Chairman of the NFL Management Council Executive Committte, who also happens to be one of the owners of the New York Giants, spoke out in support of the cap penalties on Sunday.

I thought the penalties imposed were proper,” John Mara said, via Calvin Watkins of ESPN.com.  “What they did was in violation of the spirit of the salary cap.  They attempted to take advantage of a one-year loophole, and quite frankly, I think they’re lucky they didn’t lose draft picks. . . .  They attempted to take advantage of it knowing full well there would be consequences.”

Frankly, it’s not the right message — and it’s not the right messenger.

The league still hasn’t identified the rule(s) that the Redskins and Cowboys violated, hiding instead behind disingenuous notions of “competitive balance” and, most recently “the spirit of the salary cap,” whatever that is.

The last CBA created an uncapped year in 2010.  The last CBA imposed specific limits on the uncapped year.  The Redskins and Cowboys took advantage of those rules.  As every team could have and, frankly, should have.

The league’s effort to get teams to honor restrictions on the uncapped year that didn’t appear in the CBA constitutes collusion.  Having one of the owners of a mutual rival of the two teams that got whacked speak about the situation in strident terms serves only to potentially inflame the situation — and to nudge the Redskins and the Cowboys toward pulling the pin on a grenade that would get shrapnel on all 32 teams.

If the rhetoric from the league continues, the Redskins and Cowboys should.

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  1. YouMadCauseImStylingOnYou says: Mar 25, 2012 3:38 PM

    No conflict of interests here at all.

  2. messageboard2 says: Mar 25, 2012 3:38 PM

    Who died and made Mara the king of the owners?

  3. daltex says: Mar 25, 2012 3:39 PM

    Chances this tool gets a call from God-dell very shortly? Pretty high. What a face palm moment. Mara and the rest of God-dell’s stooges will have egg on their faces pretty soon. This guy needs to shut the ef up.

  4. urfinished says: Mar 25, 2012 3:39 PM

    This guy should stop talking.
    ‘In the spirit of the salary cap’ doesn’t sound very official.

  5. karlpilkington says: Mar 25, 2012 3:39 PM

    Whatever that is… Is exactly right.

  6. alexexum12 says: Mar 25, 2012 3:39 PM

    The whole thing is stupid. The league approved the contracts. Plus, their was no rule saying they couldn’t do that.

  7. jdandcoke says: Mar 25, 2012 3:40 PM

    if a guy like mara isnt the right messenger, than who is?? he didnt say a rule was violated…he said they took advantage of a loophole, which is exactly what they did.

    the decision to take away cap money from the boys and skins may get overturned….but that doesnt change the fact that johnson and snyder are both lowlife owners who tried to take advantage of a system that 28 other owners had the integrity not to do.

  8. tepiii3 says: Mar 25, 2012 3:40 PM

    I love how the Jets logo is behind John Mara!

  9. cakemixa says: Mar 25, 2012 3:41 PM

    I hate the Cowboys as much as anyone, but how can you be punished for “breaking a rule” that didn’t exist?

  10. prettytonyt says: Mar 25, 2012 3:41 PM

    this guy should just keep his mouth shut.

    he is just as unclassy as the jets are but he always gets a pass.

    shut up mara.

  11. evomike06 says: Mar 25, 2012 3:41 PM

    Just the cheating giants trying to gain competitive advantage in the East because they know dallas is on the rise and with the Skins bringing in RGIII and new receivers will be dominating the division in the next few years. Crazy how one of the guys putting out the fine is a owner of the Giants.

  12. thebigkahuna23 says: Mar 25, 2012 3:41 PM

    This is silly. The league is totally in the wrong here. Other teams that did the same thing are getting our money. And neither of these teams made the playoffs. Competitive balance?

    I think this is going to be goodell’s farewell. When people started point out how ridiculous this was it became about pride or him. Like it’s always been. He needs to swallow it before this gets worse for him and the league.

    You don’t think Jerruh or Dannyboy is gonna pull a predator and just blow it all up?

  13. ravenator says: Mar 25, 2012 3:41 PM

    BAM!

  14. jskins83 says: Mar 25, 2012 3:42 PM

    and mara should jus shut the hell up its a joke what the nfl did what about the teams that spend no money that is more hurtfull to the nfl than what the skins and boys did

  15. waitingguilty says: Mar 25, 2012 3:42 PM

    I really appreciate your coverage of this. Keep up the good work…the league is dead wrong and the more neutral observers that call them out the better.

  16. redskinsrt says: Mar 25, 2012 3:44 PM

    In violation of the spirit of WHAT salary cap?

  17. wethog66 says: Mar 25, 2012 3:44 PM

    I thought the Giants minority owner was the drunk one. Guess its both.

    Regardless, this is going to be getting real good, very quickly. I can’t wait.

  18. sadskinsfan89 says: Mar 25, 2012 3:45 PM

    Mara needs to shut it. He was behind all of this mess anyway. More reason to hate the Giants.

  19. ravens89 says: Mar 25, 2012 3:45 PM

    Instead of being stripped of draft picks, the Redskins chose not to have any by trading them all to St. Louis.

  20. jmsincla says: Mar 25, 2012 3:46 PM

    Unreal. What a tool, this guy should be investigated.

  21. cali49er707 says: Mar 25, 2012 3:46 PM

    it must have brought tears to the eyes for goodel to get his dream superbowl scenario pats vs giants, the former pat employee he is & the buddy-buddy friendship with mara he has, man it must have been awesome for him……. oh back to the story @ hand, im sure he (mara) never suggested anything like that though, considering they are divion allies and all!!!

  22. bleedsoe9mm says: Mar 25, 2012 3:46 PM

    damn right ! there should have been fines , lost draft picks and they shouldn’t have been allowed to spread out the punishment over 2 years

  23. cup0pizza says: Mar 25, 2012 3:47 PM

    Mara = dbag

  24. redskins56nw says: Mar 25, 2012 3:48 PM

    Mara! Wow how would he benefit from taking away cap space or draft picks? More reason to hate the Giants!

  25. chawk12thman says: Mar 25, 2012 3:48 PM

    Seems like a violation of the NFL rule against demeaning the league by Mara’s comments? Sure not in the leagues’ best interest. Regardless on what your position is on the Cap Space Penalties, you have to admit this demonstrated bad judgement by Mara.

  26. feck12a says: Mar 25, 2012 3:48 PM

    Well I guess we now know who is running the NFL…would be funny if it went to federal court, Mara was found to be the one in charge of collusion and he was forced to sell.

  27. megadethgod says: Mar 25, 2012 3:49 PM

    Two things:

    It sounds to me like like Mara is just mad because his team didn’t take advantage of the uncapped year.

    It also sounds as though PFT support the ‘Skins and ‘Girls in what they did.

  28. cowboynation9 says: Mar 25, 2012 3:50 PM

    “in violation of the spirit of the salary cap” …that’s basically admitting they were colluding.

    He sounds an awful lot like a guy just using his power to hurt his division rivals. As well as being an arrogant tool.

  29. skinsfaninnebraska says: Mar 25, 2012 3:50 PM

    Mr Mara, the NFL is going to “be lucky” if they don’t wind up having to give the two teams their cap space back plus a couple compensatory draft picks.

  30. serpentsage says: Mar 25, 2012 3:50 PM

    And using strong-arm tactics against the players union to get these penalties passed, as well as hiding this penalty until a few days before the start of the league year gives Mara the moral high ground.

    Please spare me! Mara’s actions are not in a spirit of fairness, but out of greed.

  31. crp63 says: Mar 25, 2012 3:50 PM

    Apparently John does’nt know what collusion is either.Thanks for confirming that the rest of you actually participated in it.Hopefully Goodell will realize after legal proceedings are done,that a “wink and nod”is not a legal binding agreement…

  32. brianjoates says: Mar 25, 2012 3:50 PM

    Wouldn’t it be great to have a spring league, so nobody had to even care about this stuff?

    Keep it behind close doors, nobody really wants to know about billionaires in a pissing match over whose lawyers are better.

  33. deathtoromo says: Mar 25, 2012 3:50 PM

    So , as its been stated over and over on this site ( but not in the mainstream media ), what about the turds like the Bucs and Bengals who spent below the floor and the Bears and Packers who did essentially the same thing? Mara is a tool who inherited daddys franchise. At least Snyder and Jones are self made. The NFL fkd with the wrong owners.

  34. juddgr says: Mar 25, 2012 3:51 PM

    And this from a guy who looks like he has had Goodell in his back pocket. the NFL needs more good guys which these two do not qualify in my book.

  35. nyyjetsknicks says: Mar 25, 2012 3:52 PM

    Not a Cowboys or Redskinds fan, but there was no cap and the contracts were approved.

  36. rickastleydancemoves says: Mar 25, 2012 3:52 PM

    I don’t care for the cowboys or the redskins, but the arrogance the nfl is displaying is baffling. I hope Jerry and Dan break the nfl’s ass in court.

  37. dugganmt says: Mar 25, 2012 3:53 PM

    John Mara, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are intelligent enough to realize you should let someone else speak about this topic. You are just making the situation more heated.

    S.T.F.U.

  38. botchedextrapoint says: Mar 25, 2012 3:53 PM

    As I pointed out in another post yesterday. If the cowboys and redskins behaved as the league said they should then the NFLPA would have made the collusion charge stick better and would gave been emboldened to continue the lockout and seek a victory through the courts. The lockout would not have ended when it did and the 2011 season would have been lost. How did that season work out for your team Mara? It’s weird that a couple of favored franchises found themselves hard up on the old cap, steelers and packers, then it looks like the cap number is going to be a bit lower. The. NFL magically finds the cap room for it’s favored teams by taking it from the two teams that followed the rules in place it the time an were directly responsible for the NFL getting the CBA it desperately wanted.

  39. redskins56nw says: Mar 25, 2012 3:53 PM

    Fines for what there was no cap!no rules were broke.What about those teams that never spend their money are they not in violation of the So called competitive balance?

  40. stopdk12 says: Mar 25, 2012 3:54 PM

    fools…skins and boys weren’t the greedy ones, they are the ones spreading the wealth and driving up the salary cap and helping the players…that’s why they are being punished by the other owners. this “upsetting a competitive imbalance” is totally BS. ALL THE OTHER OWNERS could have done the same thing, the rules were the same for everyone. so i don’t see how that argument can hold any water once an arbitrator looks at it.

    i wonder if the league will now have to punish the other owners who screwed their fans and didn’t spend the money to field a competitive team… you see this goes both way. there were a lot of teams that were nowhere near the cap…what’s their punishment? why is it that so few players signed offer sheets with new teams? only one player signed a restricted offer and switched teams last year…one! that’s ridiculous! what more proof is there that there was an agreement between the owners to hurt the players?

    fact is, the owners were in cohoots with one another not to drive up the salary pool. that is why there was actually going to be a decrease in the amount of money given to the players…down to $115 mil…no wonder the NFLPA voted for the penalty. i would have loved to have heard what antonio cromatie said when they told him he was making less money…after they held up the season…

  41. skinsfan4 says: Mar 25, 2012 3:54 PM

    Mara should be happy his team has gotten hot at the right time two times in the last 5 years. Those teams were clearly not the best teams in the league those years. In both seasons it looked like he was going to fire his coach. Then they got lucky.

  42. dpinchot says: Mar 25, 2012 3:54 PM

    Mike, you were so pro NFL when the hammer came down against the Saints, but look now.

  43. cardmagnet says: Mar 25, 2012 3:54 PM

    Yeah, take their draft picks for league approved deals!

  44. kinney34 says: Mar 25, 2012 3:54 PM

    bleedsoe9mm says: Mar 25, 2012 3:46 PM

    damn right ! there should have been fines , lost draft picks and they shouldn’t have been allowed to spread out the punishment over 2 years

    what are you talking about?

  45. truthassassin says: Mar 25, 2012 3:55 PM

    If no rules were broken, no penalties should be imposed… regardless of any “oral” warnings (AKA -”shhh… it’s not against the rules, technically, but none of us are spending, so, if you do we’ll be really pissed… so, you better not do it!!!!). Mara is clearly pissed that two division rivals took advantage of the uncapped year where they technically broke no rule. IMO, both teams should get their money back and the rest of the league should learn to follow the actual rules (not the unspoken rules).

  46. stoutfiles says: Mar 25, 2012 3:55 PM

    What about the seven teams who took advantage of no cap floor and spent less than the normal floor?

  47. steelpalace302 says: Mar 25, 2012 3:55 PM

    Jerry and Dan pull the pin.

  48. wwwfella says: Mar 25, 2012 3:56 PM

    so according to him they deserve being punished for violating a rule that wasnt a rule pertaining to the salary cap where there was no cap!!!!

  49. rockyburnette says: Mar 25, 2012 3:56 PM

    By all means Skins and Boys pull the pin, and watch the rest of the league go nuclear on the 2 fantasy teams owned fabulous douche bags. Membership has its privileges, Jerry and Danny will find themselves on the outside looking in if they do not handle this right.

  50. bigmike7914 says: Mar 25, 2012 3:57 PM

    Does this idiot know that he basically admitted to collusion…smh

  51. babyhorsemorgan says: Mar 25, 2012 3:58 PM

    The “spirit of the salary cap” is that ghostly apparition who comes by deep in the night to take all the cap room you have hidden under your pillow. Kind of an evil Tooth Fairy.

  52. commandercornpone says: Mar 25, 2012 3:59 PM

    ex post facto, anyone?

    yes the contracts were legal at the time and yes the nfl approved them.

    mara already got his revenge, and sb victory. what did the dumping do for jones and snyder… nothing.

    they already got punished. the nfl doent have a case. but we will get to see what they present as one, some day.

  53. onodontbescurred says: Mar 25, 2012 3:59 PM

    j had a lot of respect for everythingthing Mr Mara had done for this league but really? it sounds like Mr mara had a lot of say in this and I would love to k ow why the redskins and cowboys are the only ones to get in trouble for this and not say the bears who had Julius peppers make almost 30 M in the uncapped year and 1M the next year. competitive balance my rear end

  54. david7590 says: Mar 25, 2012 3:59 PM

    Go jump in the hole with your old man Mr. Peabody.

  55. winskins says: Mar 25, 2012 4:00 PM

    Classic example of what happens when idiots get into positions of power.

    The guy’s own statement contradicts itself at least twice. Snyder’s lawyers will have a field day with this clown.

    If the Skins lose Fletcher because of this guy’s salary crap moves, Mara should be removed from his little perch on top of the Management Council. He’s directly costing his competition of their best players.

  56. jdandcoke says: Mar 25, 2012 4:00 PM

    the giants are hated and everyone is blasting mara….signs that your team is doing well.

    G-MEN!!

    hey skinsfans4…..you wish you get “lucky” like that. they were obviously the best team this year during the playoffs…the only luck they had was being able to get healthy before time ran out. get a clue.

  57. rickc402 says: Mar 25, 2012 4:02 PM

    Isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black, his team overspends in the “uncapped” year by 5.5 million, never mind about that. Seems that Wellington never got around to teaching Jr. anything about class before leaving us.

  58. bigbluewreckincrew says: Mar 25, 2012 4:02 PM

    Looks like the stores in Dallas & DC are out of Kleenex with all the crying I see here. You clueless fans bash on an owner like Mara? At least he’s not on the field in the 4th quarter of a week 3 game undermining the carousel of coaches your garbage teams keep throwing out there. Snyder & Jones are a joke and I’m glad they’re being penalized – so enjoy seeing the Lombardi in East Rutherford and keep believing you have good ownership, what a joke you fair weather Deadskins & Cowgirl fans are. Go blue!!!!

  59. racksie says: Mar 25, 2012 4:03 PM

    I disagree, Mike. They knew the deal. Daniel Snyder, and Jerry Jones knew what they were doing. It’s about ego. Idiots.

  60. giantrealist says: Mar 25, 2012 4:03 PM

    I’m with John Mara. There was no cap because there was no CBA. But in the spirit of good sportsmanship every team except the two owned by the biggest goonies in the NFL kept if fair and didn’t take advantage.

    And how did all that freewheel spending turn out for JJ and Snydlie?

    The Giants do it the right way and the fair way and win. By far the best run team and the best character team in the division, and probably the entire league.

    So when Johnnie talks people need to pay attention.

  61. eaglessuperfan says: Mar 25, 2012 4:06 PM

    Moral of the story? If your told not to do something but you disagree and do it. Don’t be shocked when it hits the fan.

  62. jwil444 says: Mar 25, 2012 4:08 PM

    Earlier a senator wanted to hold hearings on the Saints bounty activities, when will someone in Washington want to hear about the NFL’s business practices and collusion?

    The arrogance of the league is astounding to me, should this get played out fully, I don’t see how the league can justify it’s activities. Further, when you have a divisional rival speaking out on this matter, it smells all the worse.

    Skins and Cowboys have a legitimate gripe here, stay on this story, there are plenty of legs.

  63. worldwidebleater says: Mar 25, 2012 4:10 PM

    Now, who might benefit from the Redskins and Cowboys losing draft picks and salary cap space? Hmm.. If I owned the Eagles, I’d watch may ass. Maybe Mara could take picks away from the Eagles for Buddy Ryan’s bounty system.

  64. ryansiefert10 says: Mar 25, 2012 4:11 PM

    The Skins and Cowboys should be lucky they didn’t loose a draft pick?

    If anything the Skins and Cowboys should be given an extra draft pick because this cap penalty is unfair and has hurt our ability to sign free agents.

  65. thrstr says: Mar 25, 2012 4:12 PM

    thanks for showing your role in this Mr. Mara, any questions, rest of League??

  66. footballfanman says: Mar 25, 2012 4:13 PM

    Can’t believe the irreparable damage this has done to the Redskins. We would probably have Vincent Jackson right now. We would have given Landry a one year deal. We would have gotten a top FA lineman, and we would have already re-signed London Fletcher. The damage is done.

  67. westclaims says: Mar 25, 2012 4:13 PM

    MF just wants this to drag out in any way possible.

  68. chadman128 says: Mar 25, 2012 4:13 PM

    Did the NFL ban them from competing in the playoffs or is that something both teams just do on their own???

  69. kingdavid56 says: Mar 25, 2012 4:14 PM

    What an idiot they didn’t break any rules!!!!!

  70. Mike Florio says: Mar 25, 2012 4:14 PM

    @dpinchot . . . This isn’t like rooting for a team. I agree with the league’s position on the Saints, and I disagree — strongly — with the league’s position on the Redskins and Cowboys.

  71. steelcityrapist says: Mar 25, 2012 4:14 PM

    THIS IS TOTAL BULL SHHHHH

    1 THE LEAGUE APPROVED THE CONTRACTS
    2 WHAT ADVANTAGE DID THE REDSKINS HAVE BY OVERPAYING FAT ALBERT. WOW WHAT AN ADVANTAGE!! THEY TRADED HIM TO NEW ENGLAND FOR A LATE ROUND PICK.(looks like New England made out)
    3 IF THEY DONT KNOW WHAT RULE IS BROKEN, THEN HOW CAN YOU PUNISH SOMEONE???
    4 FIGURES IT WOULD BE THE OWNER OT THE giants, SEENS LIKE AN ADVANTAGE FOR HIM TO REDUCE THE CAP SPACE ON TWO TEAMS IN HIS DIVISION.

  72. deathtoromo says: Mar 25, 2012 4:15 PM

    I love when Ravens fan get on these forums and chime in about integrity and sportsmanship. That’s like John Harbaugh giving a lecture on clock management. Stay on Raven related posts….if you can find one.

  73. lex031 says: Mar 25, 2012 4:15 PM

    Eaglessuperfan your a tool just like mora no one was told not to do something. There was no rule to break, it was an uncapped year if other teams were too cowardly to take advantage of that then its on them. And to top it all off the league approved everything if they had a problem they could of stopped it then!

  74. riverhorsey says: Mar 25, 2012 4:18 PM

    do you really think Snyder and Jones didn’t discuss what they thought was a slick way around the uncapped year rules ??

    Jones and Snyder colluded on a way to beat the rule.

  75. girlsinthesouthlovefootball says: Mar 25, 2012 4:19 PM

    Mr. Mara sounds emblazoned by his recent Super Bowl win.

  76. gmacbigd says: Mar 25, 2012 4:21 PM

    Mara is lucky the Giants didnt lose draft picks for faking injuries. What an idiot. They broke no rules, so there should be no punishment.

  77. derekjetersmansion says: Mar 25, 2012 4:22 PM

    They didn’t collude! They tried to collude but didn’t because Jerry and Dan did this.

    If they colluded, the players would have sued them already.

    What salaries are they holding down? Peppers made $35 million in 2010.

  78. dirtmcgirt24 says: Mar 25, 2012 4:25 PM

    messageboard2 says:
    Mar 25, 2012 3:38 PM

    Who died and made Mara the king of the owners?

    ——-

    His father, that’s who. And in doing so, he passed the torch of the biggest market in the league to his son. He also passed the spirit of revenue sharing, which has precluded big market teams like the Giants from strongarming networks into exclusive coverage deals, and has led to the monsterous television contracts that benefit the entire league’s owners and players alike. And, as part of that, the salary cap comes with it.

    If the Cowboys and Redskins want to reap the rewards of all of the revenue sharing (and other arguably monopolistic advantages), they should have maintained the spirit of the competitive balance that they owe all their success to. Rules or loopholes notwithstanding.

    If not, they should give back the revenue and go join a league where it’s every man for himself. That should be about as entertaining as baseball, let’s see how it goes.

    Go look at English soccer. It’s allegedly the biggest sport in the world. But many teams are in financial straits, and the other ones are irrelevant in their 30,000 seat stadiums.

    One last point: OF COURSE the league approved the contracts – because they were busy trying to hold labor costs down for the benefit of both teams in question, and any rejection would have hurt that cause.

  79. FourRings says: Mar 25, 2012 4:26 PM

    It doesn’t matter that Mara owns the Giants who are in the same division. He’s the head of the management council. It’s his job to see that teams operate don’t take advantage of the rules, or lack of a rule in an uncapped weird year with no CBA.

    Why didn’t all the other teams do this if it was not a big deal? The Giants could have used that kind of cap relief in 2012 as they are consistently against their limit, but they and all the other teams listened to the league office and did not take advantage.

    The league allegedly warned Dallas and Washington six different times not to do dump money into 2010, but couldn’t stop them because their wasn’t a rule in place in a non CBA year. That’s why the contracts were “approved” at the time.

    Mara did an awful thing to Giants season ticket holders by pricing most of them out of the stadium, but in this situation he’s right.

  80. rickc402 says: Mar 25, 2012 4:29 PM

    So Giantrealist other than Fat Albert what other “monster” free agents did the Redskins and Cowboys sign in 2009 to get them to the super bowl. I’ll save you that headache….NONE! This was about off loading “dead money” which as the article says every team should have done. Besides again is you go by the NFL’s math 16 other teams over spent, where is their punishment????

  81. truthassassin says: Mar 25, 2012 4:30 PM

    If you’re a fan of any team in the NFC East… you really don’t need to voice your bias opinion here, unless you’re doing so with a level head…

    As someone without bias, I can tell you that the Skins and Cowboys are getting ripped for not “doing what they were told” even though they didn’t break any written rules… Thus, no matter how upset big cry babies like Mara are, the Skins and Cowboys should not be penalized and doing so opens up the rest of the league to penalized for actions that technically do not “break the rules”… I really hope this gets overturned, for the FAIR competitive balance of the league…

  82. paulsmith107 says: Mar 25, 2012 4:31 PM

    Marra should shut his mouth he’s a clown

  83. bearfan34 says: Mar 25, 2012 4:32 PM

    I’m not sure, but isn’t the penalties because Signing Bonus money is supposed to be spread out over the length of the contract per the CBA, and the Cowboys and Skins dumped the signing bonus money into the uncapped year. And the CBA was still in effect during the uncapped year, the salary cap wasn’t. Huge difference.

  84. ruffbufffire says: Mar 25, 2012 4:39 PM

    Screw the Cowboys and Skins but why did NFL approve the contracts? Looks like BS to me!!

  85. skinsgame says: Mar 25, 2012 4:40 PM

    Keep running your mouth Mara. Every word is another nail in the coffin of the league. This could be the beginning of the end for the NFL as we know it. Surely there will be big antitrust hearings now.

  86. arlingtonassasin says: Mar 25, 2012 4:42 PM

    You all realize that the NFL is basically a bunch of incredibly old rich whites guys right? The “rule” the Skins and Cowboys broke was probably a gentleman’s agreement between all the owners. And surprise surprise, the two biggest A-hole owners (Jones and Snyder) were the ones that pissed on that agreement. Who’s going to stop a committee of owners from punishing their own when they behave like a couple morons? Mara just happens to be the Chairman. Could be any of the boys that are respected.

  87. kokomike says: Mar 25, 2012 4:42 PM

    If you would have told me yesterday that the Giants would look more foolish than the Jets today, I would have thought “not possible.” Well, the Giants are fools now. They will pay a price for that, too. Fools.

  88. starfan79 says: Mar 25, 2012 4:43 PM

    Collusion!!!!

  89. onodontbescurred says: Mar 25, 2012 4:44 PM

    and the redskins and the cowboys are the only culprits huh. http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1002718/Untitled1-1.jpg

  90. thetooloftools says: Mar 25, 2012 4:44 PM

    So let me get this straight. If the owners agreed NOT to spend X amount of $ it’s collusion. But if you spend more then the rest it’s a penalty? This is just beyond wrong. I don’t like the Skins or the Boys but this ruling is just over the top stupid. If what Jerry said about the NFL having to approve all contracts, then how can they say “we had no choice”. And for the Raiders to get spanked for cutting Jamarcus Russell is just breathtaking. He is/was/may always be the biggest and most expensive bust in NFL history. Total garbage. I can’t even put in to words how far Goodell has overstepped his role.
    UNCAPPED YEAR = UNCAPPED YEAR
    (yea,, but there was a cap we just didn’t want the players union to know about).
    I guess that’s why the players agreed to a contract that they couldn’t sue the owners over.
    UNREAL.
    Total hose job.

  91. zinn22 says: Mar 25, 2012 4:46 PM

    I hate to defend the Skins and Cowboys but they are being punished for not engaging in collusion. because they did not join the other criminal owners in their illegal activity they are being punished.

    The league could have denied the contracts but then their collusion would have been out in the open.

  92. skins1313 says: Mar 25, 2012 4:47 PM

    Well not much to say after that statement! Lol….holy smokes! The king has spoken! “spirit of the salary cap in an uncapped year” really? This needs to go behind close doors! We all love this league for better or worse! This is all becoming too embarrassing to bare. We can all argue ethics, morals, right or wrong but c’mon man! Say it with me CC!

  93. stayclassyasheville says: Mar 25, 2012 4:50 PM

    Life’s too short to care about this.

    Jerrah & Daniel can go start the “Cowboys & Indians League” if they ain’t happy!

  94. tmurray2181 says: Mar 25, 2012 4:50 PM

    To the people who call Snyder and Jones lowlife owners who took advantage of a loophole you might want to get your facts straight. Of the 32 teams in the NFL 16 teams were over the roughly 120 million cap that would have been in place if there was a salary cap. How come only Dallas and Washington were punished? Shouldn’t matter if you were over by a penny or 40 million over is over and if you punish 2 teams all that went over should be punished if that’s the case.

  95. FourRings says: Mar 25, 2012 4:55 PM

    How is it fair that TWO teams do something unfair to create future cap room they are told by the league not to do, yet the other THIRTY teams listen. Every team would have done it if it wasn’t a big deal.

    You really think Mara was the only owner who was outraged by what the Cowboys and Redskins did in 2010? Is anyone really surprised that Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder are the owners of these two teams? No way this gets over turned. Cowboys and Redskins filed a grievance to save face.

  96. mobdc202 says: Mar 25, 2012 4:56 PM

    Even if the league’s ruling is overturned, the redskins and cowboys have already been screwed for this offseason.

  97. steelpalace302 says: Mar 25, 2012 4:57 PM

    jwill444 I agree congres is going to end up sticking their nose in this one. This thing is far from over it is just getting started.

  98. zn0rseman says: Mar 25, 2012 4:58 PM

    Right message, wrong messenger.

    What they did WAS WRONG.

    It would be like getting into an office pool with 32 of your friends and then two of them lose and instead of paying out to the winner, they give everyone (including themselves) their money back without paying out to the winner, and pretending that it’s all ok because the strict rules of the law state that such gambling is illegal.

    Is the gambeling technically illegal? Yes.
    Is no paying out to the winner wrong? Yes.

    So yeah, it was totally wrong for Danny and Jerry to break the rules that the other 30 owners had agreed to and were following.

  99. stanklepoot says: Mar 25, 2012 4:59 PM

    Wrong message? That’s a matter for debate, which is what is happening now. Wrong messenger? Absolutely not. Set aside the conspiracy theories about the owner of a division rival. For one thing, it’s not like the Giants have needed any help beating either the Redskins or the Cowboys recently. If Mara wanted to gain an edge over any division rival, it’d be the Eagles…and they weren’t punished in any way. Besides, when the Cowboys are concerned, there are so many people that seriously dislike them (if not outright hate them) that you could probably make a similar statement about half of the owners. It’s simple really. Mara is the Chairman of the NFL Management Council Executive Committee. If any owner is going to speak out on this issue, then Mara is the one that should do it. If the other owners didn’t believe he could serve in this capacity without using the position to try to gain an undue advantage for his team, they never would have named him chairman.

    This isn’t about official rules. this is about the owners agreeing on something important amongst themselves, and Jones and Snyder breaking that agreement as soon as the other owners couldn’t legally hold them to it. Btw, the lack of legal authority at the time is the exact reason they came to that agreement to begin with. Should they have made this agreement to begin with? No. Was this a case of collusion? Of course it was. This, along with a number of other issues were brought up by myself and a number of other posters during the lockout, only to have people blindly loyal to the owners try to shout us down (figuratively speaking). Now, however, the same people that gave those like myself grief about accusing the owners of collusion are making the same argument. Kind of funny really.

    Having said that, the question is: does it matter any more? No. With a new CBA, the owners again have their anti-trust exemption. Furthermore, since the players actually filed an anti-trust lawsuit and settled it to finalize the CBA, any complaints the players had prior to the signing are settled. So, the players can’t file suit for what happened before, and the owners are exempt from any anti-trust suit that could arise from any current collusion. In other words, the other owners are now free to punish Jones and Snyder for agreeing to collude and then backing out of the deal because the players can no longer sue them for having made that deal to begin with. Nor can Jones and Snyder sue the other owners for collusion. They’re ownership, not labor, and as such have no standing to file such a complaint. In fact, that’s why they named the NFLPA in their grievance. They needed for it to be an owner-player dispute to get the arbitrator to hear the issue.

  100. mjkelly77 says: Mar 25, 2012 5:00 PM

    The league still hasn’t identified the rule(s) that the Redskins and Cowboys violated, hiding instead behind disingenuous notions of “competitive balance” and, most recently “the spirit of the salary cap,” whatever that is.
    ___________________

    You write a football blog and don’t know what the salary cap is??? It’s what holds the league together. It’s what keeps national interest in the NFL. From coast to coast and from large market to small. It fills the fans in Green Bay and Buffalo with as much hope for the upcoming season as those in New York and Chicago.

    Hey, the Cowboys and Redskins cheated their fellow team owners. Now they threaten to blow the whole thing up. I dont’ see the NFL and the other owners giving in. Cheaters need to be punished and that’s exactly what’s happening.

  101. canemh says: Mar 25, 2012 5:03 PM

    please jon mara did the cowboys and skins a favor by not letting them waste more money.

    it pains all of u that the big blue are defending super bowl champs. it hurts that all u can do is call eli stupid names while he wins super bowls and mvps

  102. steelpalace302 says: Mar 25, 2012 5:04 PM

    They named the NFLPA in the grievance because they agreed to the cap hits to get the cap # higher. Thats why they were named in it.

  103. njgmen says: Mar 25, 2012 5:09 PM

    It’s funny to hear the haters come out on the forum. First, they may have not violated any rules but they did something that 30 other teams weren’t scummy enough to do thus violating the integrity of the league. I can see why though. Both these teams need all the help they can get. Mara is one of the best owners in the NFL. He is one of the most successful and respected. His team has been one of the most succesful over the past decade usually uilding internally which is a sign of good manAgement and ownership. But he fails to overlook one thing. The redskins would hav no picks to lose cause they traded them all away! Haha

  104. bigblueapple says: Mar 25, 2012 5:13 PM

    In all honesty, I like the fans and most their comments on this site. But most of you in this case are being rather immature. Showing that if you were NFL owners, you would do the same… Which leads me to believe you would not make very good owners, much like Jerry and Dan don’t make good owners.

    They clearly are looking out for themselves rather than the shield.

    Yes, all these contracts got approved BUT I am sure while all the owners saw these contracts, they thought to themselves “what douche bags, the second there is a deal in place we are going to slap them out for acting like self centered children.”

    What they did is put the HARD WORK people like Mara put into BALANCING the game and making it FAIR for all in jeopardy. If a new agreement was not reached in timely fashion, the league would have gone back to the stone ages with negligent moves like the ones these 2 clowns made. The owners and league are allowed to expect common sense from their fellow owners CBA or not. There are billions of dollars on the line for everyone, and a game we all love.

    I cheer Mara and anyone else who encourages the quality of football to be high rather than trying to win at all costs just to feed their ego.

    BRAVO MARA! Keep fighting a good fight… the Duke would be proud!

  105. steelpalace302 says: Mar 25, 2012 5:13 PM

    And Giant fans call JJ and Dan idiots lol

  106. commonsensedude says: Mar 25, 2012 5:16 PM

    Mara’s lucky that the NFL doesn’t have a real commissioner. Tagliabue and Rozelle would have died laughing at the prospect of an owner having a significant role in determining the discipline that is imposed on the teams that make up a quarter of his team’s schedule.

  107. mjkelly77 says: Mar 25, 2012 5:18 PM

    dirtmcgirt24 says:Mar 25, 2012 4:25 PM

    messageboard2 says:
    Mar 25, 2012 3:38 PM

    Who died and made Mara the king of the owners?

    ——-

    His father, that’s who. And in doing so, he passed the torch of the biggest market in the league to his son. He also passed the spirit of revenue sharing, which has precluded big market teams like the Giants from strongarming networks into exclusive coverage deals, and has led to the monsterous television contracts that benefit the entire league’s owners and players alike. And, as part of that, the salary cap comes with it.

    If the Cowboys and Redskins want to reap the rewards of all of the revenue sharing (and other arguably monopolistic advantages), they should have maintained the spirit of the competitive balance that they owe all their success to. Rules or loopholes notwithstanding.

    If not, they should give back the revenue and go join a league where it’s every man for himself. That should be about as entertaining as baseball, let’s see how it goes.

    Go look at English soccer. It’s allegedly the biggest sport in the world. But many teams are in financial straits, and the other ones are irrelevant in their 30,000 seat stadiums.

    One last point: OF COURSE the league approved the contracts – because they were busy trying to hold labor costs down for the benefit of both teams in question, and any rejection would have hurt that cause.
    _______________

    I TOTALLY agree but as usual, when I tried to give you a “thumbs up”, the site won’t allow me to. It seems that if you disagree with the article, you’re precluded from approving the commentary that disagrees with it.

  108. nzyme says: Mar 25, 2012 5:20 PM

    The league warned them A YEAR IN ADVANCE!! So the Cowboys and the Redskins did it ANYWAY and now they’re CRYING??? Give me a damn break!!

  109. Maximus Decimus Meridius says: Mar 25, 2012 5:21 PM

    Jones and Snyder are going to make Mara, Goodell, and the rest of the Executive committee look like fools…..this is going to be great

  110. steelpalace302 says: Mar 25, 2012 5:22 PM

    Are you trying to say the NFL gets more revenue from the Giants than the Cowboys and Skins ? lol You better go look at the numbers pal. The Giants should be kissing the butts of the Cowboys and Skins for the money they get from them.

  111. steelpalace302 says: Mar 25, 2012 5:24 PM

    the Cowboys and Jones would be alot richer if they didnt have to share the wealth they have. They double the revenue of the Giants easy.

  112. bigblueapple says: Mar 25, 2012 5:24 PM

    Any responsable owner with common sense should not take advantage of the league just because there is no rule against it. If I told you that that there is no law against robbing your neighbor for a day… do you think it would be ok to rob your neighbor?

    It wouldn’t be ok in my opinion. It would be a crummy thing to do, officially against the law or not. And maybe the law wouldn’t be able to sentence you because there was no law in place… but perhaps all your neighbors would get together and lynch you… and you would deserve it, and so do Dan and Jerry. For being ignorant, and acting like they don’t know the difference between right and wrong. JUSTICE.

  113. timbuttrum says: Mar 25, 2012 5:25 PM

    I love all of the “cheating” and “breaking the rules” comments. To cheat or to break a rule, a rule has to exist. And who says Snyder/Jones even broke an agreement made between owners? I have not read a single article that mentioned Jones/Snyder agreed to not overspend with the owner and then did it anyway. Everyone is ASSUMING that is what they did. John Mara made himself look foolish with his comments. And no, he isn’t the “king of NFL owners”. In fact, I don’t think that a man who has recently inherited a team should have the position he has. A more seasoned veteran owner like Kraft should have that position.

  114. cowboyhater says: Mar 25, 2012 5:26 PM

    This owner is disgusting. Most teams tried to undercut the system by NOT spending money, but you have two owners that did just the opposite. There is no difference in what these owners did. As most can agree, Mara has no money to spend in FA, which caused him to cry about his 2 foes in nfc east, hence competitive balance. Are you kidding me! You just won the friggin superbowl you moron. Shut up!

  115. eyeh8goodell says: Mar 25, 2012 5:26 PM

    “Frankly, it’s not the right message — and it’s not the right messenger.”

    ——————————-

    That’s certainly not for a lowly blogger to decide. Are you on the Council? Thought not. You should probably keep your trap shut. When the NFL wants your input, they’ll ask. And I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting by the phone for that phone call if I were you.

    And Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder trying to take advantage of a loophole?! Noooooooooooooooooo. LOL.

  116. bluefan204 says: Mar 25, 2012 5:26 PM

    Even I, as a Giants fan, find that what the NFL did to Dallas and Washington was extremely shady and uncalled for. Mara has no business elaborating on any of it, and he made himself look rather foolish in this particular case.

    However, calling the Giants “cheaters”, and Mara “classless”, is nothing but pure stupid vitriol, and it positively reeks of the envy and bitterness that the fans of the other 31 teams must still be feeling since February 5, 2012. Just stop already, ladies. Life is too short to dwell on something that can’t be changed, or something that your teams can’t accomplish.

  117. jackm79 says: Mar 25, 2012 5:33 PM

    FYI, you fools, the Maras have ALWAYS been the head of the owners. Why do you think it says “The Duke” on the NFL ball. Wellington Mara. So all you idiots who have no clue about the history of the NFL, keep bashing the owner of The Champs. The Giants not only run NY, they run the NFL. Get use to it, it’s been that way since 1925 and will never change. EVER. Classiest ownership in the League, hands down.

  118. queensnyvegas says: Mar 25, 2012 5:38 PM

    go mara

  119. bluntsmokinskinsfan says: Mar 25, 2012 5:38 PM

    Of course a division rival thinks we should lose draft picks.

  120. yankydave says: Mar 25, 2012 5:41 PM

    There is so much ignorance here over what happened. The simple fact is the league colluded to keep the salaries down by telling the teams not to violate the non-existent cap. The Redskins and Cowboys (and other teams to a lesser extent) used the uncapped year to shift some money. They didn’t really spend more.
    The fact that the turd who is deciding the penalty is an owner in their own division is far more unscrupulous than anything the Snyder and Jones did.

  121. texaswriter2011 says: Mar 25, 2012 5:51 PM

    Dallas and Washington have said that the League “approved” every transaction. If that is true, how can the League now say the transactions are now violations?
    ESPN needs to issue a BS Storm Warning!

  122. stanklepoot says: Mar 25, 2012 5:53 PM

    steelpalace302 says: Mar 25, 2012 5:13 PM

    And Giant fans call JJ and Dan idiots lol
    ___________________________
    Not just Giants fans. Eagles fans do too. Let’s face it, of all of the Eagles’ rivals, the Giants ownership is clearly the most respected and capable.

  123. worldchampsbaby says: Mar 25, 2012 5:56 PM

    Very interesting that the above commentators talk of Mara’s self-interests.They must be very young indeed.Not old enough to know a little NFL history.If not for the Mara’s(Wellington in particular)we would not have the equally divided TV revenues,which is the basis of all NFL teams operating on an equal footing.TV revenues were to be split based on market size.Mara saw fit to forego his own financial windfall for the beefit of the leagues survival by DEMANDING revenues be divided equally among both small and big markets.John Mara is a chip off the old man’s block and continues to work for betterment of the league as a whole.

  124. steelpalace302 says: Mar 25, 2012 6:05 PM

    I hate the steelers but if anyone should be the head of the executive commitee it should be Rooney. Mara doesnt even own his team he only owns 50%.

  125. cliffordc05 says: Mar 25, 2012 6:06 PM

    The NFL conspired to keep salaries down during the uncapped year. Except Jones and Snyder, who apparently agreed with the other owners to illegally keep salaries depressed, did not honor their agreement. Was it a verbal agreement made in contravention to federal anti-trust laws? Yes. Is it written down? No. Did the league approve individual contracts? Of course they did or they would have been immediately sued by the NFLPA.

    The fact is that Jones and Snyder agreed to violate federal law in a conspiracy with the other owners but did not keep their word. Perhaps they broke the agreement knowing that it would be difficult for the league to enforce an illegal agreement.

    It does not change the fact that they were willing to agree to break the law but are such a couple of d-bags that the opportunity to take advantage of the situation was worth more than their word. It is amusing that they are so inept that they took advantage of a situation and both franchises still stink.

  126. joerevs300 says: Mar 25, 2012 6:10 PM

    I guess the NFL wasn’t happy with how close they came to blowing up the season with the lockout.

    Those who don’t learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them…

  127. tonyromoisterrible says: Mar 25, 2012 6:15 PM

    This Mara is a joke of an owner. I guess he has a bit of rooney jr in him. Been there for half of a minute and thinks he has the right to speak on everything and add his one cent. Hey Mara, shut up and be happy you have what you have. I hope the g-men suck for years to come.

  128. damianx31 says: Mar 25, 2012 6:20 PM

    I still find it funny that the 2 teams punished most severely are in the same division as the Giants. But, since the Bears aren’t in their division, they get to skate by unscathed after handing Peppers a $20M base salary in the uncapped season and then a base salary of $900K the next. I can’t wait to see Mara get punked.

    At first they say it was because the Cowboys gave Austin a $17M base salary that year, and then when people can see that other teams (that weren’t punished) did the same with their players, they change their tune to “competitive balance and spirit of the salary cap”. Tools.

  129. vilelabyrinth says: Mar 25, 2012 6:22 PM

    how could they violate the salary cap that did not exist? I’m confused

  130. captaintriumph says: Mar 25, 2012 6:25 PM

    There was never supposed to be an uncapped year. It happened because of a mess that eventually got cleaned up. But it was there. So instead of playing by the spirit of the rules, the message is you should cheat, stab everyone in the back, and gain an unfair advantage for your team. Wonderful. I, on the other hand, agree with Mara. The Redskins and Cowboys are extremely lucky to not lose draft picks. In fact, if they continue to try to use the courts to gain this unfair advantage, I would punish them more!

  131. thetruth845 says: Mar 25, 2012 6:27 PM

    The NFL conspired to keep salaries down during the uncapped year. Except Jones and Snyder, who apparently agreed with the other owners to illegally keep salaries depressed, did not honor their agreement.

    ——————————————————————————————————————————

    The Redskins and Cowboys didn’t pay anything extra to anyone. All they did was structure some contracts to help with the cap in later years. They took the same money that was to be paid out over time and dumped it into the uncapped year.

  132. captaintriumph says: Mar 25, 2012 6:29 PM

    One more thing. It’s really is sickening to listen to all the Redskins and Cowboys fans. Whatever happened to integrity? Well, I guess it’s the 2000′s – lie, cheat, take advantage of any loophole to gain an advantage, even if it means stabbing your neighbor in the back. As long as it’s ‘technically’ not illegal, I guess that means anything goes. Football is no longer a game I guess.

  133. mullman7675 says: Mar 25, 2012 6:33 PM

    Shady business, to be sure.

  134. dietrich43 says: Mar 25, 2012 6:34 PM

    Having the Cryboys and Deadskins overspend is bad for competitive balance, but having the Bungles not come close to the floor is ok?

  135. captaintriumph says: Mar 25, 2012 6:36 PM

    I don’t want to hear the word “collusion” anymore! That’s a bogus argument. The uncapped year was not supposed to happen. It’s not collusion to tell teams to abide by the spirit of the rules. This is still the NFL, a game, with rules. Redskins and Cowboys fans are twisting the meaning of the word “collusion”…actually twisting everything to make cheating a good thing and integrity a bad thing. Messed up!

  136. cliffordc05 says: Mar 25, 2012 6:38 PM

    Good point about the Giants. They really suck.

  137. golions1 says: Mar 25, 2012 6:39 PM

    This talk of the Cowboys and Skins suing the league is stupid. It ain’t gonna happen. Besides that, fromn a legal standpoint the case is borderline frivolous. The owners are in the league voluntarily, and voluntarily gave the commissioner the power to do what he needs to. The league can also change the rules whenever it wants. I suppose the Cowboys and Skins could exit the league–yeah right –but other than that, shut up Jerra and Dan.

  138. JaminJake says: Mar 25, 2012 6:52 PM

    So it’s wrong for the two richest teams to do something that is legal and take advantage of a supposed “loophole,” but when the masses say it’s not fair for the rich ones to do that it’s called Socialism or Communism. All those other teams could have ponied up cash during those years but they chose not to.

  139. djstat says: Mar 25, 2012 6:52 PM

    I hate Snyder and Jones. Too bad they didn’t lose their draft picks and cap space.

  140. hellawaitsusall says: Mar 25, 2012 6:53 PM

    Funny reading the comments here. Mara is one of the few owners who has the right to speak up on it. If it wasn’t for the likes of the Rooney’s and Mara’s there wouldn’t be an NFL

  141. londonbengal says: Mar 25, 2012 7:04 PM

    Yeah; I understand Mike Brown of the Bengals thought long and hard about blowing the doors off the uncapped year and spending double what he normally does on the team, but decided not to in honour of the ‘spirit’ of the salary cap……

  142. rednats7 says: Mar 25, 2012 7:06 PM

    Boom goes the dynamite!!!!!

  143. bigbluewreckincrew says: Mar 25, 2012 7:07 PM

    Imagine if the Deadskins used the draft to build their team instead of little Danny boy trying to buy a fantasy team each year? Of course he’d look for a loophole to free up dead cap space. Owner/GM/Ass’t Head Coach and salary capologist Jerry Jones also took advantage of the loophole – lets call it for what it is haters. Don’t cry because Mara and the Giants don’t need loopholes and shady practices to field championship teams – wait, let me say that again because it sounds good – CHAMPIONSHIP TEAMS. Wow thats awesome so all of you are free to thumb this down.

  144. jsrdc says: Mar 25, 2012 7:07 PM

    @ captaintriumph,

    “Whatever happened to integrity? Well, I guess it’s the 2000′s – lie, cheat, take advantage of any loophole to gain an advantage, even if it means stabbing your neighbor in the back.”

    You want to look at cheating, see the New Orleans saints bounty system.

    First of all, ANY team could have taken advantage of the uncapped year. It is called uncapped for a reason. Lie, cheat? That would be when you are breaking rules, and in this instance it doesn’t apply if you are the Cowboys or Redskins. Where it DOES apply is to DeMaurice Smith and the Commissioner allowing this to happen (politically it had everything to do with Smith keeping his job and getting re-elected by the NFLPA for another 3 years, so he felt he HAD to do this to save his own arrss). Goodell obviously agreed. Both created this “punishment” for no rules broken, and retroactively enforced a luxury tax, which doesn’t exist in the NFL. THe NFL has already agreed neither team broke any rules. How can you suddenly enforce a luxury tax that doesn’t exist that penalizes two teams that broke no rules?

    ANY team could have done the same and wouldn’t have broken rules. Cap $ was taken from two teams the day before FA began, and it is the league and the 28 other teams that are the victim?

    Wow. What a wonderful fantasy world you live in. I hope you enjoy the rainbow unicorns, Ken Doll and his corvette. Have fun at the Barbie Mansion.

  145. londonbengal says: Mar 25, 2012 7:11 PM

    Hit Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder where it really hurts; in the television.

    Ban these teams from prime time TV for a couple of years; that should cool ‘em down a little…….

  146. truthassassin says: Mar 25, 2012 7:12 PM

    What is the deal with ProFootballTalk only acknowledging a “thumbs up” or “thumbs down” sometimes? Then, every other time it refuses to accept your choice… They should write an article explaining that… PLEASE!

  147. jsrdc says: Mar 25, 2012 7:13 PM

    agolions1,

    “The league can also change the rules whenever it wants. I suppose the Cowboys and Skins could exit the league–yeah right –but other than that, shut up Jerra and Dan.”

    Nothing can be further from the truth. The league CANNOT just change the rules whenever it can. The league agreed to the CBA with the NFLPA, and it also approved ALL CONTRACTS that the Skins and Cowboys had that year. You can’t just undo that. What the league has done is create out of thin air a penalty when no rules were broken. The league isn’t changing the rules, the league is IGNORING the rules, and creating a punishment for breaking no written rules.

    When you understand as a fan of football that the Cowboys and Redskins broke ZERO rules, then you understand the situation (regardless of your hate for either team, which is fueling a lot of your statements about them cheating or lying, which neither is accurate. This is easy platform for hate talk for most of you who agree with the punishment by the NFLPA and the League.

  148. jg725 says: Mar 25, 2012 7:14 PM

    evomike06 says:Mar 25, 2012 3:41 PM

    Just the cheating giants trying to gain competitive advantage in the East because they know dallas is on the rise and with the Skins bringing in RGIII and new receivers will be dominating the division in the next few years. Crazy how one of the guys putting out the fine is a owner of the Giants.

    Wow….. I can’t believe all the haters of the giants and their owner – not only has the mara family – along with the rooney family in pittsburgh been 2 of the oldest family-run franchises in the nfl – but also probably the 2 most well-respected franchises and owners …… i don’t get where all of the hate and anger comes from – oh – that’s right – i forgot….. too many super bowl trophies.
    And i also think we will be waiting a loooong time for the skins or cowboys to “dominate the division for years”……. that’s actually REALLY funny – all of the losing and jealousy really makes for some pretty stupid comments from people.

  149. bigbluefan1 says: Mar 25, 2012 7:22 PM

    I do love all the hate
    Mara and NFL go hand in hand

    The good news for the Cowscum and the deadskins is you can get a sniff of the SB trophy when you come visit and get your butts handed to you.

    RG3 why not ask Tom Brady and Erin Rodgers what it is like to play againest the Giants D

    Also ask your old QB what it was like to end his playing days againest the Giants

    RG3 may be RG4 when the Giants D is finished with him

  150. jackm79 says: Mar 25, 2012 7:23 PM

    Best part of the whole thing is neither the skins or the girls made the playoffs that year. Chumps.

  151. duncanthecat says: Mar 25, 2012 7:24 PM

    Mara will hav due due in his pants by the time the dust clears.

    If only Al Davis were around, he would be liking his chops to be in the Cowboy and Redskin’s shoes.

    Let the games begin.

    As for the Giants talking smack they have now backed into two championships. They simply aren’t capable of dominating from the get go.

  152. thebigwhit says: Mar 25, 2012 7:29 PM

    Most are missing the point that is as glaring as J.J.’s plastic surgery…… The league technically had to approve the contracts given and the dumping of the bad contracts by both teams. No CBA = no salary floor or ceiling. This would be called “following the letter of the law” (or salary cap). The “spirit of the law” (or salary cap) would have been to adhere to the rules of competitive balance (i.e. not spending 30 to 40 million more than what the salary cap was before and projected to be after the new CBA or dumping contracts that would have counted against the cap. Goddell, like him or not, warned all 32 teams not to over-spend or dump contracts. At issue is the fact that both teams DID take advantage of a loophole that allowed them to pay players salaries and bonuses to players (Haynesworth, Miles) that in any other year could not have happened with out cap complications or cap casualties and allowed them to come into this year many millions under the cap.

    Like it or not, this is the right move. Snider and Jones are the ones to blame for it not paying off before having to pay the piper.

  153. ham1 says: Mar 25, 2012 7:35 PM

    eyeh8goodell says:
    Mar 25, 2012 5:26 PM
    “Frankly, it’s not the right message — and it’s not the right messenger.”

    ——————————-

    That’s certainly not for a lowly blogger to decide. Are you on the Council? Thought not. You should probably keep your trap shut. When the NFL wants your input, they’ll ask. And I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting by the phone for that phone call if I were you.

    And Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder trying to take advantage of a loophole?! Noooooooooooooooooo. LOL.
    ———————————————————-

    Such tough cyber talk. Chill out its just a point of view on a blog tough guy.

  154. zaggs says: Mar 25, 2012 7:41 PM

    “The last CBA created an uncapped year in 2010. The last CBA imposed specific limits on the uncapped year.”

    Does the CBA govern how much Goodell is paid? How many owners need to vote for a new team to come into existence? Exactly. The CBA is not law for everything in the NFL. Only in regards to players. When it only involves teams or the front offices the CBA means absolutely dick.

  155. totallydisgusted says: Mar 25, 2012 8:09 PM

    Mars can go to hell. Better yet, let him stand before Congress and explain why the skins and boys should lose picks.

  156. rickc402 says: Mar 25, 2012 8:12 PM

    Al Davis would be on this like white on rice, too bad the ol’ man isn’t still with us to educate Jr. on how things work. I feel bad for Giants fans, when Jack Kent Cooke passed on Jr. was a numbskull, and it looks like life after Wellington Mara may be just as bad….hope he don’t sell the team to a dot.com’er.

  157. lakermetskins says: Mar 25, 2012 8:16 PM

    Mara;”They attempted to take advantage of a one-year loophole, and quite frankly, I think they’re lucky they didn’t lose draft picks. . . . ”
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    Mara’s right, he used the word “Loophole”. There are tax loopholes, legal loopholes, business loopholes, and many other types of loopholes. Exploiting these loopholes almost never is illegal, and therefor not punishable.
    Rich people use tax loopholes, criminal defense lawyers use legal loopholes all the time and can’t be punished for exploiting them. If you don’t want someone to exploit a loophole, close it.

    Washington, Dallas, and a bunch of teams who underspent only did what was legal.

    I remember in the NBA the Cleveland Cavaliers had a gentlemen’s agreement on a contract with Carlos Boozer. Boozer signed with the Jazz. “The Spirit of the Salary Cap” or “gentleman’s agreement” has no ground legally.

  158. jagerbmb says: Mar 25, 2012 8:29 PM

    I would be really interested in seeing exactly who all the members of the NFL Management Council Executive Committe are… Since this action came from this committee it is only right that we know exactly who made this decision.

  159. baddegg says: Mar 25, 2012 8:32 PM

    Regardless of the outcome of this situation, the Redskins and Cowboys have already been irreparably harmed. They have missed out on Free Agents they would have been able to pursue.

    If the punishment is struck down, the Giants should lose draft picks to “maintain competitive balance.”

    Fair, right?

  160. bigdicebuddha says: Mar 25, 2012 8:33 PM

    I really can’t believe that any NFL fan would defend these two jerks. Snyder and Jones are the worst. They’ve been manipulating the system for years. They took advantage of the situation to give themselves a competitive advantage (which they would blow anyways, make no mistake about it), and it sickens me that any fan of the NFL would support these guys. They suck. No matter what happens here, even if they get their cap money back, Karma will pay a visit. Book it.

  161. lakermetskins says: Mar 25, 2012 8:43 PM

    I’m a skins fan, and noone complains about our boneheaded owner more than us. I don’t think an owner is more hated by his own fans more than Dannyboy. But he shouldn’t be punished.

    What he and Jerry did was stab the other owners in the back by exploiting the uncapped year. I’m quite sure both of these guys have used loopholes to get rich in other lines of business as well. The owners probably hate and resent these guys for using “shady” tactics and they would love to see both punish for their dirty deeds. SHADY TACTICS AND DIRTY DEEDS does not mean illegal. DannyBoy and Jerry did nothing illegal. In fact, if 20 or 30 teams exploited the uncapped rule the same way, this would be a mute topic. The fact that these 2 rich guys COULD freely spend their money probably adds to the animosity.

  162. jwreck says: Mar 25, 2012 8:52 PM

    I do love all the hate
    Mara and NFL go hand in hand

    The good news for the Cowscum and the deadskins is you can get a sniff of the SB trophy when you come visit and get your butts handed to you.

    RG3 why not ask Tom Brady and Erin Rodgers what it is like to play againest the Giants D

    Also ask your old QB what it was like to end his playing days againest the Giants

    RG3 may be RG4 when the Giants D is finished with him
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    This has nothing to do with the Giants, it has to do with the administration of the NFL. Besides talk is talk. Why don’t you ask Eli what it’s like to play against (or should I say againest?)Washington’s Defense?
    Facts are facts. Washington swept New York this year, the DC’s defense totaling eight sacks in two games, New York’s totaling five. Look it up.

  163. markwmeier says: Mar 25, 2012 8:57 PM

    Hahaha, as if your case wasn’t bogus enough. You had to open your mouth didn’t you Mara? Even if you did this in the ”spirit of competition” and thats the largest IF possible, then you should’ve still shout your mouth knowing that it’d look fishy.

    Whats the new thing about disclaiming collusion? I mean seriously, are you stupid?

    There are 2 parties, owners and players. They cant reach an agreement to a new CBA so we get an uncapped year. Now the owners make and UNWRITTEN rule not to overspend in uncapped year (fyi unwritten usually means borderline criminal – otherwise why wasn’t it just documented?) Now which party do you think is hurt by an agreement not to spend? thats right the players, and what do you think NFLPA would do if owner publicly said they agreed not to spend money? They’d be pretty pissed wouldnt they?

    The only reason why NFLPA isn’t supporting this is because DeMaurice Smith was too concerned about his own job security.

    Now please, spend your Cowboy/redskin hate to when we shoot our self in the foot in a game or so, cause right now you are supporting corruption and legal activity. Don’t.

  164. bc01red says: Mar 25, 2012 8:59 PM

    Thanks for a picture of him behind a Jets logo. Do a poll on how many Jets fans think he is their owner judging by the picture.

  165. kinggw says: Mar 25, 2012 9:03 PM

    @bigdicebuddha,

    People are defending these jerks, because the biggest jerk, Goodell is trying to make rules on the fly and you cannot do that. It sickens me that people like you dont fully understand the situation, probably dont even know what collusion means and yet you still come here and wax poetic like you know what you’re talking about.

  166. skinsdiehard says: Mar 25, 2012 10:23 PM

    Whether the Snyder or Jones are jerks or not is irrelevant. The question is did they break the rules of the CBA. NO, THEY DID NOT!! Did they comply with the other 30 owners in collusion to self-impose a salary cap? NO, THEY DID NOT!! Do they deserve justice? YES, THEY DO. F- the NFL.

  167. axespray says: Mar 26, 2012 12:04 AM

    yeahhhh! How dare the league take a stand against MLB yankee like unfair rich guys taking advantage of an uncapped year, how dare they stand up for competitive balance that makes this america’s most popular sport!

  168. skinsgame says: Mar 26, 2012 12:30 AM

    This guy inherited his portion of the ownership. No way anybody so completely stupid could strike out and make a mint on his own. He just absolutely handed the Skins their cap $ back. It’s all a formality now.

  169. steelpalace302 says: Mar 26, 2012 1:22 AM

    What we know about this case is that the NFL basically engaged in a sanctioned form of collusion in 2010, telling its teams that yeah, there was no cap, but that they needed to act as though there were one because they were sure the cap would come back and it was wrong to use this “loophole” as a means of gaining an advantage against the cap in future years. Mara admitted all of that Sunday, and he did so in a way that strongly indicates he believes himself to be on the correct side of the argument.

    But he is not, of course. And in more ways than one, he is very much in the wrong.

    Mara is wrong because the only thing of which the Redskins and Cowboys are guilty is failing to honor a shady gentleman’s agreement between 32 billionaires who don’t want to pay their employees any more than they have to. What the NFL, Mara and the other owners did, effectively imposing a salary cap when none had been agreed to by the other party (i.e., the players) in their collective bargaining agreement, was patently wrong. To punish the teams that didn’t go along with the wrong, and to so strenuously defend the punishment as though it were right, is the height of arrogance.

    Mara is wrong because, by effectively admitting collusion, he’s giving the NFLPA ammunition for a new fight the league does not want. The union had to drop all pending litigation against the league as part of the Brady settlement last year when the lockout ended. That included the collusion charges they filed against the league for the suspicions they had about this kind of 2010 activity. Mara’s admission could well qualify as new evidence that could allow the union to file new charges. And because the NFLPA is named in the Redskins’ and Cowboys’ complaint, it has the option of obtaining discovery on collusion should it wish to pursue action against the league. The union is upset that the league backed it into a corner here, effectively forcing it to agree to the penalties against the Cowboys and Redskins under the threat of a reduction in this year’s salary cap, and would love an opening from which to attack on this.

    Mara is wrong because he’s the chairman of the NFL Management Council, which is the group that imposed these penalties, and he’s the owner of a team that plays the Cowboys and Redskins twice each year and competes with them for the same division title. That’s not to say Mara did this on purpose to get one over on two division rivals. But one of the first things we’re taught in any journalism class is to avoid even the appearance of impropriety — to steer clear of any activity that could ever allow anyone to accuse us of engaging in a

  170. steelpalace302 says: Mar 26, 2012 1:25 AM

    Thats from a reporter at the NFL meetings in Palm Beach

  171. wickdawg7 says: Mar 26, 2012 3:03 AM

    First, just look at the support even from redskins and cowboys haters… It overwhelming that everyone agrees this is wrong.

    I hunk Mara really made his bed with this comment. HE ADMITTED THAT THEY BROKE NO ACTUAL RULES! He said they violated “the spirit of the salary cap”.

    Let’s take the first part of that statement; THERE WAS NO SALARY CAP YOU MORON! And show me in the rules the part that lays out punishment for “violating spirit”! Much less violating thevspirit of something thwt doesn’t exist. Hahaha!!! How stupid does that sound?

    Being that Mara stood to gain an obvious competitive advantage by punishing those two teams specifically for breaking no rules, even by his own admission, I think, quite frankly, he’ll be lucky if if his team doesn’t lose draft picks.

    That would be sweet justice for his obvious attempt at screwing over division rivals, clear collusion and mob-style back room deals.

  172. xx4zu1 says: Mar 26, 2012 3:23 AM

    Reap the rewards of revenue sharing???? The Cowboys and Redskins share the top of the pile in revenue in the league WTH are you talking about? Seems like the only people who disagree with Mike are homers for the Eagles and Giants. Don’t you morons understand what is going on here? The rest of the league cheated except for the 4 teams that were penalized. The didn’t break a league rule they violated federal labor laws. Wake up and realize what the hell is going on here.

  173. kev86 says: Mar 26, 2012 10:19 AM

    Football royalty has spoken.

    Cowboys and Skins are slim.

    GO BLUE!

  174. kev86 says: Mar 26, 2012 10:24 AM

    Whose your owner?

    Dont hate ours because he is near the top in rank and respect.

    He’s allowed to speak and usually makes good sense. His beloved father Wellington didnt care for Jerry Jones for good reason(s).

    FOOTBALL ROYALTY – NYG! WORLD CHAMPS (again)

  175. jwreck says: Mar 27, 2012 4:39 PM

    bigbluefan1 says: Mar 25, 2012 7:22 PM

    RG3 may be RG4 when the Giants D is finished with him
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    What is that even supposed to mean? Because it sounds like you’re going to upgrade him and make him better. I’m no Apple nerd, but I’m pretty sure an Iphone 4 is better than an Iphone 3.

    So if that’s your plan, thanks a lot, that’s a really decent thing to do.

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