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Rooney Rule has limited application to Saints’ 2012 hire

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Several of you have asked whether the Saints will be required to comply with the Rooney Rule in replacing coach Sean Payton for the 2012 season.

The answer is:  Maybe.

Per a source with knowledge of the procedures, the Saints won’t be required to comply with the Rooney Rule if they stay within the organization to find a replacement for Payton.  If, alternatively, the Saints make an outside hire for 2012, the Saints will be required to interview in person at least one minority candidate.

For now, it appears that the Saints will stay in-house, elevating offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael Jr., offensive line coach Aaron Kromer, or defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo (pictured).

Payton’s one-season suspension becomes effective April 1.

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28 Responses to “Rooney Rule has limited application to Saints’ 2012 hire”
  1. mataug says: Mar 25, 2012 5:22 PM

    Hey Mike, how does a suspension limit Payton ? e.g. is he allowed to be on the Saints sideline as a guest on gameday ? is he allowed access to their facility during a week ?

  2. yojoemama says: Mar 25, 2012 5:23 PM

    Now I know why Spagnola decided to join the Saints.

  3. tomsd1 says: Mar 25, 2012 5:24 PM

    I hardly think the Commish wants to try to be too big of gunslinger and after issuing what I consider to be a very harsh punishment – further tweak the Saints (risking a lawsuitz) – by invoking more of these idiotic rules the NFL has instituted.

  4. jenniferxxx says: Mar 25, 2012 5:27 PM

    There are few things in the NFL more exasperating than that stupid Rooney rule.

  5. jackntorres says: Mar 25, 2012 5:30 PM

    Hey Mike, how does a suspension limit Payton ? e.g. is he allowed to be on the Saints sideline as a guest on gameday ? is he allowed access to their facility during a week ?
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    You were never suspended from school as a kid were you? Dense, you are.

  6. Justin says: Mar 25, 2012 5:32 PM

    @mataug

    I would assume this suspension would work the same to when a player is served a suspension. In that scenario they cannot have access to the facility. My guess is it is something similar.

  7. wickerphil says: Mar 25, 2012 5:33 PM

    The Rooney rule was once necessary, but is no longer needed, as nonwhite candidates have had no trouble finding work ever since Tony Dungy and Mike Tomlin won Super Bowls. It should be ended.

    We should consider some sort of Rooney rule for white RBs, WRs and DBs. Whites played very well in those positions in the past, as recently as the 1990s with guys like Dwight Clark, Jason Sehorn and John Riggins. Just as blacks have always been able to be successful football coaches, is no reason why whites all of a sudden can’t play those positions now if they were Hall of Famers at those spots in the past.

    This has to go down to the college level too. There are virtually no white football players in the SEC, but there are plenty in the ACC, Big East, Pac-12, Big 10 and Big 12. Lots of excellent white athletes are getting discriminated against in football in the SEC. And don’t even get me started about basketball: there are still Larry Birds and John Stocktons, Jerry Wests etc. out there, and we shouldn’t have to go to Europe to get them.

  8. twodat says: Mar 25, 2012 5:42 PM

    I am sure this is a concern for many

  9. raenray2 says: Mar 25, 2012 5:45 PM

    Payton is not allowed to be involved with anything having to do with the Saints organization or the NFL for the whole season till April 1st ,2013. They are talking about fox networking hiring him but since its not owned by the NFL and the NFL has no control over networks hiring people that is the only thing Payton can do. I’d just sit at home and take vacas with all the millions he has made already!

  10. bleedgreen says: Mar 25, 2012 5:50 PM

    Can’t he still formulate game plans and hand them to coaches off Saints property? Can Benson pay Payton to mow his lawn for $8million?

  11. tfbuckfutter says: Mar 25, 2012 5:54 PM

    wickerphil says: Mar 25, 2012 5:33 PM

    The Rooney rule was once necessary, but is no longer needed, as nonwhite candidates have had no trouble finding work ever since Tony Dungy and Mike Tomlin won Super Bowls. It should be ended.

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    That’d be a good point if Miami hadn’t hired Cam Cameron over Mike Tomlin.

    “We should consider some sort of Rooney rule for white RBs, WRs and DBs. ”

    Aaaannd now comes the racist rhetoric….

    All players have equal opportunity to showcase their skills, white, black or purple….it’s called the Combine….and it’s called College Scouting.

  12. kd75 says: Mar 25, 2012 5:58 PM

    Rooney Rule shouldn’t apply in this case. Saints aren’t hiring a new head coach.

    They are looking for an interim head coach to cover for the guy who’s on a forced one season sabatical.

  13. tfbuckfutter says: Mar 25, 2012 6:09 PM

    I will say there should be an exception to the Rooney Rule if there is a head coach available with more than say 100 career wins, or a high level coach from one of the Conference champions.

    Other than that, if you’re just sorting through the dreck I don’t have a problem with requiring it.

    It’s obviously working.

  14. backindasaddle says: Mar 25, 2012 6:33 PM

    Race-based rules/policies/laws are by definition racially discriminatory and as such are racist policies in their very essence. Any and all race-based rules/policies/laws should be eliminated if we are ever to actually achieve a non-discriminatory society.

  15. matthewcarlson1 says: Mar 25, 2012 6:45 PM

    Payton isn’t allowed any contact all year… so no he’s not allowed to be on the sidelines or at practice. What would be the point of a suspension if he still got to do everything? You really think they would let Payton stand on the sidelines and trust him not to try and coach? Get real! he already proved he’s a cheater and I won’t be surprised if we find out next year that he’s been coaching the team from home all year.

  16. babyhorsemorgan says: Mar 25, 2012 6:46 PM

    Since it’s New Orleans, there is some confusion exactly what a “minority” candidate consists of.

  17. mymogsim2003 says: Mar 25, 2012 7:00 PM

    wickerphil says: Mar 25, 2012 5:33 PM

    The Rooney rule was once necessary, but is no longer needed, as nonwhite candidates have had no trouble finding work ever since Tony Dungy and Mike Tomlin won Super Bowls. It should be ended.

    We should consider some sort of Rooney rule for white RBs, WRs and DBs. Whites played very well in those positions in the past, as recently as the 1990s with guys like Dwight Clark, Jason Sehorn and John Riggins. Just as blacks have always been able to be successful football coaches, is no reason why whites all of a sudden can’t play those positions now if they were Hall of Famers at those spots in the past.

    This has to go down to the college level too. There are virtually no white football players in the SEC, but there are plenty in the ACC, Big East, Pac-12, Big 10 and Big 12. Lots of excellent white athletes are getting discriminated against in football in the SEC. And don’t even get me started about basketball: there are still Larry Birds and John Stocktons, Jerry Wests etc. out there, and we shouldn’t have to go to Europe to get them.
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    Lol. In seriousness good try. The Rooney Rule exsist because racasim still does. No matter what you might see or believe. Obama president and he is getting blamed for trying to fix the white guys problem.

    Now as for your postions and nfl/nba rant. It’s called scouting and they start in middle school. Not saying it doesn’t that kind of assesment doesn’t happen I believe it does. But the you have to also look at how elite pocket passing qb’s are all white. Black qb’s are classified as athletic qb’s. Not elite and not pocket passing qb’s. You also have to take in account the most white school’s private or public have more than just basketball and football. So some kid that would of played football is playing lacrosse or hockey instead. Young black kids think that sports is the only way out and in some cases it’s true so they spend their time idolizing there favorite player’s every move and prefect it. European nba players know how to do more than shoot and they are more fundamentally sound then american’s black or white.

  18. charger383 says: Mar 25, 2012 7:11 PM

    They should repeal the rooney rule

  19. ubummer says: Mar 25, 2012 7:11 PM

    The basis for the Rooney Rule is supposedely to address the disparity between the racial makeup of the players in the NFL compared to the coaches in the NFL. It presupposes that the disparity is due to racism.

    At the same time, it ignores the disparity between the racial makeup of the players in the NFL compared to the general population, and presupposes that the disparity is NOT due to racism.

    As long as institutionalized hypocrisy and racism such as the Rooney Rule exist and are tolerated, racism will never die in this country.

  20. jg725 says: Mar 25, 2012 7:21 PM

    Are teams forced by league rules to intrerview a white coach before making a hire – or is this an equality by inequality thing? just wondering……

  21. 3kdad says: Mar 25, 2012 7:25 PM

    I believe I read that the suspension runs through the day after the Super Bowl. He’s suspended for the season not a calendar year.

  22. AlanSaysYo says: Mar 25, 2012 7:31 PM

    The Saints should hire Bobby Petrino to be interim HC. There wouldn’t be any controversy about whose team it was, because Petrino is guaranteed to be outta there by the end of the season.

  23. babyhorsemorgan says: Mar 25, 2012 7:37 PM

    Sean informed that his suspension begins April 1, 2012, and runs to April 1, 2013. At which time the NFL will shout “April Fools, ha ha ha!”.

  24. superdomehunters says: Mar 25, 2012 7:37 PM

    I’m from New Orleans and the above is hilarious. Lol cause it’s true

  25. steelcityrapist says: Mar 25, 2012 9:03 PM

    THIS RULE IS RASIST BS.

  26. andyreiddoublecheeseburger says: Mar 25, 2012 11:14 PM

    If they choose Spagnuolo they’ll at least satisfy the “mentally handicapped” clause within the Rooney Rule. Guy makes Wayne Fontes look like Tom Landry.

  27. db105 says: Mar 25, 2012 11:31 PM

    This rule contradicts what the rule was intended to do.

  28. alsharptonsmother says: Mar 26, 2012 8:36 PM

    The Rooney rule is racist in itself in that it only requires a team to interview a black candidate. However, if they gave their eyes set on a black candidate, they are not required to interview at least one white candidate. Can anyone say “reverse discriminationand black racism?”

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