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Jones, a member of the CEC, didn’t know about cap deal

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Many things stink about the league’s decision to strip a total of $46 million in cap space from the Redskins and Cowboys for treating the uncapped year as, well, an uncapped year.

Here’s the latest.  As we already know, the agreement regarding the imposition of the penalties was struck between the NFL Management Council Executive Committee and the NFLPA, making it a revision of the CBA without a vote of the league’s owners or union leadership.  That deal happened even though Cowboys owner Jerry Jones was and still is a member of the NFL Management Council Executive Committee.

It’s one thing for the so-called CEC to use its delegation of authority to work out side agreements with the union.  It’s quite another for the CEC to do so without knowledge of one of the men who has secured membership on the CEC.

The NFL would be wise to clean up this mess as soon as possible.  Jones and Redskins owner Daniel Snyder are ready to fight — and the last thing the NFL needs is escalation of a $46 million fracas into something that could harm the long-term interests of a multi-billion-dollar operation.

For the league, the sooner this goes away, the better.  The longer it hangs around, the more likely that some entity like Congress will become intrigued by the reality that the arrangement is aimed at masking, and supporting, illegal collusion.

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87 Responses to “Jones, a member of the CEC, didn’t know about cap deal”
  1. beerbaron says: Mar 26, 2012 11:32 AM

    They knew what they were doing was wrong, they were warned they could be punished, and they did it anyway.

    Of course, it’s not surprising that a lawyer can’t understand that.

  2. jredshoes says: Mar 26, 2012 11:33 AM

    The only people that seem to have an issue with this is the Redskins, the Cowboys, their fans and PFT. I’m guessing since the league is lawyer driven in every aspect now they have looked at it before the sanctions and approved it.

  3. sameer1138 says: Mar 26, 2012 11:33 AM

    Could illegal collusion fall under anti-trust legislation? This could get really bad….

  4. YouMadCauseImStylingOnYou says: Mar 26, 2012 11:33 AM

    John Mara deserves some sort of punishment. How about the league takes away some of Mr. Big Talk’s cap space or draft picks?

  5. nflfollower says: Mar 26, 2012 11:34 AM

    It’s collusion plain and simple. I would love to see this teams penalized, if there were even the slightest wrongdoing, but unfortunately there isn’t.

  6. jmsincla says: Mar 26, 2012 11:34 AM

    The NFL owes these 2 teams their money AND compensatory picks.

  7. kevpft says: Mar 26, 2012 11:36 AM

    It doesn’t sound like the NFL has a basis for taking anything at all away from these teams – especially when the issue of teams underspending has been ingnored – but if they insist, it seems like a face-saving measure would be to just take away one average player salary – $3 million? – from each team and be done with it.

    Last I checked, neither of these teams has a competitive advantage in their own division, let alone the league, and they seem to have a hard enough time attracting players as it is. With no actual rule broken, and no evidence of what the league is basing its claim on – potential competitive advantage – there’s nothing here for the league to stand on.

  8. clarkisgod says: Mar 26, 2012 11:37 AM

    They did nothing illegal. I have to side with both of these clowns reluctantly…

  9. mikea311 says: Mar 26, 2012 11:38 AM

    why cant people understand what happened. the cowboys and redskins DUMPED salaries into that uncapped year as to keep the big signings from hurting their cap in the future. that gives them a competitive advantage.

    its not that they spent money, its HOW.

    they tried to use a loophole to get an advantage in future years.

    now the advantage was taken away.

  10. cowboyfan45 says: Mar 26, 2012 11:38 AM

    I’m a cowboy fan, certainly not a Jerry Jones fan but this to me stinks to high heaven…This looks more and more like a personal vendetta by Mara to inflict punishment on his NFC east division revivals for a reason that’s not known, YET!!

    I think The cowboys and the Skins have a very legitimate case to make in court if they choose to go that route if the NFL doesn’t back down..

  11. sparky151 says: Mar 26, 2012 11:39 AM

    What is wrong with complying with the CBA? You seem to be saying that non-compliance with the owners desire to keep money out of the hands of the players ahead of a possible work stoppage is something that should be honored, even though it’s rather illegal.

  12. erod22 says: Mar 26, 2012 11:39 AM

    How were Jones and Snyder wrong?

    COLLUSION is wrong, not what Jones and Snyder did.

    The NFL looks gawd awful in this.

  13. grimlock12 says: Mar 26, 2012 11:39 AM

    I think april 26th on draft night would be a good way of telling the comish he can suck it. they should boo his !@# back to spygate where he came from!!!!

  14. jpeyster says: Mar 26, 2012 11:39 AM

    Does this not make it even more clear that John Mara is the real villain here? He met in secret behind Jones’s back, negotiated an amendment to the CBA without proper approvals, and then hammered two of his three biggest rival teams with critical penalties on the eve of free agency as punishment for not playing ball in a collusion scheme.

  15. rg3savedc says: Mar 26, 2012 11:40 AM

    Never thought i’d see the day I’d be rootin for jerry jones AND dan snyder.

    Make Goodell squirm!

  16. djstat says: Mar 26, 2012 11:40 AM

    They are not in trouble for paying big money in 2010. Had these been one year deals, they would have been fine. Instead they reworked contracts to circumvent the future cap by putting hte big money in one year and minimal salaries in other years. Thats not collusion BTW. They cheated and got caught.

  17. mnlittle says: Mar 26, 2012 11:41 AM

    Jerry’s gonna make Goodell and his lap dog Mara pay big money when this goes to court. Goodell’s resignation should be part of any final verdict. Goodell is ruining the league just so he can have all the power including deciding who wins the Super Bowl. A safety to start the game? What further proof do you need that his lust for power and control has extended to the field of play?

  18. jagerbmb says: Mar 26, 2012 11:41 AM

    Wow, this just got much more interesting. Who are the other members of the CEC?

  19. rviolaesq says: Mar 26, 2012 11:42 AM

    I agree. The Cowboys and Redskins. Mr. Mara was correct. It was just an effort to circumvent the rules they knew would be in effect. I’m a lawyer and I get it.

  20. savocabol1 says: Mar 26, 2012 11:42 AM

    Unless talking about fixing (as in betting) the sport, steroids, or concussions, congress should NEVER get involved in the NFL.

    There is many more issues at hand I want my congress discussing than collusion between a professional sports organization.

  21. stopdk12 says: Mar 26, 2012 11:42 AM

    It is also “not surprising” that someone named BEERBARON would be unable to understand the issue at hand.

  22. micronin127 says: Mar 26, 2012 11:42 AM

    They were instructed to collude and refused. Nothing they did violated the rules of the uncapped year. The league office accepted every contract signed as valid.

    The NFL will lose in court if they push it that far. They should look to settle with the Redskins and Cowboys, say give them each half of their cap space back and get on with the rest of their lives.

  23. feck12a says: Mar 26, 2012 11:42 AM

    The nfl didnt want the cap to go down so they dreamt this up so the players wouldnt think they got a bad deal. Goodel has his puppet (demaurice smith) running the union and he knows if the cap went down smith would be gone! I cant wait until the feds get involved…hey goodel who is sitting in those luxury boxes at skins games? senators? congressmen? high ranking government officials? You screwed up rog you and your buddy john (silver spoon in mouth) mara (the man calling the shots) are going to pay for this

  24. achavez67 says: Mar 26, 2012 11:44 AM

    To all the haters of the cowboys, even you must be able to see the wrongdoings of the nfl and goodell. It’s simple, play by the rules we set and you will be fine. Now if the others want to collude to help themselves and save money, fine but that’s not playing by the rules and that’s Jerry’s point.

  25. kidpresentable says: Mar 26, 2012 11:45 AM

    Perhaps the Skins and Cowboys will secede and join the UFL.

  26. manderson367 says: Mar 26, 2012 11:45 AM

    Sounds more and more like the other 30 NFL teams conspired to keep salaries down. If anything, what the other 30 teams did was illegal and they’re trying to punish the Redskins and Cowboys for not going along with their illegal activity. Tick, tick, tick…

  27. mfancy says: Mar 26, 2012 11:45 AM

    Is there any way possible the Skins/Cowboys don’t win this case?

  28. dscol715 says: Mar 26, 2012 11:46 AM

    The only thing they did wrong was not agree to cheat with the other 30 owners. The players had to make concessions in the previous CBA in order to secure that uncapped year(extension of restricted free agency, removal of salary floor etc.) For the owners to self impose a cap they ripped the players off by taking the benefits of the uncapped year without the consequences. If the owners hadn’t illegally colluded during that year every team would have gotten rid of all of their “Haynesworth” type contracts which would have created cap room for all teams in future years. That would have resulted in higher player salaries in the years after the uncapped year. So basically the other 30 owners got together and cheated and ripped the players off of millions of dollars in future salaries. I can’t believe they are voluntarily admitting to that now. They better drop these penalties quick. And by the way I am an Eagles fan and have no reason to stick up for the Skins and Cowboys.

  29. chadgoy says: Mar 26, 2012 11:46 AM

    Can’t really see anything happening from this. Redskins and Cowboys both deserve what they got (probably shoulda lost draft picks too).

  30. pistolvania says: Mar 26, 2012 11:46 AM

    @ beerbaron
    are you just plain stupid? Read and understand the story before you make a cooment. im sure the deadskins said ok let me just waste $36 million and the boys 10. these were the 2 teams that are getting in trouble for actually following the riles and not dealing in the collusion with the rest of the league.

  31. rp55 says: Mar 26, 2012 11:48 AM

    Goddell should be banned for one year!

  32. chadgoy says: Mar 26, 2012 11:48 AM

    BTW: a lawyer might also figure that because he gets so many responses to writing about CRAP like this (cuz Redskin and Cowboy fans think they got hooped) he’ll keep pumping out these worthless Rumors

  33. psps23 says: Mar 26, 2012 11:48 AM

    Illegal collusion? Check
    Bribery of a union to act upon unjust and unagreed upon provisions? Check.
    Revision of a Collective Bargaining Agreement without the involvement of all respective parties? Check
    Action of a management council taken WITHOUT the knowledge of one of the members on that council? Check

    But the Redskins and the Cowboys were the ones in the wrong here?
    Right……

    John Mara should be suspended from the NFL. Talk about compromising the competitve integrity of the game; this man single-handedly took it upon himself to sanction two division rivals for not cooperating in illegal activities that he championed by circumcenting the very Collective Bargaining Agreement that he claims to be protecting. F John Mara.

  34. angrycorgi says: Mar 26, 2012 11:49 AM

    Everything about the NFL stinks right now. The fact that this was a secret deal done behind closed doors without any forknowledge by Jones or Snyder stinks. The fact that the NFL is attempting to punish 4 teams for not going along with COLLUSION stinks. The fact that Congress hasn’t already said, “hey WTF?!?” stinks. And Mara’s filthy arse being at the top of this attack against two teams in his own division that refused to act in COLLUSION stinks.

    I say blow this whole thing up. Time for Congress to come in and charge Mara, Goodell and all those clearly guilty of collusion and have them penalized.

  35. cowboyfan45 says: Mar 26, 2012 11:49 AM

    Beerbaron, please tell us all what specific rule did the cowboys and skins break, it was an uncappped year, there’s was no rule and if the teams were trying to keep salaries down during that uncapped year, then that’s collusion on part of the owners..that’s illegal!!

  36. snarkzilla says: Mar 26, 2012 11:50 AM

    Ever hear the phrase ‘conflict of interest’ ?

  37. jrightler says: Mar 26, 2012 11:51 AM

    Ya’ll better watch out! Jerry The Jackal and Dangerous Danny are strapped and ready to take out ther’own committee! How dare the CEC conspire against the bosses whilst they were too busy abusing their privileges?

  38. willycents says: Mar 26, 2012 11:51 AM

    @beerbaron. I have no real dog in this fight, but, please research a little corporate law. A written contract carries more weight than a verbal warning in court. The fact that the NFL allegedly warned the teams not to overspend when their was a written contract allowing them to spend as much as they wished is not something to defend the penalty with. The fact that it was done without the knowlege (allegedly) of a member of the board is a can of worms tha the NFL does not want to advertise. Makes it look more and more like Mara did it without the approval of the council. Not a good way to do business, imao.

  39. turgidsen says: Mar 26, 2012 12:02 PM

    Beerbaron and Chadgoy– The Teams in question did get “hooped” as you say . The league should have nevr approved the contracts to then say oops we were wrong. Think of it this way you take your car in for service and the shop charges you $3000.00 to replace the trandmission and then says oops we were wrong you need an engine. So not only are you going to have to eat $3000.00 for the transmission now you need $5000.00 for the engine .Who is in the wrong here? and how would you handle it?

  40. mjkelly77 says: Mar 26, 2012 12:03 PM

    Maybe Jerry didn’t attend the meeting because he was too busy with a photo op or had the opportunity to give a sound bite. You know, the stuff he thinks is important.

  41. crapboys says: Mar 26, 2012 12:03 PM

    Bears and JPep! All these fans who say the skins cheated are idiots.

  42. jrightler says: Mar 26, 2012 12:04 PM

    @cowboyfan45
    The new CBA allows for quick cap enforcement using penalties assigned by the CEC and NFLPA exec together. The Redskins and Cowboys broke an old rule that was carried into the new CBA. Its the equivalent of speeding after the sign gets knocked over and claiming you didn’t know.

  43. mjkelly77 says: Mar 26, 2012 12:05 PM

    For the league, the sooner this goes away, the better. The longer it hangs around, the more likely that some entity like Congress will become intrigued by the reality that the arrangement is aimed at masking, and supporting, illegal collusion.
    ___________________

    So why doesn’t Jerry Jones admit that he took his eye of the ball and take the loss gracefully?

  44. bucfansouthtampa says: Mar 26, 2012 12:06 PM

    So if this was the affecting the Seahawks and Bucs would you be very concerned with this issue? According to Bill Polian, ALL owners were warned in 2009 not to dump their salaries in an uncapped year. They were warned that if and when a new CBA was signed then it would be retroactive.

  45. macwomack says: Mar 26, 2012 12:07 PM

    @beerbaron-

    You should try reading the articles … they are interesting and informative.

    An added bonus is that your posts will be based on facts and not feelings or beliefs.

  46. hitman21st says: Mar 26, 2012 12:07 PM

    There wasn’t any rule broken or loophole used. THERE WAS NO CAP. The other owners had a “gentleman’s agreement” (aka collusion) to not spend money. Jerry and Dan were smart and used no cap to their advantage. No rules were broken.

    What about the teams that spent below the cap floor? If there is an imaginary cap limit, there is also an imaginary cap floor.

    What about the Packers, who did the exact same thing the Skins and Cowboys did?

    This is John Mara trying to stick it to two divisional rivals, plain and simple. The Redskins and Cowboys broke no rules and cleared up cap space in a completely legal way. That pissed Mara off that they did that, so he is just trying to get revenge.

  47. mfancy says: Mar 26, 2012 12:08 PM

    So you guys think these teams should be punished for what exactly? They didn’t break any rule. Go read what Mara said. He said they broke the “spirit” of the uncapped year. Not that they broke a rule, but that they went against the “spirit” of it. How can you spend too much in an uncapped year?

    And if it was about competitive advantage, why didn’t teams like the Chiefs and Bucs face the same penalties for going below the salary cap floor?

  48. fafaflunky says: Mar 26, 2012 12:09 PM

    wow this gets more shadier by the minute..didnt the giants find a loop hole in faking injuries, by which they knew was wrong and there has always been a gentlemans agreement on not to do it..NY FOOTBALL CHEATERS..

  49. mjkelly77 says: Mar 26, 2012 12:09 PM

    beerbaron says:Mar 26, 2012 11:32 AM

    They knew what they were doing was wrong, they were warned they could be punished, and they did it anyway.

    Of course, it’s not surprising that a lawyer can’t understand that.
    ________________

    I agree. But again, the monitor of this site, in his or her controlling way, would not allow me to give you a “thumbs up”.

  50. bhester1906 says: Mar 26, 2012 12:10 PM

    This is garbage. The Redskins were poised to make some solid offseason moves and now they are hindered by a sketchy move by Goddell. The league should give them their money back and say a draft pick or two for handicapping them during free agency.

  51. mfancy says: Mar 26, 2012 12:10 PM

    Plus an important thing that everyone is forgetting. The NFL approved these contracts that are now in dispute. So if there was a problem in 2010, why did the league sign off on them?

  52. mjkelly77 says: Mar 26, 2012 12:13 PM

    mikea311 says:Mar 26, 2012 11:38 AM

    why cant people understand what happened. the cowboys and redskins DUMPED salaries into that uncapped year as to keep the big signings from hurting their cap in the future. that gives them a competitive advantage.

    its not that they spent money, its HOW.

    they tried to use a loophole to get an advantage in future years.

    now the advantage was taken away.
    ______________

    It’s really an easy concept to grasp. I guess simple minds need simple explanations.

  53. barbeaux says: Mar 26, 2012 12:13 PM

    I’m not a fan of either team, but it’s not cheating and it’s not breaking a rule if said rule doesn’t exist. Ex post facto.

  54. psps23 says: Mar 26, 2012 12:17 PM

    mikea311 says:
    Mar 26, 2012 11:38 AM
    “why cant people understand what happened. the cowboys and redskins DUMPED salaries into that uncapped year as to keep the big signings from hurting their cap in the future. that gives them a competitive advantage.

    its not that they spent money, its HOW.

    they tried to use a loophole to get an advantage in future years.

    now the advantage was taken away.”
    ——————-

    It is 100% IMPOSSIBLE to gain a competitive advantage in future years when, by definition, every single franchise had the exact same opportunity.

    People that don’t get this are morons.

  55. yankydave says: Mar 26, 2012 12:39 PM

    Guys like beerbaron and jredshoes are simply clueless. The reason why there was nothing in writing and the only deal was a wink wink, nudge nudge verbal deal is the NFL was BREAKING THE LAW with their collusion.

  56. riggo44 says: Mar 26, 2012 12:42 PM

    CEC members: Jerry Jones, Clark Hunt from KC, Jerry Richardson from Carolina, John Mara from NYG, Robert Kraft NE, Art Rooney Pitt, Dean Spanos from SD, Mike Brown from Cin, and Mark Murphy from GB.
    So that tells me 8 owners and the Commish were responsible for this ruling. Not anywhere close to the 24 teams needed to hand down that kind of ruling. And who knows what kind of votes are required in the CEC to pass a motion. To also not include one member in the decision making process also seems shady.

  57. yankydave says: Mar 26, 2012 12:43 PM

    I think the problems lots of fans are having is 1. using their brain to comprehend something and 2. coming to the conclusion that no matter how much they hate the Redskins or Cowboys, they didn’t break any rules. Luckily none of those fans work in the legal field. You won’t find one argument from someone who knows what rules, laws and agreements mean who thinks the league has any ground to stand on here.

  58. bucs13 says: Mar 26, 2012 12:44 PM

    A few things (yes, this applies to the previous commenter who said others don’t know about corporate governance)-

    At the least, Jones would have been forced to recuse himself (self interest, self-dealing) from any vote. Depending on the rules, it may have been entirely proper to keep him out of the loop.

    Second, I really wish PFT would do a breakdown on the contracts in question. There’s a difference between the following-
    a. One year contract in uncapped year for $25 million (entirely proper).
    b. Paying off contracts in uncapped year to end them (maybe proper).
    c. Frontloading contracts into uncapped year/restructuring contracts into uncapped year that continue on at much lower amounts into capped years (quite possibly improper as violating the new CBA).

    That might shed light, instead of heat.

  59. east96st says: Mar 26, 2012 12:45 PM

    “John Mara should be suspended from the NFL. …this man single-handedly took it upon himself to sanction two division rivals for not cooperating in illegal activities that he championed by circumcenting the very Collective Bargaining Agreement that he claims to be protecting.”

    You’re really naive enough to believe he acted completely by himself? Why aren’t any of the other owners coming to Jerry’s or Danny’s side? Silence from the rest of the league is deafening. And telling. Looks like the other 30 have gone “all in”. It’s up to Dallas and the Skins to decide whether it’s better to fight or fold. Having grown up in a family of lawyers, I can tell you very few lawsuits turn out exactly the way you want them to. Since Dallas and Washington have the two most valuable NFL teams, winning in court may undermine the League and decrease the overall value of their greatest asset. It’s not as black & white as you would like to imagine. Even if they are right, and we don’t have enough info to really know that, it could be a Pyrrhic victory.

  60. jdandcoke says: Mar 26, 2012 12:48 PM

    for whatever reason my last post was deleted.

    john mara doesnt need any back door shenanigans to beat the boys and skins…..seriously people, think about it. the giants are one of the few organizations in the game that all the others aspire to be, both from how they are run to the product on the field.

    jones and snyder are both clowns…and the nfl has MANY lawyers.

  61. deathtoromo says: Mar 26, 2012 12:50 PM

    mikea311 says:
    Mar 26, 2012 11:38 AM
    why cant people understand what happened. the cowboys and redskins DUMPED salaries into that uncapped year as to keep the big signings from hurting their cap in the future. that gives them a competitive advantage.

    its not that they spent money, its HOW.

    they tried to use a loophole to get an advantage in future years.

    now the advantage was taken away
    ————————————————

    And what about the dookie ball franchises like the Bucs and Bungles that spent below the salary cap floor to their advantage???????
    No one seems to want to answer that……..

  62. whatsupbb415 says: Mar 26, 2012 12:52 PM

    I get what your saying!
    But what the NFL did is illigal and if Jones and Snyder take them to court or before an arbitrator they will WIN!

    And that could mean an arbitrator awarding the Cowboys extra cap or some crazy stuff

  63. deathtoromo says: Mar 26, 2012 12:55 PM

    jdandcoke says:
    Mar 26, 2012 12:48 PM
    for whatever reason my last post was deleted.

    john mara doesnt need any back door shenanigans to beat the boys and skins…..seriously people, think about it. the giants are one of the few organizations in the game that all the others aspire to be, both from how they are run to the product on the field.

    jones and snyder are both clowns…and the nfl has MANY lawyers.

    ———————————————–

    The Giants were 9-7 last year and got hot and caught some breaks at the right time, same as there last Super Bowl. Let’s not put them up there with the Steelers of the 70’s, 49ers of the 80’s and Cowboys of the early 90’s just yet. Mara and the Giants suck.

  64. thraiderskin says: Mar 26, 2012 12:56 PM

    I keep hearing how taking advantage of a loop hole should be punished, but by definition, using a loop hole makes you immune to punishment. Its not cheating its taking advantage of the situation as it’s presented. Let’s not forget that the Raiders were hit with a minor punishment for dumping Jamarcus Russell and I strongly believe any team would have done the same at that same time.

  65. kubetheman says: Mar 26, 2012 1:02 PM

    Jones just wants his mugshot in the news again !

  66. ajpurp says: Mar 26, 2012 1:03 PM

    Really? What’s with this Mara stuff? Nothing at all has come out that he has done anything himself. All he did was comment on what was happening and his thoughts on why it happened. He did not act alone by any means. All you Cowboy and Redskin idiots need to take the bias and ignorance out of your posts. The league did this, with help of the NFLPA, no NFL owner has that much power singularly, idiots.

  67. musicman495 says: Mar 26, 2012 1:07 PM

    Let’s also not forget the reports that the league and the CEC ramrodded these sanctions through, and purposely did not put them to a vote of all their membership because they feared that Snyder and Jones could have easily convinced the handful of owners necessary to block the sanctions that they did nothing wrong. With no vote allowed, and strong arming the players union with the threat of a lower salary cap this year, mobsters act with more integrity than Goodell and Mara. Cannot wait for the Senate hearings on bountygate. When Goodell comes to pontificate about player safety, he can be asked about these anti-trust violations under oath.

  68. musicman495 says: Mar 26, 2012 1:09 PM

    ajpurp says: Mar 26, 2012 1:03 PM

    Really? What’s with this Mara stuff? Nothing at all has come out that he has done anything himself.
    ———————————-
    He is the chairman of the committee that found the violations and handed out the punishment. I guess that was just a coincidence, right?

  69. khuxford says: Mar 26, 2012 1:10 PM

    Burn, baby, burn!

  70. rubbernilly says: Mar 26, 2012 1:25 PM

    So when the Jones and Snyder win this thing, what recompense will they receive?

    They have been handcuffed already for free-agency… not able to spend the amount of money that others could. How many FA pickups have they missed out on?

    Already the damage has been done, even if they get their cap space back.

    If I were Jerry or Snyder, I’d ask for at least:
    1) the penalty-free carry-over of extra cap space from this year to the next (already they can carry over some, but I would want my team’s amount increased by a significant percentage of the penalty the NFL tried to apply)

    2) Compensatory draft pick.

    3) Public apology, and a percentage refund on every ticket a Dallas or Washington fan purchased.

  71. mfancy says: Mar 26, 2012 1:30 PM

    The NFL has lawyers? The same NFL owners who thought they would be able to collect TV during the lockout even though there would be no games? Yeah these guys are really smart.

  72. kingjeremi84 says: Mar 26, 2012 1:34 PM

    it dosnt matter if they dumped salary in a un capped year,(say it with me un capped year)it was all in the rules .they did what they needed to be done for their organizations.and choose not to engage in collusion along with every one else.saints and raiders should join in also.

  73. kevpft says: Mar 26, 2012 2:04 PM

    All I need to know is that the legal, binding part of the process – the review and approval of player contracts by the league – had no ability or willingness to interfere with what the Cowboys and Redskins were doing. But a non-democratic, unilateral committee can impose $46 million of penalties for a practice that was within every rule in effect at the time.

    The only basis for the penalty is violation of collusion, that is, failing to collaborate on something illegal.

    This will be an interesting test of just how much the NFLPA has been brought to heel.

  74. patsaintsbroncoscheat says: Mar 26, 2012 2:13 PM

    Cowboys and skins need to shut up and take their medicine. The NFL should threaten to start new teams in their cities if they don’t fall in line. Just take them off everyone schedule!

  75. skinsfaninnebraska says: Mar 26, 2012 2:44 PM

    mikea311 says:
    Mar 26, 2012 11:38 AM
    why cant people understand what happened. the cowboys and redskins DUMPED salaries into that uncapped year as to keep the big signings from hurting their cap in the future. that gives them a competitive advantage.

    its not that they spent money, its HOW.

    ————————–

    No, it’s you that don’t understand what’s happening here. The NFL is guilty of illegal collusion during the uncapped year, and that’s a big problem.

    As far as salary dumping, maybe you missed what the Bears did with Julius Pepper’s salary — and yet there is no punishment for them.

    Uncle Roger and his cronies have stepped on their own tails, and it’s going to hurt!

  76. tooamean4u says: Mar 26, 2012 2:45 PM

    I cannot believe the sheer volume of imbeciles who simply don’t have the mental capacity to understand the facts of this issue. Yes, the Redskins and Cowboys deserve to be criticized for numerous reasons (and I say this as a die hard Redskins fan) but seek to understand the facts.

    A.) They in no way, shape or form breached any provisions of the CBA.
    B.) It was an UNCAPPED YEAR. Let that process through your thick skulls. If the owners don’t like that then why would they ever agree to it in the previous CBA?
    C.) If Mara’s main defense to his purely punitive punishment of two division rivals is that we violated the “spirit” of the CBA then why weren’t the teams that spent substantially under the Cap punished? They created way more of a competitive advantage than either 2 teams by hoarding money for upcoming years.
    D.) They processed this punishment without formally voting on the issue. I’m sure THIS IN ITSELF is a breach of contract.
    E.) The contracts were APPROVED by the league. How can you approve an action TWICE and then retroactively punish someone?
    F.)We weren’t the only two teams to do this. Go check out the Julius Peppers contract in Chicago. Just as bad.
    G.) Just because cry baby Mara “Warned” us this would happen doesn’t mean he has ANY legal right to administer this punishment.

    Mara handed out these punishments the day before Free Agency on purpose so he could punitively punish both teams. He is a shallow, insecure man who deserves to be strict of his roll with the Executive Committee. He acted in a purely jealous, unprofessional manner and all facts will be brought to light. Oh by the way we’re now told Jerry serves on this SAME council and never heard about this? Talk about major BS.

  77. fullbagg says: Mar 26, 2012 2:53 PM

    Whats amazing is how the majority of people who thumbs up and down are in almost total aggreement that the NFL is totally wrong on this.

    Imagine blowhards like Newt and Pelosi involved in hearings!! They have no idea what is about to happen if they proceed.

    The “Players Union” doesn’t either!! 1 member can file an unfair labor practice against its Union “President” and this thing could get real!!

  78. rickc402 says: Mar 26, 2012 2:56 PM

    The NFL approved the contrats, besides if the cap was to remain at 123 million then 11 NFL teams overspent including the Giants and Super Bowl Champion Packers. The Third highest paid team was the Saints at 145 million with Bucs being 80 million, that’s a difference of 65 million dollars….competitive balance?

  79. macwomack says: Mar 26, 2012 3:20 PM

    @jdandcoke

    How many times did the Giants beat the Redskins last year?

    Please do the research and post the answer for all to see to support your claim:

    “john mara doesnt need any back door shenanigans to beat the boys and skins…..”

    Oh never mind you don’t need to do research I will clue you in — the answer is zero times. That is right the Giants could not beat the Redskins last year.

    On a side note reading is both fun and intersting – give it a try.

  80. jagerbmb says: Mar 26, 2012 3:27 PM

    This entire thing absolutely reeks. Why would Mara and Goodell even open this can of worms? The NFL is clearly wrong on this issue. Does Mara and Goodell believe they are untouchable?

  81. macwomack says: Mar 26, 2012 3:28 PM

    @rviolaesq

    Congrats on getting the law degree – we are all very impressed with your accomplishments.

    Now put that raging intellect to good use and let us all know which rule in the CBA, NFL by-laws, etc. (or any other document you wish to envoke) the Cowboys violated during the uncapped years.

    Recognizing that you get it because you apparently know the answer to this question. We don’t “get it” because us non-lawyers cannot find the rule in question.

    Thanks in advance for letting us know – and we thank you for your service to the legal community.

  82. ordinaryday6 says: Mar 26, 2012 4:00 PM

    I’m an eagles fan and not a lawyer. It was an uncapped year, the contracts were approved by the league. They shouldn’t have been fined for not participating in collusion. It’s illegal. I want any edge possible over these 2 teams, but this is just wrong.

  83. southmo says: Mar 26, 2012 4:32 PM

    I love the fact the Redskins got hit with such an outrageous amount… but it was still wrong. Saying they broke “the spirit of the uncapped year” is the same as saying, “I didn’t like it.”

    Too bad. It’s either against the rules, or it isn’t. If we start going by what feels right, then injustice results. This is like that kid you played with in grade school who kept changing the rules as you went along so he could win. If the Cowboys or Skins broke the rule, then fine them. If they didn’t it, then live with it.

    And they didn’t. There was no rule. It makes no difference if they dumped salaries or not. There-was-no-rule saying they couldn’t.

  84. maximus8930 says: Mar 26, 2012 4:44 PM

    Does anyone realize that these were not the only two teams. Look at who the bears signed that year or look at who the lions signed. Goodell should be forced to resign.

  85. rickc402 says: Mar 26, 2012 5:03 PM

    @ ordinaryday6: First having to team up with JJ and now a classy Eagles Fan!!! I never thought I’d live to see the day.
    Hail to the Redskins, hats off the the Cowboys.

  86. rickc402 says: Mar 26, 2012 5:09 PM

    @ patsaintsbroncoscheat: You sir, are one of the “useful” idiots. The Cowboys are the leading Franchise in the NFL valued at 1.85B and Washington is #2 valued at 1.55B. Any wonder why Mara targeted them? his share is #4 with the Giants at 1.44B. Politics man, Politics…. Source: Forbes

  87. plymkr88 says: Mar 27, 2012 12:29 PM

    To beer baron:

    The league OK’d the deals, if they were doing something “wrong” why ok it. Unwritten rules do not hold up in court genius.

    You must be a Giant fan, some of the dumbest fans.

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