In the future, you may want to know what you’re talking about before opening your “mouth” here. Unless, of course, you like looking uninformed regularly.

Most owners were ready to sit out the season. Most owners make their “real” money outside of football (Kraft being one). So, yes, with no 2011, the players would be screwed more than the owners, and the owners would have gotten a MUCH better deal for themselves if they cancelled the season thereby screwing the players.

And, yes, I’m done with you too if you can’t understand that.

You’re a fool and there’s no point in engaging you further.

The first thing you do is look at the negative side of any Kraft comment here. I’m not saying that Kraft was not looking out for his own best interests in these negotiations. What I am saying is that “greed” was not at the top of his list. We all know the money involved and couldn’t understand why the NFL would have a lockout to begin with (To us–the fans–it’s greed, but to the owners AND players, it was business. Most fans [Bozo] can’t distinguish between the two. These people–owners and players–live in a different world than you and me.) However, there was a lockout, and a new deal was signed. From ALL accounts, both sides are happy with the deal and think it’s fair. To imply that any of Kraft’s statements here represent any kind of “let’s screw the players later” comment is lame. If they really wanted to screw the players, there would have been no season in 2011. All he said was not to ASSUME there would be a huge jump in the cap in one year. That’s all.

Bozo’s comment is weak and comes from a known Patriot/Kraft hater on this site. He has not shown to earn any “trust” with any comment made about the Pats because of his own, well-established reputation. For you to agree with his assessment shows your knee jerk ignorance of the situation and the man (Kraft). Then, for you to insinuate that Kraft thought the labor deal was more important than his wife further shows your lack of knowledge of the situation and the man.

As for my educational understanding of your agreement with Bozo, I comprehended what you wrote, and it’s still effing stupid. You should read the context of Bozo’s original statement and then understand the source. Maybe you should find one of those “learning annexes” that you mentioned so that you can put 2 and 2 together.

What I can say in response, though, is that we’re not talking about players here, but the players’ side: their management and legal teams that have advised them the cap will jump up by a large amount. If they saw the contracts during the negotiations or as part of their lawsuit against the league having structured their TV deals in a suspect way to help buoy them for the anticipated lockout, then it seems less likely that they’re just wrong here and more likely that the owners are trying to manipulate things to their benefit in a less than forthright manner.

Then, again, if you’d asked me a month ago, I’d have been adamant that no one running the NFLPA would consent to retroactively endorsing collusion for some short-sighted benefit.

Since we haven’t heard from DeSmith on this topic, I’m guessing he must have known what was up with the contracts. I would imagine had he felt some injustice was done, he’d (or Atallah would be, etc)be fussing about it publicly on behalf of his players.

I don’t know anything for sure, just trying to surmise based on what’s happened.

If you had acknowledged both arguments as valid previously, I wouldn’t have needed to point it out to you. Which would have deprived BCGreg the opportunity to demonstrate his difficulty following a pretty straight forward comment that led him to take verbal swings at me, where I took that “learning annex” jab at him in return. I made no such slaps at you, but you attempt to insult me by calling me a pompous wonk when this whole line of discussion came about because you couldn’t breathe, take two seconds and realize the same facts you used to “prove” your opinion could be used to “prove” Bozo’s?

To recap: I politely point out your error, get slapped at by a third party, return fire and end with you acknowledging the truth to what I said but insulting me for the effort.

I believe I see why some people have such problems discussing the issues with Pats fans.

In fairness to Mr. Kraft and those who greatly admire him, I’ll modify my stance to his making these statements to put the league in the best possible position to avoid action by the players in the future.

But, if the players saw the contracts as you indicate and aren’t morons, then they’d have seen the payout schedule and not have made these claims, yes?

However… I’ll prefer, based on what I’ve read, to think that he’s a good, sincere man, and I’m quite happy to have him as the owner of my favorite football club.

If that makes me an ignorant “learning annex” graduate in the eyes of a pompous wonk like you, khuxford, I can live with that.

I said the facts could be used to back up Bozo’s assertion, specifying a few times along the way that it wasn’t necessarily one I agreed with.

The only sentiment I agree with is that this “smooth” nonsense he’s talking about is just a way to start building up their attempt to play down revenue in order to keep the player share smaller.

I can certainly see why Bozo talks about ignorant Pats fans…

Are you really that stupid that you believe what you wrote or that you agree with bozo? Did you even READ the statements of people regarding the end of the lockout? After the deal was done, Kraft explained that his wife told him to go get the deal done. It was important to her as well even on her death bed. Kraft flew back and forth every day to the meetings. He is one of the most powerful and influential owners in the league and needed to be there to get it done. Funny how in the middle of the process, Kraft said that if the lawyers got out of the room that a deal would be done. Ironically, that’s pretty much how it got done. When the players almost unanimously laud Kraft for getting the deal done and for having a fair deal, then greed obviously was not a factor. Bozo talks about ignorant Pats fans. Well, I’m here to talk about ignorant haters such as bozo and you because you obviously don’t understand what he’s saying about the salary cap in relation to the tv money.

But, whatever you think of his being at the meeting after his wife’s death, I am with bozosforall on Kraft’s salary cap statement. This is laying the groundwork for withholding as much of the new money from the players as possible, despite ownership already winning on the CBA.

You’re such a trolling idiot.

This year to year salary cap calculation makes things a lot messier than need be.

You gotta love the guy after what Jeff Saturday said. We would not be having football in 2012 if not for Mr. Kraft. Well Thank You then Mr Kraft!!!

News to the rest of the league: If the Patriots and Eagles are doing/saying the same thing, you should probably do that too

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On the other hand, if the Cowboys and Redskins are doing/saying the same thing, you should probably NOT do that too.