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Roger Goodell: Saints continued lying “into the past several weeks”

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NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is defending his harsh punishments over the Saints bounty scandal, saying that the longer the league investigated, the longer the Saints lied about what was happening.

“It’s a violation of a very serious rule,” Goodell said today. “We have made player health and safety very clear as a priority. I have addressed it with owners, head coaches, general managers and all of our personnel several times a year. When this first was raised over two years ago, there were denials. They frankly were not forthright with what was happening. And that continued, and it continued even through our investigation into the past several weeks. So it’s a serious violation of our policy. It is something that has zero tolerance in the NFL. It’s not acceptable to hide the issues, continue to violate NFL policy, put our players at risk. That’s going to be dealt with very harshly.”

Goodell said that the league talked to the Saints the day before they beat the Lions in this year’s playoffs, and Goodell isn’t sure whether the Saints had halted their bounty program even at that point.

“I don’t know,” Goodell said. “Our point was if there is one you better make sure it’s not in effect because we’re continuing our investigation.”

Goodell acknowledged that there have been other violations of the league’s rule against handing out money in the locker room to reward players for performance, although the other violations the league is aware of were nowhere near the same level of what the Saints were doing.

“I think it’s fair to say that non-contract bonus payments have been happening throughout the league more frequently than we would like, and that is going to be discontinued,” Goodell said.

But other teams that had non-contract bonus payments didn’t go as far as the Saints did, and didn’t lie to the NFL repeatedly in the league’s investigation. And after the Saints’ repeated lies, Goodell doesn’t sound like he has any second thoughts about banning head coach Sean Payton for a full year.

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  1. babyhorsemorgan says: Mar 26, 2012 6:47 PM

    Saints are liars. Tebow may not have told the whole truth. Is nothing sacred anymore?

  2. skoobyfl says: Mar 26, 2012 6:47 PM

    Looking at the big picture, the teams paid assassins to hunt the premier players in the league.

  3. sdisme says: Mar 26, 2012 6:49 PM

    “But other teams that had non-contract bonus payments didn’t go as far as the Saints did”

    And you know this as fact?

  4. jackntorres says: Mar 26, 2012 6:50 PM

    Goodell acknowledged that there have been other violations of the league’s rule against handing out money in the locker room to reward players for performance, although the other violations the league is aware of were nowhere near the same level of what the Saints were doing.
    —-
    So although they broke the same rule, their punishment will be to just sign a waiver.

  5. patfic15 says: Mar 26, 2012 6:51 PM

    Roger is just worried about keeping his money making QBs heads on. I wonder who will sponsor the flags for the uniforms…

  6. pats54 says: Mar 26, 2012 6:52 PM

    Bernard Pollard should be investigated.

  7. bozosforall says: Mar 26, 2012 6:52 PM

    So what, Roger? YOU destroyed the evidence of how pervasive the Patriots’ cheating was, thereby cheating the entire NFL fan base of being able to see what really happened. Yeah, we know it was really bad but as consumers of your product, we deserved to see the evidence of how extensively they did cheat. When you destroyed that evidence, you lost all credibility.

  8. kane337 says: Mar 26, 2012 6:53 PM

    Saints = Dirty Rotten Scoundrels

  9. redrobots44 says: Mar 26, 2012 6:54 PM

    Good job goodell

  10. gtj1 says: Mar 26, 2012 6:54 PM

    Saints need to hire Dungy for the year to coach and clean up this mess.

  11. thepvyharvin says: Mar 26, 2012 6:55 PM

    New Orleans stands for corruption. Duh Goodell, of course they did. If America had an enema, it would be inserted in The Big sleazy,,,

  12. section731 says: Mar 26, 2012 6:55 PM

    Here is what I don’t think this bounty thing is a big deal. The players are being rewarded for what they already do. Do you really think that a player would risk an illegal hit and a certain minimum $10,000 fine for a couple hundred dollar bounty? The idea is absurd.

  13. andyreiddoublecheeseburger says: Mar 26, 2012 6:57 PM

    Tracy Porter and Darren Sharper are still lying about it.

  14. joesphkerr says: Mar 26, 2012 6:58 PM

    Time for the annual owner meetings. Must mean that Spring is in the air. All is good unless you are the Payton and company. Just checked the forecast and it appears that a Nuclear Winter is set to happen on April 1st.

  15. goodluckking says: Mar 26, 2012 6:59 PM

    I think it is hilarious how Saints fans try to defend their tema by asking “How many roughing the passer calls did they get compared to other teams?”

    Sometimes teams just don’t get called.

    Perfect example: Every time the NFL network talks about the scandle they show one of the Saints lineman drilling Matt Stafford a couple of seconds after he throws the pass. This was during this years game and no call was made.

  16. jackers252 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:00 PM

    I can’t wait to hear the punishment for the World Champion NY Giants. After all, “It’s a violation of a very serious rule,” Goodell said today. “We have made player health and safety very clear as a priority. I have addressed it with owners, head coaches, general managers and all of our personnel several times a year.

    In case you missed it:
    “The thing is, we knew he had four concussions, so that was our biggest thing, was to take him outta the game,” said Jacquian Williams, who forced the second fumble, in overtime, to set up New York’s game-winning field goal.

    “He’s had a lot of concussions,” said Devin Thomas, who recovered both fumbles. “We were just like, `We gotta put a hit on that guy.’” Later in the same interview, he told the Newark Star-Ledger that teammate and backup safety Tyler Sash “did a great job hitting him early and he looked kind of dazed when he got up. I feel like that made a difference and he coughed it up.”

  17. pmars64 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:01 PM

    Yup, Honest Abe Goodell never tells a lie. No, this isn’t about wanting the 18 game schedule. No, this isn’t about trying to head-off lawsuits from former players. No, this isn’t about protecting the NFL brand and PR. Nope, right Honest Abe? No, you were being truthful last year during the lock-out when you said teams were going to lose money if the CBA wasn’t changed. I mean, there’s no doubt the TV networks decided to cut their payments to the NFL, didn’t they Honest Abe?

  18. steelerhypocrite says: Mar 26, 2012 7:01 PM

    “I need a more of an explanation.” – Drew Bree’s

  19. norcalcard says: Mar 26, 2012 7:03 PM

    When you show that much blatant disregard for your sport, your job, your boss. You leave yourself open for punishment. The Saints and all their coaches and participating players deserve now whatever they get. This is all an age old story. Cheater gets caught. cheater lies about it. cheater gets punished, cheater whines about punishment. Saints will be whining about this all through their losing season about Goodell killed their season I’m sure. Cautionary tale: Don’t let this happen to you, get rid of cable TV

  20. ffsniper says: Mar 26, 2012 7:03 PM

    Saints Bounty Punishment – Good job Goodell

    Redskins/Cowboys Cap Punishment – Bad job Goodell

  21. jasonvining says: Mar 26, 2012 7:04 PM

    “I need a more of an explanation.” – Drew Bree’s

    You do know it’s Brees w/o an apostrophe? Idiot.

  22. jackers252 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:06 PM

    I wonder what punishments will befall Tennessee and possibly Detroit.

    The Detroit Free Press states that the Titans ran a “player-organized incentive pool,” but the coaches were aware of it. This happened during current Detroit Lions’ head coach Jim Schwartz tenure there as defensive coordinator.

    The report states Schwartz “handed out baseball bats or boxing gloves for big hits” and the players raised things up a notch with monetary rewards.

    “Guys would throw out there, ‘Hey, knock this guy out, and it’s worth $1,000,’” safety Lance Schulters, who played for Tennessee in 2002-04, told the paper. “Let’s say when we played the Steelers, and Hines Ward was always trying to knock guys out. So if you knocked (him) out, there might be something in the pot, $100 or whatever, for a big hit on Hines — a legal, big hit.”

  23. hoodiehollywood says: Mar 26, 2012 7:06 PM

    @bozosforall: What are you talking about? After the whole matt walsh thing they did show tapes, on multiple tv screens, I watched the entire thing live. They also showed the tape of the jet game where they had gotten caught because someone in the jets leaked it to the press. And what does the Patriots taping have anything to do with The Saints trying to hurt people?

  24. bsandcs says: Mar 26, 2012 7:07 PM

    here is bozos and his all consuming patriots psychosis again. even when the article has nothing to do with them.

  25. freedomispopular says: Mar 26, 2012 7:08 PM

    The American people continue to elect scumbag politicians, so IMO, I don’t really think honesty is valued all that much anymore.

  26. jackers252 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:08 PM

    And while we are at it, I wonder what will happen with Baltimore?

    Ravens’ linebacker Terrell Suggs admitted on an Atlanta radio show that he and teammates were gunning for the Steelers offensive duo. Not to mention that on the October 17, 2008 edition of ESPN’s “2 Live Stews” radio program, Suggs had this to say:

    “Did you all put a bounty out on that young man [Mendenhall],” Suggs replied, “Definitely. The bounty was out on him and the bounty was out on [Ward] — we just didn’t get him between the whistles.”

  27. robert831 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:09 PM

    Saints are lying cheaters with a tainted championship… They should have lost at least 3 first round picks & 3 years of franchise tags, one for each year we have confirmation they intentionally cheated & lied.

  28. ascensionparish says: Mar 26, 2012 7:10 PM

    Still hittin’ the playoffs like a Mack truck.

  29. ajpurp says: Mar 26, 2012 7:11 PM

    Haha 5th string Giants players who score a 10 on the Wunderlich does not equate to the Giants have bounties… Where is the logic on these message boards coming from. All players aim for hitting guys and sore spots- they were just dumb enough to say it. If anyone thinks Tom coughlin would have handed out money for bounties or even allowed it is retarded. Bill Parcells advocated tough ass football, but even the real LT cried when he broke Joe’s leg and was the first to call the med staff over. That is not an organization that advocates or condones paying players to take others out of a game and nothing has every showed otherwise. The Saints and all the franchises Williams has coached are the only ones that have, as well as good ole Buddy.

  30. jackers252 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:12 PM

    It’s kind of shocking that with so many reports of bounties or pay-for-performance programs in place and openly discussed why it took the league so long to act.

    If player safety was truly the driving force, why didn’t the league take stronger action years ago? Why didn’t the league crack down on the Saints years ago?

    It’s kind of funny how the NFL only cracked down after they were lied to. Is that what this is about?

    Clearly, the Giants should feel some wrath from the league, especially for gunning for someones bruised brain, right? I mean, that was only a couple weeks ago…

  31. ravenator says: Mar 26, 2012 7:13 PM

    Throw the book at em!

  32. brj1212 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:13 PM

    I think everyone is taking this the wrong way. The saints got caught having a bounty program but the suspensions were because of the lying.

    Everyone is commenting on how he said other teams were doing it so they should have a penalty as well.

    They did not lie to his face about it. That is where the punishment is coming from.

  33. harrisonhits2 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:13 PM

    “bozosforall says:
    Mar 26, 2012 6:52 PM
    So what, Roger? YOU destroyed the evidence of how pervasive the Patriots’ cheating was, thereby cheating the entire NFL fan base of being able to see what really happened”

    Lol always the Patriot hating bimbo. What he destroyed on the tapes were shots of other teams filming the Pats right back.

    Furthermore, the Pats weren’t intentionally injuring people, which is criminal assault by the way. As well as criminal conspiracy with the number of people involved and the number of different targets.

  34. packerpride03 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:14 PM

    Love all the drama down in the big easy… Bet a co worker a 30 pack that the packers would have a better record then the saints in 2012. Gunna be nice drinking that Colorado cool aid

  35. jackntorres says: Mar 26, 2012 7:14 PM

    So long as all Vikings fan know…

    Bounty or not the Saints were going to knock the life out of Favre.

  36. kingfish4242 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:16 PM

    sdisme says:
    Mar 26, 2012 6:49 PM
    “But other teams that had non-contract bonus payments didn’t go as far as the Saints did”

    And you know this as fact?

    —————————-

    Yep, just heard Goodell on NFLN and he didn’t say this. The author is putting words into Goodells mouth here.

    This is what Goodell said

    I think it’s fair to say that non-contract bonus payments have been happening throughout the league more frequently than we would like, and that is going to be discontinued,” Goodell said.

    If there are still people out there who still don’t believe this had been part of NFL culture for a very long time are very very naive.

  37. bsandcs says: Mar 26, 2012 7:16 PM

    bozos if you are curious about what signal stealing looks like on tape you could ask the jets what was on their film when their camera man was removed from the field in 2006 against the patriots. you know, right before the league wide memo was sent out.

  38. jackers252 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:16 PM

    @ajpurp – you said, “That is not an organization that advocates or condones paying players to take others out of a game and nothing has every showed otherwise.”

    I guess you somehow missed the part where multiple Giants talked about targeting a player with concussion issues.

  39. monkeesfan says: Mar 26, 2012 7:18 PM

    Did the Saints really lie to Goodell? I suspect Goodell is so ignorant of football he doesn’t even understand what being told the truth really is.

  40. jrwskw says: Mar 26, 2012 7:23 PM

    It wasn’t hard to figure out part of what happened even before this story today. After the early March initial NFL release on this, Sean Payton went to New York and lied straight-faced either to Goodell or his investigators. It’s fairly obvious. Then, after he is punished, he remains the most obstinate about it all. Saints should fire him now.

  41. bozosforall says: Mar 26, 2012 7:23 PM

    hoodiehollywood says:
    Mar 26, 2012 7:06 PM
    @bozosforall: What are you talking about? After the whole matt walsh thing they did show tapes, on multiple tv screens, I watched the entire thing live. They also showed the tape of the jet game where they had gotten caught because someone in the jets leaked it to the press. And what does the Patriots taping have anything to do with The Saints trying to hurt people?

    __
    It has to do with Goodell’s credibility, hooded idiot.

  42. rockstart42 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:23 PM

    Saints – scapegoats.

    They were made to be the scapegoats of a league wide problem. If any team could handle harsh penalty and bring the league into following the rule going forward it was the Saints.

    Goodell SUCK.

  43. bozosforall says: Mar 26, 2012 7:24 PM

    bsandcs says:
    Mar 26, 2012 7:07 PM
    here is bozos and his all consuming patriots psychosis again. even when the article has nothing to do with them.

    __
    It got you to cry like the little baby that you are, so my ploy worked once again. The joke is on you, bs.

  44. jackers252 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:25 PM

    @ajpurp – Here is your very own Carl Banks. Like I said before, it’s hard to close back up Pandora’s Box….

    “It’s been around football a long time — big hits, and rewards for big hits,” the former Giant told the Daily News on Saturday. “I know it may sound barbaric, (but) within the locker room this is nothing. Anybody who has been around football knows this doesn’t amount to anything new at all.”

    Banks, 49, a two-time Super Bowl champion with the Giants and an All-Pro linebacker who is now a Big Blue broadcaster and WFAN football analyst, said he has never heard of a coach being part of the pay-for-hits incentive, but said the practice of players offering cash rewards for good, hard defensive hits was widespread in his 12-year career, including his nine seasons with the Giants.

    “I never offered my teammates something to hurt somebody or take them out,” Banks said. “I wouldn’t do that and I don’t think there are five guys in the league who would do that now. But am I telling you that if we had a big game against a big opponent, that I might go over to someone on special teams before a kickoff and say, ‘A thousand bucks for the first guy to take (the return man) down inside the 20?’ I absolutely am saying that I did that — and that it happens all the time.”

  45. bozosforall says: Mar 26, 2012 7:25 PM

    bsandcs says:
    Mar 26, 2012 7:16 PM
    bozos if you are curious about what signal stealing looks like on tape you could ask the jets what was on their film when their camera man was removed from the field in 2006 against the patriots. you know, right before the league wide memo was sent out.

    __
    Odd that the league didn’t punish the Jets though. Keep on crying. little Pats baby.

  46. jackers252 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:26 PM

    More Carl Banks…

    To Banks, the distinction between a reward for a good hit and a hit that hurts somebody and takes them out of the game is almost impossible to distinguish. The NFL determined that the Saints rewarded those who caused injuries to opposing players.

    “It’s a physical sport by nature,” Banks said. “It’s a violent sport by nature. Everybody out there has the intent to hit somebody hard. . . . You can’t legislate intent, if a guy makes a hard, clean hit that is within the rules.

    Banks said that he knows his opinions may not sit well with fans who don’t understand the culture of violence that is as much a part of football as the 50-yard line. It’s not as if he’s saying it’s fine to go out and try to hurt people. He’s simply saying that in a sport in which teams that hit the hardest, and are the most punishing, prevail, you can’t be surprised when players want to inflict the biggest hit they can.

    As for Williams’ involvement, Banks said, “I don’t know the specifics of what Gregg Williams did, but it’s not as if they had body bags on the sidelines in New Orleans.”

    To Banks, the biggest issue here is that the NFL undertook its investigation into the Saints’ bounty hunting to begin with.

    “The fact that it ever got out of the locker room is shameful,” Banks said.

  47. rtk23 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:28 PM

    Get over yourself, you red headed dufus.

  48. xxwhodatxx says: Mar 26, 2012 7:28 PM

    Zero tolerance, don’t make me laugh

  49. thepvyharvin says: Mar 26, 2012 7:28 PM

    jackntorres says:So long as all Vikings fan know…

    Bounty or not the Saints were going to knock the life out of Favre.
    ====================================
    So long as all Sinners fans know….

    Was a bounty,,,and you failed to know the old Iron Man out!!! wimps…

  50. bozosforall says: Mar 26, 2012 7:28 PM

    harrisonhits2 says:
    Mar 26, 2012 7:13 PM
    “bozosforall says:
    Mar 26, 2012 6:52 PM
    So what, Roger? YOU destroyed the evidence of how pervasive the Patriots’ cheating was, thereby cheating the entire NFL fan base of being able to see what really happened”

    Lol always the Patriot hating bimbo. What he destroyed on the tapes were shots of other teams filming the Pats right back.

    Furthermore, the Pats weren’t intentionally injuring people, which is criminal assault by the way. As well as criminal conspiracy with the number of people involved and the number of different targets.

    __
    Shots of the other team filming back? Bet that you can’t prove that, since the tapes are destroyed.

    And as for “criminal assault”…keep on thinking that will fly in court. Because the NFL will counter with “assumption of the risk” and the plaintiffs will go quietly into that good night.

  51. giantrealist says: Mar 26, 2012 7:29 PM

    What’s with all the hate directed towards the best team in the NFL…the NY Football Giants? Don’t hate us because we have the best QB in the game. Don’t hate us because be have the best GM in the league. Don’t hate us because we have a real honest to God old school Head Coach. Don’t hate us because we bounced the Pats twice in the Super Bowl.

    Hate your team because you can’t match up against us.

    We’re simply too dang honest and talented to resort to implementing bounties. Our coaches don’t need to pay our players to hit harder than you do. Our players do it because if NY Giants Pride.

  52. tres79 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:31 PM

    Packerpride03…here’s a toast to 15 and 1 and done!

  53. jackers252 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:32 PM

    @brj1212: No, they are just proving the point that this was never about player safety (like the league is hiding behind) but about lying to Daddy.

    All the open cases about bounties just got swept under the rug. Hell, even the Saints original bounty program was kept quiet…until they lied.

    Again, the league doesn’t care about player safety.

  54. jackers252 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:33 PM

    @giantrealist – Didn’t the Saints blow out the Giants by like 30 points last year?

  55. jeffesky says: Mar 26, 2012 7:36 PM

    A real lack of ethics by the saints …..goodell did it right

  56. getagripdummie says: Mar 26, 2012 7:36 PM

    Idiots ! If youre a saints fan Goodell is on this point is a jerk but if youre a Viking fan you claim the Saints should have an asterisk on there super bowl win. You all sound like Democrats and Republicans and look past the real issue. While goodell is actually doing the right thing by making an attempt to keep the sport we love so dearly safe for the people who play it all you can do is worry about the uniform.

  57. kingfish4242 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:36 PM

    bozosforall says:
    Mar 26, 2012 6:52 PM

    And as for “criminal assault”…keep on thinking that will fly in court. Because the NFL will counter with “assumption of the risk” and the plaintiffs will go quietly into that good night.

    ————————————-

    Not only assumption of the risks,but football falls under the same rules as boxing. Players and fighters are giving “expressed consent” to battery which is legally defined as unwanted touching. In essence,offensive players tried to avoid getting tackled while defensive players try to hiit them hard.

    You’re 100% correct. A first year law student would have no trouble beating those charges in a court of law.

  58. nfl1818 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:37 PM

    Another bounty story and more unrelated rants from bozos. Can we move along please?

  59. ruthlssjag says: Mar 26, 2012 7:39 PM

    Whats the loophole?
    A player talks to another player(s) about a potential target (without the knowledge of any coaches, owners, etc), & the money is collected outside of any football institute, ie their homes. Voilaa, Justice is again screwed!!

    Personally, if they want to get away from these so-called bounties, hire a number of anonymous player’s throughout NFL teams, pay them for their services (sry folks, nothing comes free nowadays) for any feedback they hear within the locker rooms, in practice, on the side, in games, wherever.. Nothing is Impossible!!

  60. numberoneinthehoodg says: Mar 26, 2012 7:41 PM

    Goodell has an agenda. And as more and more players continue to fight his system, the more they get penalized. Old school was fun but it’s over. How much does he need to do to get that through the players, owners, and fans head?

  61. bozosforall says: Mar 26, 2012 7:42 PM

    @kingfish4242,
    Maybe I should go to law school then. Anybody want to sponsor me?

    @nfl1818,
    Let’s first see a sharp decline in idiot Pats fans posting their constant drivel here. How about we move along from that?

  62. bsandcs says: Mar 26, 2012 7:44 PM

    bozosforall says:
    Mar 26, 2012 7:24 PM
    bsandcs says:
    Mar 26, 2012 7:07 PM
    here is bozos and his all consuming patriots psychosis again. even when the article has nothing to do with them.

    __
    It got you to cry like the little baby that you are, so my ploy worked once again. The joke is on you, bs.
    ———–
    lol bozos – im sorry but no one cries at your “ploys”. they are more humorous than anything. your overeager and repetitive insults of cry baby this and loser that just end up describing you more than anyone else. the fact that you put so much energy into hate is unfortunate.

  63. nflfan555 says: Mar 26, 2012 7:45 PM

    SpyGate = Sillygate at this point… Way to go Roger,thats how to take charge – back to being the Aints

  64. nolahxc says: Mar 26, 2012 7:47 PM

    “Goodell isn’t sure whether the Saints had halted their bounty program even at that point.”

    So clearly they didn’t have definitive evidence one way or the other. So when WAS he sure that the Saints had a bounty program? Just 09? 2010? Hmmm… he’s probably not sure.

  65. edenprairieballer says: Mar 26, 2012 7:58 PM

    Someone still owes Drew Brees an explanation.

  66. prmpft says: Mar 26, 2012 8:01 PM

    …Man I’m not diggin’ this guy!

  67. stevenfbrackett says: Mar 26, 2012 8:08 PM

    “Lying up until a few weeks ago”? If by that you mean the last interviews/statements from Payton, Williams, Loomis, and Benson, and a host of suspected players, then yeah.

    But you need a little help reading your calendar because those were only a few days ago.

  68. monkeyboymotors says: Mar 26, 2012 8:12 PM

    hey tracy porter,do you still want to continue to lie about cheating? because roger goodell knows you’re lieing! oh, and those headlights you see? that’s the bus gregg w is going to throw you under!

  69. cfoodgumbo504 says: Mar 26, 2012 8:16 PM

    Goodell is a idiot!! He has to much power… He opened up a can of worms.. EVERY TEAM does this crap… If he does a proper investigation, there will be alot more coaches and players punished… The NFL NEVER did like New Orleans… He hated handing the trophy to Benson and Payton… The Saints will surprise all you idiots this year…

  70. busterdog1 says: Mar 26, 2012 8:16 PM

    This all stupid, then fine every other team that does stuff like that. With some kind of penalty but don’t just let it go. If good for one it is good for all. He gives out penaltys and does not look at the after affects. You are going to suspend 22 players on the defense and the coach. So who is really penalized not Sean Peyton he can go to a network and make 3 million but his coaches can’t.
    Your coach says go out and knock him out the game he has to listen to the coach. So he gets in hot water with the coach are with Goodell. If I were a Saints fan I would boycott the game completely and have a empty stadium. Now who wins. The NFL did a poor job in there investigation so now he is pissed.

  71. monkeyboymotors says: Mar 26, 2012 8:17 PM

    hey drew, maybe sean will explaine to you tonight when he tucks you in for bed.

  72. tigger0924 says: Mar 26, 2012 8:22 PM

    Bounty hate, so what, the Saints are stacking their team for another run with or without the coach.

  73. sfsaintsfan says: Mar 26, 2012 8:48 PM

    Saints are heading for the Super Bowl.

    They will be the first team in NFL history to win the Super Bowl in their home stadium.

    They are reloading their defense which has been “soft” in recent years, and if anything, hasn’t been hitting hard enough…..

    The Saints offense will show no mercy this year. If you thought they were running up the score in 2011, just wait for some of the pinball final scores they put up in 2012.

  74. rjkilla says: Mar 26, 2012 8:58 PM

    i think it’s pretty obvious that the owner, coaches, and players in the big easy have no class

  75. mdd913 says: Mar 26, 2012 9:29 PM

    Anybody here actually naive enough to think Goodell is doing this because he is truly concerned about player safety? Come on, Goodell, stop insulting our intelligence.

  76. tabais says: Mar 26, 2012 9:43 PM

    I love when the fans use the same defense that they would not accept from their own children. “Everyone else was doing it!” A lot of other teams seem to have done it, but the difference is those teams also stopped when told to by the NFL or were at least smart enough not to get caught. Packers are an example. They were told to stop and they did!

    What people seem to gloss over was that the Saints were given a verbal warning back in 2010 to stop doing this. They nodded their heads said they were sorry then as soon as the NFL turned their backs went and started right back up. Each coach who was suspended admitted to lying to the investigators and trying to mislead the investigation. The cover up is always worse than the crime.

    Do I think the original crime was that bad? No, but I do think they deserve everything they got for being idiots and lying to cover it up.

  77. mdd913 says: Mar 26, 2012 9:45 PM

    And yes I am looking forward to the Saints going all scorched earth on the whole league this season. You all wanted to make them the villain, well now you have and they’re ready to embrace it. No more Mr. Nice Guys.

  78. seenoland54 says: Mar 26, 2012 10:16 PM

    New Orleans needs a hockey team…they already have the goons.

  79. mthead55 says: Mar 26, 2012 10:19 PM

    So when Goodell says “zero tolerance” what does he mean? Or his continuing to lie to us about his motives? I quit watching baseball over their strike. Goodell is about to make me give up football. His heavy handed, authoritarian rule his for his own benefit and nothing else.

  80. expertop says: Mar 26, 2012 10:32 PM

    kingfish4242 says:
    Mar 26, 2012 7:36 PM
    bozosforall says:
    Mar 26, 2012 6:52 PM

    And as for “criminal assault”…keep on thinking that will fly in court. Because the NFL will counter with “assumption of the risk” and the plaintiffs will go quietly into that good night.

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    Not only assumption of the risks,but football falls under the same rules as boxing. Players and fighters are giving “expressed consent” to battery which is legally defined as unwanted touching. In essence,offensive players tried to avoid getting tackled while defensive players try to hiit them hard.

    You’re 100% correct. A first year law student would have no trouble beating those charges in a court of law.
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    He’s not 100% correct. And neither are you.

    Any criminal charges that could arise from the incentivising to injure opponents would not be effected by “assumption of risk” or “expressed consent”. Criminal charges address the conduct of defendants. Period. To argue, somehow, that opposing players assumed the risk or “expressed consent” to the secret pooling of money to be paid out to whoever hurt them or their teammates just …. well, you’d have to be a first year law student, apparently, to see its irrelevance.

  81. jw5111 says: Mar 26, 2012 10:51 PM

    Bozo a law student:D

  82. kingfish4242 says: Mar 26, 2012 11:04 PM

    He’s not 100% correct. And neither are you.

    Any criminal charges that could arise from the incentivising to injure opponents would not be effected by “assumption of risk” or “expressed consent”. Criminal charges address the conduct of defendants. Period. To argue, somehow, that opposing players assumed the risk or “expressed consent” to the secret pooling of money to be paid out to whoever hurt them or their teammates just …. well, you’d have to be a first year law student, apparently, to see its irrelevance.

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    Sorry,but I am right and so is he. This very question was answered by an attorney that frequents our saints forum.

    Not only do players give expressed consent to get hit,proving intent to injure is nearly impossible in a criminal court. Any judge worth his salt would throw it out of court. Please don’t believe all this media sensationalism you’re hearing. That piece ran by ESPN on this subject was nothing more than what shock jocks do on radio.

  83. kingfish4242 says: Mar 26, 2012 11:09 PM

    Think about what you’re saying too. A Boxer could file criminal charges against an opponent that knocked him out and win under you’re scenario. If the opponent said “yeah,I tried to knock him out” he loses the case. The reason he won’t lose is the boxer he knocked out gave his consent to getting hit before he stepped into the ring. It’s the same thing on a football field. The NFL handled this internally,so why does congress or the courts need to get involved here?

  84. rexismybff says: Mar 26, 2012 11:10 PM

    (sound of phone ringing)
    Kraft: “hello?”
    Goodell: “Robert? This is Roger. H-h-how are y-y-you sir?”
    Kraft: “Raaager?? What do you want kid, I’m busy!”
    Goodell: “W-w-well, Mr. Kraft sir, I’m supposed to investigate to s-s-see if any of the clubs had bounty programs?”
    Kraft: “None o’ your business, you little turd. Go mess with that feeble-mind Benson down in New Orleans. Now scram!” Slams down phone. Goodell (writing note): “Thorough investigation of Patriots revealed NO violations…. Credible evidence links Saints to possible bounty program…”

  85. goldsteel says: Mar 26, 2012 11:17 PM

    Justify you draconian measures anyway you want Commissioner Goodell. The Saints season is done before it started. And with potential actions hanging over the Saints team, the Saints players have no incentive to play emotional, hard football. Don’t tackle, don’t hit, don’t run hard, don’t block well. The pay is the same and everyone will understand that Roger stuck it to the Saints.

    Perhaps, the Saints will be playing for the first pick in the 2013 draft? They should the NFL deserves it. Is there a better way to taint the spirit of the game. GOODELL BALL!

  86. bozosforall says: Mar 26, 2012 11:27 PM

    bsandcs says:
    Mar 26, 2012 7:44 PM
    bozosforall says:
    Mar 26, 2012 7:24 PM
    bsandcs says:
    Mar 26, 2012 7:07 PM
    here is bozos and his all consuming patriots psychosis again. even when the article has nothing to do with them.

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    It got you to cry like the little baby that you are, so my ploy worked once again. The joke is on you, bs.
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    lol bozos – im sorry but no one cries at your “ploys”. they are more humorous than anything. your overeager and repetitive insults of cry baby this and loser that just end up describing you more than anyone else. the fact that you put so much energy into hate is unfortunate.

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    Yet you idiot Pats fans continue to reply. It’s because you little crybabies can’t bear to be criticized about anything. A sure sign of the insecurity complexes that you all have. The joke is on you, as always.

  87. bretvidrine says: Mar 26, 2012 11:38 PM

    To all of you haters out there. Let’s be honest. Everyone knows that every NFL team does this or has done this. The “bounties” aren’t even the problem here. So what, we lied. Who F’n cares. It’s only March… The season doesn’t start till September and we all know this will be old news and the Saints will still be one of the NFL’s best teams.

    Payton really just oversees the week to week operations… He has put together a well oiled machine down here in New Orleans and we will be fine. I can’t wait to see all your faces when we are in the plqyoffs and winning as usual. But seriously, save your moral feeling for church. We are here to talk about football! :)

  88. sirblitzalot15 says: Mar 27, 2012 12:03 AM

    Can anyone tell me the difference between ”pay for performance” and incentives that are in these players contracts when they reach certain milestones?
    To me it sounds like the same thing, you get 13 sacks this season you earn a 500 thousand dollar bonus… Same thing right…

    Goodell paints this picture about player safety like the saints are hired hitmen eliminating players from the game. Besides the 2009 playoffs who did they take out? Half the clowns on here wanna say the Saints were hurting players, but outside of farve and kurt warner you cant even name somebody that got hurt. Its obvious you have no knowledge on what you commenting about.
    Vikings fans, get a life and get over 2009, yes it happened, accept it, I know it still hurts… Im’a pray for ya’ll, hey, ya’ll still have Prince…

    We the scapegoats but we still gon roll this season… And Dey Say, “Who Dat!!!”

  89. marcinhouston says: Mar 27, 2012 12:27 AM

    No team has ever admitted to having a bounty program until the league could completely prove it so every team that has had one has denied it exactly as many times as the NFL has questioned them about it. The Saints did nothing unique in terms of honesty about transgressions.

  90. nowillrepeat says: Mar 27, 2012 12:52 AM

    It’s funny listening to all you guys crying.

    Saints will still be good/ great in spite of all of you.

    Eat $h!t.

  91. 3kdad says: Mar 27, 2012 1:54 AM

    I’m having a hard time understanding the position of some of you. First, whether or not the Saints had this program in place cannot be disputed. The people in charge admitted to it, admitted to lying about it, and apologized for it. Case closed. Accept that it happened. For those in the “Everyone else is doing it” camp, this is not a valid defense. This excuse didn’t work for us as kids, doesn’t work for our kids, and shouldn’t fly now. I’m not a Saints fan but I cheer for them against any team besides mine. If I were a true Saints fan, I would be pissed off at those that put my team in this position. Is there one true Saints fan out there that feels this way, please?

  92. gobills716 says: Mar 27, 2012 2:02 AM

    I’m not a Saints fan and do not condone what they did but everyone is forgetting that the league “warned” the Saints multiple times before they actually took action against. If Goodell is really concerned with player safety, why did he allow the Saints the opportunity to “lie” to him multiple times??? If player safety was a concern to Goodell, he should have taken action immediately. It appears Goodell’s ego is the real reason why he came down so harsh on the Saints. Goodell didn’t cripple the Saints organization because of player safety, he did it because the Saints didn’t respect his authority.

  93. lnfinite says: Mar 27, 2012 2:14 AM

    They will do anything to protect their tainted trophy. Let the gumbo fans hate me for typing the truth.

  94. rabbdogg says: Mar 27, 2012 5:09 AM

    roger sucks monkey balls

  95. xxakshunxx says: Mar 27, 2012 6:02 AM

    Saints got in trouble for lying and the cover up, not because of the bounty.. nothing more than that

  96. macbull says: Mar 27, 2012 6:04 AM

    King Goodell has spoken…and ruled..

    …when the those under this King’s rule have had enough of his silliness, they have the power to vote him out…just as they voted him in.

    King Roger is the NFL owners problem now !

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