Comments on: With Samuel, Eagles could be sizing up another sucker

By: bleedinggreen68

bleedinggreen68 — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 13:54:12 +0000

Ok i know no one will read this but i have to say it….ive have heard enough about this RIDICULOUS idea that asante samuel was the 3rd best corner in the entire NFL last season. Theres sooo much to say on the subject of players and numbers and whether good numbers translate to effective play on the field. I will stick with assante and his circumstances last season. NFL teams, hell pop warner teams try to find a weakness they can exploit when they play another team. Thats what any sport is all about…matchups. does anyone remember what our weakness was last season? It seemed like the whole country was laughing at our linebackers and safeties…jarrad page?..half a season??. Some of it justified, some not…but my point is asante and Naamdi NUMBERS benefitted from teams attacking our linebackers more often than usual. It got to the point where castillo had asomugha covering tight ends. My point is there were less pass attempts to recievers when teams played the eagles which made the amount of times our corners were targeted seem less. Rememer tony gonzales? If we had guys that could cover him maybe julio jones would have had a bigger day. And all it would take is one receiver having a big game against asante and it would change those stupid numbers dramatically. Asante samuel sucks. Period. Jumping routes?? And making picks that very rarely are the deciding factors in games? He gives up way too much space at the snap. If his tackling were better that would be less of an issue but he tackles like my grandmother. Ok im done…I can write a frickin book on how the eagles blew 60 million dollars on this fraud of a player. Have a pleasant day.

By: ceskazbrojovka

ceskazbrojovka — Sat, 31 Mar 2012 18:05:18 +0000

the lions trade well too bussy, remember mayhew “mayhew-ing” jerry jones into 2 1sts for roy willaims?

By: mauricebrewington

mauricebrewington — Sat, 31 Mar 2012 03:06:49 +0000

@airup Google Joe Banner. He’s is the man in charge of managing the Eagles Cap, and he’s GREAT AT IT! We can honestly afford ANYONE WE WANT. We may not have any ssuperbowl rings, but we are THE WORLD CHAMPIONS OF CAP MANIPULATION! Learn a bit about the Eagles before you attempt to take on our fans on a chat board armed with nothing but the idiotic drivel of national football pundits who call us dumb for saying McNabb was done(which he was) and who twisted VY’s Enthusiastic “Dream Team” comment into some kind of false bravado which it was never intended to be.

By: dewalt2990

dewalt2990 — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:17:22 +0000

The passhappy NFL puts more pressure on the passrush than the defensive backs…IMO.

By: skrappie32

skrappie32 — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 15:56:32 +0000

When did the Lions even have manning ??? and as to who runs the city of Detroit the Former Detroit Piston Great Dave Bing has been doing a really good jog over the last few yeas since he took the Mayor position.
but since you what to talk about people running crap lets take Andy Reed you got a head coach that is to be a leader of men but in fact can’t even run his own house hold how can you lead a team to win a super bowl win you can’t even lead your own kids to stay off the pipe or quite banging needles in your arms.Philly fans what a joke they really are to the leauge.they are the kids on the block that Think they are the kool kids but fail to realize what it is that evey one else see’s is just a bunch of jack offs.

By: melonheadsdaddy

melonheadsdaddy — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:21:15 +0000

Ajpurp- DRC is still on his rookie contract asshat. How is that not affordable? Face it- our front office is better than yours. Deal with it. That is all. Times yours..

By: bossbertozzi

bossbertozzi — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:38:42 +0000

With that big of a contract, it would be stupid to trade anything for him

By: 4ever19

4ever19 — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:18:48 +0000

Trade big; draft small; sign free agents very very tiny. They don’t have a whole lot to show for their supposed mastery of the trading arena as far as on-field performance goes.

By: mlmeier

mlmeier — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:49:29 +0000

Also, props to @thesmiteofthewicked for giving credit where credits due. I always appreciate an NFC East rival who values logic over irrational fanaticism.

By: djaehne

djaehne — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:46:22 +0000

This is the same team that said seeya to Kolb and hello VEEEEEEE YYYYYYYY… yep, thats Eagle brains!

By: mlmeier

mlmeier — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:45:33 +0000

I understand that a lot of people hate the Eagles (even before the “Dream Team” fiasco); but is it just me, or does PFT’s coverage of the Eagles seem about as a fair and balanced as Fox News’ coverage of democrats/liberals (or, to be non-partisan, MSNBC’s coverage of republicans/conservatives)?

By: pallidrone

pallidrone — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:05:29 +0000

ajpurp – This has nothing to do with next year. It has everything to do with this year.

Can the Eagles keep Asante with a $11 million dollar hit next year? Yes they can. Is it stupid especially with the money invested in Nnamdi and the eventual money needed to spend on DRC? Yes it is.

It makes since to trade him now because there is still value for him. They can also keep him on the team right now and still have $15 million in cap space.

You are arguing about next year, when it has zip to do with anything. If the Eagles do not trade him this year, they are going to cut him next year.

They can afford him this year and that is all that matters.

By: philsgoodman

philsgoodman — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 04:52:56 +0000

Trying to evaluate a well-known NFL player by circumspection is pretty weak for an NFL writer, especially when you could easily look up Samuel’s excellent charting stats.

By: mauricebrewington

mauricebrewington — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 04:51:28 +0000

Those who say Assante doesn’t tackle speak from ignorance. Assante is more than a willing tackled. He is just very bad at it. So much so that I fear he will suffer a serious neck injury the way he lunges in head first. Eagles fans can attest to the number of times he’s come off the field with a “stinger”! Don’t buy into media talking poi.TS about players. I watch more Eagles games than most journalist who think they know the inner workings of our team. That said…..when the Eagles are done with a player its a kiss of death. Its probably the thing they do best from a personnel standpoint. Dawkins and Having strike me as the only occassions they have failed in that regard, and they re-acquired Janine so…Personally I’d like 22 to restructure and be moved into a centerfielder type roll where he can be a ballhawk behind a passrush that flusters QBs into bad throws, but I’m just a lowly fan, not a coordinator.

By: jacksaysfu

jacksaysfu — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 04:31:46 +0000

In reality Samuel should be worth a 2nd rd pick. He’s an all-pro CB (look at the stats) . Giving up an average of a 2 catches per game makes him a liability ? Learn the game haters !

By: transam7816

transam7816 — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 03:50:12 +0000

I’m with you ajpurp

By: jacksaysfu

jacksaysfu — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 03:45:31 +0000

For the last time , Asante only gave up 29 catches all year ,he only allowed 2 TD’s , and QB’s had the second lowest % throwing at him at 52.4% (only behind Revis) . His only knock was he only had 3 INT’s , which for most CB’s is more than acceptable . Complain about his contract all you want cause he already said he’s willing to restructure . Oh and
FYI , We got DRC cause we desperately
needed another DB and then the best Free agent & the best defensive back in the league (arguably) wanted to play for us at the last minute , how could we turn that down ? We cant keep all 3
cause Samuel and Cromartie are both
outside CB’s and DRC is 6 years younger
and 7 million cheaper ( which we need to resign Shady) . If a team gets the 5th best rated CB in the NFL (says profootballfocus) for a 3rd rd pick , that team will be getting a elite CB.

By: azjohnny

azjohnny — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 03:38:57 +0000

the only way I would trade for a CB that is in his early 30s would ne if the Eagles would pay part of his cap hit. like 50%

By: eaglesfan290

eaglesfan290 — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 03:05:12 +0000

Asante has been a Top 5 CB for 8-9 years and been to the Pro Bowl 6 times. Last year wasn’t his best year but Pro Football Focus has him rated as the 3rd best CB in the NFL.

All that for a 3rd round pick?

Look say what you want the guy gets paid because he is that good.

He is leaving because the Eagles are going to play more man coverage. New D in Philly thats all it has nothing to do with Asante.

By: ajpurp

ajpurp — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 02:55:21 +0000

Haha I don’t perceive myself to be any smarter than any Eagles fans on this site. The fact is, literally, everyone that writes professionally about football has said the Eagles will not be able to continue to afford Asante’s contract, he makes 9 mill then goes to 11. You can’t have three corner-backs on the roster making that amount of money. It is common sense. All the Eagles fans giving me thumbs down, wait a year or two and see what happens to your cap. And arguments about guaranteed money are ridiculous, because what you’re implying is that the Eagles won’t keep those players, in which case, of course they would have cap room! But if you cut the players making that amount of money, especially Vick, Babin, Etc. it means your blowing up the team, because you are not very good, in which case you still can’t afford Asante, just in a different way. Plus, you still have to pay McCoy, instead of arguing that you can afford the world how bout you wait and see. As of right now, common sense says, you can’t afford 3 corner-backs taking up the amount of cap space they are and still be able to field an all around solid team. Common sense, that’s why every analyst is saying it and why I am now, not because I’m “so much smarter” than all Eagles fans. Most are saying the same thing, except the ones on these message boards who feel the need to argue everything anyone ever says about their team.

By: drew05

drew05 — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 02:42:57 +0000

Asante makes his entire side of the field a liability…He doesn’t play within ANY defensive scheme, be it man or zone coverages…HE decides where he will cover and could care less what his responsibilities are…

If we can get a cheese sandwich in return it’s a win…he’ll be CUT if no “sucker” is found.

He cost the Eagles at least 3 victories last season, with his putrid defense. If a ball carier comes his way…he promplty get out of the way…I can’t wait to see him go.

Go Eagles!

By: 69firebird

69firebird — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 02:39:04 +0000

Danny boy Snyder should be calling any minute to offer two 2nd round picks and their first available 1st round pick. He will then promptly give him a 5 year extension and 50 mil guaranteed. And then cut him next year.

By: pjhurley5

pjhurley5 — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 02:36:09 +0000

@ ajpurp

I’m pretty sure the Eagles front office has the cap under control.

First of all, neither you nor anyone else right now has an idea of what the cap increase will be next year, so you really are blowing smoke when you say that the Eagles can afford Asante this year “and that’s about it.”

Second, you’re such a genius…I had NO idea that people backloaded contracts. Oh wait, that’s what cutting players and restructuring contracts is for. Conveniently, every NFL team employs people who know a lot more than you or I to take care of that. Also, you completely fail to cite the fact that the Eagles have built in an excellent “out” in their contract with Vick that can limit his cap charge if they choose to cut him in the near future.

Third, your comment about not getting as much for Samuel next year as we could this year because he doesn’t fit our system is nonsensical. If he doesn’t fit our system now (and he doesn’t), then he wouldn’t fit it next year…no impact on that front. A year older can’t help his value, but you never know 1.) how much he’ll play this year if we keep him or 2.) if anyone will be forced to be serious, aggressive players in acquiring a CB based on injuries, etc.

Fourth, considering the “out” in Vick’s contract you really only have a handful of players on the Eagles that have large contracts…Babin’s cap hit is less than 6.2m in all years on his contract, which is pretty solid considering he racked up about 18 sacks last year. Jenkins restructured. McCoy hasn’t signed a new deal yet. Jackson’s deal isn’t all that ridiculous (quite a few teams have receivers making what he’s making or more).

All in all, I’m not quite sure how you’re so certain that the Eagles are doomed, or why you perceive yourself to be so much smarter than other people (or all Eagles fans, apparently) who post on this site. Throwing out a general fact about cap numbers increasing towards the end of contracts and then naming some players doesn’t make a solid argument man. Regardless, nobody can project what will happen weeks in advance in the NFL, much less years. To think that you know more than Philly’s front office is asinine.

By: marinephinfan

marinephinfan — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 02:25:19 +0000

I’d love to see the old Patriot in a Dolphins uni. Not for the amount he’s asking, however.

By: lushy21

lushy21 — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 02:24:32 +0000

Looks like the Eagles are gonna get Mayhewed

By: geo1113

geo1113 — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 02:12:04 +0000

It would be interesting to see what you armchair GMs would have done with the information at the time. First, the QBs. Take J.P. Losman…Charlie Frye. ..John Beck…Drew Stanton…Jimmy Clausen. I guess the Cardinals could have taken Blaine Gabbert, Jack Locker or Christian Ponder instead of trading for Kolb and taking Patrick Peterson.

As for Demeco Ryans, if the Texans knew he didn’t the scheme, what was their alternative? Who had the cap space, didn’t have a 4-3 MLB, and could offer more than the Eagles? Someone tell me what better deal the Texans could have made for a guy they knew they needed to move.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Well, most of the time. We knew way back when that Sonny Jurgensen for Norm Snead was a bad deal.

By: eaglelover1

eaglelover1 — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 02:08:09 +0000

Yes the Eagles have no Lombardi Trophys…got that out the way….

The Eagles FO is head and shoulders above 30 of the other 31 teams……The Cap # of the Eagles will not rise any higher than the rest of the League and they will still be in positon to make moves and fleece other teams….don’t be a hater your whole life…..

By: andyreiddoublecheeseburger

andyreiddoublecheeseburger — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 02:05:51 +0000

The suckers being sized up are the ones who think Andy Reid is an elite coach.

By: relly142

relly142 — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 01:54:29 +0000

Ajpurp, what you don’t realize is that most of these contracts aren’t guaranteed. Vick has something like $3 million left guaranteed after this year, Babin has nothing guaranteed after this year, deseans guaranteed money is $15 million, about the same as Pierre Garçon, a steal, Jenkins just restructured, Demeco has nothing guaranteed after this season, and every player they just re-upped (cole, herremans,etc) all have stagnant cap numbers moving forward.

Do some homework before commenting on a team your not a fan of. The Eagles can afford to lock up 4 shady McCoys if they wanted. They can’t win anything, but us eagles fans never have to worry about cap troubles. The Eagles will be able to bring in any player they want at any time. Now, if only they’d realize that safety and Linebacker are real positions (Hopefully Meco plays well)

By: teal379

teal379 — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 01:54:07 +0000

mojosmagic says:
Mar 29, 2012 9:12 PM
The guy has more picks then anyone in the league over the last 4 seasons.

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Asante Samuel – 3,7,9,4 = 23 INT’s

Charles Woodson – 7,2,9,7 = 25 INT’s

25>23