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That would be the definition of a “reach”

Again, you are talking about Tannehill! Who gives a rats ass about Tannehill. The point I will continue to make is the completely inept organization that is the Dolphins! THEY NEED A QB!!!! NOT TANNEHILL!!! NOT THE 3rd RATED QB, who was a 2nd rounder until recently!!! God knows the Dolphins have gone through enough of them!!!Trade up to the top of the draft & get one after all these years, or we will still be talking about this in another 13 years!!! YOU KEEP MISSING THE POINT!!!!!!!!

Applecool: my point was if a organization thinks a QB is their franchise QB u get him no matter what like jets and Redskins did when trading up and like the VIKINGS did when selecting Ponder while everyone else was screaming REACH

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Gotcha. That is true; if you’re probably not going to be able to select that player with your next pick and can’t get a good trade deal to make it worth trading down and selecting him, then yes, you have to do it. I’m not saying that Tim Tebow is a good or will ever be a good QB but teams were expecting him to go in the second round and a team traded up into the 1st, just a few picks after they selected a play and grabbed him; if he’s the guy that you believe in and there’s no value for any other player that you could select, then what choice do you have but to do it.

None. Zero.

True. But what use is picking a QB if that QB doesn’t solve your problems? You gonna take Kirk Cousins at #10 overall just b/c he’s a QB?

And ask yourself this: If your team was sitting at #4 and both Adrian Peterson and Christian Ponder were available, which one would you take?

You just made my point! Time to finally get a QB. And his name is not Tannehill! Do what good franchises do, trade up to get the highest rated Quarterbacks! Or should we wait another 13 years?
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Speaking of points, I’m pretty sure you missed mine. Yes, both Miami and Cleveland need to FINALLY get THE QB. But just because Tannehill is the highest rated QB left on the board does not make him THE QB. In Miami or Cleveland, Tannehill will have a lot of pressure to play right away on bad teams with limited weapons.

I don’t feel that will be a good situation for a developmental guy like Tannehill, and if you’re taking him that high in the 1st round, if he doesn’t work out (which I think is more than likely with those 2 teams), then he sets that team back another 3-4 years.

Both fanbases are desperate to have their QB problems solved, but you only have to look back to last year’s draft to see that reaching for a QB isn’t necessarily a solution.

Although not a huge need in Stl. it’s going to be hard to pass on Trent Richardson. Steven Jackson isn’t a spring chick anymore and the injury bug has been plaguing him recently. In either case, I stand by my original point and say Tannehill will be available at 8 when the Phins pick.

My gut feeling just says the team that passes on Claiborne is going to regret it later. I’m not a LSU fan and say this without any bias.

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It doesn’t matter if you have a stud Wr. if you don’t have someone throwing him the ball. Think Moss in Oakland and Steve Smith in Carolina prior to Newton.

If the Dolphins want Tannehill,just sit tight and he’s likely there when you guys select at #8

I’m not saying I’d draft exactly like this,but I see it falling this way

Indy- Andrew Luck
Wash- RG3
Minny- Matt Kalill
Cleveland- Justin Blackmon
Tampa- Mo. Claiborne
Stl- Michael Floyd- probably too early,but the 2nd best after Blackmon.
Jacks- Reily Reif- Like the above poster says,don’t be shocked if he turns out just as good as Kalill

Dolphins- Tannehill.

However of the Browns want Tannehill, it would be stupid of them to not trade with the Vikings to make sure they get him. For those of you who right now are crossing your arms in disdain as you read that, think Fantasy Football. How many times have you passed on the player you really wanted because “it’s too early”, only to have a rival “reach” for said player who lights you up all season long?

That’s why you go get the guys you want, and smile smugly as you’re whipping the tar out of all the nimrods who squealed “REACH!” when got him.

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Honestly, I don’t think the Vikes can go wrong either way. The Colts and Skins are taking a far bigger risk Imho. You just don’t know how a Qb is going to work out.

The reason I said I would go with Claiborne was I believe a Shutdown corner is harder to find than a great LT. It was also due to the Wr’s and Qb’s who play in the same division. Historically speaking,you try to build a team to win the division and let the chips fall once the playoffs roll around. The goal for the Vikes right now should be to beat the Lions and Packers. Both of those teams have pro bowl Qb’s and Wr’s. If you don’t have that shutdown corner,your chances of beating them consistently fall drastically.

The Saints won a Sb,with a 4th round pick starting at LT in Jermon Bushrod. In fact,the rest of the line were late rounders as well

LG Carl Nicks- 5th round’

Center- Jonathan Goodwin. – FA, originally a 5th round pick of the Jets.

RG- Jhari Evans- 4th Round

Rt- John Stinchcomb- 2nd round,his replacement is Zach Strief who was a 7th rounder.

My point is good o-linemen can be found later in the draft just like Rb’s. if you want that shutdown corner,be prepared to spend a top 5-10 pick getting him. They are very very rare birds and Claiborne is one.

If you think Richardson is the draft answer for the Browns look at Peterson with the Vikings last year. He was great but they were still awful. If your team does not have strong play from the QB position you have little hope.

YouTube highlights of Tannehill:

“Its amuses me reading all u ignorant fans talk about how theirs NOWAY they trade up band draft him. Do you know these GM’s personally? Are you the person calling the shots on draft day? I assume not. These team put a lot of time and effort looking at these players to find out if they fit their programs and if they are their franchise QB. If the Browns really want him and fill like another team will trade up to get him then they WILL trade up, and if the Seahawks or Dolphins really want him and think the Browns will take him at 4 then they will give up a kings ransom to get him! That is the way the NFL works. If u think a guy is your franchise QB u do what u need to do to get him. The Vikings did it with Ponder, the Jaguars did it with Gabbert, the Jets did it with Sanchez, the Redskins just did it with what were assuming is RG3, and teams have been doing it for years. You want someone u go get him nomatter what anyone else thinks bc he’s your guy!!!”

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I don’t think the Vikings traded up to get Ponder; I believe he was taken at 12, their original pick. The Jags only gave a second round pick to move up seven spots to number ten with the Redskins to get Gabbert. They jets also didn’t give up a future 1st round pick to get Sanchez; they fleeced the Brown and their former coach at the time, Eric Mangini. They gave up their original pick, somewhere in the teens, their second, and unimportant players from Mangini’s regime to move up to six I believe it was to draft Sanchez. It was a reach but they didn’t over pay in draft compensation to get him. None of these examples were giving up the farm.

Leave it to the “offensive gurus” there to sign off on taking defensive players with both first rounders! And thus 13.8 ppg will remain status quo and they will have to peel Colt off the turf with a putty knife.