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Bayou backlash is building

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When the NFL first disclosed the existence of a three-year bounty system maintained and administered by the Saints, one of the immediate concerns became the reaction in New Orleans to the punishments that were, at the time, still undetermined.  Over the past six seasons, a once-downtrodden franchise had become one of the proudest in the NFL, and in February the Super Bowl returns to the Superdome for the first time in 11 years.

In the immediate aftermath of the rash of suspensions, including the one-year banishment of head coach Sean Payton, there were no signs of any local anger or resentment toward the team, with a 98-percent season-ticket renewal, ongoing expansion of the waiting list, and a full sellout of all suites for the 2012 season.

It’s also believed that folks in New Orleans won’t revolt against the Super Bowl, and that more than enough will volunteer to do whatever needs to be done to do justice to the week-long party that will interrupt the even longer Mardi Gras party.

The bad news is that the citizens aren’t happy with the league, and specifically with Commissioner Roger Goodell.  As MDS pointed out last night, fans rallied on Sunday in support of Payton.  As Peter King explains it in MMQB, with a picture of Jimmy Buffett wearing a “Free Sean Payton” T-shirt, “There’s a groundswell of anger in New Orleans, from what I can tell.  Where it’ll lead, I don’t know.  But I know New Orleans.  It’s not going to go away, regardless of how Goodell rules in the four appeals he must consider beginning Tuesday. . . .  Remember the booing Goodell got at the NFL Draft last year?  That could sound charitable compared to the reception he could hear in New Orleans during Super Bowl week.”

Before any Saints fans go over the top in their anger toward Goodell, two important facts need to be remembered.  First, the league office (with Goodell serving as No. 2 to former Commissioner Paul Tagliabue) promptly stepped in and slammed the door on any possibility of owner Tom Benson using the devastation of Katrina as a pretext to move the Saints out of town.

Goodell addressed the potential frustrations of Saints fans at the league meetings last week.  “I understand the frustration of the Saints fans, and I have great respect for them,” Goodell said.  “We will be there with them for Super Bowl at the conclusion of this coming season.  I worked very closely as we were getting the Saints reestablished after the hurricane, so I saw firsthand the Saints passion and their fans’ passion.  I clearly understand that frustration, but everyone has to understand that there are 32 teams, and everybody is going to have to operate by the same rules.  If we don’t do that, the integrity of the game, and what fans love about the game, will be impacted negatively.  And that is my responsibility.”

That leads to the second point.  Saints fans need to realize that the stewards of the franchise were on notice in 2010 that the league was aware of bounty allegations.  The persons interviewed by NFL Security lied about it at the time.  To close the book on the situation, the organization needed only to abandon the bounty program.  Instead, the league later determined that bounties continued for two full seasons, in direct defiance of the league office.

There are still plenty of chapters left in this book, not the least of which will be the suspensions imposed on the defensive players who were funded and/or received payments from the bounty system.  It’s one thing to suspend guys who don’t wear the uniform on Sundays.  When the men who don the fleur-de-lis get forced to the sidelines by the league office, the fans will be more than flabbergasted.

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  1. Max says: Apr 2, 2012 9:04 AM

    Payton Delivered a Super Bowl to the Saints! Enough said, people in New Orleans aren’t going to turn on a down-trodden man that carried them to a Super Bowl.

  2. electionconfidential says: Apr 2, 2012 9:05 AM

    Well if they’re angry they should just take out bounties on other teams players to teach the league a lesson…. Oh, no wait…..

  3. sportmentary says: Apr 2, 2012 9:05 AM

    Good job pointing out that Goodell isn’t against the city or its fans. He was their champion after Katrina.

    Too bad Goodell didn’t take the super bowl to another city but I guess it’s too late to plan for that, so he was stuck.

  4. kegrun says: Apr 2, 2012 9:06 AM

    Screw the Saints

  5. infectorman says: Apr 2, 2012 9:06 AM

    What do they expect after what Payton and Loomis allowed Gergg-Blackjack-Williams to instill in to the culture of this team?
    An award for running the most corrupt team in NFL history?
    The parallels between this (mis)management team and American politicians in general are astounding

  6. chc4 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:07 AM

    Saints fans are showing how ignorant they really are. Apparently rules and human decency don’t apply to them. What a bunch of whining losers.

  7. mhs8031 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:09 AM

    If Brees had been permanently injured by the Vikings and never made the Super Bowl, and these same fans discovered that there were bounties on their franchise QB, would they feel the same way?

    If you want to support cheaters and liars, go ahead, but they did this to their fans more than any other group. Wake up, Big Easy.

  8. frojo112963 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:10 AM

    I know this will be pulled, as my posts always are. For what reason, I don’t know. There is nothing ever abusive or vulgar in them.

    That being said, What is your utter disdain, borderline hatred for the Saints? It isn’t even just about this “scandal”. You are negative and abusive in almost everything you write in regard to the Saints. At least be man enough to say it instead of hiding behind the guise of being a blogger or “journalist”.

  9. tinkletinkleonyourstar says: Apr 2, 2012 9:11 AM

    i wonder if the fans in the picture above are getting death threats from catholic fundamental extremists?

  10. bigbillsfan says: Apr 2, 2012 9:11 AM

    No one is turning their back on Payton. The issue here is what he knew and DIDN”T do as a head coach, which was to step in and stop this behavior!

  11. jacks40 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:12 AM

    Paul Tagliabue gets credit for keeping the Saints in New Orleans. This has been established already.

    If fans want to boo Goodell that’s their business. Whether Goodell was right or wrong in handing out his punishment doesn’t take away fans right to boo.

    Goodell wants to be a 1 man judge, jury, and appeal court, then he gets the public scorn that comes along with that.

  12. jimbo75025 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:14 AM

    Max says:
    Apr 2, 2012 9:04 AM
    Payton Delivered a Super Bowl to the Saints! Enough said, people in New Orleans aren’t going to turn on a down-trodden man that carried them to a Super Bowl.

    ________

    Not really. A poorly officiated game vs the Vikings and an errant throw by Peyton Manning delivered a SB to the Saints.

  13. xxwhodatxx says: Apr 2, 2012 9:15 AM

    I’m not saying someone will do something crazy but Goodell would be smart to go straight from the airport to the Dome and straight back after the SB. It would not be advised to walk around the city before,after or anytime from now on.

  14. zenofobe says: Apr 2, 2012 9:15 AM

    Williams and Payton pretty much gave the league and Goodell the finger when first approached about the bounty allegations. Payton had a chance to come clean, he didn’t, and now he and the his franchise deserve to be punished.
    I feel bad for some of the Saints fans, but not the whodatards and geaux-bleauxers with misplaced sympathies.

  15. bumbler19 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:15 AM

    Those whining Saints fans can kiss my backlash…

  16. runfaraz says: Apr 2, 2012 9:16 AM

    This is America, famous people who are cheaters and liars aren’t supposed to be punished.

  17. Patriot42 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:17 AM

    Where as some fans would excuse knife fights on the field and excuse murder if it would give their team a chance to win I can see where some fans can be unhappy with their outrage toward Goodell.

  18. marthisdil says: Apr 2, 2012 9:18 AM

    Saints fans are morons. The guy IGNORED the NFL saying “hey, tell your guys to stop the bounty thing” back in 2010 and he let it happen for a couple more years.

    He deserves to be banned, permanently, from the league, along with the other coaches who didn’t stop it, as well as players like Vilma, etc, that the league can prove paid into the system.

    Same applies to ANY coach/player on ANY team that did the same type of thing.

  19. mjkelly77 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:19 AM

    What do you expect the fans to do? Worry less about appeasing the fans and more about the long-term effects of the decisions being made.

  20. farmmbig says: Apr 2, 2012 9:19 AM

    Waahhhhh— Cry all you want Saint fans— Your organization is not above the rules and be happy that the punishment (especially in terms of draft picks) was not more severe.

    Signed,

    Minnesota Timberwolves Fan.

  21. btintampa says: Apr 2, 2012 9:20 AM

    Is New Orleans prepared for the backlash to their backlash?

    They seem to have the idea that “nothing we do is wrong,” when their own coaches admitted they did and it was wrong.

    As a fan of another NFC South team, I have never had anything against New Orleans. I do now.

  22. drummer2177 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:20 AM

    Join the cult of hate toward the Commish!

    –Signed, Redskins’ Fans

  23. CKL says: Apr 2, 2012 9:21 AM

    Why are those tshirts Steelers colors?

  24. rpiotr01 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:22 AM

    “Saints fans need to realize that the stewards of the franchise were on notice in 2010 that the league was aware of bounty allegations.”

    You assume that the average Saints fan is a rational animal – capable of reason and reflection. Not so.

  25. dagnon13 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:22 AM

    Max:

    They shouldn’t turn on him, but this blind faith in a man and his staff that chose to keep the Bounty System in place is ridiculous.

    He has done something very wrong and is paying for that, but it seems the NO fans only care about wins at any cost, even if that means significant injuries to their opponents.

    Shame on all of them, fans, coaches and players alike.

  26. saintsly says: Apr 2, 2012 9:23 AM

    Nobody in Saintsdom is going to deny that a penalty was due for “Bountygate” but lets get real………While our coach is the leader of the team, it has not been proven that he had anything to do with it. Peyton only admitted to it happening under his responcibility Thats why you have a Defensive coodinator. It’s his responcibility to take control of the defence and he cococted the bounty pool. Williams was suspended for one year and that was OK because it was his plan but because he is nolonger with the Saints, Goodell took it out on Payton. Had Williams still been with the team I doubt Payton would have been suspended. The penalty does not fit the crime but Goodell needed to hit the Saints since it was on their team and not the Rams where Williams went to. All the Saints Nation would have been OK with an eight game suspension but a year long is very excessive and affects not just the team but the whole fan base.

  27. bigwinintx says: Apr 2, 2012 9:23 AM

    The guy brought you a Super Bowl win and a scandal… It’s easy to tell which one takes a higher presidence with the fans.

    If anything the Saints should cherish this ring and cut all ties to the guys who brought shame to their uniforms but they won’t.
    They’ll just continue to laud and praise a group of goons who brought shame on a legacy that should have had a feel good ending after Katrina. Sean Payton will land on his feet, Greg Williams will eventually coach again and the players will pay their fines out of their huge contracts, but the guys on opposing teams that took those cheap shots will feel them every time they bend down to tie their shoes or forget how to get home from the corner store, and that my friends is what the NFL is trying to put an end to.

  28. 4512dawg4512 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:23 AM

    Every time I find myself getting tired of this whole “bounty” thing I think of Roman Harper’s ridiculously late hit on Steve Smith in the end zone last year and the reality sets in. The Saints were playing dirty, glad I’m not a Saints fan

  29. clintonportisheadd says: Apr 2, 2012 9:23 AM

    Instead of being angry at Goodell, the local rubes need to be directing their venom at Loomis, Payton, and Williams.

    It reminds me of a woman walking in on her hubby cheating with another lady and she yells and screams at the other woman! The hubby gets a pass.

    And so it is here. And the problem starts with Tom Benson. If the owner (whose direct orders to stop any bounty activity were ignored/violated by these guys) doesn’t feel they did anything wrong then why would the fans?

    However, I see this mood doing a 180 soon enough. Once the Saints go to 3-5 or 4-6 the locals will turn their anger toward the right individuals.

  30. thejuddstir says: Apr 2, 2012 9:24 AM

    What a sad franchise. They wore bags over their heads for 20 years to show their shame of their team. They love their owner even though he has been trying to move the team for years. Their GM and headcoach sanction a hit squad. Their players forsake their values and ethics to purposely try and harm their fellow players. The franchise is told two years ago to knock off the bounty system but lie about it and continue doing it for another two years. When confronted with the evidence the franchise continues to lie up until the very last day. The criminals involved claim to accept responsibility and apologize but then waste more of the leagues time by appealing their punishments. What they were sanctioning would get a person out on the street thrown in jail and possible prison but yet these clowns think the got punished too hard……….and their fans keep drinking the kool-aid. Move the damn team to LA……or even Omaha.

  31. souldogdave says: Apr 2, 2012 9:24 AM

    They should have taken away the honor of hosting the Superbowl.

  32. weepingjebus says: Apr 2, 2012 9:24 AM

    Payton then offered each Saints fan $10 if they can knock Goodell out of the Super Bowl.

  33. herrmannator1810 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:25 AM

    Payton Delivered a Super Bowl to the Saints! Enough said, people in New Orleans aren’t going to turn on a down-trodden man that carried them to a Super Bowl.

    No Matter how many felonies he committed and oversaw, how many careers he endangered, and how he put the entire NFL anti-trust standing in jeopardy. Yep, they will stand by their “great” pill popping, lying, cheating, and god-fearing man.

  34. vikingdoode says: Apr 2, 2012 9:27 AM

    Taint fans should be more mad at Payton, Loomis, Vitt, Williams… I understand you really can’t be mad at the players they have to make every penny they can. The NFL life span as an active player is roughly 2.3 years? Even though the minimum wages is 400,000.00 per year before taxes and agents. Question for the players do ya really need the extra thousand dollars for motivation to play beyond your ability if you do there is something wrong with you…

  35. nolarules says: Apr 2, 2012 9:27 AM

    “a once-downtrodden franchise”
    ———————————————–
    Come on now. This is from a Saints fan who has been a season ticket holder all of my life… We were not once-downtrodden… We were rated year in year out as one of the most feeble franchises in all of sports until 2006. A few good teams but nothing special (except for the dome patrol). Payton is a hero in this town. Always will be. And the protest you were talking about earlier only consisted of a few hundred fans if that. Most Saints fans realize our front office and coaches are to blame in all of this. Do we like the fact that he dropped such a huge hammer? No. Should they have been punished? Absolutely. Do we think the penalties of excessive? Certainly. But life will go on. And he stopped from doing what this site kept on suggesting and would have turned the Super Bowl week ugly: taking away the franchise tag and letting Brees walk. If he had done that, he would have been best served staying out of this area for the rest of his life. But he did not. There is no football being played till September. When the games start, things will calm down as long as he does not go out of his way to make the Saints uncompetitive (which he still does have the ability to do). Super Bowl week will be festive as always with New Orleans throwing the sort of party only this city can. There was no guarantee the Saints were going to sniffing the Super Bowl anyway (too many good teams in the NFC right now).
    And at the end of the day, this city will remember Tagliabue (with Goodell by his side) kept this team (defying Benson) in New Orleans when this city needed it most.

  36. mojosmagic says: Apr 2, 2012 9:27 AM

    Football fans would sell their own mothers into slavery if it meant getting into the playoffs. Saints are lucky the league didn’t come down harder and all their protesting doesn’t mean a thing.

  37. lks311 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:28 AM

    Max, no need for the city to turn on Payton, but, to not acknowledge that the league office was central to keeping The Saints in Nawlins after Katrina would be a mistake, as well.

  38. pixelito says: Apr 2, 2012 9:29 AM

    Must be tough when you’re only Superbowl title is erased from the books.

  39. jerrod777 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:29 AM

    Saints fans should be disappointed, hurt, and even a little angry. But it is not Roger Goodell that should be their target. If Payton and others did wrong, they need to suffer the consequences. Lying to investigators, intentionally trying to hurt other players, and whatever else that went on are still wrong and will always be. Enough said.

  40. joetoronto says: Apr 2, 2012 9:30 AM

    It’s a win at all cost mentality nowadays, especially for small market teams.

    Let them yap, it won’t matter anyway.

  41. Manbearpig says: Apr 2, 2012 9:30 AM

    Yeah Max, he had to cheat to do it. Personally I’d rather not win the Super Bowl then win a tainted one.

    2009 Super Bowl Champions – New Orleans Saints*

  42. attyken says: Apr 2, 2012 9:30 AM

    If Goodell had any balls he would strip the Taints of their tainted Lombardi.

  43. truthhurtstoo says: Apr 2, 2012 9:31 AM

    who dat fans are being dumb. Take your well earned lumps and understand that the coaching staff is to blame. And no, everyone else was not doing it.

    Or… burn cars in the street if it makes you feel better.

  44. phreakin says: Apr 2, 2012 9:34 AM

    I’m so “proud” to be an American when we have people that will forget anything as long as it’s winning them a title in some sport. Rapist? He won us a superbowl or an NBA title! ALLEGED murderer? He won us a superbowl!!

    WHO DAT? DAT is karma catching up to the Saints coaching staff.

  45. whitecastleisafoodgroup says: Apr 2, 2012 9:34 AM

    @Max says:

    Payton Delivered a Super Bowl to the Saints!

    ———————————————

    So what? Joe Paterno delivered national championships to Penn State but turned a blind eye to what was going on in his organization and got fired.

    Payton turned his back on not just a steak dinner for sacks but big time money to take players out of the game.

    Get your priorities straight.

  46. klunge says: Apr 2, 2012 9:35 AM

    No surprise here, people don’t like being held accountable for their own actions. And when one of “their own” is in the wrong, they jump to the defense and try to sheild them from suffering due penalty. It’s bigger than football, this attitude is what’s wrong with society in general nowadays, this issue is just one example.

    If it were some other team, these same people would be ready to round up a mob bearing torches and pitchforks.

  47. knowerofallthings says: Apr 2, 2012 9:35 AM

    Don’t shoot the messenger

  48. rosieoutlook says: Apr 2, 2012 9:36 AM

    This is an assault on professional football and everyone better realize it before it’s too late. The people of New Orleans are angry and it will boil over. It just takes us longer to get angry. Goodell just decided to pick our team because he thought we were an easy mark but he was wrong. He’s trying to protect his himself from litigation from all of the has-been pros out there. Now they are talking about criminal charges against specific players. The lawyers of the world are the only happy people out there. Other teams will soon have similar problems. You better close ranks soon.

  49. toolkien says: Apr 2, 2012 9:36 AM

    A person being punished for breaking rules, lying about it, and continuing to break rules, isn’t the best definition of being “down-trodden”.

  50. robf2010 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:36 AM

    The offense was so serious that it rated a “cut it out” in 2010. Here in 2012, it’s now worth a “throw the book at ‘em”?

  51. kronix7 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:37 AM

    Great article, nobody expects the Saints* fans to give up on their team. Stand up against your teams misconduct. That’s all the other 32 teams fans ask. Support your team during this crisis but don’t be a victim of your teams stupidity. Accept it and move on. There is proof, otherwise TH wouldn’t have slapped such a heavty fine and suspensions on your team. Nobody at the leagues office wants this for the simple reason that it reflects bad on the league. Coach Williams admitted to the league that it was happening. Payton finally admitted that it happened. What about the email from Payton ” put me down for $5,000 on Rogers” Jonathan Vilmas 10,000 on farve. It’s wasn’t for lack of trying on Farve that’s for damn sure. If it was another team that had a bounty on Drew Brees you all would be all for RG decision. Your right about one thing Saints* fans it is your team against the world now. There will be a lot more incentive to play your team. Those of you crying foul now, font start crying foul when other teams “players” playing for vengence. Atleast there won’t be money involved. Wise up Saints* fans and don’t let ignorance define you.

  52. selgaeinla says: Apr 2, 2012 9:37 AM

    “It ain’t the crime, its the cover-up.”
    Signed Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon.

  53. kronix7 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:38 AM

    Other 31 -

  54. kronix7 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:40 AM

    Well I jacked up my post but you all get the gist of it.

  55. musicman495 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:40 AM

    I knew Paul Tagliabue. Paul Tagliabue was a friend of mine. Roger Goodell, you’re no Paul Tagliabue.

  56. amaf21 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:41 AM

    Saints fans are also in favor of clubbing baby seals. What else is new?

  57. j0esixpack says: Apr 2, 2012 9:41 AM

    Fans in New Orleans have discovered what many already know.

    Goodell sets policies based on the winds of public opinion of those who know NOTHING about football (the numerous ignorant and stupid statements about Spygate continue to illustrate that even today.)

    The Saints “sin” was less that they employed bounties and more that they were stupid about it and made Goodell look bad.

    In Goodell’s nebulous rulebook, that’s a cardinal sin!

  58. sudz28 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:43 AM

    This doesn’t surprise me; New Orleans officials are known for being some of the most corrupt in the nation (remember the video of the cops walking around Walmart and stealing DVD’s and such in the immediate aftermath of Katrina?), so law-breaking and rule-bending is seen as a perfectly normal and natural thing for folks to do in this part of the country.

    They don’t think it’s wrong to break the law, they think the rest of society is wrong to call them out on it.

  59. charliegirl1 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:44 AM

    I’m sure the commissioner highly values Jimmy Buffet’s opinion on player safety and the integrity of the game.

  60. xxwhodatxx says: Apr 2, 2012 9:45 AM

    whitecastleisafoodgroup says:
    Apr 2, 2012 9:34 AM
    @Max says:

    Payton Delivered a Super Bowl to the Saints!

    ———————————————

    So what? Joe Paterno delivered national championships to Penn State but turned a blind eye to what was going on in his organization and got fired.

    Payton turned his back on not just a steak dinner for sacks but big time money to take players out of the game.

    Get your priorities straight.

     ——

    Are you really trying to compare the bounties with child molestation??
    I think it’s you who need your priorities righted.

  61. kronix7 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:46 AM

    Let them keep their lombardy trophy, let it be a reminder to them what they won and how they won it.

  62. musicman495 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:47 AM

    Football fans would sell their own mothers into slavery if it meant getting into the playoffs.
    ———————————
    Yes, and Roger Goodell would sell his own mother into slavery if it meant saving the NFL from a jury in this head injury case. That is the main reason for the severity of these penalties, and why they will not be reduced.

  63. musicman495 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:48 AM

    Payton turned his back on not just a steak dinner for sacks but big time money to take players out of the game.
    —————————
    You have no idea whether that is true because you have not seen the evidence, and neither has anyone else.

  64. sixjak says: Apr 2, 2012 9:48 AM

    After spending an entire cruise wid a bunch of HOO DAT crazies after their their loss to SF in the playoffs, I’m not the least bit surprised.

  65. demoderbydoug says: Apr 2, 2012 9:49 AM

    Forget the madden curse, looks like their is a host curse for the super bowl. Look at Dallas, Indy, and now New Orleans. No matter the outcome of the suspensions this will be a distraction all season and not to mention they haven’t been able to get a long term contact with Brees. I’m not bashing the Saints it just makes me curious how successful they can be this year. Who ever soul have thought the Colts would go 2-14 with Payton Manning on the roster.

  66. golonger says: Apr 2, 2012 9:49 AM

    All these bounty evangelists need to get a clue. People act like the Saints are the only team to be penalized for illegal hits. But go look at the facts. The Saints have NEVER received the most penalties in ANY year. If people in here are going to say the Saints “cheated” (which is laughable), go talk to the teams that had MORE penalties than they did…go talk to Harrison who is the king of “illegal hits”. The ridiculouslness of this is out of control. Bounties are NOT the cause of any TYPE of hit…nor do they allow teams to “cheat”. Players ALWAYS want to knock other players out of the game…if you disagree, you are clueless about the game and have OBVIOUSLY never played. Doesn’t matter if there is a bounty or not.

  67. theytukrjobs says: Apr 2, 2012 9:50 AM

    Who cares if they lied and cheated? Who cares if they make up their own rules.

    All that matters is winning. That is the NFL’s message to your children.

  68. TaiwanMike says: Apr 2, 2012 9:50 AM

    Is there any punishment the Saints’ fans would view as being fair other than no punishment? They have to understand two things: Gregg Williams and the upper levels of the Saints’ organization put opposing players’ livelihood at undue risk, and the Saints were warned repeatedly about their actions and those warnings were ignored. The penalties fit the crime in this case.

  69. pack15forever says: Apr 2, 2012 9:51 AM

    Let’s blame Roger Goodell for the Saints breaking the rules. That makes a lot of sense. So this is Goodell’s fault because he imposed a harsh punishment for the Saints illegal actions. You have got to be kidding. Poor Saints everyone hates them. They are being picked on unfairly. I wonder why!

  70. gweez76 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:52 AM

    Rise up New Orleans. Rise up Dallas. Rise up Washington and Oakland.

    Rise up against the puppet of Mara and Kraft. Until the idea that ALL franchises are equal. Not judged on the owners proximity to the NYC headquarters but the content of our franchises character.

    I have a dream.

  71. seals1 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:52 AM

    All you have to look at is how this city and people treated eachother and helped themselves during Katrina. The whole city folded like a cheap suit and started acting like savages. Here we are again asking Goodell to bail you out at the same time you are cussing him out because you have to pay for your actions.

    Stay Classy New Orleans

  72. thejuddstir says: Apr 2, 2012 9:53 AM

    I’ve made about a dozen posts of this kind and have yet had a Taints fan answer, come on Taints fans, show us your true colors! If your neighbor offered $10G to someone to come over to your house and assault YOU, what would be your reaction????? I’m waiting for an answer Taints fans. They like to spin and dispute the facts of bountygate but yet none will answer a simple question.

  73. vtopa says: Apr 2, 2012 9:55 AM

    Is this story a story, or is it some kind of condescending advice column for Saints fans???? Saints fans should bow down to Goodell because he wouldn’t support abandoning NOLA for San Antonio? Are you kidding me? That is the vapid comment I’ve ever seen on this site. Goodell made that decision because moving the Saints would have been a BAD BUSINESS decision, not because he cared about the city. The entire country would have trashed the NFL as bad guys, and the NFL would have lost its sterling reputation. IF they could move the Saints (or Vikes, or Jags) to a bigger market city without the fallout of bad press, they WOULD.

    The NFL has made a TON of money off the Saints and the city of New Orleans in the past 6 years. From the reopening of the Superdome to the Super Bowl in 2009, the city and this team has been a cash cow in terms of TV rights and NFL product sales. The NFL took ADVANTAGE of the tragedy to make a lot of money with that “city rises from the ashes” storyline. To suggest that the fans owe the NFL something is half the story…they owe the city something too, and these suspensions, which objectively harm the competitiveness of the team are excessive. This is a bad business decision on the NFL’s part, period.

  74. conbro8 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:55 AM

    I like how the Giants won 2 Super Bowls post-9/11, while the Saints won a Super Bowl through illicit tactics and the whole world had to hear about Katrina in the meantime. N.O. residents didn’t heed warnings to evacuate the city before the hurricane, and the coaching staff didn’t heed league warnings regarding their bounty system. Cry me a river, Saints fans. Your team was wrong. Actually, don’t cry me a river– the levees might burst.

  75. conbro8 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:57 AM

    And with the Giants winning those Super Bowls, we didn’t have 9/11 shoved down our throats.

  76. mjkelly77 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:57 AM

    gweez76 says:Apr 2, 2012 9:52 AM

    Rise up New Orleans. Rise up Dallas. Rise up Washington and Oakland.

    Rise up against the puppet of Mara and Kraft. Until the idea that ALL franchises are equal. Not judged on the owners proximity to the NYC headquarters but the content of our franchises character.

    I have a dream.
    _________________

    You have a fantasy, Martin. The Saints were guilty, got caught, and now it’s time for their punsihment. It’s that simple.

  77. geo1113 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:59 AM

    Great post, klunge.

    And Mr. Benson, how can you tolerate your head coach lying to you? Does he get a pass because he won a Super Bowl!

  78. kungfubillysims says: Apr 2, 2012 9:59 AM

    Wow. It really says a lot about the Saints fan base when, instead of being disgusted by the fact their team used a bounty system, they are angry with the NFL for imposing a penalty for them doing so.
    And Payton “accepts full responsibility for his actions” but he’s appealing his suspension? I hope it gets lengthened .
    Can I tell you Saints fans what makes me mad? the fact that even after the league called you out for your bounty system you still used it in the playoff game against my Lions. But I probably shouldn’t care right?
    Time to start accepting the consequences of your teams actions instead of crying like babies.

  79. lombarditrophies says: Apr 2, 2012 10:03 AM

    I have always been a bit of a Saints fan but fan anger towards the commissioner and/or the League is misplaced. Be angry at people that thumbed their noses at the at the other 31 teams, the players’ union, and quite frankly the fans. Payton might be an excellent coach but he put the whole Saints’ organization at risk by turning a blind eye from the systematic and blatant rules violations.

  80. tombrookshire says: Apr 2, 2012 10:03 AM

    The NFL will demonstrate that it is much more powerful than any fan group, or city or state government. In light of the revenues that the NFL generates and in particular, the SB, no city or state government is going to stare down the NFL in support of a coach. May be showy public sentimentality, but the NFL is able to quickly quell any bounty backlash with a simple threat to pull the umbilical cord of NFL cash.

  81. golonger says: Apr 2, 2012 10:04 AM

    thejuddstir – my reaction would be the same if they came over and tried to do the same and there WASNT $10G on the table…no difference at all. Still illegal. Bounties do not equal illegal hits. Your analogy is moronic!

  82. conbro8 says: Apr 2, 2012 10:04 AM

    I can’t wait to see headlines about the Saints “with their backs against the wall”. Somehow, they’ll come out the “victim” in this. Drives me NUTS.

  83. shotgungrampa says: Apr 2, 2012 10:04 AM

    As a Vikings fan for over 40 years it would have been a story book year had Favre lead us to the Superbowl in 09. Then road off into the sunset. Although I will never know how much t he b ountys affected the outcome of that year it is still hard to have to live with the “what ifs”. Surely Saints fans can understand us Vikings fans feeling that way.

  84. mikelitoris1 says: Apr 2, 2012 10:07 AM

    Damn those swamp people are greedy…. they’re not happy with enough money or superbowls. But they can’t protest if they’re kicked out of the league.

    Just sayin’

  85. rugdog100 says: Apr 2, 2012 10:09 AM

    MF — Where’s your smarta$$ comments? Can’t figure out why you show respect to Saints fans and not some others.

  86. thejuddstir says: Apr 2, 2012 10:09 AM

    Tainted fans……perhaps you should be thankful your “beloved owner” didn’t get punished becuz there’s no way in hell he didn’t know about all this…………..otherwise he is the stupidest owner in the league and you don’t become a billionaire by being stupid. 2009 SB Champions…Taints*

  87. sdelmonte says: Apr 2, 2012 10:09 AM

    I was utterly shocked when my father in law, a thoroughly decent and moral man but a native of New Orleans, told me he thought the punishments were not at all deserved, especially since everyone else was doing it, too. If this is coming from him – and he’s not really a rabid sports fan by any stretch of the mind – I can imagine what the real fanatics are saying.

    Even if, quite honestly, I have no sympathy at all for Payton, and even if I hope that if any of my teams were caught acting this way, I would not let loyalty cloud my judgment.

  88. billsfan27 says: Apr 2, 2012 10:11 AM

    Any fan base who can’t see the problems at hand with bounties/lying to the face of the boss deserve the problems they now have.

  89. kokomike says: Apr 2, 2012 10:12 AM

    Katrina was seven years ago. New Orleans gets the Final Four in 2012, the Super Bowl in 2013. In between, they engage in bounties to hurt players, and it appears that they were successful hurting Brett Favre in the NFC championship on way to Super Bowl championship.

    And, so ends all that great empathy we all had for NOLA. No better, and, it appears, much worse than most.

    I really do think players, teams, and fans will have added incentive to make NOLA losers in 2012. It will be the bounty for the bounties.

  90. comeonnowguys says: Apr 2, 2012 10:12 AM

    Even if they do backlash, what’s the worst that happens?

    Football was fine and dandy before 2005 when the bandwagon was empty.

  91. golonger says: Apr 2, 2012 10:14 AM

    shotgungrampa – bounties didnt affect it at all. The poor performance by the Vikings offensive line did!

  92. tduhe1 says: Apr 2, 2012 10:16 AM

    Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah…………….All you Saints haters out there need to get over it. You, as well as that idiot Goodell have literally made a mountain out of a molehill. Bounties, scandals, cheaters – all Bull$;/@. You’re just looking for an excuse to hate our team because you are jealous. Jealous of our success, our culture, and the fact that we don’t give a &$@: what you think. Get a life people, and WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN DAMN TEAMS!

  93. trubroncfan07 says: Apr 2, 2012 10:18 AM

    The dislike for Goodell has been building with fans for some time, this is just one piece to the puzzle. Say what you want but he does have a bad perception right now, and should work on changing that.

  94. desertviking64 says: Apr 2, 2012 10:18 AM

    They cheated and got caught, eat it Nawlins.

  95. sportmentary says: Apr 2, 2012 10:18 AM

    a few points:

    1)If it were Brees who had been targeted by another team, Aints fans would be crying bloody murder.

    2)Loomis & Payton lied to the NFL when originally questioned. They had a chance to come clean but didn’t.

    3)The NFL needs to set an example here. The league could face potential law suits if it did nothing or assessed light penalties. If they did nothing, Legislators would force the issue and no one would be happy.

    Aints fans need to come to terms that their beloved Payton, Loomis and Benson did this to themselves. They lied to the NFL and made the situation much worse for themselves. Had Payton come clean, he probably would have been looking at a 4 game suspension. He’s the idiot!

  96. couldntthinkofaname says: Apr 2, 2012 10:24 AM

    All these bounty evangelists need to get a clue. People act like the Saints are the only team to be penalized for illegal hits. But go look at the facts. The Saints have NEVER received the most penalties in ANY year. If people in here are going to say the Saints “cheated” (which is laughable), go talk to the teams that had MORE penalties than they did…go talk to Harrison who is the king of “illegal hits”. The ridiculouslness of this is out of control. Bounties are NOT the cause of any TYPE of hit…nor do they allow teams to “cheat”. Players ALWAYS want to knock other players out of the game…if you disagree, you are clueless about the game and have OBVIOUSLY never played. Doesn’t matter if there is a bounty or not.
    _____________________________

    Wow, a “if you disagree with me, you’re stupid” post. How’s fifth grade going?

  97. klunge says: Apr 2, 2012 10:25 AM

    I know humble pie doesn’t taste too good, but after being administered a beatdown by Alex Smith I’d think Saints fans would be used to it by now. Now it’s time for another slice, it’d be better if you just choked it down quick and get it over with.

  98. randamonious says: Apr 2, 2012 10:27 AM

    With New Orleans, it always appears to be someone else’s fault. We saw it wih Katrina. We saw it with their elections. We are now seeing it with their Coaching staff. Come On New Orleans – accept responsibiliy!

  99. redstar504 says: Apr 2, 2012 10:28 AM

    The rest of America will never understand New Orleans/the whole of Southeast Louisiana. It is just diffrent here for some ways better not so much for other ways.

    Here is the thing on the Saints and the bounties. We really don’t care what the Saints did or didn’t do. At the end of the day coach payton is one of us and you don’t mess with one of us. Easy enough consept to understand.

    Here is a second one a little bit harder. Folks in New Orleans are very apt to see poeple for what they are meaning if your not being real with people it gets picked up on quickly. People here can see right thru this and call it for what it is, a sham job. The NFL is protecting its self from lawsuits by making an example out of the Saints. They had evidence on us unlike other squads, even tough loads of it are out there in the media just googel it. The media is feeding on it like a hord of locust on a tree. We see this and we are angry.

    We are not going to let it go either. For thoes of you out there that think we will get angry at payton and company if we loose your wrong. Loosing will just make us more angry at the comish. Winning is going to make us more angry because we will be spiteing the NFL.

    There is no way we won’t be angry unless the NFL backs off the insane punishments they doled out.

  100. m2karateman says: Apr 2, 2012 10:30 AM

    Saints fans can be angry and upset all they want. Fine, you support the head coach. Great. Do you realize he lied to the league? Do you realize they had every opportunity to stop doing what they were being accused of, and avoid all this punishment? But no, Saints fans don’t care because, after all, they are victims.

    Stop playing the victim, New Orleans. If your child lies to you about something fairly serious, you’d punish them, wouldn’t you? Same thing.

    Your team is not the league. Your team is not above the rules of the league. Your team is not better than any other team in the eyes of the league. And it was the league that ensured your team would remain in New Orleans after the devastation of Katrina.

    You owe gratitude to the league for the Saints still being in New Orleans as much as you do to Sean Payton and Drew Brees for making the team a contender.

  101. cwmorga says: Apr 2, 2012 10:32 AM

    @klunge says: Apr 2, 2012 10:25 AM

    I know humble pie doesn’t taste too good, but after being administered a beatdown by Alex Smith I’d think Saints fans would be used to it by now. Now it’s time for another slice, it’d be better if you just choked it down quick and get it over with.
    ——————–

    Beatdown?

    You haters are hilarious. It just goes to show you that most of you are scared of the Saints. If this was the Browns or Vikes you wouldn’t care and we wouldn’t have 15 bounty articles per day on PFT.

  102. gmen1987 says: Apr 2, 2012 10:38 AM

    Take your punishment like grown men and women, Saints fans.

    There is a backlash against the Saints and their fans. Maybe next time a hurricane hits New Orleans (and it will happen) perhaps the American people won’t be so willing to help.

  103. bigredscouting says: Apr 2, 2012 10:39 AM

    The amount of people reacting to this post and as football fans in general suprise me. People just go right to believing what they are told. You tell me bounties were out on all these players…which in a couple circumstances I believe there were…then where are all the penalties and injuries? It’s a load of bull. This is the same thing as the Redskins and Vowboys cap problem, retroactive rulings when there is no foundation for them. I’m not ok’ing intentionally harming someonme, but I never saw the Saints do that. If people opened their eyes, they’d realize the same thing. I’d love some proof, but no one has shown me the flagged and fined hits. The hits were clean. I get that it hurts the perception of the league, but if this, along with everything else he’s done, doesn’t prove Roger Goodell is the worst commish in all of sports, I’m not sure what does.

  104. schmitty2 says: Apr 2, 2012 10:40 AM

    frojo112963 says: Apr 2, 2012 9:10 AM
    I know this will be pulled, as my posts always are. For what reason, I don’t know. There is nothing ever abusive or vulgar in them.

    That being said, What is your utter disdain, borderline hatred for the Saints? It isn’t even just about this “scandal”. You are negative and abusive in almost everything you write in regard to the Saints. At least be man enough to say it instead of hiding behind the guise of being a blogger or “journalist”.

    So..what do you propose he do, stand in front of the Superdome and yell it out on a bullhorn? Having his name attached to a post and showing his face on tv isn’t exactly hiding

  105. golonger says: Apr 2, 2012 10:42 AM

    couldntthinkofaname – NO, stupid is the people that think what they think when they have NO KNOWLEDGE WHATSOEVER…yes, that’s stupidity, sorry….it is what it is……if you dont believe me, ask ANY NFL player (away from the media) and see what they say. NO player is simply trying to tackle his opponent and get him on the ground. None…period…zip…every team that playes Drew Brees is trying to knock him out of game…period….

  106. cwmorga says: Apr 2, 2012 10:46 AM

    @golonger says: Apr 2, 2012 10:42 AM

    couldntthinkofaname – NO, stupid is the people that think what they think when they have NO KNOWLEDGE WHATSOEVER…yes, that’s stupidity, sorry….it is what it is……if you dont believe me, ask ANY NFL player (away from the media) and see what they say. NO player is simply trying to tackle his opponent and get him on the ground. None…period…zip…every team that playes Drew Brees is trying to knock him out of game…period….
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    Solomon Wilcotts and Carl Banks said as much on NFL Radio this morning. They said every play they were looking to knock someone out of the game. Not with intent to injure, but put ‘em on the sidelines. PFT posters seem to have their collective head in the sand.

  107. franniesheppard says: Apr 2, 2012 10:46 AM

    If Roger Goodell cared so much about integrity and the Saints fans, he would have ripped the legs out from under the Saints team before the Saints season tickholders had to make their payments on Friday, 03/16/2012. But no, because Roger cares so much about the Saints fans he decided to let that deadline come and go and only then let the Saints fans know that they wouldn’t have a team this year. That’s Roger Goodell’s take on integrity.

  108. marcinhouston says: Apr 2, 2012 10:47 AM

    Saints fans are mad because there is evidence of admissions in newspapers that Williams had similar bounty programs in all his other recent coaching stops, and would have formed one with the Rams if Goodell waited 1 year, but Gooddell chose to strike only against the Saints and says there is no evidence of bounty programs with other teams despite open admissions of players and staff on those teams. It seems like Goodell wants to cover up the issues with other teams and is buying Williams silence by turning the focus to Payton.

  109. shotgunn63 says: Apr 2, 2012 10:49 AM

    My favorite thing about this whole mess is hearing the Vikqueen cry babies whine and complain again…you are still losers….haha

  110. farmmbig says: Apr 2, 2012 10:50 AM

    Should we expect anything better from these people?….

    Look no further than that mom whoe openly showed disappointement toward her son on ESPN for choosing to play at Alabama instead of LSU…

    You people are whacked!

  111. thejuddstir says: Apr 2, 2012 10:51 AM

    golonger says:Apr 2, 2012 9:49 AM

    All these bounty evangelists need to get a clue. People act like the Saints are the only team to be penalized for illegal hits. But go look at the facts. The Saints have NEVER received the most penalties in ANY year. If people in here are going to say the Saints “cheated” (which is laughable), go talk to the teams that had MORE penalties than they did…go talk to Harrison who is the king of “illegal hits”. The ridiculouslness of this is out of control. Bounties are NOT the cause of any TYPE of hit…nor do they allow teams to “cheat”. Players ALWAYS want to knock other players out of the game…if you disagree, you are clueless about the game and have OBVIOUSLY never played. Doesn’t matter if there is a bounty or not.
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    golonger……it’s rather obvious who the “moronic” one is. I won’t every try to help you understand my previous post. In response to your post above, just another irrational perception on your part. Let’s for a moment (not too long) try and follow your rationale from above. With everything you said being perceived as truth or fact, then it begs a rather simple question, “why the need for the bounty?” if it doesn’t matter if there is one according to you, becuz players are already trying to knock a player out of a game……sic.

  112. annes22 says: Apr 2, 2012 10:53 AM

    Just take the punishment and shut up. You deserve whatever is coming to you. Can’t wait to see what happens to Mr Peyton tomorrow with his appeal. I’ll bet the commissioner doesn’t have much mercy on him, and he shouldn’t. You did it, you were told, and still you carried on and won a Super Bowl.
    With 30,000 pages of evidence, that should tell the tale.

  113. biggerballz says: Apr 2, 2012 10:56 AM

    scumbag fans who are about as moral as payton

  114. ningenito78 says: Apr 2, 2012 10:56 AM

    Profootballtalk’s coverage of the bounty stuff is getting pathetic. These guys have literally become Roger Goodell’s mouthpiece. To reach and say Saints fans should keep in mind that he was the number 2 behind Tagliabue in keeping the team in New Orleans after Katrina is about as stupid as it gets. This site’s reference as the bounty’s being ‘cash for cripplings’ is sad enough.

  115. therpol says: Apr 2, 2012 10:57 AM

    NO Saints fans please get back to reality. 1. Breaking a rule is one thing, lying about it to your boss is another-for two years Payton lied and continued something he was told to stop doing. 2. Google NFL concussion lawsuits and see how many potential plaintiffs are lining up to sue the NFL, NFLPA, et. al. (Guess who pays for the settlement?). 3. You all have forgotten about the Vicodin fiasco? Payton got off on that one but Goodell read the settlement documents.
    4. Mike Ornstein and his connects to “other folks” and Payton allowing him free reign of the building and inside information. You should be happy it was only one year. Stop your whining!

  116. cags777 says: Apr 2, 2012 11:00 AM

    Saints fans: Please do me and the rest of the league a favor by staying away from Bourbon Street (or in Jimmy Buffet’s case, Margaritaville). You need to accept the facts that your team not only put out bounties against opponents and used it to win. They were also warned about it in 2010, but continued to operate with the program and then lie about it after they were confronted about the program – again.

  117. erod22 says: Apr 2, 2012 11:01 AM

    Of course they’re mad. Folks in New Orleans know all about a rap sheet. These charges seem like jaywalking in those parts.

  118. baddegg says: Apr 2, 2012 11:02 AM

    I think the statute of limitations has run out on “Katrina Guilt.”

  119. stanklepoot says: Apr 2, 2012 11:05 AM

    “Remember the booing Goodell got at the NFL Draft last year? That could sound charitable compared to the reception he could hear in New Orleans during Super Bowl week.”
    ________________________________
    Maybe, but we won’t see it too much. The SB isn’t an event overly populated by locals. It’s becoming more and more a corporate event, with companies buying up seats and giving them out to certain workers as bonuses or bringing clients along to schmooze them. There are still a number of normal fans that go to the SB, but it’s not like it will be a Saints home game or anything. So, no matter what the response of the locals might be to Goodell or the league office as a whole, it’s not something we’ll see at the SB itself.

    Oh, and Saints fans need to grow the heck up. Your team got caught doing something wrong. Even worse, they got caught doing so after 3 years of lying to the league in an attempt to cover things up. To make what the Saints did even more stupid, they continued the bounty program for 2 years after the league informed them they were being investigated for it. It’s like they thought they were untouchable…and that kind of attitude never bodes well for you if you do eventually get caught. The fact is, Saints fans are being hypocrites. If it were a rival team that got busted, like too many fans these days they’d be gloating about it like they just won a big game. No punishment would be too severe. When it’s their team, however, it’s an outrage. At the end of the day, something is either right or wrong. What the Saints did was wrong, both the bounty program itself, and the calculated and organized attempts to cover it up. They got what they deserved, and I’d say the same thing if it were my Eagles that got caught doing what the Saints did.

  120. golonger says: Apr 2, 2012 11:07 AM

    cwmorga – thanks man…..good to see someone else knows something in here! LOL

  121. bduncanscott says: Apr 2, 2012 11:08 AM

    IT’S ABSOLUTELY HYPOCRITICAL AND RIDICULOUS WHAT’S HAPPENING TO THE SAINTS!!! I’m not even a Saints fan but for Goodell to lay an extreme punishment like that on them supposedly to protect the “integrity” of the league after he himself bribed the labor union(NFLPA) and colluded to make a back room deal to steal cap space from The Cowboys and Redskins in order to cover up bad business decisions on his part is evil and HYPOCRACY on a biblical level! This off season shows me Goodell has noooo idea wtf to do in his job and listens to the media to figure out how to punish people. He’s made a Joke of the NFL and just seems to have NO problem taking a dump in the face of the NFL players,teams,and fans. If I were a saints fan I’d probably burn his house to the ground and drag that crooked bastard behind two horses through the streets of the French Quarter

  122. golonger says: Apr 2, 2012 11:12 AM

    thejuddstir – jeez….you ARE stupid. Do you really think players NEED a bounty to play at full speed? Full speed means punishment. One cannot play at full speed and worry about NOT hurting the opponent..can’t happen. No, players do NOT need a bounty at all…it is purely for team building, bragging rights, etc..it is extra motivation..and it has been around forever (maybe not at the structured level of NO but). Like players have said….”it is just extra money for what I do anyway”…..and that’s a quote. Not end carres mind you but…knock them out of the game….

  123. dannersthemanners says: Apr 2, 2012 11:13 AM

    Someone broke my window last night. My neighbors said it was aliens from outer space. I asked several neighbors and that’s what they all said. Therefore, by Goodells’ logic, I should levy a year long suspension on aliens and fine anybody that helped the aliens break my window. When the aliens appeal, I will say, “clearly these aliens from outerspace lied to us all.”

  124. ningenito78 says: Apr 2, 2012 11:14 AM

    Saints fans are angry because of how heavy handed the commissioner was with them but with the Pats and their scandal, he hid the evidence from the public and never suspended anyone. BS.

  125. redstar504 says: Apr 2, 2012 11:14 AM

    Again to all of you name one player the Saints hurt? Name one? You can’t. Yes they hit Farve hard but no harder than anyone else would have. He was an old immobal QB we had to hit him everyone copied the stratgey the next year and he was done.

    Everyone tries to hurt players between DeAngelo Hall saying the Skins were going to put hats on Romo’s ribs to the Giants saying they had to get hits on the SF retuner because of his concusion issues. Guess what, players playing defence try to hurt people allways have allways will. That isn’t the issue. That the Saints had some player funded compensation system going on for positive plays is the issue. Trying to cover it up is the issue.

    The player saftey issue that has all of you fools riled up has no business being linked to this. If you think the Saints are the only team to try to hurt people take a look in the mirror at your own team before you start throwing arrows.

    Trying to knock an opponent out of a game is part of the NFL.

  126. robf2010 says: Apr 2, 2012 11:16 AM

    “With 30,000 pages of evidence, that should tell the tale.”

    I hear they have 50,000 pages. No truth to the rumor that the report is in 72 font.

  127. gimmeabruschi says: Apr 2, 2012 11:16 AM

    This just in: The backlash against the Bayou backlash is building. Take your bending over like a man and shut up. You deserve it.

  128. jonny42671 says: Apr 2, 2012 11:19 AM

    We were there for them for Katrina by giving them the Superbowl !

  129. ningenito78 says: Apr 2, 2012 11:20 AM

    AHAHAHAHA!! Reading through the comments. It’s funny as hell how other fans are acting. The Saints have arrived! All these ‘take your punishment! You deserve it!’. HAHA. I love it. Embrace it Saints fans. This will be what propels them to their 2nd championship.

  130. daknight93 says: Apr 2, 2012 11:25 AM

    enough is enough with this bountygate drama…I’m just turned off by the same rehashed articles about the saints…this circus goodell has created is senseless…where did the owners get this guy from…planet mars…OMG, he’s gotta be rated the worst commissioner in any sport. Can we have a normal and quiet offseason of football, without this circus surrounding the saints and bountygate each day…geez

  131. deathmonkey41 says: Apr 2, 2012 11:29 AM

    Goodall can care less- as long as his Master, Robert Kraft isn’t booing him.

  132. kamakiriad says: Apr 2, 2012 11:35 AM

    If the owner is Roger Goddel’s best friend = ZERO games suspension for your coach cheating.

    If the owner is Tom Benson = SIXTEEN games suspension for your coach.

    If your coach cheats for 2 years ordering staff to videotape games your fine is $250k

    If your coach cheats for 3 years by allowing defensive coordinator to run bounties $8 million fine.

    Saints fans are rightfully pissed because of the obvious favoritism directed at the Patriots and the obvious bias directed at the Saints by the commissioner. Considering numerous players have admitted that there are bounty pools on at least half the teams in the NFL, but no one was cheating like the Patriots to gain advantage…the question is not why is Sean Payton getting 16 games….we get that. It is why Belichek got ZERO?

  133. jackers252 says: Apr 2, 2012 11:35 AM

    Couple things. The Saints fans just want all the doors closed. We know that a lot of this went on leading all the way up till the Saints got hammered. We don’t want the league to take the easy way out by just closing their books because they don’t think anyone else will do it. If everyone else was STILL doing it (look at the NYG and Kyle Williams as the most recent example) then that needs to be investigated to the fullest. And that is just because the media (like you, Florio) paint the Saints in an unfair light and throw around terms like “cheaters” or “pay-to-cripple” that just play off the emotions of 31 other teams’ fans.

    Listen to the former players that explain what this “bounty” program really was. Look to the officials and people who review the games for fines. Nothing the Sainst did was way out I character.

  134. tv426 says: Apr 2, 2012 11:35 AM

    So Goodell was helpful to the Saints after Katrina? You mean like giving the Saints a “home game” in NY against the Giants? And a “home game” the next season in London? You mean like that?

    What is lost in all of this is that no one got hurt relative to the “bounties”. No one!! Guys did get hurt as the result of legal hits that are no different than any game played in the NFL on every week of the season. The Saints didn’t win because of any “bounties”!

    NE actually directly cheated to win games, over many years, but they got a slap on the wrist.

  135. geo1113 says: Apr 2, 2012 11:36 AM

    redstar504 says:
    Apr 2, 2012 11:14 AM
    Again to all of you name one player the Saints hurt? Name one?
    ———————–

    So by your logic, if anybody offers someone money to kill their spouse and they don’t do it, no one has been harmed and it should be forgotten.

  136. EJ says: Apr 2, 2012 11:39 AM

    If you don’t want to do the time, don’t commit the crime.

  137. saints25 says: Apr 2, 2012 11:41 AM

    @sportmentary saints o-line is 1 of the best In the NFL,They protect Brees.Unlike the Vikings o-line.Saints will be one of the Top NFL Teams again this year…An Saints fans will enjoy every minute of it to.An not one damn thing you bunch of 18 year old kids can do about it…….FIRE ROGER GODDELL

  138. moagecu says: Apr 2, 2012 11:41 AM

    nolarules says:
    Apr 2, 2012 9:27 AM

    “a once-downtrodden franchise”
    ———————————————–
    Come on now. This is from a Saints fan who has been a season ticket holder all of my life… We were not once-downtrodden
    _____________

    History would argue against you. It took your beloved franchise 20 years to get their first winning season. They FINALLY won their first playoff game in 2000, 33 years after beginning as a franchise.

    Your Saints have made the playoffs 9 times in 45 years. By comparison, my Baltimore Ravens have made the playoffs 8 times in 16 years..

    Your franchise was a joke until post Katrina deal with it.

  139. redstar504 says: Apr 2, 2012 11:42 AM

    thejuddstir says:Apr 2, 2012 9:53 AM

    I’ve made about a dozen posts of this kind and have yet had a Taints fan answer, come on Taints fans, show us your true colors! If your neighbor offered $10G to someone to come over to your house and assault YOU, what would be your reaction????? I’m waiting for an answer Taints fans. They like to spin and dispute the facts of bountygate but yet none will answer a simple question.
    _______________________________

    Your analogy is flawed. Does one sitting in their own home expect to be hit? Does one in a uniform on a football field playing offence expect to be hit by a defender?

    I would be angry about getting hit in my house and angry at my neighbor. You don’t expect to get assulted in your house.

    As a player on the field I would expect to get hit anyway. I would get up and laugh that another team tought that highly of me to put a bounty on me. It is part of the game getting assulted as you say.

  140. kronix7 says: Apr 2, 2012 11:47 AM

    Saints* are a good team but they didn’t have to employ a bounty system. You break the rules, you get caught. Face up to it. Saints* fans is that how you raise your children? You break the rules just don’t get caught, okay. Really?? The game is about inches “like a chess match” It’s not about ending some kids careers that play the game. People that don’t get that, I don’t get.

  141. starderup says: Apr 2, 2012 11:47 AM

    The bagheads got off EASY, and they should shut their pie holes.

  142. radrntn says: Apr 2, 2012 11:49 AM

    Does anybody else find it odd that nobody has heard from Tom Benson?

  143. pmars64 says: Apr 2, 2012 11:49 AM

    If you think the Saints are the only team that has had bounties and has lied about it, you’re a fool. Football isn’t about decency, it’s about inflicting violence. Players on teams of every level of amateur and professional sports are coached on how to hurt opposing players. A defense’s job is to do anything possible to get star players out of the game by hurting them. Look at any game of your favorite team in the past few seasons and how many times did one the players on your team try to hurt someone. If you won’t or don’t, then stop with this hypocritical righteous outrage. Will you stop following your team if you see one of your players trying to hurt another?

  144. thejuddstir says: Apr 2, 2012 11:51 AM

    golonger says “..it is extra motivation..”
    ——————————–
    I won’t get into name calling with you, as it’s quite clear that you don’t even understand your own puzzling rationalization. You claim the players “don’t need the bounty to do their jobs…but then say it “serves as extra motivation”. I won’t bother responding to any more of your tainted colored glasses as your own statements disprove your arguement. I’m sure Payton and Loomis are glad they don’t have you representing their appeals tomorrow as I suspect their suspensions would be extended.

  145. sullijo1 says: Apr 2, 2012 11:52 AM

    Maybe they’ll start looting the homes and businesses around them again??

  146. kronix7 says: Apr 2, 2012 11:54 AM

    Those of you who want to compare the game how it was early on think of this, you watch a game from each era and watch how sloppy the game was compared to now. Games are far more fluid now. The game is better now. I have no problem how rough the game was back then. Rules are inplace for all 32 teams, not just 31 teams.

  147. mikgaes says: Apr 2, 2012 11:55 AM

    This wouldn’t be the first stupid cause that Jimmy Buffet spirited.

    How about we let the rest of the league put out a bounty on Drew Brees then? How would the New Orleans fans feel about that?

    Stupid is as stupid does in the bayou.

  148. geauxsaintsforever says: Apr 2, 2012 12:03 PM

    pixelito says:
    Apr 2, 2012 9:29 AM
    Must be tough when you’re only Superbowl title is erased from the books.

    ____

    I’ll go out on a limb here and guarantee that our Super Bowl Championship banner will be hanging proudly in the dome during the 2012 season. If you feel so sure it’ll be “erased”, I’d be happy to bet you some money on that. It’s amazing how much anger is coming from other teams’ fans on this website when you know if it was their team in this situation they’d be cursing Goodell too. Who Dat!

  149. The Prophet says: Apr 2, 2012 12:05 PM

    Just like their team and coaches the Saints fans are a bunch of immoral people who can’t accept punishment for wrongdoing.

  150. zenithel says: Apr 2, 2012 12:19 PM

    Boycott New Orleans until they come to their senses!

  151. melikefootball says: Apr 2, 2012 12:20 PM

    Saint fans need to get over it, the darling team of the South got caught. As many other team were having players fined and suspended they thought the Saints were above it all. A lot came from Katrina and all the aftermath to the people of the city and was understandable by all. The Saints were warned , the coach took responsability and they were suspended for just cause. The players that were directly involved should also feel the punishment.

  152. tv426 says: Apr 2, 2012 12:25 PM

    mikgaes says: Apr 2, 2012 11:55 AM

    This wouldn’t be the first stupid cause that Jimmy Buffet spirited.

    How about we let the rest of the league put out a bounty on Drew Brees then? How would the New Orleans fans feel about that?
    ____________________________________
    Um, it would be just like every single week that Brees steps on the field. EVERY team wants to knock the QB out of the game. If you really think a $1k bounty is going to motivate a millionaire to hit harder than he would anyway, then you are a stone idiot!

  153. tulanekenny says: Apr 2, 2012 12:47 PM

    Informed opinions against the saints are one thing but seems like much more of a “mob mentality” here a PFT. Here is what you need to know about what we saints fans are whining about:

    No saints fan is saying what they did wasn’t wrong and wasn’t deserving of some level of punishment. What the saints fans are saying is its a bunch of hypocrisy to act like it is in the name of safety….because if it were truly safety, goodell would’ve stopped it himself all those years ago. Why? because in ANY business where safety is number one, anybody witnessing an infraction has the right and responsibility to stop it, from sean payton himself to roger goodell..just as culpable. No goodell would rather whisper a suggestion to stop while gather all the evidence to use to his benefit. it was still wrong and saints were responsible but just don’t be so naive as to pretend safety is the issue…secondly people try to claim its because payton lied and tried to cover up and that’s why its so much worse than spygate beyond “safety” …well belichek was told to stop, didn’t, lied about it and then tried to cover it up. So from that portion of your argument we have precident and the severity of his punishment certainly didn’t increase as a result.

    Disagree with me or any saints fan all you want, but please make it an informed opinion based on FACTS, not what a boob like florio tells you

  154. ningenito78 says: Apr 2, 2012 12:53 PM

    Yeah the math doesn’t add up. If teammates are offering a few thousand dollars to ‘cripple’ opposing players, the undertone is that the hits would be cheap shots. Yet the NFL fines players routinely $25,000 and up for cheap shots. The whole thing makes zero sense.

  155. ejmat2 says: Apr 2, 2012 12:55 PM

    How about also remembering Goodell allowing the refs to get away with what happened in the 2009 NFCCG. Without his support the Saints never win a superbowl.

  156. folkcrusader says: Apr 2, 2012 1:01 PM

    Translation: We don’t care what they did, we won a Superbowl.

    Same thing in New England, how is this a surprise?

  157. kronix7 says: Apr 2, 2012 1:01 PM

    I’m sure that the other teams that employed Williams did have some sort of bounty system in place. But that is speculation but to say that other teams did it to is pure speculation hence not proven. So your argument there is moot. The fact is the Saints* however were caught. They denied that it was going on and got caught. You Saints fans are delusional to even bring that argument up. You keep us all laughing for sure and I thank you for all of this entertainment. You really do prove that human beings are still primitive. Delusional Saints* fans is what keeps this bantering going.

  158. jagsgrl says: Apr 2, 2012 1:04 PM

    really saints fans… you need to get over it and lose your holier-than-thou attitude…quit your crying and take your medicine

  159. all32 says: Apr 2, 2012 1:04 PM

    And the Swamp People rise up and feed Roger to the gators during Super Bowl week.

  160. hoops737 says: Apr 2, 2012 1:07 PM

    My flabber has never been so gasted

  161. kronix7 says: Apr 2, 2012 1:08 PM

    I’m sure it wasn’t so much about the money with the Saints* players but more about the accolades from their coaches durr.

  162. rjg427 says: Apr 2, 2012 1:11 PM

    “Remember the booing Goodell got at the NFL Draft last year? That could sound charitable compared to the reception he could hear in New Orleans during Super Bowl week.”

    Well… think of the reception the saints are going to get in the 8 away games…err plus the 2 preseason away games..they have…

    I cant wait til they come to Metlife Stadium!

  163. lengai says: Apr 2, 2012 1:18 PM

    mhs8031 says:
    Apr 2, 2012 9:09 AM
    If Brees had been permanently injured by the Vikings and never made the Super Bowl, and these same fans discovered that there were bounties on their franchise QB, would they feel the same way?

    If you want to support cheaters and liars, go ahead, but they did this to their fans more than any other group. Wake up, Big Easy.
    ____________________________________

    This is an absolutely silly statement. Favre went back into the game and lead an epic come-back drive which Favre then ended all by himself by throwing an INT.

    It’s amazing to me that the folks posting here will not allow themselves to realize that pay-for -performance was known by the league and was an “established past practice.” The league sent out a yearly notice regarding it to all teams, but somehow Goodell didn’t know it existed? This is evidenced by the fact that the Saints continued the established practice after 2009.

    Goodell had two options….investigate every team equally and lose a lot of money for the league or make a huge example of one team that got caught to minimize the economic effect and bring the other 31 teams into line.

    The amount of folks that post here under the presumption that there beloved team would never do anything wrong like those dirty Saints have done is mind boggling.

  164. chawk12thman says: Apr 2, 2012 1:19 PM

    Both sides are right!

    The bounty system was an internal entertainment, bonding function and not anything designed to do any damage to the other team’s players that isn’t already on the agenda by all players in the NFL.

    That being said, Payton, et. al. made very serious mistakes by continuing the process after being put on notice, for another two years and then lying about it to the Commissioner’s Office during the investigation. In fact, they continued to lie to the Commissioner up to two weeks before the penalties were given.

    The PLAYERS who participated should not be Severely penalized, if at all if they were NOT given notice to cease. It can be demonstrated that this was a well established NFL practice and part of the defensive culture. If that is the case, only a small fine and/or suspension would be warranted.

  165. firstandonlywarning says: Apr 2, 2012 1:28 PM

    Who gives a damn about this tiny market and their backlash?

  166. vgferenzi says: Apr 2, 2012 1:29 PM

    People in New Orleans lack a moral compass??? Shocking!

  167. desertspin says: Apr 2, 2012 1:50 PM

    When Payton employed illegal bounties to win the Super Bowl – he put the asteric on it.

    The next year when he (along with his coaches/front office) chose to ignore the league warning – he put the asteric on anything his team accomplished.

    Saints fans – quit blaming the League, the Commissioner, the big bad Media & the rest of us who find your self delusion so reprehensible & realize who made the bed you are now lying in!

  168. domeinate says: Apr 2, 2012 1:52 PM

    Thank you very much, but we will determine what we think. We have never danced to anyone’s tune but our own.

    Don’t think we will be much in the mood to volunteer for SuperBowl events. As I understand it, these events run on volunteers. This town literally almost shuts down during Saints games. Think you will understand the chilly reception when you get here.

  169. sportmentary says: Apr 2, 2012 2:04 PM

    Great, then hopefully you will never get another Super Bowl. The NFL will know what a bunch of clowns you are.

    Remember one thing. The next time tragedy strikes (And I pray to G-d it never happens again), the NFL and Roger Goodell won’t step in and prevent your traitor owner from trying to move the team. He will let it happen, because you are a bunch of ungrateful people.

    You should spend your time being angry at the people who run your team. They put you in that position. They’re the ones who truned their backs on you and lied to the NFL.

  170. denverscott says: Apr 2, 2012 2:08 PM

    @rosieoutlook
    was your mother standing when she gave birth to you? I’m sure you hit your head on the way out.

  171. golonger says: Apr 2, 2012 2:09 PM

    thejuddstir – no point idiot. It is painfully obvious that you have never played the game EVER….if you did, you would understand the obvious…its like a coach making a speech……more focused motivation…if you dont undetstand that….it isn’t surprising. Get back to analyzing ping-pong…a sport you probably have some experience with…..you have NO CLUE about football!

  172. golonger says: Apr 2, 2012 2:13 PM

    “If teammates are offering a few thousand dollars to ‘cripple’ opposing players, the undertone is that the hits would be cheap shots”

    No, totally incorrect.

  173. thepvyharvin says: Apr 2, 2012 2:17 PM

    fence them off from the rest of the US,,,

  174. ningenito78 says: Apr 2, 2012 2:23 PM

    Kronix7- accolades from their coaches? What is this Pop Warner? Do you really think pro athletes give a rats ass about having their coaches say ‘good boy’? Judging by all your posts on this subject you really just come off as a misinformed moron. No Saints fans I heard are saying that the team should not have been punished. But the punishments are way overboard. And if you can’t read between the lines and realize the punishment is ALL about giving the NFL some leverage in upcoming concussion lawsuits then you really are just a blind hater that has no clue. So bring it on haters. It’s more fun rooting for the bad guy anyway. Saints fans never wanted to be America’s sweetheart.

  175. drunkenjunk says: Apr 2, 2012 2:28 PM

    @ whitecastleisafoodgroup

    You are an idiot. Comparing this to letting some pervert molest children is completely stupid.

  176. redstar504 says: Apr 2, 2012 3:07 PM

    geo1113 says:Apr 2, 2012 11:36 AM

    redstar504 says:
    Apr 2, 2012 11:14 AM
    Again to all of you name one player the Saints hurt? Name one?
    ———————–

    So by your logic, if anybody offers someone money to kill their spouse and they don’t do it, no one has been harmed and it should be forgotten.
    ____________________

    No it should not be forgotten you are correct in that analogy. My point is if the Saints were such a vilanous defense their should be legions of injured players out there, there isn’t. What the Saints did was wrong. I get that. They allowed a pay for play system funded and operated by the players to operate even after being told to quit. They lied about it after the fact. That is the wrongs.

    The accuzation of trying to hurt people is compleat BS. The object of defensive football is to knock folks out of games. Defenders hit hard every play. Having a bounty isn’t going to make it any harder. Like people have said the penalties and fines being so high why would you try to hurt someone on purpouse?

    The saftey issues make no sense. The actual operation of the system was wrong. The lies were wrong but all everyone wants to focus on is the player saftey BS.

  177. lengai says: Apr 2, 2012 3:22 PM

    4512dawg4512 says:
    Apr 2, 2012 9:23 AM
    Every time I find myself getting tired of this whole “bounty” thing I think of Roman Harper’s ridiculously late hit on Steve Smith in the end zone last year and the reality sets in. The Saints were playing dirty, glad I’m not a Saints fan
    ____________________________________

    Was Steve injured? Has his career ended or did he get a pay day to leave for a better deal? You defend a guy that knocks out his own team mates? You, sir, are the definition of an idiot.

  178. dominicthedonkey says: Apr 2, 2012 3:24 PM

    Get your paper bags with the eyes cut out! Because that is where you are headed. Haaaa-haaaa!

  179. sportmentary says: Apr 2, 2012 3:30 PM

    @dominicthedonkey, they don’t have to look to far into their closets for the brown paper bags. They don’t even have to dust them off. They’ve had a few good years but the rest were putrid.

    I hope I see the return of the Aints. Go Aints Go!

  180. sportmentary says: Apr 2, 2012 3:31 PM

    Should the Saints change their name to the New Orleans Sinners? That name is more appropriate and fitting.

  181. lengai says: Apr 2, 2012 4:05 PM

    $1500 bonus to cheap shot an opposing player. $15,000 fine for a cheap shot on an opposing player. Who is drinking the Kool Aid here really?

  182. golonger says: Apr 2, 2012 4:08 PM

    People in here are such utter tools and losers, if someone wrote that grass is green, it would get numerous thumbs done….let’s try……..

  183. golonger says: Apr 2, 2012 4:11 PM

    “$1500 bonus to cheap shot an opposing player. $15,000 fine for a cheap shot on an opposing player.”……sorry, this isn’t even the issue…..cheap shotting players was never the intent……can any of you READ???? LOL

  184. realdealsteel says: Apr 2, 2012 6:04 PM

    I love term “bounty evalgelist” because that’s exactly what they are. They don’t know a thing about real football because real football has had so called “bounties” since the inception of the game. I don’t care how much evidence they have against the Saints because at the end of the day, the Saints were not doing anything the other 31 teams in the league weren’t doing. And…according the NFL themselves, the Saints are in the lower quarter of injuries to other teams. In the words of Marshall Faulk on the NFL Network, ” If the Saints had a bounty system then they sure did a poor job of it because none were collected.” This is just another power play by Hitler Goodall to legislate violence out of a game that is revired for it’s big hits and violence.

  185. Deb says: Apr 2, 2012 6:17 PM

    Payton and his cronies took money from a convicted felon to cheat the salary cap, run an illegal bounty program, and try to permanently injure players from an opposing team. That doesn’t even get into what was in it for the felon. Hmmm, wonder why a felon might have profited by knowing in advance that certain players would be knocked out of NFL games? The only thing more disgusting than this setup is Saints’ fans portraying Payton as a victim. Benson should fire these clowns … or the league should censure the whole team for a season.

  186. eyeh8goodell says: Apr 2, 2012 6:49 PM

    Goodell conveniently waited until AFTER the season ticket renewal deadline to announce his sanctions. Yeah, that’s what’s I call integrity. It’s all about the money.

  187. lengai says: Apr 2, 2012 8:20 PM

    Deb says:
    Apr 2, 2012 6:17 PM
    Payton and his cronies took money from a convicted felon to cheat the salary cap, run an illegal bounty program, and try to permanently injure players from an opposing team. That doesn’t even get into what was in it for the felon. Hmmm, wonder why a felon might have profited by knowing in advance that certain players would be knocked out of NFL games? The only thing more disgusting than this setup is Saints’ fans portraying Payton as a victim. Benson should fire these clowns … or the league should censure the whole team for a season.
    ___________________________________

    It was an offer in an email. At 8 million a year you seriously think Payton was running a gambling racket for thousands of dollars? You don’t even make sense.

    As an FYI I played when I was younger and was never coached to knock opposing players out of the game, but I still tried to do it on every single play and have no guilt or remorse for it…never will..and I was an O-lineman.

    The two easiest ways to remove an opposing player are 1) hit him in the chicken nuggets (football players don’t wear cups) or 2) uppercut him (no protection under the chin).

    God designed men to do this stuff naturally. It’s called testosterone. It’s why we have all those wars and stuff.

  188. Deb says: Apr 2, 2012 10:52 PM

    @lengai …

    That has got to be the most asinine comment I’ve ever read on this site. Congrats–that’s quite an accomplishment. I spent four years living with guerilla combatants in a war zone, honey. Many of them were women. Wars are usually about complex issues that involve a lot more than testosterone :roll:

    Yeah, genius, people often take money from outside sources to fund illegal operations rather than funding them out of their own bank accounts. It’s called plausible deniability.

  189. patsaintsbroncoscheat says: Apr 2, 2012 11:45 PM

    Saints had it coming! Bunch of losers. With or without Payton the NFL will crush the Saints this year. Geaux Home!

  190. grannyvi4 says: Apr 3, 2012 1:51 AM

    If Payton was any kind of real leader and/or man, he would tell the fans: “You’re the greatest fans in the NFL and I really and truly appreciate the loyalty and support you’ve shown the Saints, and me personally, these last few weeks. However, I want you to know that I meant what I said about accepting responsibility for my actions as head coach of the Saints, and by accepting responsibility, I must accept the punishment. Is the punishment harsh? Yes. Am I happy about it? Of course not. However, if this is the price to be paid for restoring honor to the team I’ve dishonored with my actions, then so be it. In the meantime, I ask you to show your loyalty and support to the interim staff who I know will do an excellent job in the upcoming season. See you next year.”

    That would be the classy thing to do; but we’re talking about Payton…so never mind.

  191. golonger says: Apr 3, 2012 11:23 AM

    Deb, just as I wont comment about the dynamics of war…maybe you shouldn’t be commenting about the dynamics of football.

    1) This “felon” may have contributed to the bounty but he has also been associated with the league in a general sense for years…if the Saints are to be blasted for that, so should the NFL
    2) bounty programs were NOT illegal untilabout 2 weeks ago
    3) no bounty was ever initiated for the specific purpose of ending a career..period…knocking someone out of game is different…and as any player will tell you,that IS part of their job (bounty or not)
    4) you have serious conspiracy theory issues….this “felon” has been associated with the NFL for years..and he contributed to the bounty to get a Super Bowl ring…….

  192. golonger says: Apr 3, 2012 11:29 AM

    nothing disgusting about bounties….they are there and will continue to be “under the table”….bounties dont create the violence….or the late hits…..or anything…..what is on the feild is on the field.This is purely a ploy but the NFL to prepare for its concusion defense…..period

  193. golonger says: Apr 3, 2012 12:53 PM

    “wonder why a felon might have profited by knowing in advance that certain players would be knocked out of NFL games?”……LOL…you make it sound like having bounties ASSURED something would happen…..ridiculous! They didn’t pull guns out of their uniform….they played EXACTLY as they would WITHOUT a bounty……

  194. Deb says: Apr 3, 2012 6:19 PM

    @golonger …

    Honey, I’m just repeating the league’s findings in this matter without the sugar-coating. You’re the one trying to pretend this is all business as usual. Funny, when I first brought up Michael Ornstein, you had no idea what I was talking about. Now you insist he’s been involved with the NFL for years. My position has been the same since I first read the findings. Sounds like yours keeps changing to fit the way you’d like things to be.

    Yes, Ornstein has been involved with the NFL for years–he’s been convicted of felonies involving various money-making schemes involving the leage. That’s not a great recommendation. No, bounties didn’t “assure” something would happen. But when you have players attemption to permanently remove someone from competition, you increase the odds. Gambling is about odds, golonger. I would have thought you’d know that. Unlike boxing, where paying off a competitor assures you he’ll take a dive, in a team sport, the best you can accomplish by paying an individual or a referee is to increase the odds. Yet it has been known to happen … hasn’t it? The only person being ridiculously naive here is you.

    I thought you were a Ravens fan. Obviously not. And no, they were not playing EXACTLY as they would WITHOUT a bounty. You don’t typically hear players knock a guy out of the game then demand “Pay me my money.” You can candy-coat this all you want. But it is what it is. And it’s wrong. And don’t tell me again not to talk about the dynamics of football. I’m sure I have as much experience with the dynamics of football and war as either of you big talkers. Brains and access are a tremendous asset in discussing any subject.

  195. kronix7 says: Apr 3, 2012 7:12 PM

    Ningenito78: let me try an explain something to you. Here is a fact. I know that you are probably to stupid to understand this. If Drew Brees was on the recieving end of bounty from another team Saints* fans would pissed off just like the other 31 teams fans are. Don’t deny it, because I’m sure most Saints fans will. Here is the problem if your team is so good then why in world would they feel that the need to take out the opposing teams QB? If it’s me I would want to beat a team at there best. Maybe Payton and the rest of your D-bag coaches didn’t have enough confidence in their players to win the game. Now your fellow idiot Saints* fans can keep trying to spin this anyway you want but you continue to make the rest of the work laughing at you. Idiot.

  196. kronix7 says: Apr 3, 2012 7:14 PM

    World-

  197. golonger says: Apr 4, 2012 11:54 AM

    Deb,

    “I first brought up Michael Ornstein, you had no idea what I was talking about. Now you insist he’s been involved with the NFL for years. “…yes,thats becasue I read about….are you saying I always have to know EVERY fact about everything? Also,doesnt matter WHO was contributing to the bounty.

    No, you are NOT just repeating the league findings in this matter. You are repeating facts and adding conjecture…THAT is what you are doing. There is not ONE piece of evidence saying bounties were for the purpose of ending careers…there isnt, sorry!

    Debra, you know NOTHING about what you are speaking..sorry. You are like alot of these other idiots in here who THINK they know…but they DONT KNOW.

    Bounties do not cause players to play different…….doesn’t make them play dirtier (not all illegal hits are by the Saints) doesnt make them do ANYTHING differently. If you had ever played the game, you would realize it is additional motivation and team-building.thats all! Just like a coach making a halftime speach. is it necessary? Is it what each player needs to go out and play hard in the second half? NO…same with bounties.

    Players play to knock the opponent OUT…..period….Not out of their career….OUT OF THE GAME…..do you get the distinction???if you want to disagree like some of the other imbeciles in here..GO RIGHT AHEAD….you are dead wrong. Let me say it again for the feeble-minded…..bounties dont cause illegal hits…..dont cause inujuries to players……..hits are either LEGAL or ILLEGAL…….PERIOD. What the motivation is doesnt matter.

    Did the Steelers have bounties?…they certainly have a lot of illegal hits…..geez, I guess they did..LOL…..your logic is totally off-base and totally flawed, sorry!

  198. golonger says: Apr 4, 2012 11:59 AM

    “You don’t typically hear players knock a guy out of the game then demand “Pay me my money.”

    Yes, the Saints were stupidly overt in their use of the bounty…..doesn’t mean what they were doing was any worse than any other team who was doing it….If you dont think Steelers had (and will have) bounties to knock Ray Lewis out of the game, you are kidding yourself……

  199. golonger says: Apr 4, 2012 12:07 PM

    “And no, they were not playing EXACTLY as they would WITHOUT a bounty. ”

    Again, a ridiculously clueless statement.maybe if you had played you might understand. Do you think plyers have time to think about this when going at full speed? Do you think they think about HOW they hit or tackle a guy? Do you realize the speed these guys are travelling? LOL….sorry, not the case….these guys go FULL SPEED..PERIOD…they dont think about…gee, $500 on this guy…sure they have targets, and they go full speed, (AS EVERY TEAM DOES)PERIOD..doesnt matter if they have $1, $1M, or nothing…..they play to hit, and to hurt. Hurting limites the abilities of your opponent NEXT time you see him….that is the advantage…

  200. golonger says: Apr 4, 2012 3:56 PM

    “I’m sure I have as much experience with the dynamics of football and war as either of you big talkers. ”

    Really?….how many years of football have you played? How many football locker rooms have you been in. Saying you have brains so you know is ABSOLUTELY MEANINGLESS.

  201. golonger says: Apr 4, 2012 6:07 PM

    kronix7 – right….so every team that plays the Saints is looking to get to Brees and politely set him down on his butt?? LOL……..this is funny!

  202. Deb says: Apr 4, 2012 10:29 PM

    @golonger …

    Who the heck is Debra?

    How many years of NFL football have you played? And if you have played in the league, was it in the last decade? The overwhelming majority of men posting here have never played the sport or never played past high school. Even if you have, the game has changed dramatically over the last two decades. Get over yourself. Would I have the same depth of knowledge as someone who’s played at a high level? No. But you have no idea what experiences I do have that provide me with real-world insight into the sport and the people who play it. You’re making assumptions all over the place while judging my comments meaningless. And screaming doesn’t make your comments any more valid.

    As Lamar Woodley said, good players play to the max. I’ve never argued that. But this type “motivation” program does encourage people to cross lines. It blurs the distinction between what’s acceptable game fervor and a level of brutality that’s not okay. It’s the same kind of line blurring you see in situations like Abu Ghraib. Yeah, people are going to play rough regardless. That makes it even more important to keep the lid on and follow the rules.

    Was Ornstein in this for some nefarious gambling reason? I don’t know. Jackasses like him throw big money into college ball just to bring their schools a trophy. But when you invite a fox into your henhouse, you can’t feign surprise if he munches down on a few chickens. The NFL has to guard against any appearance of throwing games. Having a convicted felon fund an illegal bounty program isn’t the way to accomplish that. The league has a salary cap in place. He cheated it by paying players with outside money. Payton isn’t an innocent. He knew what he was doing. Now he should stop whining and pay the consequences. This isn’t rocket science and you don’t need a male membership card to understand it.

  203. golonger says: Apr 5, 2012 10:32 AM

    Deb…

    1) making an assumption that you have never played football at any level is a safe assumption. I haven’t seen any women playing at the college OR pro level so….not an assumption any longer…it is fact
    2)”But this type “motivation” program does encourage people to cross lines.” No, it doesnt..sorry. This is an ASSUMPTION on YOUR part based on what you think you know. I have played 6 years of football beyond the high school level. I think anyone with half a brain cell would give more credance to MY opinions (which are based on facts) and your conjecture….based on you not knowing. Playing to the max means doing that exactly…one doesnt have the time or the ability to sit there and go….”gee, im going to hit him illegally this time and break his league….” sorry…..doesnt happen…..cant happen…mainly due to the speed of the game.
    3) It may not be rocket science…but in this case, you arent even a scientist of ANY kind….you are a spectator…you dont know…….

    The Saints are in trouble for 3 reasons
    1) had a “structured” bounty
    2) They were extremely overt about it
    3) They didn’t stop it when the league told them to

    Now, if the bounty they were running was “so terrible” why is it the league didnt come down harder right away…i mean,it took them three years to do something about it. Why? because they know every teams does it to one degree or another.

    Again…how players are motivated doesnt translate on the field. If I play hard because I hate eggs…I am just mean…or somone is paying me $10k to hit somebody…IT DOESNT MATTER……you perform 110% regardless..and the speed of the game doesnt ALLOW anyoine to make distincts, periof….also, do you really think the players really cared about the money?No,they did not……it was more the bragging rights…..it wasnt about the money.

  204. golonger says: Apr 5, 2012 10:36 AM

    “The NFL has to guard against any appearance of throwing games. Having a convicted felon fund an illegal bounty program isn’t the way to accomplish that.”

    Where do you get this stuff?? Bounties have NOTHING to do with “throwing games”…….nothing at all. If I paid the SAints a billion dollars to knock the other QB in the Super Bowl, how is that “throwing a game”? Throwing a game would be me paying the other QB to take a dive…….fake an injury in the first quarter, and stay out for the rest of the game….THAT would be throwing a game……….

  205. golonger says: Apr 5, 2012 1:25 PM

    If I am running at someone to tackle them and the only shot I have is to get their left leg (for example). The ONLY thing going on in mind is “put the guy down”. Do you honestly think that I can possible think through this and say to myself. “Gee, there is his knee, delicate mechanism, how can I grab his leg and tackle him while not hurting him….hmm…if I grab with my left hand, then ………..” LOL..ridiculous. The only thing I am thinking is….hammer him, get him…hit him……end the play……I am going to hit his leg however I hit it…if i just tackle him,great…if I slightly injure his knee…..ok….he goes to the sideline…..if I end his career….sorry, didnt mean to do that.not my intent but, it happens……NOBODY is thinking of a bounty when they tackle…

  206. Deb says: Apr 6, 2012 4:22 PM

    golonger, my comment didn’t say anything about you assuming I never played football. I said you’re assuming I have no experiences or associations that would give me insight into these issues. And you are. Try focusing on the comments instead of thinking about how to counter them.

    And when you list the reasons the NFL is concerned about the Saints’ bounty program, omitting the involvement of outside money that skirted the cap, money provided by a convicted felon, you’re being naive. You missed the subtle distinction in my comment between saying the bounty was about throwing the game and that it could create the appearance that something like that was happening. The NFL has to avoid any appearance of involvement in shady enterprises. That’s why the football Rooneys had to separate themselves from the racetrack Rooneys once slot machines were installed at the tracks. That’s why several players had to sell their casino in Alabama. In the NFL–as in politics–perception is often more important than reality.

  207. donmichaelcorleone says: Apr 6, 2012 4:43 PM

    Awww the rubes are angry that their cheating team got busted. Cry me a lake and drown your city in it

  208. golonger says: Apr 6, 2012 7:59 PM

    Deb – I am focusing on the point..it is you who continually misses it. The fact that you have NEVER played IS the reason you have no associations or insight into the issue. Because that is the one TRUE way to have full insight on the issue. Do I have to say this 100 times. If you haven’t played…..you dont know..period…sorry.

    and no…..I didn’t miss the subtle distinction……there is no subtle distinction. Bounties have nothing to do with throwing games and if the NFL was concerned about the “subtle distinction”, they would ban gambling of ANY sort on NFL games. Why don’t they? obviously because there is a lot of money to be made…which is the whole point of this bounty witch hunt……..to try and save the NFL from itself. This whole episode is proving that this pathetic pc world unfortunately will not allow the true NFL to exist anymore.and in ten years, we may be lucky to even SEE NFL football at all. The NFL knows this which is why they are making Greg Williams and the Saints a scapegoat to deflect liability from them as a whole. The NFL has no problem paying $20 Million dolars last year to Goodell AND Rozell (i guess his family) but yet they dont give 2 cents for the retired players. The NFL magazine just went under…..the NFL is run like a pathetic govt that has no clue….and Goodell hasnt helped.

  209. golonger says: Apr 6, 2012 8:02 PM

    and donmichaelcorleone’s comment above proves my point…..the public is either too stupid or cannot handle the truth of the NFL….they want access to the locker room but can’t handle what they hear……..to quote Jack Nickelson “You can’t handle the truth”

  210. Deb says: Apr 6, 2012 9:16 PM

    But, golonger, Col. Jessup was wrong for the same reason you’re wrong. Yes, we need people on that wall. And yes, we enjoy a violent game. I like my football smashmouth and heavy on the Big D. But we need the people on that wall and the people in the game to understand there are lines they cannot cross.

    We need this a certain level of violence to protect ourselves as a nation. But if we cross that line–like William Calley or Robert Bales–then we’re no longer doing the duty, we’ve become terrorists ourselves. And we need a certain level of violence to play “our” game. But if we cross that line–like the Saints coaches by trying to whip players into a frenzy of inflicting serious injury–then we’re no longer playing the game, we’ve become barbarians for the sake of barbarity.

    Like I said, golonger, I’ve lived with all kinds of people, where the situations were bloody, no one was playing, and no whistles blew. I expect I understand a lot more about these lines than you’ll ever know. But it doesn’t appear I’ll get any of it across to you. So with this, I’m out.

  211. goodolebaghead says: Apr 7, 2012 10:35 AM

    Please everyone stop dragging the fans into this. We’re not fair weather fans, so of course we stick by our TEAM, but I don’t know a single Saints fan that thinks what GWilliams and others is right at all. We’re mad as hell at them. Doesn’t mean we’re gonna give up on years of Saints culture. We want nothing more than to watch football, and none of us participated in any bounties, so leave us out of it.

  212. golonger says: Apr 7, 2012 3:01 PM

    Deb – just as I wont comment about war…….you shouldnt be commenting about football…….you have no clue.

  213. peachyc39 says: Apr 8, 2012 2:12 AM

    I just love these Saints’ Fans that know SO much and are sooo dedicated to their team that can’t even spell the HC’s name right. Psst…its P-A-Y-T-O-N.. not to be confused with Peyton Manning. I’m done :)

  214. janpage says: Apr 8, 2012 4:17 PM

    Oh, for crying out loud…Wait a minute! That’s what the Saints fans are doing!

    Give it a rest, folks. And be mad at Sean Peyton instead of the rest of the world who thinks what he did stinks. He’s the one who helped ruin your team’s reputation.

    Don’t you get it?

  215. goodolebaghead says: Apr 8, 2012 10:54 PM

    That’s it, go after the fans, who had nothing to do with this mess…

    If any of you can get off your internet-high-horse long enough, you’ll see how some of this is of course acceptable punishment, and how some of it is completely media-driven-blown-out-hypocrisy that has nothing to do with the matter at hand. Don’t be surprised that we’re not happy how it’s all washing out.

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