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Breer: NFL needs to hit Saints players hard to prevent future bounties

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Our buddy Albert Breer of NFL Network made a return visit to PFT Live on Tuesday to discuss, among other things, the ongoing discussions between the NFL and the NFLPA regarding the penalties to be imposed on Saints players who funded and/or received funds from the bounty system.  The league continues to want the union to make a recommendation regarding the punishments for the players.

While discussing the situation, Breer made an excellent observation regarding the challenge the league currently faces.  Though coaching staffs are now out of the bounty business, there may be no way to effectively prevent players from maintaining their own programs for generating cash via fines and paying it out via big plays and, possibly, knocking opponents out of games.  If the players are committed to keeping it secret, and unless the coaching staff is willing to aggressively police the players, it could still happen.

And so, as Breer explained it, the best way to deter players from having off-radar bounty funds in the future will be to clobber the Saints players who were involved in the three-year bounty system.

Having the NFLPA on board with that approach could help the league minimize the P.R. fallout, nationally and, more importantly, in New Orleans arising from the imposition of significant suspensions on players like linebacker Jonathan Vilma, whom the league believes offered $10,000 to any player who knocks Brett Favre out of the 2009 NFC title game.  Though it remains unlikely that the NFLPA will make any recommendations or otherwise cooperate with the league’s intended discipline, it doesn’t hurt to ask.

Or, in this specific case, keep asking.

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58 Responses to “Breer: NFL needs to hit Saints players hard to prevent future bounties”
  1. phillyphever says: Apr 3, 2012 7:31 PM

    Maybe it will also shut up those players who keep saying they’re innocent.

  2. raiders757 says: Apr 3, 2012 7:36 PM

    The league made an example for the players the day they allowed felons back in to make millions, and it obviously wasn’t a good one.

  3. wayne1693 says: Apr 3, 2012 7:40 PM

    Too many people [including Saints’ fans] have been hit too hard [except for Gregg Williams] already!!! Why in the world would The Commish want to further De-Ball this Team, this Franchise, and this City?!?

  4. rezburna says: Apr 3, 2012 7:44 PM

    Hitting a player with the intent to knock them out of the game isn’t called a “bounty”, it’s called “football”. Getting paid to perform said action isn’t called a “bounty”, it’s called “player salary”, or in this case, a “bonus”. Let’s not forget to mention the disconnect between the allegations, and the actual results on the field. I WISH the Saints would’ve hurt some players. I didn’t see them hurt anybody over the past 3 years. The road to the Super Bowl goes through New Orleans this year, can you say “TWO DAT”?

  5. jason1980 says: Apr 3, 2012 7:45 PM

    Greer, I’ve got an idea, the NFL should ban the Saints from football. Smh!!

  6. showerswithsandusky says: Apr 3, 2012 7:46 PM

    Hit the Saints hard! Let Uncle Sandusky be the punisher! Heard from the steamy locker room shower…”Next Man”!

  7. dowhatifeellike says: Apr 3, 2012 7:50 PM

    The NFLPA won’t recommend punishment because they represent both the offenders and the victims. They don’t want to be seen taking sides and therefore will do nothing.

  8. tialen says: Apr 3, 2012 8:19 PM

    This is absolute BS, if the coaches are training you and teaching you to do something for millions of $$ you go do it. This is all on the coaching staff, enough with this BS about banning and fining players. FYI, I’m a Hawks fan, congrats on signing Heater Saints.

  9. beeronthefridge says: Apr 3, 2012 8:20 PM

    The saints should get the “death penalty” for the season and all its players declared unrestricted free agents.

  10. howiefeltersnatch says: Apr 3, 2012 8:24 PM

    Just don’t hit Fujita too hard, we need him up here in Cleveland

  11. expertop says: Apr 3, 2012 8:31 PM

    rezburna says:
    Apr 3, 2012 7:44 PM
    Hitting a player with the intent to knock them out of the game isn’t called a “bounty”, it’s called “football”. Getting paid to perform said action isn’t called a “bounty”, it’s called “player salary”, or in this case, a “bonus”. Let’s not forget to mention the disconnect between the allegations, and the actual results on the field. I WISH the Saints would’ve hurt some players. I didn’t see them hurt anybody over the past 3 years. The road to the Super Bowl goes through New Orleans this year, can you say “TWO DAT”?
    —————————————

    Just keep saying it, and you’ll wake up and it’ll all be true one day.

  12. vikingdoode says: Apr 3, 2012 8:37 PM

    NFLPA will fake fight this…..The guilty players are doomed

  13. jason1980 says: Apr 3, 2012 8:45 PM

    The NFL thought we hurt players for the past 3 years, that was foreplay, we (Who Dat Nation) recommend that they hurt some players this season. Be very scared, the Saints are coming to get ya!

  14. chandler1 says: Apr 3, 2012 8:45 PM

    Should be called the Hoodie Saints.

  15. geauxmez says: Apr 3, 2012 8:48 PM

    breer should hush.

  16. irishnativeson says: Apr 3, 2012 8:52 PM

    Favre is a first ballot HOF’er. Let’s hear from the victims, the actual victims not the integrity of the game victims, the commissioners office and the owners. I don’t disagree with some punishment for the players involved but if you crucify the players the game may never be the same. I sincerely hope this doesn’t effect play….. we’ll have to wait and see.

  17. ilovefoolsball says: Apr 3, 2012 8:55 PM

    So all of you fans on your high horses won’t be celebrating when your defensive player knocks a opposing star player out of the game right?

    RIIIIIIIGHT.

  18. babyhorsemorgan says: Apr 3, 2012 9:03 PM

    Hit them hard enough that they don’t get up off the turf to try it again.

  19. stevenfbrackett says: Apr 3, 2012 9:11 PM

    The sad thing is, if all the offenders got was a 5 minute lecture, there are Saints fanatics who would come on here screaming about how the punishment was too harsh.

    I swear, some of them seem to have absolutely no sense of right and wrong or empathy for anyone’s basic welfare – damned near sociopathic in their fanaticism.

  20. silentcount says: Apr 3, 2012 9:14 PM

    The word circulating now is several close associates of Goodell are going to provide evidence of his personal grudge against Sean Payton and fabricating so called evidence. Someone will file a lawsuit against the NFL and Goodell, and the owners will make him step down. This thing is far from over. Just watch.

  21. phillyphever says: Apr 3, 2012 9:14 PM

    You Aints’ fans just don’t get it don’t you. Goodell didn’t ruin 2012 for you. Payton, Loomis, Williams, Vitt and the players did. They were the ones who created the system in NO. They were the ones who kept it going even when the league warned them about it. They were the ones who LIED (the MAJOR offense of the whole ordeal) to the commissioner about the bounty system and saying they will stop it. Just be glad that all they got was suspensions. In any other job, an employee lying to their boss would have gotten them fired in an instant. So Aints fans, I’m sorry it came to this, but if you have to blame someone, blame the Saints organization as a whole, not the commissioner. He had to do it. He had to send a strong message to the league that not only will they not tolerate bounties, but they will not tolerate lairs. If the Saints did what the Packers did in 07 when McCarthy was notified about their team doing bounties and stopped it, none of this wouldn’t have happened. Anyway, good luck with that and enjoy an 8-8 record this year.

  22. rajuncajun28 says: Apr 3, 2012 9:18 PM

    Saints haters only care about this faux scandal because it MAY level the playing field given the Saints superiority over your pathetic teams…pretty sad…

  23. jw5111 says: Apr 3, 2012 9:20 PM

    Super Bowl XLIV Champs*

  24. mrmarcus55 says: Apr 3, 2012 9:23 PM

    Road to superbowl goes through new Orleans…don’t think Niners believe that for a second.

  25. detruthhurts says: Apr 3, 2012 9:26 PM

    Goodell is gonna break his foot off in Vilma’s hindparts! Him and the rest of his punk buddies!

  26. jm8ch10 says: Apr 3, 2012 9:29 PM

    Suspend for the season.

  27. detruthhurts says: Apr 3, 2012 9:30 PM

    The rest of you Aints fans might as well give up and go gator hunting because nobody shives a git how much you butthurt lowlifes cry and squall!

  28. prrebel says: Apr 3, 2012 9:41 PM

    I sit and read what most of you a$$ clowns write and it’s unbelievable what more than half of you have to say, how this should happen and that should happen, and how you complain about Saints fans. I will say this, if it was your team, you would be supporting them too in the same manner and if you say you wouldn’t, you would be absolutely lying. Breer, 8 of the 22-27 Saints defenders remain from 2009 team. So hit the entire Saints defense hard? Even those that had nothing to do with the “bounties”? Media morons speak again!!

  29. jason1980 says: Apr 3, 2012 9:43 PM

    Thank you Steve! Who Dat!

  30. riverhorsey says: Apr 3, 2012 9:45 PM

    The players caught should get 8 games and half their salary. And anyone caught doing it in the future should get a 1 year suspension for a first offense.

  31. sportmentary says: Apr 3, 2012 9:49 PM

    @wayne1693 Not beating up in Aints fans unless they’re living on another planet and not accepting their team are a degenerate cheats.

    Penalizing scumbags isn’t penalizing Aints fans and the city of CorruptoLeans. It’s sending a message to the individuals involved that their despicable actions will not be tolerated.

    A number of Aints players and former players (who are on OTHER teams now) need to be banned for life.

  32. tommyf15 says: Apr 3, 2012 9:52 PM

    Breer is wrong and is being a bit of a drama queen about it.

    Seriously, who in their right mind thinks the NFL is going to ever see another bounty program after what’s happened to the Saints organization?

  33. tropicpurple says: Apr 3, 2012 9:53 PM

    Since pro football players like to make comparisons of their game and themselves to the military, like ‘going to battle’, ‘its a war’, ‘we’re like soldiers’ etc.

    Well, the military has a well-known punishment for members of a fraternity who put their members at risk or worse called a ‘blanket-party’.

    I say let the men settle it amongst themselves, let the players from the other 31 teams alone with the (22 – 27) guilty and have a party.

    See if this thing ever happens again after that.

  34. rezburna says: Apr 3, 2012 10:13 PM

    expertop says:
    Apr 3, 2012 8:31 PM
    rezburna says:
    Apr 3, 2012 7:44 PM
    Hitting a player with the intent to knock them out of the game isn’t called a “bounty”, it’s called “football”. Getting paid to perform said action isn’t called a “bounty”, it’s called “player salary”, or in this case, a “bonus”. Let’s not forget to mention the disconnect between the allegations, and the actual results on the field. I WISH the Saints would’ve hurt some players. I didn’t see them hurt anybody over the past 3 years. The road to the Super Bowl goes through New Orleans this year, can you say “TWO DAT”?
    —————————————

    Just keep saying it, and you’ll wake up and it’ll all be true one day.

    _______________________

    It’s true right now son.

    And @StevenFBrackett: I promise you I would still feel the same way if I was a Saints fan or not. It’s not high school football. It’s not college football. It’s professional football. These are grown men. Anybody who feels like the Saints or any other team for that matter is wrong for this really needs to grow a pair. All I see on ESPN when they talk about the bounties is the Saints players making “LEGAL” big hits on the opposing the team that never even resulted in injury in the first place. People need to cut the self-righteous act and get over themselves.

  35. momsasaynt says: Apr 3, 2012 10:30 PM

    And now we got Vilma on twitter calling out P.King what an ass.

  36. kronix7 says: Apr 3, 2012 10:48 PM

    The only way I would agree to really harsh punishments for the players is just to stick it to most of the idiot Saints* fans on here that post dribble about how everyone else is to blame. Boo Freaking hoo*

  37. bigbadal21 says: Apr 3, 2012 10:53 PM

    Steeler fan here
    What the Saints did was wrong. What J Vilma did was wrong. But to blame the other players for appeasing the coaches who determine who plays and who doesn’t is wrong. The coaches do the game planning so this falls on the coaches who have already been diciplined. Leave the players alone. And anyone who thinks this will happen in the future is a fool.

  38. kronix7 says: Apr 3, 2012 10:53 PM

    Unfotunately I think there will be a few injured Saints* players this year now with that said ” I’m not Saints* fan therefore I’m not condoning that. This will all be forgotton this time next year.

  39. mrmarcus55 says: Apr 3, 2012 10:54 PM

    its not true, niners gave them grade a mouth smash.

  40. kronix7 says: Apr 3, 2012 11:02 PM

    As I posted recently to an idiot Saints* fan. If Drew Brees was one of the players that had a bounty on him from another team then Saints* fans would be screaming about it. So don’t deny it Saints* fans. This is a clear cut case that the Saints* coaching staff obviously did not have enough confidence in their players or otherwise there wouldn’t have been bounties on opposing QBs. I would think the teams would want to beat a team at full strength just for bragging rights.

  41. kronix7 says: Apr 3, 2012 11:27 PM

    pprebel, I think not. I’d be pissed off as hell if my team had to resort to such tactics to win a game. I’d expect the coaches to be fired and punished. Would I still be a fan yes. Would I defend them to other fans that spoke out against. No I would not. If Saints* fan don’t like what your reading about your dirty franchise then you shouldn’t be on here reading it. Don’t get your panties in a wad, if it wasn’t the Saints* and it was another team you would posting the same thing. Think about it. Nobody is saying that the Saints* fans should abandon your team.

  42. kronix7 says: Apr 3, 2012 11:32 PM

    It will happen again believe me. I’m guessing not from the Saints but players are as dumb as fans are. Oh it will happen again.

  43. youallrfools says: Apr 3, 2012 11:37 PM

    rezburna. You have obviously messed StevenFBrackets point. He’s saying that you, and “who dat nation”, are borderline sociopaths because you obviously don’t recognize the difference between proper and improper behavior – no moral boundries. Your response to his post confirms his point.

    Oh and the videos they show are called stock videos. It’s the same clips played repeatedly. They show a Favre hit, a Warner hit, and a couple of randoms. Just cause ESPNs “high quality” reporting doesn’t show video of it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. I shouldn’t expect more than the cognitive functioning of a six year old for a Saints fan though.

  44. dobberdubinsky says: Apr 4, 2012 1:06 AM

    I can’t believe Taints fans actually refer to themselves as “Who Dat Nation”, ROFLMAO. What a laugh and an embarrassment that is. I don’t know if I’d be more embarrassed about that or bounty gate itself. You guys should honestly bust out the old’ paper bags for life. Who Dat, (snicker, snicker)

  45. patsaintsbroncoscheat says: Apr 4, 2012 1:17 AM

    The Saints and their fans deserve all that they get.

  46. rabbdogg says: Apr 4, 2012 1:34 AM

    shut up u azzclown..brees gets hit just like any other QB…he got hit late and hit low several times in that same nfc champ. game u keep whinning like a little girl about..the difference is..he won..so no harm no foul right?

  47. rabbdogg says: Apr 4, 2012 5:13 AM

    um idiot..brees gets hit just like any other QB..shut your hating face..saints fans dont give two fiecies what u or any other hater “thinks”.

  48. gb4mn0 says: Apr 4, 2012 7:32 AM

    dobberdubinsky says:
    Apr 4, 2012 1:06 AM
    I can’t believe Taints fans actually refer to themselves as “Who Dat Nation”, ROFLMAO. What a laugh and an embarrassment that is. I don’t know if I’d be more embarrassed about that or bounty gate itself. You guys should honestly bust out the old’ paper bags for life. Who Dat, (snicker, snicker)

    ——————————————

    What so different from “who dat nation” and you vikequeef noodle brained ninnies shouting “skol” while wearing your gender bending Helga hats when the MN gay liberation battle horn BLOWS over the sound system at the Metrodump everytime(which is rarely)the vikequeen’s are fortunate enough to make a play?

  49. BernardPollardIsAnAss says: Apr 4, 2012 8:06 AM

    @rezburna

    Hey dummy… let me refresh your memory of what an injury resulting from a bounty on a player looks like. You haven’t seen any in three years? Guess you didn’t watch the 2009 NFC Championship game. Anyone who did saw all they needed to see.

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/02/photos-how-brett-favres-ankle-and-hamstring-turned-purple-after-vikings-loss-to-saints/1#.T3w4f_BSSSo

  50. jeziyo247 says: Apr 4, 2012 8:27 AM

    The saint should be kicking themselves in rear for lying and being caught, obviously they were sloppy about it or the league done a great job investigating the matter. These are grown men here and they should know from right to wrong, don’t care if your coach tells you to take out a player for 10the grand, you’re not 5meeting years old. For you saint fan to think that goodell shouldn’t have done anything is dump, basically what the saints were doing is bountying in player whose trying to make a living. Its nothing wrong getting bonuses for INTs or TDs, its wrong to put a bounty on a player intended to take them out of the game

  51. jerrykill4pres says: Apr 4, 2012 8:54 AM

    Hmm, that’s odd… I sure don’t remember the NFL apologizing to the taints organization about how the officials missed all of these late hits by the vikings on brees. I sure don’t remember the NFL doing that one bit.. But you dilusional fans keep thinking that….. Brees was never hit low, never high/low, and never late that game.. I don’t remember the vikings every laying a hand on brees that game.

    Taints fans will approve of “the last boyscout” happening… Isn’t that where the player is running down the field and shoots his way into the endzone? Pretty soon that will happens in the sewage city, and they will say that “it’s just football”…

  52. comeonnowguys says: Apr 4, 2012 9:18 AM

    “So all of you fans on your high horses won’t be celebrating when your defensive player knocks a opposing star player out of the game right?

    RIIIIIIIGHT.”

    So you’d have no problem if someone other team put a bounty out and did to your Breesus what the Saints did to Uncle Pervy and Ned Flanders?

    RIIIIIIIIGHT.

    No high horse here. You don’t have to be when the Saints were warned not to do it, kept doing it, lied about doing it, and got caught lying about still doing it.

    It’s not a moral stand. If you’re that dumb at every turn, then any outrage is based on the fact that the parties involved (and their fans) see this as a baseless witch hunt.

  53. comeonnowguys says: Apr 4, 2012 9:20 AM

    Keep calling everybody else “haters.” It just cements the fact you have nothing else to fall back on.

  54. claymaker says: Apr 4, 2012 9:45 AM

    I’m a Saints Fan, But Don’t hold it against me. I may be amongst the few that realize that what the coaches did and some of the players is down right dirty play. I don’t care if other teams are trying to injure my players or my team theres as long as it is done with fair play. This is not about fair play, this is an embarrassment to our Franchise!

    Frankly, if I was the owner of the Saints, I would have suspended or released the coaches and players myself.

    I once was proud of Peyton and Williams and players like Vilma but they are the clowns that made us look like a bunch of scum bags!!! They are the scum of our great city as far as I am concerned……

    We Deserve the penalties (not that I am happy about it) But my blame is on the cheating coaches and guilty players for that.

    I say Get the Trash Like Peyton, and Vilma and other guilty members off my freaking team and replace them with the class that this organization is supposed to have. We don’t need our Super Bowl Tarnished by Fools.

    Real Men will step in and Keep us Rolling!!! Rolling!!! Rolling over competition!!!

    1-2-3 Who Dat!!!!!!!

  55. kronix7 says: Apr 4, 2012 10:26 AM

    Right on claymaker. Oustanding Saints fan there. He gets it.

  56. doubleogator says: Apr 4, 2012 12:03 PM

    To Phillyfever,

    It’s not the “Aints” It’s the “SAINTS”. I assume from your name you must be a Philadelphia Eagles fan, oh yeah they were the “Dream Team”, I almost forgot….they were 8-8 too….
    The Saints are paying for the mistakes, and they will still fare better in 2012 than your so called “dream team”

  57. BernardPollardIsAnAss says: Apr 4, 2012 1:34 PM

    To all Saints fans…

    Take it from a Patriots fan, just admit that your team cheated their way to a championship. Owning it will make you fell better sooner, and allow you to move on. Denying it will only serve to eat you up inside and make you look foolish. Be a good example for the kids. Just admit when something was wrong and in violation of the rules.

  58. sportmentary says: Apr 4, 2012 2:42 PM

    @claymaker Thanks for your post. I’m glad to see that there are Saints fans that are NFL football foremost. I hope that other Saints fans will follow your lead.

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