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Even with 13 draft picks, Browns may trade down for more

Tom Heckert, Pat Shurmur, Mike Holmgren AP

The bad news in Cleveland is that the Browns have holes at so many positions that rookies could easily make up a quarter of their roster this season. The good news is that they already have enough draft picks to accomplish that — and they may end up with even more.

The Canton Repository reports, citing sources familiar with Browns General Manager Tom Heckert, that the Browns are leaning toward trading out of the fourth pick, although Cleveland isn’t expected to trade down as far or recoup as much as it did last year, when it swapped picks with Atlanta, which coveted Julio Jones.

But any trade down would likely result in the Browns picking up another pick or two in this year’s draft, and the Browns already have a whopping 13, which includes the Falcons’ first- and fourth-round picks through last year’s Jones trade, plus four compensatory selections.

The Browns probably wouldn’t trade out of the No. 4 pick until they’re on the clock on the night of the first round, as any team targeting a player at No. 4 overall ahead of time would be worried that the Vikings would take that player third. But if there’s a good deal to be made by trading down after the Vikings pick, the Browns would be open to making it. And maybe ending up not with 13 picks in this year’s draft, but 14 or 15.

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  1. fijabbersman345 says: Apr 3, 2012 1:57 PM

    Mediocrity continues!!!

  2. wicky888 says: Apr 3, 2012 2:00 PM

    They have 13 picks now. The way I see it, they could draft Jesus Christ and the 12 apostles and they will still suck.

  3. seanincolumbus says: Apr 3, 2012 2:01 PM

    FWIW, Same reporter also said the Browns were going to go hard after Matt Flynn.

  4. clintonportisheadd says: Apr 3, 2012 2:01 PM

    Great. They will have the deepest 5-11 team in the league.

    Maybe someone should have told them the way to win is to GIVE UP picks and land an impact player.

  5. kylecleric says: Apr 3, 2012 2:01 PM

    they need more talent.

  6. maryannwiththeshakyhands says: Apr 3, 2012 2:02 PM

    None of that stuff is really all that important. What will be exciting is seeing the team jog onto the field in those new spiffy Nike uniforms!!!!!!!!!

  7. jthammerstix says: Apr 3, 2012 2:02 PM

    Don’t pass on Claiborne or Blackmon.

  8. meytonpanning says: Apr 3, 2012 2:03 PM

    Somebody’s been paying attention to Bill Bellicheck’s drafting scheme. Smart move Browns!

  9. cmb79 says: Apr 3, 2012 2:07 PM

    Isn’t the maximum number allowed (not counting compensatory picks) 11?

  10. cletusvandam says: Apr 3, 2012 2:07 PM

    How does getting 20 guys in rounds 4-7 help more than getting 3 really solid players early?

  11. Caff says: Apr 3, 2012 2:09 PM

    So Browns avoid impact players in free agency AND in the draft. Interesting strategy. If they’re building through the draft, what the hell are they building cause it’s not an elite football team!!!

  12. baddegg says: Apr 3, 2012 2:11 PM

    wicky888 says:Apr 3, 2012 2:00 PM

    They have 13 picks now. The way I see it, they could draft Jesus Christ and the 12 apostles and they will still suck.

    ————–

    Tebow’s already been signed by New York.

    (come on, that was too easy!)

  13. cannonballdookie says: Apr 3, 2012 2:11 PM

    They need TALENT, guys who are going to make a difference, no point in trading down and drafting more mediocre WR’s in round 2 and getting more defensive ends. Until they have any sort of threats on offense, they will be the same old Browns and will be no better than third place in the division.

  14. telergy says: Apr 3, 2012 2:15 PM

    Bill Billichik? Or you mean that economist who wrote a paper stating that the entire draft is a gamble and youre better off trading for multiple picks to increase your odds of drafting a stud player …cuz thats where Bill got the idea from.

  15. brenenostler says: Apr 3, 2012 2:17 PM

    Quality over quantity. Why does it matter if you have all those picks if all the good players are taken? You should rather have Trent Richardson than five mediocre RBs.

  16. bigdawg2011 says: Apr 3, 2012 2:18 PM

    You forgot the part where they will then take those accumulated picks and later picks to move back into the first and early second..When it is all said and done, Cleveland will have three first rounders and more after that and if they move into the teens it will be another first next year..People laugh now but there will not be a better built team out there when Heckert is finished.. This is how you do it, not overpaying for mediocre free agents..

  17. dixon29 says: Apr 3, 2012 2:18 PM

    They have 13 picks and may trade down for more. Browns GM Tom Heckert has also traded up numerous times in the middle rounds as well. They call him Trader Tom for a reason.

    For all of you saying the Browns will suck no matter what, they had a top 10 defense last year after focusing primarily on defense the last two years. The offense will catch up quickly with a good draft this year for sure.

  18. londonlion81 says: Apr 3, 2012 2:19 PM

    No point them having a bunch of average players. For Cleveland to succeed, they need talent.

  19. 8drinkminimum says: Apr 3, 2012 2:19 PM

    How does this team rate 4 compensatory picks?

  20. reasonsimadrunk says: Apr 3, 2012 2:21 PM

    This strategy is like investing in lottery tickets over a retirement fund.

  21. nflprincess says: Apr 3, 2012 2:22 PM

    They need to collect draft picks for NEXT years draft to get Barkley or equivalent. Without a franchise QB this team is going no where.

  22. ppdoc13 says: Apr 3, 2012 2:30 PM

    Won’t matter anyway. The clowns are destined to finish in the basement of the afcn. Holmgren is a lousy gm and they still don’t have a qb worth a damn.

  23. steelhammer92 says: Apr 3, 2012 2:42 PM

    They’re afraid of picking in the top 10 because they have sucked at doing it ever since they came back in 1999. If they mess up on a pick at #24 or something, it won’t be quite as embarrassing.

  24. pmars64 says: Apr 3, 2012 2:46 PM

    After blowing the RGIII trade, I wonder if the Browns are trying to hedge for the 2013 draft. Collect picks for next year so they can suck this year and try to move up in next year’s draft for a franchise QB. Who knows? Holmgren/Heckert have had their share of hits and misses so far, but blowing on RGIII was a huge and maybe defining miss. It looks like another 10+ loss season and the 9th in 10 years. Browns are the new Detroit Lions – the absolute joke of the league. No wonder Holmgren is considering retiring. It REALLY sucks to be a Browns fan.

  25. babyhorsemorgan says: Apr 3, 2012 2:49 PM

    They have to be chuckling over all the loot they pickpocketed from the Skins for Rofler Goofin the Turd.

  26. omegalh says: Apr 3, 2012 2:49 PM

    wicky888 says:
    Apr 3, 2012 2:00 PM
    They have 13 picks now. The way I see it, they could draft Jesus Christ and the 12 apostles and they will still suck.

    —-

    Agreed. Tebow isn’t very accurate. Why would any of the guys above be able to throw a deep post?

  27. philtration says: Apr 3, 2012 2:51 PM

    This hording of lower round draft picks instead of getting some really good players in the 1st and 2nd round is what cost Jerry Angelo his job in Chicago.

    Impact players are chosen high in the draft for a reason and bringing in a dozen mediocre guys is not what the Browns need to do.

  28. castleofcheese says: Apr 3, 2012 2:54 PM

    It seems like the law of diminishing returns may apply here…

  29. maryannwiththeshakyhands says: Apr 3, 2012 2:56 PM

    If you can look beyond the Hardesty pick Heckert seems to do his best work in the 2nd round. Lesean McCoy 2nd (53rd) and Desean Jackson 2nd (49th) and TJ Ward 2nd (38th)are a few good examples. So as long as he obtains more 2nd rounders it’s a good plan, anything below that is where he struggles.

  30. jollyrob68 says: Apr 3, 2012 2:59 PM

    How about you take the talent in front of you and stop moving back. MAybe you’ll actually be able to compete.

  31. emoorm says: Apr 3, 2012 3:07 PM

    Ask the Cowboys and Jerry Jones how that strategy worked out in 2009!

    Quality always trumps quantity.

  32. mallyredskins says: Apr 3, 2012 3:08 PM

    This organization is totally DUMB!!! and to think they got mad at the Redskins for trading with the Rams. The browns are CLEARLY confused. what is all these picks going to do for them? Wowwww they got a young roster that isnt talented? Like last year, they clearly should have gotten Julio Jones, wouldve made a difference for Colt. They have no direction and trading back to get more picks should be OLD TO THEM. You would think they would learn, apparently not. Sucks to be in CLEVELAND HA!

  33. savocabol1 says: Apr 3, 2012 3:10 PM

    Utter garbage if we trade down out of the 4.

  34. td40 says: Apr 3, 2012 3:10 PM

    ppdoc13 says:
    Apr 3, 2012 2:30 PM

    Won’t matter anyway. The clowns are destined to finish in the basement of the afcn. Holmgren is a lousy gm
    —————————————–

    ha ha.. “ppdoc13″ is always in such a hissyfit to leave nasty comments about the Browns that he doesn’t even know who their GM is. “Hey everybody, look at me! I’m sarcastic *and* clueless!”

  35. weismobile says: Apr 3, 2012 3:24 PM

    More raw materials to be churned through the Factory Of Sadness.

  36. EJ says: Apr 3, 2012 3:25 PM

    cmb79 says:
    Apr 3, 2012 2:07 PM
    Isn’t the maximum number allowed (not counting compensatory picks) 11?

    I think you are thinking about Madden.

  37. asublimeday says: Apr 3, 2012 3:31 PM

    This hording of lower round draft picks instead of getting some really good players in the 1st and 2nd round is what cost Jerry Angelo his job in Chicago.

    Impact players are chosen high in the draft for a reason and bringing in a dozen mediocre guys is not what the Browns need to do.
    —————
    The whiffing on draft picks, the inability to surround cutler with a competent cast of weapons (or a coordinator), and especially whiffing on the backup QB situation cost Angelo his job.

  38. 808raiderinparadise says: Apr 3, 2012 3:37 PM

    Use 6 picks on QB’s and 7 on WR’s … maybe cleveland can field someting respectable.

  39. bigdawg2011 says: Apr 3, 2012 3:40 PM

    mallyredskins says:

    “This organization is totally DUMB!!! and to think they got mad at the Redskins for trading with the Rams. The browns are CLEARLY confused. what is all these picks going to do for them? Wowwww they got a young roster that isnt talented? Like last year, they clearly should have gotten Julio Jones, wouldve made a difference for Colt. They have no direction and trading back to get more picks should be OLD TO THEM. You would think they would learn, apparently not. Sucks to be in CLEVELAND HA!”
    ——————————————————
    You are nominated for dummy of the year! No One is mad in Cleveland. You couldn’t handle the truth about what really happened..Do you honestly think that Cleveland couldn’t outbid your hapless skins? Holmgren and Heckert didn’t want him but needed to appease certain fans and media, because if they showed no interest they would be persecuted. You ever hear them say anything good about Griffin leading up to the draft besides he is a good kid and great Athlete..Look what he says about other QB’s. Not getting Bobby Griffin is the best move that we could have made and it was played to perfection. While you build your team around a guy that did less than any QB ever in a Art Briles system and overpay wildly for #2 and 3 receivers and continue to make the stupidest moves of any franchise all the while traded your future away and young talent with reasonable contracts..Washington is the most poorly run organization there is and that is a fact. I feel sorry for you Skins fans..watch how it is done the right way, while you sit in the cellar for the foreseeable future. Poor Skins..when will you ever learn?

  40. 12strikes says: Apr 3, 2012 3:46 PM

    They are the BROWNS, the NFL could award them every pick in the draft, and they still would be 4-1o to 8-8.

  41. Chris Henry's Wild Ride says: Apr 3, 2012 3:55 PM

    mallyredskins says:
    Apr 3, 2012 3:08 PM
    This organization is totally DUMB!!! and to think they got mad at the Redskins for trading with the Rams. The browns are CLEARLY confused. what is all these picks going to do for them? Wowwww they got a young roster that isnt talented? Like last year, they clearly should have gotten Julio Jones, wouldve made a difference for Colt. They have no direction and trading back to get more picks should be OLD TO THEM. You would think they would learn, apparently not. Sucks to be in CLEVELAND HA!
    ————————————-
    Redskins fans shouldn’t be allowed to call anyone elses organizations dumb. You just blew all your cap space on mediocre wide receivers that are making big money, and blew all your first round draft picks for the next 3 years for an unproven (yet very promising) talent. Yes RGIII looks exciting, but so did Ryan Leaf once upon a time. And now he’s running from the law.

  42. zn0rseman says: Apr 3, 2012 3:55 PM

    Are they seriously planning to gut their roster of nearly half of the existing players? 15-20 additions this offseason from draft picks, undrafted free agents and free agents, would literally mean half of their team will be new to the organization when they first step onto the field in the regular season.

    I doubt they are planning to make such a massive overhaul. Rather, I’m betting this is a smokescreen designed to make people think they don’t want who everyone thinks they want, in order to minimize the chance of a team trading ahead of them with the Vikings and taking said player.

  43. estanley1974 says: Apr 3, 2012 3:56 PM

    Not sure what all the complaints are about. No Draft Pick is a sure thing. People have CLE slated to pick Tannehill at 4. Really? 4? When, in the history of the NFL Draft, has 3, supposed, Franchise QBs gone in the top 4. As a CLE fan and Season ticket holder, I hope they trade down. In the history of the Draft, some of the biggest impact players in the game were not drafted in the top 5. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed spring to mind. Browns can easily get two impact players in the 1st rd and still pick up more picks. Trading three 1st rd picks for Griffin is not a luxury the Browns have right now. Best trade they never made.

  44. chrisfrye5 says: Apr 3, 2012 3:56 PM

    Sorry Browns fans… But for those that criticized the trade down last year… You netted Phil Taylor (Starter), Jabaal Sheard (Starter) and Greg Little (Starter) with thier first 3 picks. Owen Marecic (Starting FB – jury still out). The Packers, Steeler and Patriots build through the draft. There is no quick fix to this team, but they are close.

    The scenario’s typically out there have the Browns trading back to #6 (or even 8)and picking up a 2nd Rounder and/or a future #1. At 6, you still get Claiborne or Richardson. At 8, you still get one of those guys or Michael Floyd. Tannehill is NOT the answer… If you come out of this draft with Richardson (6), Kendall Wright (22), Mike Adams (33) and Zach Brown (37) – Would you complain?

    Teams that sustain success are built through the draft. Look at the strengths of this team, Haden, Sheard, Taylor, Rubin, Cribbs (undrafted FA), Little, Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, D’Qwell Jackson.. All drafted and would be key contributors for any team. Pinkston finished strong, add the above and this team is poised for a big jump forward. With 20 million in cap space, my guess is they attack free agency after the draft, when it is clear what free agents can be had much more reasonably and what holes were not filled through the draft.

    I have been a die-hard fan my entire life. Butch Davis and Phil Savage killed us, Mangini tried the quick fix (like him as a coach – not personnel) and we ended up a OLD team. Give the current management a chance, give Colt a full off-season of OTA’s and Training Camp to learn the WCO. This was his 3rd offense in 3 years. If we fail miserably, we have loaded up on young talent and get a Matt Barkley, Landry Jones… or next years RGIII (who knew him before the season last year… I guarantee NOT many!). We are getting younger and the Steeler and Ravens have cap challenges and will need to replace superstars in the next few years. If things go right… the Browns will play meaningful games in December and the Dawg Pound will be rocking!

  45. snowpea84 says: Apr 3, 2012 3:59 PM

    If theres one thing to know about the draft it’s that it’s hit or miss. Meaning, the best way to succeed is to take as many shots as possible.

    A team is much more likely to go 1 for 3 than 1 for 1.

    The more second round picks the better. High draft picks are harder to cut and are expected to get playing time no matter what.

  46. cpo187 says: Apr 3, 2012 4:01 PM

    Best move would be to trade with the Dolphins at 8. Tannehill @ 4, Richardson/Caliborne @ 5, Blackmon @ 6, Reiff @ 7, and at the 8 spot they would still get Richardson or Claiborne, which is the 2 they are trying to decide between anyway. Plus they get more picks. Pretty sure Rams want/need Blackmon for Bradford and the Jags want/need Reiff to protect Gabbert and Miami seems desperate for a QB so they might be willing to make the trade if they feel like someone else might move up for Tannehill.

  47. lbcoach34 says: Apr 3, 2012 4:11 PM

    Unfortunately – the Canton Repository is full of fluff based on recent history…Matt Flynn, c’mon!

  48. lbcoach34 says: Apr 3, 2012 4:11 PM

    they could package pick in a 2 for one to move up and endof having less than 13 when it’s all said and done

  49. mungman69 says: Apr 3, 2012 4:21 PM

    I don’t think McCoy is the answer at QB. I don’t know if the guy from A&M is either but the Browns gotta go after him.

  50. radrntn says: Apr 3, 2012 4:23 PM

    wow if you can fit 13 guys on your 53 man squad, you really do suck

  51. rpiotr01 says: Apr 3, 2012 4:44 PM

    13 picks and looking for more? Sorry Mike Holmgren, but no one out-Thompson’s the real Ted Thompson. No One.

  52. kylemc1986 says: Apr 3, 2012 4:48 PM

    Build for Barkley

  53. butteredsanta says: Apr 3, 2012 6:06 PM

    mallyredskins says:
    Apr 3, 2012 3:08 PM
    This organization is totally DUMB!!! and to think they got mad at the Redskins for trading with the Rams. The browns are CLEARLY confused. what is all these picks going to do for them? Wowwww they got a young roster that isnt talented? Like last year, they clearly should have gotten Julio Jones, wouldve made a difference for Colt. They have no direction and trading back to get more picks should be OLD TO THEM. You would think they would learn, apparently not. Sucks to be in CLEVELAND HA!

    Just when you thought you saw it all, a Redskins fan calling out another team for mismanagement. True the Browns are not a model franchise but if one is worse, it’s Washington. If you look up “mismanged” you see Snyder’s picture. Leave the “calling out” to the elite teams. You are perennial bottom feeders as well

  54. philly2boston says: Apr 3, 2012 9:00 PM

    Quick question.. Isn’t there a Rookie cap number still? If so that’s a helluva challenge.

  55. heygfy says: Apr 3, 2012 9:13 PM

    If Browns trade down to 6 I’m willing to bet Kalil, Richardson and Blackmon will all be gone. This leaves the Browns with Claiborne being the top rated guy (I’m sure his stupidity will help him fit in in CLE) or they will take Tannehill and use the rest of their picks to fill in holes around the team.

  56. Mike Holmgrem's Chins says: Apr 3, 2012 9:22 PM

    I say screw it! You have 13 picks, lets get the likes of Trich and Michael Floyd in here and forget getting an extra 2nd round. Let’s get some Elite talent here and forget about going after second rate talent. QUALITY over quantity! Let’s not waste high picks on a corner who scores 4 on his wonderlic or draft some 2 nd round QB talent because the hacks at ESPN think its the right move.
    You averaged 13 points per game last year! And please don’t take a 29 year old QB in the first round. We don’t need a Chris Weike clone in Cleveland. Let’s get TR, MK or even Justin Blackmon in here instead of the horrid offense we had last year.

  57. mrfrostyj says: Apr 3, 2012 10:33 PM

    So far Tom Heckart has proven that he knows what he’s doing as far as drafting (and that he might have been the brains of the operation in Philly after last years “Dream Team” debacle). The Browns after all the trading up and down they’ve done since he’s gotten their have built one of the top defenses in the league and the few offensive moves he’s made in the later rounds have produced over achieving starters (3rd rounder McCoy who’s outplayed every other QB in his draft class and 2nd rounder Greg Little who had similar rookie stats as Julio Jones).

    It’s obvious to me if the Browns can find a serviceable starting QB and receiver in later rounds and a running back in the NFL dollar bin like they did Hillis. Imagine what will happen when that team actually attempts to target their offense?

  58. tsr3000 says: Apr 4, 2012 10:43 AM

    I can easily see Floyd being better than Blackmon. I can even see guys like Wilson and Miller being better than Richardson.

    Why not score another 2nd and 2rd rounder (maybe even more), draft one of those guys and potentially add 6 starters in one draft.

    Seems like a no-brainer. Blackmon is NOT Calvin. Richardson is NOT AP.

  59. greg81054 says: Apr 4, 2012 11:41 AM

    Cleveland has always found a way to screw it up. they were weak when getting big name free agents and now with the draft they are going to fornicate themselves once again. No wonder we never can compile a great team when they only look at getting players who are medium to poor at best. They take tight ends and pay them 3 million dollars that are washed up and trade Hillis a great running back who they could have kept for the same price. When he plays he gives it 110%. Why do I keep putting my hopes into a team who sucks for the last 50 years the owner doesn’t want to win

  60. utteke says: Apr 4, 2012 1:28 PM

    The Browns did not trade Hillis. He was an unrestricted free agent and was able to sign with anyone he wanted to.

  61. drstove says: Apr 4, 2012 1:35 PM

    I’ve been saying it for weeks. The Browns are too cheap to pay for a player picked 4th in the draft. They keep filling the stadium for every home game so why bother spending the money on an impact player when you can sign later round draft choices for less. This crap will never change as long as fans keep filling the stadium.

  62. hedphurst says: Apr 5, 2012 12:43 PM

    chrisfrye5 says:
    Apr 3, 2012 3:56 PM

    I have been a die-hard fan my entire life. Butch Davis and Phil Savage killed us, Mangini tried the quick fix (like him as a coach – not personnel) and we ended up a OLD team. Give the current management a chance, give Colt a full off-season of OTA’s and Training Camp to learn the WCO. This was his 3rd offense in 3 years.

    I agree with most of your post, but not the assertion that Mangini tried the quick fix. If anything, he made the unpopular, but necessary, moves that paved the way for Heckert to rebuild this team the right way. He blew up the old roster, got rid of the big egos and flashy players that he knew weren’t actually helping the team get better (K2, Braylon, etc). Then he signed undervalued players that he knew would accept coaching, and got more production out of that roster than the previous coaches had been able to get out of much more talented players. I’m not saying we should have kept Mangini, or that I want him back, but he DID make H&H’s job much easier by getting rid of the dead weight and replacing it with easily cuttable veterans…

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