2. Has anyone thought that just because someone gives an order to do something doesn’t mean it’s going to be followed. Williams’ speech and everything else I’ve heard is all circumstantial. Show me the illegal hits and then we’ll talk.

3. Personally, I believe that the Saints are a victim of their own success. Especially, when the majority of America wouldn’t mind if the Patriots, Packers, and Colts or most likely now Denver with Payton Manning rotated winning the Super Bowl every year! Truth be told the NFL and the football press had a virtual heart attack when the Aints won the Super Bowl. While the nation pretended to love the team they secretly hoped for the Saints demise. In the back of everyone’s mind they hated that the lowly saints finally put it all together to win it all. They said to themselves how could this ass backwards team from an ass backwards city beat our nations football heroes?! The NFL wanted to change the overtime rules right after the Saints beat their precious Brett Farve! The Sainta were pushed around for 43 years, finally decided to push back, and now everyone is upset. Where are the string of injuries caused by the vicious saints d?! Where is the physical evidence of intended harm?! If some plans to kill you, even if they don’t succeed, there is at least physical evidence of the intent being carried out! Where is it?! Where is the research based data that links the Saints to increased injuries or the footage of Saints performing illegal hits on their opponents?! What the NFL and the press have shown so far is circumstantial at best. Can anybody on this forum honestly say that you followed order your boss gave you to the letter?! I thought not. Payton Manning makes a very good living NOT following every play and order his coaches give him! Why is everyone assuming that because Williams said something, it was automatically carried out like the players on the saint are a bunch of robot that do exactly what their master said to do?! There has been no REAL evidence of the accusations, just evidence of intent and as any ADULT knows intentions aren’t good enough, you have to follow through!!!

Gregg Williams is awesome and is my hero. He makes John Kreese look like a freaking Nancy boy.

Never played the game on any level did you…….

Taints and fans showing true colors!
Priceless

Initially, I figured Payton would skate through this relatively unscathed outside the year’s lost income. But it gets uglier all the time. This is going to stick to him.

Slow news day huh, You guys are still beating this dead horse. This isnt news. This is regeratation at its finest.
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I hate to be the edit jerk, but first of all it’s regurgitation. More importantly, if you don’t think this is news, you’ve got your head firmly planted in the sand. This is taped evidence of Williams specifically ordering his players to injure other players, as well as instructing them in the best way to do so. Throw in his offer to be the first to pay a guy for doing so, and every accusation made my the league is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Forget the 50,000 pages of evidence, this one recording is all the league needs. Finally, when you consider when this was taken, it demonstrates the institutional arrogance and stupidity that was running rampant it seems in the Saints organization. Think about it, Williams allowed himself to be taped shortly before the playoff game against the 49ers, which is about two weeks after being informed that the investigation had been reopened. Did he think the league office reopened a case they failed to prove before on a whim? Didn’t he stop to think they might have some new evidence, and if not, didn’t he think that allowing himself to be taped in such a way might come back to bit him in the rear? This recording is news alright. It’s just not news you like. There is a difference.

Gregg Williams is awesome and is my hero. He makes John Kreese look like a freaking Nancy boy.

And to all you p#ssy’s saying this is wrong, you are what is wrong with this country. You are clogging up the gene pool with estrogen. This is America dammit, the goal is to win. The goal is to win at any cost. You want to be a sissy “we gave it out best” loser move to Europe.

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Do you walk around in your normal day-to-day life saying garbage like this? You do realize that you resemble a sound byte of Kenny Powers from Eastbound & Down, right?

And yes, what was done WAS wrong, on multiple levels, but you contradict yourself on one fundamental point. As you note, the primary goal in a competitive situation like a football game might, arguably, be to win. However, that is not the same goal as going out to intentionally hurt or injure people (or providing incentives to go injure people). Those are two separate concepts, two different goals. I like watching football – I don’t like watching guys get carried out on stretchers after lying motionless on the ground for 15 minutes.

Fact is, my father GAVE his best in Europe, and is buried in a military cemetery there. He died so jerks and foulmouths like you can spew your trash. People pointing out what’s wrong with Williams’ approach isn’t what’s wrong with America. It’s low-lifes like you.

If I were Drew Brees, I would demand a trade or retire!
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Oh please!

I’m betting her figure will resemble that of an offensive lineman. Jets, HAH!

I am pretty sure that defense ended legally and morally in the ’40s. . .

From this day forward…so it be said,,,so it be written…I am anti NO Saints…..SCUMBAGS !
Going out to injure a players head or acl…..
there is no room for this in sports….this is not war..it is a sport

The problem with this country and this world is that there are morons like you that inhabit it that think “win at all costs” is acceptable. Years ago one of if not the greatest coach of all time, Vince Lombardi stated contrary to what is popularly misquoted, “Winning isn’t everything striving to win is”. What is next, sharpshooters taking out key players from opposing teams? Did Don Shula ever do anything like this, how about Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, Chuck Noll? The answer is a resounding NO!

Stop being so sensitive. First of all, anyone who has played defense understands the dark place you have to go when you step between the lines. Secondly, if the NFL didn’t force teams to disclose injuries to every person in the world there wouldn’t be that understanding to go after a glaring weakness. Thirdly, it is perfectly legal to hit running backs in the head and receivers in the knee. If they are worried about getting hit legally in an injured area then they should try men’s softball. Fourthly, it is up to the refs to control the game. The Saints got away with this all season because they were rarely flagged for doing things in the pile. Williams understands the league refs always get the retaliation. So use someones head to get up and upset them enough to retaliate.

It’s the game of football. It is not a game of kings, or gentlemen, or a pastime, or the beautiful game. It is a game of brutality and pretending it is anything else is for lawyers and over protective mothers.

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Another idiot. You get suspended for just throwing a punch in the NFL and it’s always been like that. It’s never been the point to injure guys. There’s no room in the game for targeting a guy’s ACL and purposely ending his livelyhood. Defensive players are always talking about crack-back blocks taking out their knees and ending their career. No one wants that to be part of the game.

Actually, I’ve thought he looks like William Peterson (Grissom from “CSI”)…

My god, just uphold the suspensions and move on. This whole trial in the media is beyond ridiculous. THANK GOD real hearings where your actual freedom is dependent…aren’t handled in any similar fashion. The lynch mob mentality would have every person sent to the gallows.

Open your eyes fans. Did Williams do “bad” things…of course. How this audio is anything new I am not sure. If he was instructing people to hurt players…well isn’t this what he was already punished for? Somehow hearing him say it…makes it worse than what your imagination heard? Dude definitely stepped across a line I don’t think you should…no doubt about it.

Although this point will completely fall on deaf ears in this forum. Obviously the players didn’t exactly listen to everything he was saying. It wasn’t like the Saints “carted off” players at any different ration than every other Sunday football game. Warner was 110% clean hit, came back the next series and is quoted as saying it was a good hit when interviewed. Favre was beat up before even starting the Saints game. Did he get worked in that game…damn straight. But even as Favre said in his interview, “that’s football”.

Get off the high horses boys. It just hurts more when you fall. Look at the Carlos Rogers piece from today…he sums things up in a nutshell.

Gregg Williams is awesome and is my hero. He makes John Kreese look like a freaking Nancy boy.

And to all you p#ssy’s saying this is wrong, you are what is wrong with this country. You are clogging up the gene pool with estrogen. This is America dammit, the goal is to win. The goal is to win at any cost. You want to be a sissy “we gave it out best” loser move to Europe.

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You idiot. When your are sending your son on the field and the opposing coach is trying to tear his ACL I’m sure you will be really happy. Just shut up. It’s a full contact sport, not a war. The players still have to be standing to be able to play the game next week.