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	<title>Comments on: Wonderlic reporting raises questions, dilemmas, hypocrisy</title>
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		<title>By: joe.attaboy</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/wonderlic-reporting-raises-questions-dilemmas-hypocris/#comment-1705232</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joe.attaboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 10:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This might be going out on a limb of sorts, but there may be another reason, simple, logical why Claiborne did poorly on the test: he may just be bad at taking tests. (If anyone addressed this already, sorry).

Having spent a few years in education (as well as being married to a 32-year teacher/school administrator), the simple fact is that sometimes, very smart people (or just average &quot;smart&quot; people) screw up on tests. Some feel pressure from being timed, some are better at taking time to look at a problem and solving it, and some just don&#039;t do well under that kind of pressure, mild as it may be to some of us. Claiborne may just be one of those guys. If he does have a learning disability like dyslexia, that makes it a bit tougher. We don&#039;t know, he shouldn&#039;t have to say, and it&#039;s nobody&#039;s business anyway.

The fact that this guy has played college football at a level that would make him a potential top-ten pick, especially at a position that requires the ability to observe, analyze and react in fractions of a second (in addition to having the mandatory physical skills) indicates to me that he may be a lot smarter than the score of some timed multiple-guess test could ever indicate.

In the end, if the man plays the way he&#039;s projected and winds up making All Pro and a lot of money, his score is going to be a meaningless part of his life story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might be going out on a limb of sorts, but there may be another reason, simple, logical why Claiborne did poorly on the test: he may just be bad at taking tests. (If anyone addressed this already, sorry).</p>
<p>Having spent a few years in education (as well as being married to a 32-year teacher/school administrator), the simple fact is that sometimes, very smart people (or just average &#8220;smart&#8221; people) screw up on tests. Some feel pressure from being timed, some are better at taking time to look at a problem and solving it, and some just don&#8217;t do well under that kind of pressure, mild as it may be to some of us. Claiborne may just be one of those guys. If he does have a learning disability like dyslexia, that makes it a bit tougher. We don&#8217;t know, he shouldn&#8217;t have to say, and it&#8217;s nobody&#8217;s business anyway.</p>
<p>The fact that this guy has played college football at a level that would make him a potential top-ten pick, especially at a position that requires the ability to observe, analyze and react in fractions of a second (in addition to having the mandatory physical skills) indicates to me that he may be a lot smarter than the score of some timed multiple-guess test could ever indicate.</p>
<p>In the end, if the man plays the way he&#8217;s projected and winds up making All Pro and a lot of money, his score is going to be a meaningless part of his life story.</p>
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		<title>By: kwken</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/wonderlic-reporting-raises-questions-dilemmas-hypocris/#comment-1705069</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kwken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 03:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yo Flo, there is absolutely no reason to apologize for someone under achieving on a test.  You reported the vertical leaps, 40 yard dashes, and bench presses.  Why not the academic side of the coin?  

There should be an investigation into not only LSU, but all other collegiate programs disguising themselves as caring about their student-athletes.

I have searched for a wonderlic test online but have not found one.  Could you provide one so that we can gauge our brain power with you and your staff.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo Flo, there is absolutely no reason to apologize for someone under achieving on a test.  You reported the vertical leaps, 40 yard dashes, and bench presses.  Why not the academic side of the coin?  </p>
<p>There should be an investigation into not only LSU, but all other collegiate programs disguising themselves as caring about their student-athletes.</p>
<p>I have searched for a wonderlic test online but have not found one.  Could you provide one so that we can gauge our brain power with you and your staff.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: coopey33</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/wonderlic-reporting-raises-questions-dilemmas-hypocris/#comment-1704830</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[coopey33]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 00:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you are going to apologize, just do it.  Don&#039;t apologize with a but.  Weak]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are going to apologize, just do it.  Don&#8217;t apologize with a but.  Weak</p>
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		<title>By: getsome99</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/wonderlic-reporting-raises-questions-dilemmas-hypocris/#comment-1704530</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[getsome99]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 22:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apr 5, 2012 3:02 PM 
digitaldonnie says:
Apr 5, 2012 2:48 PM
No need to apologize Mike….he is built to play football…..not teach math at a middle school. I laugh at him, cause I know im smarter. He can laugh at me cause Im no athlete.

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What he will be laughing at in about six months time is your bank account

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And in 5 years, we can all laugh at Claiborne again for being broke.  And still dumb.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apr 5, 2012 3:02 PM<br />
digitaldonnie says:<br />
Apr 5, 2012 2:48 PM<br />
No need to apologize Mike….he is built to play football…..not teach math at a middle school. I laugh at him, cause I know im smarter. He can laugh at me cause Im no athlete.</p>
<p>———————————————<br />
What he will be laughing at in about six months time is your bank account</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
And in 5 years, we can all laugh at Claiborne again for being broke.  And still dumb.</p>
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		<title>By: hannahduccab1</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/wonderlic-reporting-raises-questions-dilemmas-hypocris/#comment-1704427</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hannahduccab1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 22:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would Florio be receiving criticism if Claiborne was white?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would Florio be receiving criticism if Claiborne was white?</p>
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		<title>By: andyreiddoublecheeseburger</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/wonderlic-reporting-raises-questions-dilemmas-hypocris/#comment-1704348</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[andyreiddoublecheeseburger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 21:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike, don&#039;t worry about the &quot;mockery&quot;- that&#039;s what we&#039;re here for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, don&#8217;t worry about the &#8220;mockery&#8221;- that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re here for.</p>
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		<title>By: cowherpower</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/wonderlic-reporting-raises-questions-dilemmas-hypocris/#comment-1704333</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cowherpower]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 21:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A bag of hammers could score a 4 . u think claiborne spelled his name right ????]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bag of hammers could score a 4 . u think claiborne spelled his name right ????</p>
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		<title>By: screamingsheep69</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/wonderlic-reporting-raises-questions-dilemmas-hypocris/#comment-1704302</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[screamingsheep69]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 21:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good job Florio. As one of your long time followers, keep up the good work. Now get me my original username back and tell Larry I never got my replacement t-shirt 4 years ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job Florio. As one of your long time followers, keep up the good work. Now get me my original username back and tell Larry I never got my replacement t-shirt 4 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: pastabelly</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/wonderlic-reporting-raises-questions-dilemmas-hypocris/#comment-1704292</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pastabelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 21:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I heard the guys on Fox Sports Radio rip Florio a new one too.  I agree the bigger story here is what, if anything, LSU did to help him other than use him to play football for nothing.  This is not Florio&#039;s fault and the Wonderlic should have been administered differently to a kid with a learning disability.  Who is advising this kid?  Too easy for the hypocrites to shoot the messenger here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard the guys on Fox Sports Radio rip Florio a new one too.  I agree the bigger story here is what, if anything, LSU did to help him other than use him to play football for nothing.  This is not Florio&#8217;s fault and the Wonderlic should have been administered differently to a kid with a learning disability.  Who is advising this kid?  Too easy for the hypocrites to shoot the messenger here.</p>
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		<title>By: granadafan</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/wonderlic-reporting-raises-questions-dilemmas-hypocris/#comment-1704130</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[granadafan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No apology required Florio. Most of us know that PFT is not a real news site. It&#039;s a blog where opinions are offered (mostly) humorously.  The bigger story lays in this supposed dyslexia AFTER the fact spread by his agent who allegedly didn&#039;t know about this supposed dyslexia, which was retroactively &quot;diagnosed&quot; in high school.  Who did this supposed diagnosis? Trained people or PR agents from LSU who doctored the results to get him qualified.  

The other big story should fall smack dab on LSU who ought to be investigated by the media and/or the NCAA for fraudulently keeping a kid like Claiborne in school just so he could play football.  LSU is trying to keep this fraud under wraps just like Penn St did with Sandusky.  However, it took the power of the national media to blow the story up and the fraudsters were exposed.  This needs to happen at LSU and any other SEC school.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No apology required Florio. Most of us know that PFT is not a real news site. It&#8217;s a blog where opinions are offered (mostly) humorously.  The bigger story lays in this supposed dyslexia AFTER the fact spread by his agent who allegedly didn&#8217;t know about this supposed dyslexia, which was retroactively &#8220;diagnosed&#8221; in high school.  Who did this supposed diagnosis? Trained people or PR agents from LSU who doctored the results to get him qualified.  </p>
<p>The other big story should fall smack dab on LSU who ought to be investigated by the media and/or the NCAA for fraudulently keeping a kid like Claiborne in school just so he could play football.  LSU is trying to keep this fraud under wraps just like Penn St did with Sandusky.  However, it took the power of the national media to blow the story up and the fraudsters were exposed.  This needs to happen at LSU and any other SEC school.</p>
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		<title>By: kathyisintheroom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kathyisintheroom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@drgfri


Keep waitin till it starts raining pigs.

I dont owe you a damn thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@drgfri</p>
<p>Keep waitin till it starts raining pigs.</p>
<p>I dont owe you a damn thing.</p>
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		<title>By: fdugrad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fdugrad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am confused about the test&#039;s purpose.  Some seem to feel as though it is an IQ test, others appear to believe it is a test of academic skills.  Is it one or the other, or perhaps a combination of the two?  One can have a very high IQ and struggle with academic subjects.  On the other hand, if one has a low IQ then the scope and nature of problems encountered by the individual daily are decidedly more difficult as expectations and situations related to general functioning become more complex.   This MUST cause teams SOME concern if the score is very low.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am confused about the test&#8217;s purpose.  Some seem to feel as though it is an IQ test, others appear to believe it is a test of academic skills.  Is it one or the other, or perhaps a combination of the two?  One can have a very high IQ and struggle with academic subjects.  On the other hand, if one has a low IQ then the scope and nature of problems encountered by the individual daily are decidedly more difficult as expectations and situations related to general functioning become more complex.   This MUST cause teams SOME concern if the score is very low.</p>
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		<title>By: eyeh8goodell</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/wonderlic-reporting-raises-questions-dilemmas-hypocris/#comment-1704021</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eyeh8goodell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Wonderlic isn&#039;t designed to test one&#039;s learning ability. So whether or not he has one (thus far we&#039;ve not been offered any evidence of any kind that&#039;s even true) makes no difference. It&#039;s designed to test baseline intelligence.....which has nothing to do with test taking and everything to do with critical thinking. 

Millions of kids are skating under the guise of a learning disability, which is insulting to those who actually have them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wonderlic isn&#8217;t designed to test one&#8217;s learning ability. So whether or not he has one (thus far we&#8217;ve not been offered any evidence of any kind that&#8217;s even true) makes no difference. It&#8217;s designed to test baseline intelligence&#8230;..which has nothing to do with test taking and everything to do with critical thinking. </p>
<p>Millions of kids are skating under the guise of a learning disability, which is insulting to those who actually have them.</p>
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		<title>By: xx4zu1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xx4zu1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Florio don&#039;t be b1tch screw those guys they&#039;re just p1ssed u broke something about either their favorite player or someone their favorite team covets.  
The reality is most Student-Athletes wouldn&#039;t be students if it weren&#039;t for the athlete suffix.  It&#039;s a well know fact and it starts as early as high school. Stay true to what got you to where you are don&#039;t lose that edge. Often times scrubs try to make a name for themselves by attacking people who have gotten to where they want to be. Blow that sh1t off and don&#039;t even acknowledge that fool.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Florio don&#8217;t be b1tch screw those guys they&#8217;re just p1ssed u broke something about either their favorite player or someone their favorite team covets.<br />
The reality is most Student-Athletes wouldn&#8217;t be students if it weren&#8217;t for the athlete suffix.  It&#8217;s a well know fact and it starts as early as high school. Stay true to what got you to where you are don&#8217;t lose that edge. Often times scrubs try to make a name for themselves by attacking people who have gotten to where they want to be. Blow that sh1t off and don&#8217;t even acknowledge that fool.</p>
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		<title>By: kjfulch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kjfulch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone else does it so that justifies. Just say you screwed up and leave it at that.   If I was a player I would not take the test.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone else does it so that justifies. Just say you screwed up and leave it at that.   If I was a player I would not take the test.</p>
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		<title>By: bearsrulepackdrool</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bearsrulepackdrool]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why don&#039;t they ever report other people results at the bottom? It&#039;s always the worst one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t they ever report other people results at the bottom? It&#8217;s always the worst one.</p>
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		<title>By: sooner712</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/wonderlic-reporting-raises-questions-dilemmas-hypocris/#comment-1703930</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sooner712]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[rc33 says:  Apr 5, 2012 3:02 PM

Well, as a QB, Vince Young DID turn out to be dumber than a box of rocks and that really hurt his development. Then you throw in his immense maturity issues.
The former 3rd overall pick’s career may be over at 27. They ain’t exactly lining up to sign him. 
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Interesting since his score was 16, according to all football resources he learned a more complicated Eagles offense. As for maturity issues they vanished after Fisher. His career is a long ways from over. BTW  Dan Marino 13, Peyton Manning 25 vs. JaMarcus Russell  24, Ryan Leaf 27.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rc33 says:  Apr 5, 2012 3:02 PM</p>
<p>Well, as a QB, Vince Young DID turn out to be dumber than a box of rocks and that really hurt his development. Then you throw in his immense maturity issues.<br />
The former 3rd overall pick’s career may be over at 27. They ain’t exactly lining up to sign him.<br />
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<p>Interesting since his score was 16, according to all football resources he learned a more complicated Eagles offense. As for maturity issues they vanished after Fisher. His career is a long ways from over. BTW  Dan Marino 13, Peyton Manning 25 vs. JaMarcus Russell  24, Ryan Leaf 27.</p>
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		<title>By: solgoode</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[solgoode]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m only concerned if he&#039;s allowed an &quot;untimed accommodation&quot; to make a sack, tackle or interception!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m only concerned if he&#8217;s allowed an &#8220;untimed accommodation&#8221; to make a sack, tackle or interception!</p>
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		<title>By: brealistic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brealistic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kathyisintheroom.....
Ur statement say&#039;s a lot about you...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathyisintheroom&#8230;..<br />
Ur statement say&#8217;s a lot about you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: upperdecker19</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[upperdecker19]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No apology needed.  

And those of you self righteous wackos that claim that Florio&#039;s opinions expessed on this site &quot;suck&quot;......easy solution.....DON&#039;T COME HERE!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No apology needed.  </p>
<p>And those of you self righteous wackos that claim that Florio&#8217;s opinions expessed on this site &#8220;suck&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;easy solution&#8230;..DON&#8217;T COME HERE!</p>
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		<title>By: dkacb2000</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Im sick of dyslexia being used as an excuse. I have dyslexia and scored above a 25 on the wonderlic. If he has that much of a problem that he could only answer 4 questions in 20 min, then maybe he can&#039;t think quickly enough in a game to make the snap decisions needed for his position. You can be smart or stupid with dyslexia, it doesnt matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im sick of dyslexia being used as an excuse. I have dyslexia and scored above a 25 on the wonderlic. If he has that much of a problem that he could only answer 4 questions in 20 min, then maybe he can&#8217;t think quickly enough in a game to make the snap decisions needed for his position. You can be smart or stupid with dyslexia, it doesnt matter.</p>
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		<title>By: jimmylions</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/wonderlic-reporting-raises-questions-dilemmas-hypocris/#comment-1703889</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For what it&#039;s worth - I don&#039;t think an apology is necessary.

PFT is a blog where writers comment on current events in the NFL. You didn&#039;t hack into the NFL Wonderlic scores. You&#039;re not on Rupurt Murdoch&#039;s sleezeball payroll. You did what you do ... there&#039;s news, you give your opinion, and then the rest of us call you crazy.

I still say the big story isn&#039;t that anyone learned Morris Claiborne&#039;s Wonderlic score, or even whether Claiborne has a learning disability (if he does, he&#039;s got options to learn how to learn -- we live in a nation where we try very hard to come up with learning options). 

The big story is that many NCAA colleges do not care if their athletes are functional illiterates. 

Wonderlic scores that show sub high school intelligence are considered acceptable if a kid can play ball at a professional level. The idea that these kids were &quot;paid&quot; for playing ball at the college level by giving them a scholarship is a joke. Tolerating illiteracy means there was no college education as payment for service. 

Many of these athletes are just uncompensated entertainers making money for their college. The Wonderlic scores prove it.  

The NFL could step in here and demand that players achieve a minimum level on the Wonderlic to be considered for the draft. The exams could be proctored by an independent body (a Prometric testing center for example). 

A minimum required score would expose and shame colleges that are nothing more than football factories. It would also force the NCAA to actually care about backing up their talk about caring about the academic career of student athletes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth &#8211; I don&#8217;t think an apology is necessary.</p>
<p>PFT is a blog where writers comment on current events in the NFL. You didn&#8217;t hack into the NFL Wonderlic scores. You&#8217;re not on Rupurt Murdoch&#8217;s sleezeball payroll. You did what you do &#8230; there&#8217;s news, you give your opinion, and then the rest of us call you crazy.</p>
<p>I still say the big story isn&#8217;t that anyone learned Morris Claiborne&#8217;s Wonderlic score, or even whether Claiborne has a learning disability (if he does, he&#8217;s got options to learn how to learn &#8212; we live in a nation where we try very hard to come up with learning options). </p>
<p>The big story is that many NCAA colleges do not care if their athletes are functional illiterates. </p>
<p>Wonderlic scores that show sub high school intelligence are considered acceptable if a kid can play ball at a professional level. The idea that these kids were &#8220;paid&#8221; for playing ball at the college level by giving them a scholarship is a joke. Tolerating illiteracy means there was no college education as payment for service. </p>
<p>Many of these athletes are just uncompensated entertainers making money for their college. The Wonderlic scores prove it.  </p>
<p>The NFL could step in here and demand that players achieve a minimum level on the Wonderlic to be considered for the draft. The exams could be proctored by an independent body (a Prometric testing center for example). </p>
<p>A minimum required score would expose and shame colleges that are nothing more than football factories. It would also force the NCAA to actually care about backing up their talk about caring about the academic career of student athletes.</p>
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		<title>By: drgfri</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Kathyisintheroom
Why on earth would you feel the need to specify a color of the athletes.  Unless you can tell me why, your comment stinks of racism and should be denounced by all.  I&#039;m waiting...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kathyisintheroom<br />
Why on earth would you feel the need to specify a color of the athletes.  Unless you can tell me why, your comment stinks of racism and should be denounced by all.  I&#8217;m waiting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ufullpj</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/wonderlic-reporting-raises-questions-dilemmas-hypocris/#comment-1703867</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lots of thoughts:

1.  Bob McGinn is a freaking God.  Sorry, but he is.  He&#039;s one of the best writers on Pro Football around, period.
2.  As for PFT, I got to PFT first for sports news because A) they get it right (most of the time, the first time...without having to say, like, say ESPN, that 60% of the time, it works 100% of the time); B) They do it with smart-ass appeal C) When it needs to get serious, it is.  D)  The just do a damn good job.
3.  Doyel is a guy who, it seems, desperately wants to be the white, skinny Jason Whitlock.  Give his employer props - they&#039;ve gone out and hired some very good journalists in other sports - Baseball, Basketball, Etc. but a few - Doyel, Clark Judge - are probably not the best representation of CBS Sports&#039; writers.
4.  As for Claiborne - look, whether anyone likes it or not, when everyone is a great athlete, something has to create differentiation...and in many situations, that&#039;s football intelligence.  And for the amount of investment a team is going to make in him, they have to know how quickly he process information, make a decision, and react.  Sorry, but intelligence scores are incredibly newsworthy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of thoughts:</p>
<p>1.  Bob McGinn is a freaking God.  Sorry, but he is.  He&#8217;s one of the best writers on Pro Football around, period.<br />
2.  As for PFT, I got to PFT first for sports news because A) they get it right (most of the time, the first time&#8230;without having to say, like, say ESPN, that 60% of the time, it works 100% of the time); B) They do it with smart-ass appeal C) When it needs to get serious, it is.  D)  The just do a damn good job.<br />
3.  Doyel is a guy who, it seems, desperately wants to be the white, skinny Jason Whitlock.  Give his employer props &#8211; they&#8217;ve gone out and hired some very good journalists in other sports &#8211; Baseball, Basketball, Etc. but a few &#8211; Doyel, Clark Judge &#8211; are probably not the best representation of CBS Sports&#8217; writers.<br />
4.  As for Claiborne &#8211; look, whether anyone likes it or not, when everyone is a great athlete, something has to create differentiation&#8230;and in many situations, that&#8217;s football intelligence.  And for the amount of investment a team is going to make in him, they have to know how quickly he process information, make a decision, and react.  Sorry, but intelligence scores are incredibly newsworthy.</p>
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		<title>By: sooner712</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sooner712]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wasn&#039;t Vince Young first reported score a misleading leak? For the record his was 15, then why would he stoop to this level of mockery when sport hacks did the same thing to him. I have no respect for &quot;sports writers&quot; that need to belittle others to make themselves look good or appear intelligent. How hard is it to bully someone with less than what you have?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wasn&#8217;t Vince Young first reported score a misleading leak? For the record his was 15, then why would he stoop to this level of mockery when sport hacks did the same thing to him. I have no respect for &#8220;sports writers&#8221; that need to belittle others to make themselves look good or appear intelligent. How hard is it to bully someone with less than what you have?</p>
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		<title>By: citizenstrange</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[citizenstrange]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Issues that will eventually have to be dealt with:

1) Football is an ultra violent sport with severe injuries - intentional and otherwise - occuring almost every single game.

2) College football is a free minor league system for the multi-multi billion dollar per year 
grossing NFL.

3) College football makes colleges and universities millions and bmillions per year with players getting paid absolutely nothing ... at least legally .... besides their scholarship.

4) 99.999% of scholarships are a joke as far as the student athlete receiving any serious college level education.

5) All along the way up and down the system the young men playing are for the most part cannon fodder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Issues that will eventually have to be dealt with:</p>
<p>1) Football is an ultra violent sport with severe injuries &#8211; intentional and otherwise &#8211; occuring almost every single game.</p>
<p>2) College football is a free minor league system for the multi-multi billion dollar per year<br />
grossing NFL.</p>
<p>3) College football makes colleges and universities millions and bmillions per year with players getting paid absolutely nothing &#8230; at least legally &#8230;. besides their scholarship.</p>
<p>4) 99.999% of scholarships are a joke as far as the student athlete receiving any serious college level education.</p>
<p>5) All along the way up and down the system the young men playing are for the most part cannon fodder.</p>
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		<title>By: rc33</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rc33]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, as a QB, Vince Young DID turn out to be dumber than a box of rocks and that really hurt his development. Then you throw in his immense maturity issues.
The former 3rd overall pick&#039;s career may be over at 27. They ain&#039;t exactly lining up to sign him. 

IMO, a bad Wonderlic score coming from a CB is of much less concern than a similarly horrific score put up by a guy I&#039;m hoping to be my QB.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as a QB, Vince Young DID turn out to be dumber than a box of rocks and that really hurt his development. Then you throw in his immense maturity issues.<br />
The former 3rd overall pick&#8217;s career may be over at 27. They ain&#8217;t exactly lining up to sign him. </p>
<p>IMO, a bad Wonderlic score coming from a CB is of much less concern than a similarly horrific score put up by a guy I&#8217;m hoping to be my QB.</p>
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		<title>By: nolarules</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[digitaldonnie says: 
Apr 5, 2012 2:48 PM 
No need to apologize Mike….he is built to play football…..not teach math at a middle school. I laugh at him, cause I know im smarter. He can laugh at me cause Im no athlete.

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What he will be laughing at in about six months time is your bank account]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>digitaldonnie says:<br />
Apr 5, 2012 2:48 PM<br />
No need to apologize Mike….he is built to play football…..not teach math at a middle school. I laugh at him, cause I know im smarter. He can laugh at me cause Im no athlete.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
What he will be laughing at in about six months time is your bank account</p>
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		<title>By: hooterdawg</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;You don’t have to apologize to me Mike, I tune in for the “mockery”. &#039;

@grndizzle : Sure, and you would score a 3 yourself.  

I think the external criticism this site received for the Clairborne mockery is due to the fact that if that criticism was made here, the comments would be deleted. Only flattering remarks - agreeing with the mockery - don&#039;t get deleted here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;You don’t have to apologize to me Mike, I tune in for the “mockery”. &#8216;</p>
<p>@grndizzle : Sure, and you would score a 3 yourself.  </p>
<p>I think the external criticism this site received for the Clairborne mockery is due to the fact that if that criticism was made here, the comments would be deleted. Only flattering remarks &#8211; agreeing with the mockery &#8211; don&#8217;t get deleted here.</p>
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		<title>By: epetk</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve always said that Florio is essentially doing the exact same thing on this blog as Letterman and Jon Stewart do on TV four nights a week. Just, you know, without being funny.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always said that Florio is essentially doing the exact same thing on this blog as Letterman and Jon Stewart do on TV four nights a week. Just, you know, without being funny.</p>
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