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No progress between Flacco, Ravens

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At a time when the Ravens have signed cornerback Lardarius Webb to a long-term deal and, according to G.M. Ozzie Newsome, are possibly heading in that direction with running back Ray Rice, a source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that no progress is being made between the Ravens and quarterback Joe Flacco.

Earlier this week, G.M. Ozzie Newsome said that the team is making progress with Rice, whose rookie contract has expired and who has not signed the franchise tender.  Newsome also said that talks are ongoing with Flacco, but we’re told those talks are going nowhere.

Flacco has one year left on his rookie deal.  “[I]t either gets done or it doesn’t,” Flacco recently said.  “And I’m not really too involved in the process besides letting him know how I feel and letting him take care of that and letting the Baltimore Ravens take care of their side.  And that’s really my involvement.  It’s not about the money, it’s about what you as a player feel that you deserve.  And at the end of the day, they’ll take care of it and I’ll be waiting.”

It could be wise for the Ravens to keep Flacco waiting until he shows what he can do in his contract year.  If, as Flacco says, he’s the best quarterback in the game, he’ll have a chance to prove it by taking the Ravens to the Super Bowl and winning it.

At that point, it would be considerably more expensive to re-sign Flacco.  At that point, however, that would be a good problem to have.

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  1. talkintrashallday says: Apr 6, 2012 3:22 PM

    but….he’s the best QB in the ENTIRE NFL!!!!

  2. doctorfootball says: Apr 6, 2012 3:24 PM

    He’s the best quarterback in the league according to him, right? Just pay him the same as Peyton Manning got from Denver

  3. cbs1971 says: Apr 6, 2012 3:25 PM

    Hmmm…let’s see…Flacco swears he is the best QB in the game, but has no contract yet? LOL!!!!

    Wake up and smell the roses my man….

  4. nikkodawg says: Apr 6, 2012 3:26 PM

    He’s the best in the game so it shouldn’t be too hard to reach a deal.

  5. reesesteel23 says: Apr 6, 2012 3:26 PM

    No progress in your game either….

  6. weepingjebus says: Apr 6, 2012 3:27 PM

    Another major sticking point is that Flacco’s personal assistant Me’Shell won’t agree to return to the Baltimore Purple Cobras for less than $2.4 million guaranteed.

  7. sumoson says: Apr 6, 2012 3:28 PM

    How could there not be ??? He is the best QB in the League right ??? WRONG

  8. ravenution says: Apr 6, 2012 3:28 PM

    Flacco gets a lot of media attention for someone who’s labeled ” uninteresting.”

    Flacco is the best QB in the NFL.

  9. kidpresentable says: Apr 6, 2012 3:30 PM

    Haven’t you ever seen super models appear on talk shows and say that they stayed home on prom night because all the boys were too nervous to ask them out? Flacco is the self-declared best quarterback in the league. The Ravens are probably just trying to build up some courage before asking him to remain their quarterback.

  10. nesportsfan0428 says: Apr 6, 2012 3:31 PM

    Flacco is the #1 QB*. All other QBs* are #2 or lower.

    *Except for Rodgers, the Mannings, Brady, Roethlisberger, Newton, Rivers and most of the NFC.

  11. randomguy9999 says: Apr 6, 2012 3:33 PM

    I thought flacco said he was the best QB in the NFL , what are they thinking? Hell get away! Lol

  12. slippyal2 says: Apr 6, 2012 3:33 PM

    It’s hard to argue with a delusional guy who thinks he should get Peyton and Tom Brady money.

  13. jenniferxxx says: Apr 6, 2012 3:33 PM

    Flacco is nuts. He’s a decent, solid, middle-range QB … who unfortunately thinks he’s a top-5 talent. It’s just crazy.

  14. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Apr 6, 2012 3:33 PM

    It’s going to be hard to bridge the gap between what Flacco feels that he deserves and what the Ravens feel he deserves, since Flacco believes he’s the best QB in the NFL and I’m guessing the Ravens are offering signficantly below “best QB in the NFL” money.

  15. whatnojets says: Apr 6, 2012 3:34 PM

    Don’t worry Joe! You, being the best NFL quaterback, will surely get your well deserved contract one of these days!

  16. huskersrock1 says: Apr 6, 2012 3:34 PM

    Well he is the best QB in hte league. I am sure he wants to be paid like it. (eye roll)

  17. kobra2k4 says: Apr 6, 2012 3:34 PM

    I did not realize that he was the best there is….color me flabbergasted

  18. dannyreneau says: Apr 6, 2012 3:34 PM

    He isn’t even the best in his division.

  19. richiebburg says: Apr 6, 2012 3:35 PM

    “It’s not about the money, it’s about what you as a player feel that you deserve.”

    Which is money right? lol..

  20. nfl1818 says: Apr 6, 2012 3:35 PM

    the odds of them making the playoffs are quite high, but the odds of them winning the SB are quite low – the D is getting older and worse, Flacco is probably a 2nd quartile QB, the offense is limited and one dimensional, the HOGs on both sides no longer top 1 or 2, they lost some guys and a coach, etc.

    unless Ozzie has a huge draft – and he’s one of the best – I see the Ravens taking a step back next year – with a still high floor but a ceiling that is coming down

  21. mikelitoris1 says: Apr 6, 2012 3:36 PM

    “With the 29th pick in the NFL draft, the Baltimore Ravens select Brandon Weeden.”

    Don’t think it won’t happen either because crazy moves like this happen every single year + they only have two QBs on their roster and Weeden, at the very worst, would be a solid #2 QB.

  22. jjackwagon says: Apr 6, 2012 3:36 PM

    Of course there is no progress. Flacco thinks he is best and wants to be paid like he belongs in the top five. The Ravens front office knows he is barely a top 15 QB and has offered him something more realistic. Neither side plans to move from their position.

  23. truthhurtstoo says: Apr 6, 2012 3:40 PM

    The problem is that there has been “no progress” for Flacco.

    kidding… he’s better than sanchez!

  24. getyourownname says: Apr 6, 2012 3:41 PM

    It’s hysterical how many people get frothy over Flacco.

    Besides, who wants a player on their team who doesn’t think he’s the best at his position?

  25. ebbycalvinlaloosh says: Apr 6, 2012 3:42 PM

    Has anyone referenced the fact that he called himself “the best quarterback in the game yet?” Someone should do that. It would be funny.

  26. alewatcher says: Apr 6, 2012 3:44 PM

    There has been as much progress on his contract as there has been in his progress on the field.

  27. jakek2 says: Apr 6, 2012 3:44 PM

    With the rampant collusion problem in the NFL amongst the owners, the players really have to play some serious hard ball to get paid.

    That said, hopefully Flacco can get the Ravens to the SB. Then, if I’m Flacco, the minute that they win the AFCCG, I’d hold out and say…..pay me or else Redman or Kyle Boller or whoever their backup is can play in two weeks.

  28. alvint69 says: Apr 6, 2012 3:45 PM

    Is there any way we can sign his mustache to a long term deal but not him?

  29. granadafan says: Apr 6, 2012 3:46 PM

    Apparently Flacco is from the same school as Mike Wallace in delusional views of self worth.

  30. swutter says: Apr 6, 2012 3:48 PM

    Man, all these jokes about him being the best QB league sure are hillarious. You all should be comedians.

    If any QB in the league is asked “do you think you are the best QB in the league?” They better answer yes or you shouldn’t have them on your team. Your a dummy if you think differently.

  31. joeflaccosunibrow says: Apr 6, 2012 3:49 PM

    This is a non-issue. This is Ozzie’s M.O. The Ravens are sniffing the salary cap ceiling so Joe will get his next year. Ray Rice is the priority because of his cap number. Joe has a cap friendly number this year.

    Not worried 1 bit about Joe. Ray is a different story. Until he signs a new deal and not a franchise tender, we can not sign any free agents.

  32. nardointhenati says: Apr 6, 2012 3:50 PM

    Somewhere Tyrod Taylor is learning the offense, sharpening his skills, and preparing to show Mr. Flaco he’s not even the best QB on his team.

  33. schmitty2 says: Apr 6, 2012 3:52 PM

    Not trying to defend Flacco on his “I feel like I’m the best qb in the league” proclamation but I remember a certain qb in training camp last year stating he was elite and most people laughed at him .He proceeded to win his 2nd Super Bowl in 4 years

  34. ninerswilldominatelikebefore says: Apr 6, 2012 3:55 PM

    3 years , 9 mill with 3 guaranteed should be about where negotiations start…

  35. teamobijuan says: Apr 6, 2012 3:59 PM

    Also like how he minimizes his involvement.

    “All I do is say no every time they offer me something. That’s the extent. I’m only half of the whole thing. That’s it.”

  36. snowpea84 says: Apr 6, 2012 4:07 PM

    The fact that Flacco isn’t signed long term makes t very strage that the Ravens didn’t pursue Manning. Can you imagine if they had picked him up??

  37. chawk12thman says: Apr 6, 2012 4:08 PM

    If you have to, next year you can franchise him. He isn’t going anywhere for at least 2 years unless Raven’s decide otherwise. He won’t get the #1 QB $.

  38. ravenator says: Apr 6, 2012 4:11 PM

    Flacco haters can sit on it

  39. souldogdave says: Apr 6, 2012 4:12 PM

    well, if it’s not about the money, and about what he deserves, what does he think he deserves?(besides more money…)but it’s about pride and recognition?,which comes with more money?

  40. blacknole08 says: Apr 6, 2012 4:14 PM

    Flacco should wait until Matt Ryan gets his contract extension and then ask for a pay raise. He would have an argument then.

    But in the meantime he just needs to stop throwing a pity party for himself and just prove the naysayers wrong. He’s talented but NOT ELITE so he shouldn’t get Top 5 money.

  41. mybrunoblog says: Apr 6, 2012 4:19 PM

    An athlete at the pro level should always fel like is a very good player maybe even creep into that elite level(in their own mind) but to actually admit those feeling to the media when you haven’t even played in a SBowl is a joke. Get real flacco…

  42. tylerdurden0 says: Apr 6, 2012 4:25 PM

    Let him play out his last year.

    If he was better, he would’ve had a new contract a year ago.

  43. Nevis says: Apr 6, 2012 4:26 PM

    “It’s not about the money, it’s about what you as a player feel that you deserve.”

    Um, Joe? Are you talking lollipops here? Because if not, this statement is a complete contradiction — of course comes down to money.

  44. cougarquest says: Apr 6, 2012 4:37 PM

    Hey Miami might take him. Maybe. Probably not.

  45. electionconfidential says: Apr 6, 2012 4:42 PM

    All Joe needs to do is play out the last year of his contract and become a free agent. If the Ravens franchise him they’ll have to pay at least $14M. That’s more than they probably feel that he’s worth… On the other hand if they don’t then there can be this HUGE bidding war for his services… He’ll probably get more than Peyton, given that he’s “the best” and all…

  46. mempusa says: Apr 6, 2012 4:42 PM

    Flacco’s a joke. He and Sanchez need to go play in the CFL

  47. luccabrazzi says: Apr 6, 2012 4:44 PM

    In no particular order
    1. P. Manning
    2. E Manning
    3. Brady
    4. Brees
    5. Rodgers
    6. Rivers
    7. Schaub
    8. Vick
    9. Romo
    10. Cutler
    11. Stafford
    12. Fitzpatrick
    13. Rothlisberger
    14. Newton
    15. J. Freeman
    16. M. Ryan
    17. A. Luck ??
    18. RG3 ??
    19. Flacco….

    That makes him about average. He had a nice afc championship game, probably should have won, but geez his ego is LARGE.

  48. 86chawk says: Apr 6, 2012 4:50 PM

    He’s not even a top 15 QB! What a dilusional dope!

  49. grimreeper says: Apr 6, 2012 5:10 PM

    Flacco garbage anyway let him go!!!!

  50. deathtoromo says: Apr 6, 2012 5:19 PM

    They will pay him big money and be sorry they did. He barely gives a sh#t now when you watch him on sidelines. What do you think will happen when he gets “paid” ? Harbaugh coudnt lead a pack of wolves with a steak around his neck so it won’t be him tryin to motivate the NFLs best QB.

  51. jimiinpa says: Apr 6, 2012 5:19 PM

    this is for all you retards who don’t get it….por players have to think they are number 1 at their possition.it doesn’t mater if anyone doesn’t agree with them. whatever team you root for , would you want your qb to think he’s #1 or #5-6-7 etc. it’s all about confidence. the people who have played organized sport’s can understand this. the rest of you are morons

  52. acmepackers says: Apr 6, 2012 5:30 PM

    Ravens won’t negotiate until he trims that brow. He IS among the top 5 in “above the eye but below the forehead” hair

  53. johnnyb1976 says: Apr 6, 2012 5:32 PM

    Stats say he is the 3rd best QB in the division behind Rothlisberger & Dalton, and these 2 guys have the pro bowls to prove it. Flacco had 2 good games against Pittsburg and was at best average against everyone else. Thank god for colt McCoy or flacco would not have anyone to compare hiself to in the division

  54. jagsfanugh says: Apr 6, 2012 5:47 PM

    It’s not about the Money right? If that is the case Flacco then instruct your agent to sign. Again you stated it wasn’t about the money. Prove it.

  55. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Apr 6, 2012 5:49 PM

    jimiinpa says:Apr 6, 2012 5:19 PM

    this is for all you retards who don’t get it….por players have to think they are number 1 at their possition.it doesn’t mater if anyone doesn’t agree with them. whatever team you root for , would you want your qb to think he’s #1 or #5-6-7 etc. it’s all about confidence. the people who have played organized sport’s can understand this. the rest of you are morons
    __________

    That is so dumb. So you’re saying a mediocre QB who thinks he’s the best QB in the NFL is going to play better than a mediocre QB who knows there are better QBs than him? Wouldn’t the guy with a realistic view of himself work harder to improve than would the guy who thinks he’s already arrived?

  56. andyreiddoublecheeseburger says: Apr 6, 2012 6:00 PM

    I’ve thought for a while that Phil Rivers was the most overrated, over-hyped QB in the league. But there’s no doubt it’s this guy now. Plus he appears to be a delusional narcissist to boot. If I were the Ravens I’d trade him- they could win with a cheaper guy with their running game and defense. Trade him to Miami for Matt Moore- you won’t see any drop off in production.

  57. jimiinpa says: Apr 6, 2012 6:13 PM

    That is so dumb. So you’re saying a mediocre QB who thinks he’s the best QB in the NFL is going to play better than a mediocre QB who knows there are better QBs than him? Wouldn’t the guy with a realistic view of himself work harder to improve than would the guy who thinks he’s already arrived? not talking about skill level i was talking about the mind set

  58. pacodawg says: Apr 6, 2012 6:18 PM

    I could of had the big contract and a Super Bowl. Thanks, Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff.

  59. pjamdragon says: Apr 6, 2012 6:23 PM

    Ozzie shoulda signed Peyton Manning & dealt Flacco to Miami for their 1st rounder. I love ya Oz, but you missed on FA’s Kurt Warner, Drew Brees, & now Peyton in a QB driven league.

  60. Deb says: Apr 6, 2012 6:47 PM

    Apparently, Joe’s talk of being “the best” had more to do with how he wants to be compensated going forward than with an overblown ego, and that’s understandable. You have to assert your value to command a better deal. But Ozzie knows exactly what his players are worth on the market.

    I disagree that Joe would be better off waiting until his contract expires next season so he can win a Super Bowl and prove he’s “the best.” The Ravens should be in the hunt, but Super Bowls are elusive. Should he lose another championship game, Flacco’s stock might diminish. And winning a Super Bowl wouldn’t prove he’s “the best.” Roethlisberger has three AFC Championships and two Super Bowl rings. That doesn’t make him the best QB in the league anymore than not winning a Super Bowl made Marino a bust.

    For me, the best are Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and a healthy Peyton. Next tier are Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Eli. Flacco follows with Cutler, Stafford, and a few others. But just as next year could elevate Joe, it could also put wind up with him behind RGIII, Luck, or an even more impressive Newton. Much as I love our Kevin Colbert, Ozzie Newsome is arguably the best player personnel guy in the business. Playing hardball in these negotiations is riskier for Flacco than for the Ravens.

  61. jiggy3198 says: Apr 6, 2012 7:02 PM

    To all flacco bashers I want to make a few points. While He is not the best quarterback in the game he has won more game than the other quarterback in the first four years in the nfl that includes brady manning montana young rothlesberger shall i keep going. The last four years he is the only quarterback to go to the playoffs and win at least one game including brady brees Rodgers rothlesberger manning rivers shall I keep going. His winning percentage is second to none his stats are okay but he is a winner. Give him a long-term deal. Also to those who say it is the defense and ray rice prior to entering his rookie year the ravens were 5-11 and rice barely had impact. There is
    No better option unless you start from scratch and that ain’t happening. He is winning with weak O- line play and smoke and mirrors at wide receiver. His third option was an undrafted rookie out of Maryland who had 17 catches his senior year. Also he was three dropped passes away from two supebowls.

  62. watermelon1 says: Apr 6, 2012 7:08 PM

    Flacco sounds as dumb as he plays. “it’s not about the money, it’s about what I think I deserve.”

    Gosh, that clears up so much. Thank you, Average Joe.

    It’s about the money, and no… You don’t deserve a contract that guarantees you a ton of it.

  63. reed20fence says: Apr 6, 2012 7:34 PM

    They’re just waiting for your agent to add the clause In your contract where you agree to shut your dumbass up for the rest of your career and just play.

  64. 1mommicked1 says: Apr 6, 2012 7:44 PM

    If he could play as well in every game as he does against my beloved Steelers he would be more credible. Why can’t he have a bad game vs Steelers!

  65. bchapman2011 says: Apr 6, 2012 7:55 PM

    He is a product of awsome defense, great coaching, and a stellar running game. Flacco is top 15 maybe. The Ravens need to let him play out his contract and draft a QB in the 2nd round this year. If he lights it up this year then resign him. If the Ravens stall in the playoffs again then Joey better lower his asking price. If not, you will already have his replacement ready to go.

  66. latopia says: Apr 6, 2012 8:00 PM

    Hmm. Maybe he is the best QB at the NFL. Got milk?

  67. yojoemama says: Apr 6, 2012 8:00 PM

    Whacko Flacco. Enough said.

  68. blacknyellablacknyella says: Apr 6, 2012 8:04 PM

    There hasn’t been any progress between Flacco and the Ratbirds on the field either. He’s regressing and holding his teammates back. Joe Flacco clearly did not go to Ball So Hard U with T-Sizzle.

  69. godzilla111111 says: Apr 6, 2012 8:18 PM

    luccabrazzi says:
    Apr 6, 2012 4:44 PM
    In no particular order
    1. P. Manning
    2. E Manning
    3. Brady
    4. Brees
    5. Rodgers
    6. Rivers
    7. Schaub
    8. Vick
    9. Romo
    10. Cutler
    11. Stafford
    12. Fitzpatrick
    13. Rothlisberger
    14. Newton
    15. J. Freeman
    16. M. Ryan
    17. A. Luck ??
    18. RG3 ??

    ——————————
    How many playoff games has Ryan won?
    Schaub?
    Romo?
    Stafford?
    Freeman?
    Newton?
    Fitzpatrick?

    You are stone ignorant. How many games have you seen Flacco play? I’ve seen them all.

  70. TSizzleBallSoHard says: Apr 6, 2012 8:19 PM

    I knew there were a lot of trolls on PFT but I didn’t realize that there were this many.

  71. bchapman2011 says: Apr 6, 2012 8:30 PM

    Attn jimiinpa :

    Before you go on a message board and call everybody a retard you may want to run a spell/grammar check. I do want to congragulate you on passing what appears to be 3rd grade though!

  72. ravenseattheirownpoop says: Apr 6, 2012 9:07 PM

    Joe flacco must have nicked his brain while shaving his unibrow. He walks around like a zombie

  73. wallacejay says: Apr 6, 2012 9:48 PM

    No need to rush…ravens know that no one else wants hium

  74. wallacejay says: Apr 6, 2012 9:48 PM

    him

  75. NoPayneNoGain51 says: Apr 6, 2012 9:51 PM

    Joe turned down the previous contract offer because he was required to wax his eyebrow.

  76. bleed4philly says: Apr 6, 2012 10:22 PM

    Not surprised

  77. yyyass says: Apr 7, 2012 12:42 AM

    Flaccomaniacs have got to learn to stop leading with the strawman about how many playoff games Flacco has won, as an argument for his greatness. Flacco hasn’t “won” many games in his tenure. It’s a team game and the Ravens defense is the consistent top performing unit – not the offense led by Flacco. He leaves too many opportunities, wasted quarters, and three-and-out possessions on the field. Jonathan Ogden even outed him for his lack of leadership this past season. The defense bailed him out of stupid and lackluster plays just as the receivers dropped passes on him, so it all goes around. He can’t audible out of a defensive mismatch to save his life, but he lets his O-line take all the heat. He’s just an average QB who runs plays okay when everything goes to plan, and he doesn’t turn it over much- but he doesn’t MAKE plays like the best do when pressured or facing complex defenses- and that’s what separates the great from the Average Joes.

  78. johntonioholmes says: Apr 7, 2012 1:55 AM

    jiggy3198

    There’s a difference between winning the games and having the games won ins spite of you.

    When Ray Rice doesn’t get enough carries, the Ravens lose. That’s because they put the ball in Flacco’s hands.

    He’s not nearly as bad as people say; he’s just tremendously average.

    His AFC championship game was actually average, statistically speaking, and everyone acts as if it was great. He was playing the 31st ranked pass defense in the NFL and hey were selling out to stop the run.

    Flacco should get a contract, but he should be demanding top 12 money, not top 5 money.

    I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt actually; At most, he can demand top 8 money, and that’s only because Newton and Stafford may have turned in fluke years.

  79. critter69 says: Apr 7, 2012 4:24 AM

    I find it so funny that there are so many who think so little of Joe Flacco that they have to post their thoughts about Joe Flacco on a blog.

    AND there are some who go to the extent of composing a list of players they think are better?

    Really?

    People – When Joe Flacco was drafted four years ago, he signed a five year contract. That means, if he has played four years (and he has), he still has one year on the contract.

    Oh, and how many quaterbacks in the last 35 years (or longer) have won playoff games in EVERY year of their first four years?

  80. nfl1818 says: Apr 7, 2012 10:01 AM

    luccabrazzi says:
    Apr 6, 2012 4:44 PM
    In no particular order
    1. P. Manning
    2. E Manning
    3. Brady
    4. Brees
    5. Rodgers
    6. Rivers
    7. Schaub
    8. Vick
    9. Romo
    10. Cutler
    11. Stafford
    12. Fitzpatrick
    13. Rothlisberger
    14. Newton
    15. J. Freeman
    16. M. Ryan
    17. A. Luck ??
    18. RG3 ??”

    I hate strict numerical rankings

    I put those top 5 in group A
    I upgrade Big Ben to Group A or to the top of Group B w/ Rivers.

    I drop Vick period
    I drop Fitzpatrick until he delivers for more than half a year – he remains a huge question mark
    I drop Freeman – needs more time and a lot more evidence

    I cast a wide net on Group B – all these guys can deliver but there’s also “hair” – is it prep, coaching, stupidity, risk mgt, accuracy, reliance on 1 god-like receiver ? Are they great arms w/ slightly higher risk profiles ? Cold they play a full season and full playoff round at the Group A level ?

    So Group B includes all these guys above except Fitz, Vick, and Freeman – they are donwgraded to Group C – they need to stay healthy or do more to join B

    So A has 6 guys
    B has guys 7
    Flacco I put in Group B – so he’s in the range of 7-15 in the league, not bad and plenty good enough to win a SB if he has enough luck and enough talent around him

    Basically a 2nd quartile guy and possibly closer to the bottom of the quartile

    My 2 c

    What makes a good debate ?
    I find it interesting to think about, ex age or contract, what QB would I want from Group B for the next 3 years: Romo, Ryan, Cutler, Stafford, Schaub, Newton, Flacco ?

  81. toolkien says: Apr 7, 2012 11:44 AM

    “It’s not about the money, it’s about what you as a player feel that you deserve.”

    Which is money right? lol..

    ————————————–

    Have we forgotten so soon? About the QB who measured what he deserved by dictating which players were to be resigned, whether the coach could be fired, or who should be hired as coach, that he could broker free agent deals, and even in retirement have final sign off on the draft? When he wasn’t allowed to do all these things it was clear evidence to himself that “he wasn’t wanted anymore”. And money wasn’t really at issue at all. So perhaps Flacco is operating under the assumption that he should be the de facto GM to satisfy what he deserves.

    Extra credit on who I am talking about.

  82. corvusrex96 says: Apr 7, 2012 2:30 PM

    Geez people Flacco is in the middle of negotiating a CONTRACT.
    Why should he say “yeah I’m the number 9 starting QB in the NFL and the Ravens can whittle my next deal down from that number”

    To heck with that he throws down the gauntlet and says “yes I believe I am the best at my job AND so does every other starting QB”

    I have no issue with his answer, do I believe that he is the best QB? No , but given other options available I will take our slightly deluded QB who somehow has won a playoff game in each of his first four years in the league.

    5>2

  83. luccabrazzi says: Apr 8, 2012 10:54 AM

    godzilla111111 says: Apr 6, 2012 8:18 PM

    luccabrazzi says:
    Apr 6, 2012 4:44 PM
    In no particular order
    1. P. Manning
    2. E Manning
    3. Brady
    4. Brees
    5. Rodgers
    6. Rivers
    7. Schaub
    8. Vick
    9. Romo
    10. Cutler
    11. Stafford
    12. Fitzpatrick
    13. Rothlisberger
    14. Newton
    15. J. Freeman
    16. M. Ryan
    17. A. Luck ??
    18. RG3 ??

    ——————————
    How many playoff games has Ryan won?
    Schaub?
    Romo?
    Stafford?
    Freeman?
    Newton?
    Fitzpatrick?

    You are stone ignorant. How many games have you seen Flacco play? I’ve seen them all.

    ok, here we go…
    fact #1 Stafford, Schaub, and Romo are just flat out better Qb’s than Flacco.
    Fact #2 Statistically speaking Newton and Fitzpatrick had better seasons than Flacco, and Newtons season was better than ANY season Flacco has had.
    Opinion #1 Freeman is debateable, i agree. He appears to have more talent than Flacco to me. Thats just opinion on my part.
    You sound like a homer buddy, relax. The one thing Ryan, Schaub, Romo, Stafford, Freeman, Newton, and Fitzpatrick have in common…ZERO SB rings between them. So quite frankly im glad none of them are my favorite QB. Flacco is middle of the pack man, no big deal, he has a helluva team around him and definitely could win an SB as a caretaker QB, but he’ll never win one for the team with his arm, he tried in the championship game and his TEAM let him down with dropped balls. Just sayin…

  84. luccabrazzi says: Apr 8, 2012 10:59 AM

    nfl1818 says: Apr 7, 2012 10:01 AM

    luccabrazzi says:
    Apr 6, 2012 4:44 PM
    In no particular order
    1. P. Manning
    2. E Manning
    3. Brady
    4. Brees
    5. Rodgers
    6. Rivers
    7. Schaub
    8. Vick
    9. Romo
    10. Cutler
    11. Stafford
    12. Fitzpatrick
    13. Rothlisberger
    14. Newton
    15. J. Freeman
    16. M. Ryan
    17. A. Luck ??
    18. RG3 ??”

    I hate strict numerical rankings

    I put those top 5 in group A
    I upgrade Big Ben to Group A or to the top of Group B w/ Rivers.

    I drop Vick period
    I drop Fitzpatrick until he delivers for more than half a year – he remains a huge question mark
    I drop Freeman – needs more time and a lot more evidence

    I cast a wide net on Group B – all these guys can deliver but there’s also “hair” – is it prep, coaching, stupidity, risk mgt, accuracy, reliance on 1 god-like receiver ? Are they great arms w/ slightly higher risk profiles ? Cold they play a full season and full playoff round at the Group A level ?

    So Group B includes all these guys above except Fitz, Vick, and Freeman – they are donwgraded to Group C – they need to stay healthy or do more to join B

    So A has 6 guys
    B has guys 7
    Flacco I put in Group B – so he’s in the range of 7-15 in the league, not bad and plenty good enough to win a SB if he has enough luck and enough talent around him

    Basically a 2nd quartile guy and possibly closer to the bottom of the quartile

    My 2 c

    What makes a good debate ?
    I find it interesting to think about, ex age or contract, what QB would I want from Group B for the next 3 years: Romo, Ryan, Cutler, Stafford, Schaub, Newton, Flacco ?

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    Very well stated, I would say that Flacco is on the back end of that 7-15 range. But all in all I couldn’t agree more. My list was in no particular order because like you i don’t think you can just rank players since there are so many outside factors invovled in their successes or failures…great job on your side

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