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Ruling in Saints appeals could come as early as Friday

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On Thursday, Commissioner Roger Goodell entertained the bounty-related appeals filed by the Saints, coach Sean Payton, G.M. Mickey Loomis, and assistant head coach Joe Vitt.  According to the New Orleans Times-Picayune, a ruling on the appeals could come as early as Friday.

Goodell said last week that the appeal process — both the hearing and the decision — would be expedited.

Still, issuing a decision on Friday would serve only to bolster the perception that the in-house appeal process is futile (regardless of whether it really is futile).  For that reason, it would be somewhat surprising to see the decisions come down today.

That said, the fact that the Gregg Williams audio has nudged deep into the background the important philosophical questions regarding the league’s use of its immense power to insulate itself from outside scrutiny in cases of this nature could make the league less concerned about the fact that a Friday decision will bolster the appearance that the appeal process is a rubber stamp for the original decision made by the Commissioner.  Moreover, the looming Easter weekend (complete with a major annual four-day sporting event that will grab most of the headlines) could make a late-afternoon announcement from the league office a wise P.R. move.

Regardless, it would be a surprise if any of the penalties are diminished, especially in light of the Williams audio.  When a company handles its quasi-judicial processes in-house, P.R. necessarily becomes a significant part of the process.  In this case, no one outside of Louisiana will bat an eye if/when the Commissioner decides that he made the right decision in the first place.

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51 Responses to “Ruling in Saints appeals could come as early as Friday”
  1. bathroombenlovemachine says: Apr 6, 2012 10:51 AM

    Maybe someone should put a bounty on Drew Brees and knock that turd off the side of his face.

  2. largent80 says: Apr 6, 2012 10:53 AM

    What’s the point of the appeal? You’re appealing to the same guy who handed down the original penalty. This is just as pointless and dumb as Demi Moore’s character’s line in the courtroom in ‘A Few Good Men’: “your honor, I strenuously object.” Oh, you strenuously object. Well then.

  3. jackers252 says: Apr 6, 2012 10:56 AM

    This is just sanctimonious fans of 31 other teams and sensationalized media.

    Most who played the pro-game take this for what it is, hyperbole.

  4. mushroommike says: Apr 6, 2012 10:56 AM

    Are stories about the appeals process taking the place of Tebow stories?

    We get it, you don’t like the process!

  5. bigwinintx says: Apr 6, 2012 10:58 AM

    He won’t and or CAN’T go back on his initial decisions.

    He represents the league, and no way in hell are the other owners going to allow this kind of behavior to go unpunished. We’re talking of multi-million dollar investments and they want justice for this!

    Payton can keep whining or whatever he’s doing in the Big sleazy, but he ain’t coming back to professional football this year! And I for one hope that the commissioner stamps this thing with the knowledge that this is his legacy. Taglibue had his time, and now Goodell must make his mark in the history books by doing what is BEST for the LEAGUE!

  6. joesphkerr says: Apr 6, 2012 11:01 AM

    In light of the Williams locker room audio, hopefully the NFL will increase the punishments. If that does happen, will Drew “I want more money” Brees want an explanation?

  7. halbert53 says: Apr 6, 2012 11:01 AM

    And many of us INSIDE Louisiana.

  8. sprtzfan1964 says: Apr 6, 2012 11:06 AM

    The saints, coaches, & executives got off with
    A light punishment. This behavior has been
    Known for years. They lied over and over. Now
    They want to cry over it. Please. I wouldn’t
    Doubt the saints had something to do with release
    Of the audio to help minimize punishment of
    Their players. Winning puts asses in seats and
    With fewer player suspensions more W’s, more
    $$. Don’t fool ur selves thinking anything more
    Saints playing it right for the $$, the sympathy,
    Of a rogue coach out of control

  9. earlyjk54 says: Apr 6, 2012 11:09 AM

    Ban everyone involved. Worst scandle in NFL history. Saints are a dispicable franchise.

  10. weepingjebus says: Apr 6, 2012 11:11 AM

    On the plus side, the Cobra Kai dojo is hiring.

  11. bozosforall says: Apr 6, 2012 11:11 AM

    Goodall is a scumbag.

  12. wipackman1265 says: Apr 6, 2012 11:11 AM

    Death Penalty …. Take all their 1st round picks for 5 years……. Make them hire Les Steckel as head coach and Kenny Williams as GM for 5 years THAT IS JUSTICE !!!

  13. deacroman says: Apr 6, 2012 11:12 AM

    This bounty BS will be the death of defensive intensity in pro-football.
    I just watched a Deacon Jones highlight reel where says ” No remorse in my heart. I tried to put ‘em in the hospital everytime I tackled ‘em.”

    Those are WORDS to describe his intensity to hurt the opposition. Gregg Williams’ WORDS were used to raise the intensity of his players.

    2012 will be the most prolific display of offences the league will ever witness. The wussies have taken over the league.

    Long Live Deacon Jones!!!

  14. reporterofthetruth says: Apr 6, 2012 11:18 AM

    Seems Falcon fans post here with great regularity….Saints will still win the NFCS in 2012.

  15. saints25 says: Apr 6, 2012 11:23 AM

    enjoy the refs throwing a 100 flags a game,you going to pay fro that? Tackling in NFL is over, so all you fans take a bow because your stupid remarks about bounty shi* .Youve help get the non tackling NFL get there,along with your volleyball media.

  16. superjroch says: Apr 6, 2012 11:29 AM

    Given the new information, the suspensions should now be 3 years for Sean Payton, and lifetime ban for Gregg Williams, along with revoked 1st and 2nd round draft picks for 3 years.

  17. jackntorres says: Apr 6, 2012 11:29 AM

    Ruling schmuling. On February 3rd, 2013 the Saints will win the Super Bowl.

  18. jackntorres says: Apr 6, 2012 11:30 AM

    bathroombenlovemachine says: Apr 6, 2012 10:51 AM

    Maybe someone should put a bounty on Drew Brees and knock that turd off the side of his face.
    —-
    It’s been tried, I assure you. But it’s not easy considering they have the best offensive line in the league. I don’t think subbing Grubbs for Nicks will be any sort of drop off either.

  19. robf2010 says: Apr 6, 2012 11:31 AM

    The Saints need to take the hit here. They need to accept the punishment for the rule they broke. They need to accept the punishment for ignoring the commissioner. They need to accept the punishment for the “culture” of the NFL even though they only represent one thirty-second of it. The NFL needs to get this thing off of the front pages before some idiotic, ambitious DA decides to prosecute someone.

    If you’ve ever seen a NFL Sound FX episode on the NFL Channel, even the NFL-approved heavily edited G version that is broadcast contains dialogue and language that is toxic in this current climate. Imagine what is on all of the raw footage in the NFL Films library. Well, after yesterday’s release, we really don’t have to imagine.

  20. mvp43 says: Apr 6, 2012 11:32 AM

    bozosforall says:
    Apr 6, 2012 11:11 AM
    Goodall is a scumbag.

    ———————————–
    Mean………Goodell?

    I fail to understand how anyone can place blame on Goodell for anything relating to the Saints problems. Goodell gave the Saints an opportunity to clean up their act and they chose not to do so and lie about it.

  21. northshoresaint9 says: Apr 6, 2012 11:33 AM

    bathroombenlovemachine says: Apr 6, 2012 10:51 AM

    Maybe someone should put a bounty on Drew Brees and knock that turd off the side of his face.

    …Maybe U can meet Brüno in the bathroom & discuss this bounty w/ him while he’s giving U a little love as u ben~dover a condom-machine.

  22. kodakinvegas says: Apr 6, 2012 11:33 AM

    I’ve never considered the owners side but a previous poster was right, along with despicable and arrogant, sleazy and cheap, there’s a financial point to the yRged players team. They contract these guys for multi mild, hmm, that would tick me off, screw with contract money on a job. Hmmm, nice point bud. Maybe the swamps will open up and swallow them for gator food. Goodell, for once you’ve got FAN opinion on your side, don’t screw this up. Tag em

  23. franknunley57 says: Apr 6, 2012 11:34 AM

    Sean Payton, the guy that crossed a union picket line to take another man’s job, should be banned from the NFL for life.

  24. santolonius says: Apr 6, 2012 11:36 AM

    That said, the fact that the Gregg Williams audio has nudged deep into the background the important philosophical questions regarding the league’s use of its immense power to insulate itself from outside scrutiny in cases of this nature could make the league less concerned about the fact that a Friday decision will bolster the appearance that the appeal process is a rubber stamp for the original decision made by the Commissioner. <– now that's a heckuva sentence.

  25. nolahxc says: Apr 6, 2012 11:42 AM

    Today Friday or next Friday?

  26. vikescry1 says: Apr 6, 2012 11:50 AM

    so what you want about deacon jones and all the old school stuff, but the game and the players have changed. and trying to end someones career isn’t right. play hard hit hard, but intentionally hurting someone isnt cool.

  27. aoc57 says: Apr 6, 2012 11:50 AM

    wipackman1265 says:Apr 6, 2012 11:11 AM

    Death Penalty …. Take all their 1st round picks for 5 years……. Make them hire Les Steckel as head coach and Kenny Williams as GM for 5 years THAT IS JUSTICE !!!

    ———————————————————

    Hiring Vinny Cerrato as GM would be better justice.

  28. flaccodelic says: Apr 6, 2012 11:51 AM

    deacroman says: Apr 6, 2012 11:12 AM

    This bounty BS will be the death of defensive intensity in pro-football.
    I just watched a Deacon Jones highlight reel where says ” No remorse in my heart. I tried to put ‘em in the hospital everytime I tackled ‘em.”

    Those are WORDS to describe his intensity to hurt the opposition. Gregg Williams’ WORDS were used to raise the intensity of his players.

    2012 will be the most prolific display of offences the league will ever witness. The wussies have taken over the league.

    Long Live Deacon Jones!!!

    ——

    Here’s a quote from your hero regarding how he liked to hit peoples’ heads:
    “To give myself an initial headstart on the pass rush, in other words a extra step. Because anytime you go upside a man’s head … or a woman; they may have a tendency to blink they eyes or close they eyes.”

    Yeah, that’s what happens every time I go upside my woman’s head.

    FYI, it is no longer 1968. What reasonable people believe is acceptable will change over the course of 40+ years. It will change more over the next 40 years, in case you were wondering. But of course, you weren’t.

  29. soldiersaint77 says: Apr 6, 2012 11:53 AM

    I have come to man up. As a Saints fan, I’ve defended them. I wasn’t one of the conspiracy theorist, I stated I believed the bounty system was in place and that I was ok with the punishment, but I also said that until evidence was given I didn’t believe they were coached to injure players. I was wrong based on the audio yesterday. I still believe the whole thing is being blown out of proportion by the media, but I was still wrong.

    So I apologize and specifically to Wisconsin77 you were right, I was wrong about the coaching to injure.

  30. sbs9101314304043 says: Apr 6, 2012 11:57 AM

    They had their chance to tell the truth and plead their case when the investigation was going on, and they chose to lie.

    Poor Sean Payton. He knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it. Time to pay the piper Sean. Take some pain pills and we will see you next year.

  31. laeaglefan says: Apr 6, 2012 12:26 PM

    Sorry, Saints fans, but your team isn’t winning any Super Bowls this year. You’ll be lucky to finish with a .500 record with the disorganization and lack of cohesion caused by this whole mess. With no coaches around to encourage the Saints defense to injure Michael Vick the Eagles may even pull out a win when they visit the Superdome this year!

  32. maxpowr says: Apr 6, 2012 12:30 PM

    this appeal process is a joke, the commish has already made up his mind.. just make the ruling and let’s move on and play some football.. and all you saints haters can keep on hating

  33. cullenand99 says: Apr 6, 2012 12:34 PM

    I think its pretty obvious why they are appealing. Not because they are trying to reduce their suspensions but to give them extra time to get everything ready and organized for when their suspensions start. If their suspensions get shortened then its a plus.

  34. pastabelly says: Apr 6, 2012 12:44 PM

    I hope they revisit the suspensions and actually increase them. As more details come out, this is just showing them to be a sick and twisted organization. That part about going after previously concussed players on the Niners is problematic for the league. They’re all lucky if that player doesn’t sue the living hell out of the league.

  35. erictheclown says: Apr 6, 2012 12:50 PM

    reporterofthetruth says:
    Apr 6, 2012 11:18 AM
    Seems Falcon fans post here with great regularity….Saints will still win the NFCS in 2012.

    First you were ASSuming that negative comments were comming from Vikings fans
    then 49er fans, now falcons fans.

    You Taints fans dont get it.
    All fans of football dislike your team!

  36. wtfru2 says: Apr 6, 2012 1:03 PM

    I’d like to see the damn refs fired also. The beating Brett took, with them watching, was wrong! I hope Goodell isn’t happy with just getting the team. He should also get his employees for not calling anything!

  37. tinopuno says: Apr 6, 2012 1:10 PM

    jackers252 says: Apr 6, 2012 10:56 AM

    Most who played the pro-game take this for what it is, hyperbole.

    —————————————————

    Jackers,

    I didn’t catch the ‘pro’ name you played under or the ‘pro’ team(s) for whom you played.

  38. deacroman says: Apr 6, 2012 1:20 PM

    flaccodelic says:Apr 6, 2012 11:51 AM

    FYI, it is no longer 1968. What reasonable people believe is acceptable will change over the course of 40+ years. It will change more over the next 40 years, in case you were wondering. But of course, you weren’t.

    Open your eyes Sherlock and you can not tell me James Harrison doesn’t play the game with the same ferocity as some of those so-called old/school players.

    But wait a minute. How many times has Harrison been fine for nasty hits?
    If you want to deny the violent heritage of the NFL, go right ahead.

    Like I said the wussies have taken control of the league……and you made my case for me.

  39. thejuddstir says: Apr 6, 2012 2:26 PM

    The fans of the Big Sleazy have been rather quiet since the video tape came out yesterday…….do you think they’re actually starting to understand and believe that Payton & Co. are responsible and guilty? Could it be that Saints* fans are starting to understand what the rest of the NFL fans are upset about. I’m waiting for something new to break today becuz it seems like every day something new breaks that lowers this city and it’s franchise lower and lower into the cesspool. Maybe tomorow we’ll hear how Sean Payton paid the N’awlins cheerleaders to do their best to “physically incapacitate” opposing players prior to the big game!

  40. musicman495 says: Apr 6, 2012 2:42 PM

    So I guess we will be seeing all the shots on Frank Gore’s head on Sports Center now? How about those hits on Michael Crabtree’s ACL – can we see a replay of him being carted off the field? Oh, that’s right, none of that actually happened, did it. But I guess it doesn’t matter what actually happened, only what was talked about the night before.

  41. randomguy9999 says: Apr 6, 2012 2:49 PM

    what should happen is a new round of penalties based on the audio:

    Williams: life ban…. everyone else… double the suspension…

    What’s lost in all this: the Players involved should be really sweating whatever happens next…. because Goodell is gonna hammer them for sure….

    and they deserve it.

  42. Deb says: Apr 6, 2012 3:00 PM

    Football is a dangerous and violent sport just as soldiering is a dangerous and violent duty. That’s why it’s essential to channel the violence to acceptable levels, to operate within the lines. When that doesn’t happen, you wind up with Abu Ghraib, the My Lai Massacre … or players deliberately trying to rip ACLs, inflict head injuries, or break limbs.

    The issue isn’t about multi-millionaires hoping to pick up a few extra dollars bounty. It’s about about coaches deliberately urging violent men to cross the lines, push beyond the boundaries, to better themselves by demonlishing the opponent. It was a ruthless strategy taken to extremes. And the more they blame the whistleblowers or clown around with their “Free Sean Payton” shirts, the more obvious they don’t get it. At this point, Goodell needs to think about lifetime bans for everyone involved. Either that, or Tom Benson needs to clean house.

  43. inallsincerity says: Apr 6, 2012 3:13 PM

    Y’all talked about Claiborne like he was a straight dummy. Now, Petrino’s a hero for digging out a 25-year-old former volleyball player that coincidentally, he hired. I’m not mad at him, but he had to know sooner or later, he’d get caught. As familiar as his face is around the state of Arkansas, it makes him look really stupid to think he could ride around helmet-less, on his motorcycle with that thoroughbred on back, and nobody recognize him. C’mon man!!! Well, you have Dumb (Claiborne), Dumber (Petrino) and Dumbest (Gregg Williams). Claiborne’s perceived lack of intelligence, won’t cost him his job though…HA!

  44. Reggie's Bush says: Apr 6, 2012 3:30 PM

    This is ridiculous…

    If the audio said go out there and kill them, would people take that to heart and expect some ‘The last boyscout’ type action to happen? When it was stated to take out Crabtree’s acl, do you think the defender pulled out his scalpel and went to work? When it’s said to “hit ‘em in the mouth” did Vilma removed the offensive players helmet and hit him in the mouth?

    Get real.

    Also still no outrage for the Giants going after Kyle Williams’ concussion filled head, but when the Saints did – now everyone is up in arms.

  45. nowillrepeat says: Apr 6, 2012 3:42 PM

    “kill the head and the body will die” is metaphor and a quote from General George Patton.

    Not to be taken literally dummies.

    ACL reference was wrong however, also shouldn’t be taken literally as Crabtree is walking round just fine.

  46. saintsly says: Apr 6, 2012 3:57 PM

    OK, all you sanctimonious clowns,
    The mass majority on this blog seem to want blood because you THINK that what is going with “Bounty Gate on is HORRIFIC and against everything you were taught as a kid. Well, I got news for you. All your clammoring to shut the Saints down, Fire Payton, Loomis, Vitt, and take their title, rings, and lombardi back as well as drown the city with another Katrina, as well as the Criminals and Coruption that goes on there……….You are no better than what Williams has done. Your hate for the Saints is unfounded as you think your Team, State, City, Government ect. is beyon reproach.(Crime is everywhere)
    We have all wanted and watched hard hits in the NFL(Jacked up……Created by Michel Irvin) and no one wants a player to have a Career ending injury but it has happened and will come to an abrupt hault with all your cryingabout Illegal hits and you will then be watching a watered down version of the NFL.
    Most of you only want the Saints condemmed because they have beat your teams and this is your only justification for the loss is because you think they cheated. How many players on your team has the Saints caused career ending hits? How many hit has caused concussions on your players? How many ACL’s were blown out during a game against the Saints? I will answer that for you…….NONE !!!! How many of you have screamed to Kill the QB of the opposing team ??? How many QB’s have the Saints had “Carted off the field”???? If you say Brett Favre, you would be wrong. Brett had a twisted ankle and Adrian Peterson did too but he had it before the Saints played the Vikings.
    If the Saints take the fall for all the other 31 teams that play the game the same way, it will be a travisty for the NFL and it wont be long before your team gets hit too. Then what happens? The NFL as we know it will never be the same. The Saints have given us some of the best football ever seen in this century and to lose them to this” New Era” Gustapo system would be the down fall of the NFL and the game we love to watch. So keep it up……Your team could be next.

  47. kp4lsu says: Apr 6, 2012 4:36 PM

    Preach on Saintsly that sums it up. Saints SB bound.

  48. thejuddstir says: Apr 6, 2012 4:41 PM

    @saintsly….”The Saints have given us some of the best football ever seen in this century ”
    ———————————————-
    Dude, you are either onto something or on something and I submit the latter. The Saints* have only been “relevant” the past 3-4 years which just happens to coincide with the hiring of Payton, G. Williams and Loomis which equates to “bountygate”. To even try and include the cheating Saints* of the past few years with the truely great teams in NFL history is like trying to claim that Bernie Madoff was a great financier.

  49. saintsly says: Apr 6, 2012 5:46 PM

    Case in point, Bernie Madoff was “A great financier……………He took every body’s money right out from under their noses. I’m not saying it was right but he is now paying just like the football world will.
    Even when my Saints were totally inept they were still very entertaining. Now they are probably the most feared offense in the NFL for four years running. You cannot deny that.
    Cheating ????I think not……If my Saints were any good at Bounty Gate, there would have been injured players in every game but there were not. Not one cart off, not one ACL, and your claims of cheating are unfounded. They are only guilty of playing hard nosed football that is coming to an end and you can blame Goodell for that. Not our Saints.

  50. saints4evah says: Apr 7, 2012 8:24 PM

    Give me a BREAK!!!
    Williams said to try to hurt somebody, and yet, not one Saint attempted a single dirty hit. Not one. And Williams was dismissed just about as soon as the game was over to boot. In this ridiculous witch hunt trying to paint the organization on the whole as a bunch of cheap-shot artists, nobody ever states the obvious truth. Nobody tried to hurt anybody any more than Mike Tyson actually tried to eat anybody’s children. I played football from 3rd through 10th grade, and our coaches told us “take their heads off” and “knock a lung loose” and it never ever meant to actually go and remove a head from a body. This has gotten just preposterous, and it reeks of sanctimonious BS from top to bottom. Not one player made good on hurting anybody outside of good, clean, hard and legal hits. You folks trying to paint this as some outrageous and never-before-seen style of coaching are either clueless as to locker room bravado, lying, or just plain dogpiling on the Saints for having a coach who went too far in his methodologies of motivation. The truth will come out, too late, but these draconian penalties, with more to come, attempting to cripple an organization will do nothing to change the facts, and only drive incentive programs further from view. In the legal field, the saying is, “No body, no crime”. There are no bodies lining hospital corridors, and no dirty play to substantiate this macarthyistic pile of garbage that is subbing for news. Bunch of damned hypocrites, every single last one of you who are dogpiling on this story in feigned outrage.. …

  51. thecrazyasianinseccountry says: Apr 8, 2012 3:10 AM

    saints4evah
    There’s nothing I can add to that … Best post, best common sense by far …
    Simple minded zombies always regurgitate what they hear and see. To examine and review the underlining situation themselves would be like asking them to hold their breath for ten minutes, nearly impossible.
    As you and some other logical few have stated earlier, this is the beginning of the end to football as we know it.
    Not because of Goddell, it is because of all these mindless minions that follows the beat of their mighty leader, “whatever that is fashionable at the time.”

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