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Sean Pamphilon says he had the right to post Gregg Williams audio

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Documentary filmmaker Sean Pamphilon, who recorded former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams encouraging his players to injure their opponents, insists that he had the right to post the audio online this week.

That conflicts with the claims of former Saints player Steve Gleason, who says Pamphilon was granted access to the Saints for private purposes, chronicling Gleason’s struggle with ALS. Gleason said Pamphilon had no right to release the recordings publicly.

But hours after Gleason made that claim, Pamphilon told Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports that Pamphilon had followed the agreement he and Gleason made about what could be done with the recordings he made of Gleason and the Saints.

“[W]e do have a production agreement that I followed,” Pamphilon said. “I can’t understand why Steve would think it’s in his best interest to prevent me from telling the truth about Gregg Williams.”

Pamphilon also disputes any notion that he was motivated by greed.

“I have taken no money,” Pamphilon said. “I am a man of modest means and for the past year have financially gone out on a limb to document Steve and Michel Gleason’s life, as well as contribute to their various ventures regarding Team Gleason.”

So Pamphilon, the man who was invited by Gleason to chronicle the end of his life, is now at odds with Gleason. All over that audiotape that has taken the NFL by storm.

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  1. fissels says: Apr 6, 2012 6:59 PM

    Either way, I’m glad he released it

  2. ghjjf says: Apr 6, 2012 7:03 PM

    Gleason must have received some bounty payments to be trying so hard to keep these recordings hidden.

  3. ChrisCicc says: Apr 6, 2012 7:05 PM

    Even if he didn’t have the right, who cares? If President Obama hired a private videographer to tape his daughter’s birthday and he caught Obama or another leader committing treason, should theybe allowed to block it’s release? Of course not, and this was treason in football terms.

  4. staugslugga says: Apr 6, 2012 7:05 PM

    So if he was contractually obliged to not release private information, and he broke that contract, violating the trust of his dying friend, that’s okay. Morals, values, trust all okay to violate.

  5. pettergriffen says: Apr 6, 2012 7:06 PM

    fissels says:
    Apr 6, 2012 6:59 PM
    Either way, I’m glad he released it
    —————–

    Dude, is your life that boring?

    its should have been released to the nfl, none of us want to have our daily nfl news being covered by this crap i want hear about free agency and trades and draft. screw this bs. go watch a mexican soap opera if your so hungry for girl drama..

  6. morgan420 says: Apr 6, 2012 7:06 PM

    i dont think he did anything wrong by releasing the tape like i said before he did more good then bad “if he did any bad at all”

  7. pgui88 says: Apr 6, 2012 7:06 PM

    He knew better. And should be ashamed of taking advantage of a sick man. Karma will strike back.

  8. jackntorres says: Apr 6, 2012 7:07 PM

    Just like Donte Whitner had a right to hit Pierre Thomas. Those who live in glass houses should throw no stones.

  9. yojoemama says: Apr 6, 2012 7:09 PM

    This audio recording is the worst thing that could happen in terms of dishing out penalties to the Saints players. NFL needs Gregg Williams to testify at the appeals for the penalties to stick. But he’s only doing that if he thinks he has a chance to be reinstated and will get hired by some team. Now there’s no chance either will happen so there’s no incentive for him to sell out his players and testify. Thus the Jonathan Vilma’s will get off free.

  10. ascensionparish says: Apr 6, 2012 7:09 PM

    If Pamphilon were doing out of a sense of what’s right, he would have released the audio before now. The fact that he was only granted access to the Saints through the trust of Steve Gleason shows that he violated that trust. Even if he gained no monetary profit from the release of the audio, he still gains name-recognition from the act. Mike Silver admits as much. I think it’s a sad commentary on what some people will do for themselves, while betraying those who have invested so much in them.

    I’ve met Gleason, and possibly there is no greater human being than him.

    I’ll take his side any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

  11. latopia says: Apr 6, 2012 7:10 PM

    It’s not child rape but not only does Pamphilon have a right, he has an obligation — just as McQueary had an obligation to report Sandusky to police, not just his superiors.

    Conspiracy to maim — as Williams “conspired” to do in relation to the already-concussed Kyle Williams — is a felony under 18 U.S.C. § 1959 whether maiming actually occurs or not. The sooner Williams, Payton, Loomis et al. understand this, the sooner they can/should shut their yaps about “appeals.”

  12. aequitas83 says: Apr 6, 2012 7:13 PM

    I’ve heard a lot of people belittle Pamphilon for releasing the tape because he got paid for them. He claims he didn’t, and frankly I don’t think it matters whether he did or didn’t.

    There’s a strong incentive in these situations to not do/say anything because of the vitriol that would ensue (particularly by Saints’ fans). Why shouldn’t someone be incentivized to do the “right” thing? We protect and attempt to incentivize whistle blowers, why not someone in Pamphilon’s situation?

  13. garyman1 says: Apr 6, 2012 7:13 PM

    There is no winner here…. kind of like hearing when your girlfriend is sleeping around with everybody.(probably with most of you guys…the odds would be good).
    it may be the truth…but it’s not pleasant

  14. linvillegorge says: Apr 6, 2012 7:13 PM

    Gleason should shut up. He’ll gain no public sentiment by appearing to have been trying to cover up for the Saints and Geegg Williams. The genie is out of the bottle now.

  15. shinnbone says: Apr 6, 2012 7:14 PM

    It doesn’t make any difference now, it’s out and there’s no way it wouldn’t have been released. I mean do you think they were going to put it in the same vault as Bin Laden’s dead photo?

  16. halbert53 says: Apr 6, 2012 7:16 PM

    When will people learn: if you don’t want it published, don’t let it happen.

  17. paulitik74 says: Apr 6, 2012 7:17 PM

    Gleason needs to decide if he wants his tragic legacy to end being complicit with other Saints players trying to end other players careers. Saying that he disapproves of the release of this video, means he approves of the behavior and is trying to protect Gregg Williams. Gregg Williams has admitted guilt, and out of all the various characters in this drama, he’s the only one to apologize and take his punishment like a man. Everyone else is making excuses and throwing Williams under the bus.

    Just because you suffer from a tragic fatal disease, doesn’t make you right. I have enormous sympathy for what Gleason and his family is going through, it is a nightmarish tragedy but to sit there and listen to your coach instruct your teammates to hit someone who is suffering from multiple concussions, while you are dying of a degenerative neurological disease is hypocritical. Every member of that Saints team is just as complicit as Gregg Williams, and should be held accountable by their union brethren.

    The only criticism Pamphilon deserves is not releasing this soon enough.

  18. tfbuckfutter says: Apr 6, 2012 7:17 PM

    I feel bad for Steve Gleason and his condition, really I do…..

    But his being upset that he was somewhat complicit in further exposing something illicit he was undoubtedly involved in…..doesn’t garner more sympathy from me.

  19. macker1283 says: Apr 6, 2012 7:17 PM

    Interesting. Gleason developed ALS, which many researchers think is correlated to his football playing days, because of hits to the head that people like Williams is promoting. Yet hes mad that Pamphilon released this audio. Some people just dont get it. Youre dying, what do you care if the Saints organization likes you or not? How about trying to make a difference before the end of your life and prevent future players from having your life tragically cut short like yours.

  20. phillyphever says: Apr 6, 2012 7:20 PM

    “Thus the Jonathan Vilma’s will get off free.”

    Nope, Vilma’s career is over. 1) Saints are gonna cut him regardless (Lofton and Hawthrone were signed to take his spot). 2) Vilma’s gonna turn 30 soon, and it showed last year that he’s not a difference maker anymore. 3) After the bounty scandal, no team in their right mind is gonna sign him and deal with the backlash.

  21. jason1980 says: Apr 6, 2012 7:20 PM

    Sean Pamphilon, you are the worst type of human being. There is no way for you to convince us that a man struggling for his life deserves to be treated this way. He had confidence in you, and thought he had your word as “man”. You are obviously not the “man” he thought you were, and that sickens us more than you will ever know. Shame on you!

  22. ranksarot says: Apr 6, 2012 7:22 PM

    “I’ve met Gleason, and possibly there is no greater human being than him.”
    And yet he’s ok with covering up evidence of the pay-to-injure activities by his former team? If he’s such a great person, he shouldn’t have a problem with this. In fact, he should have released the audio himself…. Now, maybe he is a great human being and he just doesn’t realize what a douche he looks like by trying to cover this up. Emotions often cloud judgement, even for good people.

  23. eyeh8goodell says: Apr 6, 2012 7:22 PM

    It’s not child rape but not only does Pamphilon have a right, he has an obligation — just as McQueary had an obligation to report Sandusky to police, not just his superiors.

    —————————

    Ridiculous. The NFL had all the evidence it needed. This whole thing was already in the public domain and the audio brought nothing new. It was a salacious attempt at breaking a piece of news.

  24. yournuts says: Apr 6, 2012 7:23 PM

    There isn’t an NFL team that doesn’t do the same thing. A documentary maker is only there for one reason, to make a documentary not report what happens in the locker rooms before and after games. This is not life, this is professional football which is a violent game and has it’s own rules and they are nor felonies.

  25. ckirklin79 says: Apr 6, 2012 7:25 PM

    Has to be done properly. What purpose did it serve to be released? To show us who Williams really is, as if we didn’t already know? We can’t say Pamphilon wanted the league to know, because the league already brought down the hammer on Williams. One may say he released it so the NFL can make sure Williams stays out of the league for good. Ok, then why not release it privately to the league? You may very well get the result you’re seeking AND you do not threaten the relationship of the individual you’re chronicling for a good cause. Releasing it to the media only accomplishes 2 things: the public knows what actually was said behind the scenes (which appeals to our intrigue and is really irrelevant) and it brings in to question Pamphilon’s true motives for doing this. Do I condone what Williams did? Absolutely not. Has my feelings changed about him and the situation since hearing this audio? Absolutely not. So what does it matter to us of whether the audio was released or not?? It doesn’t. Only thing this audio being released accomplished was a burned bridge with a dying man…because our feelings about Williams and what he did remains the same.

  26. ranksarot says: Apr 6, 2012 7:26 PM

    “none of us want to have our daily nfl news being covered by this crap i want hear about free agency and trades and draft”
    Really? That explains why this and other related stories on here are some of the top commented articles. Including your own comment here. Don’t speak for the rest of us…. The title of this story was clearly not about free agency, trades or drafts. And you’re interested too or you wouldn’t be here….

  27. johnnyquick says: Apr 6, 2012 7:30 PM

    The NFL is not the cosa nostra that lives by omerta, humilta and vendetta!

  28. trojan33sc says: Apr 6, 2012 7:30 PM

    Sean Pamphilon is a greasy PIG ! He violated his contract plain and simple don’t care to read his B.S. and PFT shouldn’t post anything of this A**-Wipe he definitely got paid directly or his funds are sitting in the Cayman Islands……………”Two wrongs don’t make a right” He probably attends funerals and then takes a “Whizz” on the caskets.

  29. tinopuno says: Apr 6, 2012 7:32 PM

    ascensionparish says: Apr 6, 2012 7:09 PM

    I’ve met Gleason, and possibly there is no greater human being than him.

    I’ll take his side any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

    —————————————————-

    Mr ascensionparish,

    Your screen name suggests you may not be totally unbiased on this one. However, you are to be credited for avoiding the use of ‘Whodat’.

  30. prmpft says: Apr 6, 2012 7:32 PM

    …and we have the right to say what a piece of !@#$% he is – and I’m sayin’ it!

  31. pftcensorssuck says: Apr 6, 2012 7:37 PM

    All over that audiotape that has taken the NFL by storm
    ———————————————————-
    Ummm…….. No.

    Actually, it’s all over the illegal program of the New Orleans Saints to intentionally attempt to injure and maim opposing players, and then lie to the Commissioner while continuing this abhorant policy even as you know investigators are watching you.

    THAT’S what this “all over”.

  32. theservice10 says: Apr 6, 2012 7:38 PM

    Can we move on yet? This stuff is getting in the way of me enjoying football.

  33. y5nthon5a says: Apr 6, 2012 7:41 PM

    I can’t believe people are saying he was wrong for releasing them. It’s not like he released personal information about Gleason or something the man did wrong. It was about Gregg Williams.

    He probably felt the audio needed to be released to the public because so many people were flabbergasted by the lengthy suspension, so it made all of those people shut up and realize how crazy Williams is. Pamphilon probably wanted to let the fans know that Williams should NEVER be coaching in the NFL again, and maybe he wants parents to know that there are (possibly) coaches in the high school and collegiate level telling players to do the same thing. I think he only did good by doing this. I applaud you, Pamphilon.

    I thought Gregg only told his players to injure other players, like “put him out of the game and I’ll give you money”… But when I heard the audio, he sounds like a sadistic man who loves seeing people get hurt, killed even. Sick guy.

  34. losangelasbasketball says: Apr 6, 2012 7:44 PM

    I feel bad for sean peyton and his crew because they have been turned into offseason media filler… gotta keep the consumers of sports media well fed… even when the players are vacationing in aruba…

  35. chawk12thman says: Apr 6, 2012 7:46 PM

    He said; He said. I hope they have it on tape, so we all get to hear who actually had the right to release the Williams Rant.

  36. shotgungrampa says: Apr 6, 2012 7:46 PM

    I would like an investigation into whether the refs were paid off in the Saints vs Vikings game. Yes Im a Vikings fan.

  37. morgan420 says: Apr 6, 2012 7:47 PM

    PGUI88 he didnt take advantage of anybody he did what he knew what was right. i want to know how he actually took advantage of him? did he plan this? was he some how involved and was like “o ya gonna make my name big off this?” i mean seriously at what point did he take advantage?

  38. maverick5266 says: Apr 6, 2012 7:47 PM

    I find it interesting that this guy is being accepted by ex-players and current players, but the player who will eventually be identified, that blew the whistle is a “snitch.” I wonder what warren sapp has to say about Mr. Pamphilon? Snitches still get stiches fat man? Or does that player get a thank you from everyone who now sees just how ugly this situation really was?

  39. gvicknair says: Apr 6, 2012 7:48 PM

    If it was so crucial that this be released, why didn’t he turn it over to the league as soon as it happened? Instead he waited over two months, and then released it himself. What’s up with that??? Can any one explain???

  40. iamwhodat says: Apr 6, 2012 7:49 PM

    Did Sean Payton or Micky Loomis make that speech? No. Were they even in the room when that speech was being made? Probably not b/c Pamphilion would’ve let it be known if they were. Yeah they knew about the bounty system, but are they twisted as G.Williams no. I guess its guilty by association… Right? I bet all you people at one point or another covered the a$$ of a coworker before. Payton and Loomis are basically guilty for trying to cover G.Williams a$$ by lying to the commish.

  41. brintfatre says: Apr 6, 2012 7:53 PM

    “Not motivated by greed” but suddenly everyone knows who he is and have been made aware of his previous documentaries.

    Heck, if one fool went out and bought a copy of one of his previous films because of the publicity he probably doubled his sales overnight!

  42. dannymac17 says: Apr 6, 2012 7:54 PM

    if that audio was to be documented with Gleasons children, then we have a bigger problem on our hands.

    Gleason was to use that? im not sure if he violated anything other than a handshake agreement.

    Williams violated the shield, the saints work for the shield. If anything its more whistleblowin and finger pointing if anything.

    He didnt even release the video the audio was from, which was probably far worse.

  43. eyeh8goodell says: Apr 6, 2012 7:55 PM

    Ummm…….. No.

    Actually, it’s all over the illegal program of the New Orleans Saints to intentionally attempt to injure and maim opposing players, and then lie to the Commissioner while continuing this abhorant policy even as you know investigators are watching you.

    THAT’S what this “all over”.

    —————————

    And yet there is zero evidence of any kind that any of those players played their game any differently because of Williams’ sticks & stones. Try again.

  44. tatum064 says: Apr 6, 2012 8:04 PM

    No matter what the Saints did, no matter what Gregg Williams is accused of and no matter how much punishment is meted out.

    Nothing will tarnish the legacy of that Super Bowl team that lifted an entire city. That was a magic year, Brees went on to make history, and they are still signing players (Lofton, Broderick Bunkley and made the signing of the year with Darren Sproles)

    The Saints will march on. That was a great story about a city that suffered much and a franchise that suffered much. This corny “outrage” is hilarious. The hits have been going on for decades, they just got caught and will be the scapegoat.

    There was a time when hits were made without bounties. It wasn’t intentional, it was football.

  45. saintsfan1111 says: Apr 6, 2012 8:08 PM

    > linvillegorge

    You are a sad excuse of a human being.

  46. dogluverssuck says: Apr 6, 2012 8:12 PM

    So Vick supposedly harmed animals & Williams supposedly harmed HUMANS and they both got suspended indefinitely.

    Interesting that the league views animals on the same level as humans.

    The world has indeed gone to the dogs…woof woof :)

  47. jlowery2912 says: Apr 6, 2012 8:16 PM

    Well, one time I was at band camp, and we we’re playing “touch football” and things got a little crazy. Somebody was filming it and thank God they never released it. My parents wouldn’t be happy at all

  48. saints97 says: Apr 6, 2012 8:16 PM

    For the idiots that keep saying Gleason probably received a bounty, get a clue. Gleason retired two years before Williams the Hun got to New Orleans. He had zero relationship with Williams.

  49. vikingamericann says: Apr 6, 2012 8:17 PM

    y5nthon5a I can’t believe people are so stupid. Gleason and Pamphilion had an agreement. Wether it is contractual or a handshake agreement honor must be served. Pamphilon was honor bound to get Gleason permission before releasing it. From what has been reported so far Pamphilon simply decided he knew best and released the tape. If Gleason refused Pamphilon’s request then he could of revealed the existence of the tape without releasing it. This would have served honor and placed the decision in Gleason’s hands.

  50. radrntn says: Apr 6, 2012 8:26 PM

    time to move on……(and not on to peyton)

  51. vikingamericann says: Apr 6, 2012 8:26 PM

    Too many of the posters disgrace themselves with their lack of understanding. It is a sad testament to what America is becoming. Many poster don’t know how to separate hype from reality. The truth is the Saints talked a lot of smack but when it came to play on the field. They played the game by the rules. There were no more injuries caused by them than any other team, they did not have more penalties than any other team, nor were they fined more than any other team. Most of this is part of the locker room culture that in the age of hyperbolic news and glorified bloggers, becomes a big deal. The truth is the Saints played football the way football is supposed to be played. Those who run their mouths about how bad what the Saints did, are un-American crybabies.

  52. onereasonableman says: Apr 6, 2012 8:42 PM

    Imagine you are Gleason. You are, very unfortunately, dying of a horrible disease. You loved the NFL, you loved the Saints and now the Saints have rallied around you and your family.

    It doesn’t take much reading or listening to come to the determination that the NFL is a very tight brotherhood. Now, Gleason will forever be tied to a tape that pretty much ends the debate about the quality of the Saints locker room in general and Williams in particular. I’m sure some will wonder about his loyalty.

    He probably rightly assumes that the Saints (ownership and players) aren’t going to be as supportive as they were before the release. I can’t blame him for not wanting to be forever tied to this situation.

    I’m not taking a position on what he ought to have done, I’m just saying I can’t blame him for not wanting to be tied to this situation while he is facing the fight of his life.

    I’m not I don’t know what his contract situation was in the NFL, but I’m guessing his family is not set for life.

  53. bigcali4life says: Apr 6, 2012 8:49 PM

    jackntorres says:
    Apr 6, 2012 7:07 PM
    Just like Donte Whitner had a right to hit Pierre Thomas. Those who live in glass houses should throw no stones.
    =================================

    This guy has been crying about Donte Whitner since the Saints lost. It was a clean hit. Thomas moved his head to the right and lowered his head into Whitner’s path. Since then Jackntorres cries about it every chance to convince that the Niners are dirty. What made this whole incident hilarious is the fact it was the Saints who were caught being dirty and you’ve been back pedaling and pointing the finger since.

    On to the subject: I would have to wait to see what their contact exactly says. I’m not sure if there would be language about the conversations in the room when Gleason was not talking to the team? I think 90% of that speach is regular coach talk. The part where he talks about Crabtree’s ACL, Williams’ concussion history and paying for getting Alex Smith’s head is where he screwed up.

    To the Saints fans who are saying the Giants also said the same about Kyle Williams: yeah they said it, but there is no evidence (or even accusation) about the Giants getting paid for hitting him. It’s called the scouting report. There is a big difference between putting a bounty to injure a guy and making the team aware of his injuries. I’m sure you won’t accept it though and continue to point the finger and act like your team are martyrs.

  54. Deb says: Apr 6, 2012 9:00 PM

    It’s unlikely Pamphilon would risk his career as a documentary filmmaker by violating his production agreement with Gleason. I’m sure he had the right to release the recordings. And as others have said, it would be a further tragedy for Gleason to imply agreement with Williams’s tactics by complaining about the release. The Saints coaches knew a documentarian was documenting their behavior. That Williams was foolish enough to say this stuff while being recorded just underscores his arrogant disregard for league rules and total lack of common sense.

  55. patfic15 says: Apr 6, 2012 9:03 PM

    garyman1 says:
    Apr 6, 2012 7:13 PM
    There is no winner here…. kind of like hearing when your girlfriend is sleeping around with everybody.(probably with most of you guys…the odds would be good).
    it may be the truth…but it’s not pleasant

    _________________

    Nice general population burn, sir.

  56. randomguy9999 says: Apr 6, 2012 9:06 PM

    Pamphilon both

    a- was legally released from any obligation to non disclosure when Williams offered payment in exchange for aggravated assault on tape… a contract that results in an illegal act (conspiracy to coverup the assault contract) is null and void…

    b- adhered to the spirit of the contract anyway by not disclosing anything whatsoever that was private to the Gleason family

    all you guys saying he violated the trust of a dying man are just scrambling for an excuse to say covering up these crimes was OK…..

  57. phillyphever says: Apr 6, 2012 9:09 PM

    dogluverssuck says: Apr 6, 2012 8:12 PM So Vick supposedly harmed animals & Williams supposedly harmed HUMANS and they both got suspended indefinitely.

    Interesting that the league views animals on the same level as humans.

    The world has indeed gone to the dogs…woof woof

    The league didn’t have choice on Vick because of his jail sentence, so can’t compare the two of them.

  58. 7to10for6allday says: Apr 6, 2012 9:13 PM

    It’s freakin football. If Williams doesn’t mention head or acl, are players going to hit softer?? Do nfl players have the time to decide where to hit someone?? This is all about goodell being lied too….it’s a bunch of baloney. Now let’s get back to free agency and the draft.

  59. reporterofthetruth says: Apr 6, 2012 9:17 PM

    We live in a sad society considering the number of people that have posted in this thread who think its OK to betray the trust of a friend or violate a personal agreement such as Pamphilion did. Really sad.

    The old saying about picking your friends wisely is true.

  60. snoopyjoecool says: Apr 6, 2012 9:21 PM

    If he released it privately to the NFL as he should have there wouldn’t be a debate if he had a right to or not.

    If you had evidence pertinent to a major crime you wouldn’t post it on the Internet you’d turn it over to authorities.

    The way he did it was in his best interest only at the expense of others. Disgusting

  61. tjigger says: Apr 6, 2012 9:22 PM

    Some people on here are confused… Pamphilion did not say he didn’t get paid for the tape . He said he didn’t get paid by Gleason for the work about his life.

  62. frankyvito says: Apr 6, 2012 9:24 PM

    This HAD to come out. Before now every player who spoke on the subject spoke of it in generic terms. Example: I want you to take him out. That’s the kind of thing they said was common place but didn’t mean it intentionally. The whole ‘outside ACL’ quote kind of lets them know the depravity of this man and why this situation was different and stiff actions had to be taken. Gleason is on the wrong side of this. I’m all for privacy and not breaking your word if that’s what was done, but what about the unwritten rules that were broken by Williams? If you’re on the side of privacy after hearing that audio and you’re more offended by how it was gathered than the actual harm doer’s words then your priorities need analyzing

  63. daysend564 says: Apr 6, 2012 9:38 PM

    Still amazing how many apologist Saints fans there are.

  64. fringetastic says: Apr 6, 2012 9:40 PM

    We live in a sad society considering the number of people that have posted in this thread who think its OK to keep quiet and hide evidence of conspiracies to maim coworkers and fellow Americans. Really sad.

  65. sdwat54 says: Apr 6, 2012 9:48 PM

    @gvicknair

    If it was so crucial that this be released, why didn’t he turn it over to the league as soon as it happened? Instead he waited over two months, and then released it himself. What’s up with that??? Can any one explain???

    ———————————–

    There are a LOT of mental hurdles to leap when considering the release of supporting evidence in a situation with great national interest. I do not know Pamphilon or Gleason, but this story – and the supporting evidence – is larger than both of them.

    Insofar as releasing it through the press, that one I can explain with some confidence, borne of experience. It was the safest move, to put it in the hands of the media rather than the NFL League office, or for that matter Gregg Williams or the Saints organization. Going straight to a public forum offers some protection against a variety of possibile responses, none of them good. Not to say the NFL would have dismissed it, threatened him in some way with legal action, etc., but better safe than sorry.

    If he was looking to make money from it, then you’d have been whipping out your credit card to hear it on a web site somewhere, or he’d have sold it to the highest media bidder. He’s been villified by a lot of blog commenters already, and yet, all he did was provide strong supporting evidence of an existing finding. Making the decision to release it at all I’m sure gave him no end of sleepless nights, whether anyone believes that or not.

    as to the argument made by some that he somehow violated a trust between he and Gleason, again, this was larger than both of them. God bless Gleason and his family, and what he was trying to do in hiring Pamphilion for his children is noble and brave. As some have pointed out, however, the extraordinary nature of the audio of Williams telling his players to target heads and knees of previously injured opponents is vile in the extreme.

    I’m glad Pamphilion came to the conclusion that the audio had to be revealed, and I don’t blame him a bit for doing it through the media. That was the best move in a bevy of tough choices.

  66. vikingamericann says: Apr 6, 2012 9:57 PM

    randomguy9999 | Apr 6, 2012, 9:06 PM EDT
    Pamphilon both

    a- was legally released from any obligation to non disclosure when Williams offered payment in exchange for aggravated assault on tape… a contract that results in an illegal act (conspiracy to coverup the assault contract) is null and void…

    Random guy you are wrong. I think you are trying to argue breach of contract under mandated reporters section of the law. This will come as a huge shock to some but the NFL is not a law enforcement agency. Under this type of breach of contract he would have a write to turn it over to law enforcement. Yahoo is not law enforcement. Williams is not being charged with a crime. Sheesh! Posters are getting dumber all the time.

  67. kronix7 says: Apr 6, 2012 10:01 PM

    That’s funny that Saints* fans think that it should have been released to the NFL. Why? Everybody knows that the NFL wouldn’t have released it and the Saints* fans would still be asking where’s the proof? Pathetic..

  68. dafc0n says: Apr 6, 2012 10:10 PM

    Too bad no one ever leaks the Wunderlich scores for coaches, I’ve heard the tape, and I would be surprised if Gregg Williams scored higher than 3.
    This guy and his ilk needs to be banned from football, to the extent that he should’nt even be able to watch a pop warner game.

  69. vikingamericann says: Apr 6, 2012 10:25 PM

    There are a LOT of mental hurdles to leap when considering the release of supporting evidence in a situation with great national interest. I do not know Pamphilon or Gleason, but this story – and the supporting evidence – is larger than both of them.

    “great national interest” “larger than both of them” man your priorities are whacked. This is football it’s a brief escape from reality. Great national importance I think not. This is an issue of mind candy. It is a chance for arm chair quarterbacks to pass judgement on people who have achieved more than they have in life. It is the modern day version of Voltaire’s Candide.

  70. pftbillsfan says: Apr 6, 2012 10:48 PM

    Id like to think this man was motivated by a sense of moral obligation to do the right thing. but if so why wait until now and not when the 49ers return man was having death threats made at him. or how about the day after the incident.

  71. hooterdawg says: Apr 6, 2012 11:02 PM

    “The material I shot with Steve this past year was unbelievably compelling and there was no doubt this film would have been HUGE. In effect, yesterday, I gave up a sure thing, to do what myself and many other parents would consider the right thing.”

    It seems that this disagreement has killed the project. It’s a shame that Gleason has come across as petty when there is a much larger issue at stake: intention to injure. How can a dying man fail to see the big picture in life – if not for himself, then for his son River.

  72. hooterdawg says: Apr 6, 2012 11:08 PM

    “If it was so crucial that this be released, why didn’t he turn it over to the league as soon as it happened?”

    Does anyone remember what happened to the bulk of the Spygates tapes turned over to Roger Goodell in 2007? He destroyed them so the media was never able to investigate how long the Pats were stealing signals. The NFL is not required to release or preserve evidence that it considers damning to the league. Pamphilon might have gotten paid off to ‘forget’ the incident just like many suspect Matt Walsh was.

  73. thejuddstir says: Apr 6, 2012 11:11 PM

    Saints* fans hate J. Shockey, they hate Goodell, they hate Pamphilon and now that Payton and Co. have come up with the “rogue” Greg Williams, the fans finally hate him too. It’s a clear case of “perception being reality” and no matter the evidence (admissions, audio tape, video tape, etc.) saints* fans will continue to live in denial. With the release of yesterdays tape, Payton should be suspended for 2 years, fines increased and more draft choices taken away and I also say it’s time that Tom Benson is taken to task……no one is going to convince me that the old goat didn’t know about this for 3 years.

  74. billsfan1 says: Apr 6, 2012 11:27 PM

    its unbelievable how proponents of this video tape not being released are using a sick man to hide behind..If this had been taped on hard knocks, you would want this released…
    he violated nothing in regards to releasing this… there is damning and damaging video/audio evidence of Gregg WIlliams and this needed to be released..

    Of course Gleason is going to sticking up for the team who has really stuck by his side and that is noble but really, Is Williams that much of a dumbass to have that stuff put on tape?

  75. fusion3450 says: Apr 6, 2012 11:49 PM

    I would love to sit and debate so many people that post on here that think they know things. Instead of seeing people talk crap hiding behind their user names. I wonder how many will be brave enough to enter the superdome and talk next season

  76. jonny42671 says: Apr 6, 2012 11:52 PM

    @tatum64

    Keep telling yourself that, someday you might actually believe it.

  77. jonny42671 says: Apr 7, 2012 12:00 AM

    @vikingamericann

    Do you actually think anyone believes your not a AINTS fan? But I am glad you pulled out your dictionary to post some big words.

  78. bartpkelly says: Apr 7, 2012 6:53 AM

    The more focus on Williams the less ont heplayers who are also guilty for putting up the money to support this behavior.

  79. csmit44 says: Apr 7, 2012 8:08 AM

    Can just 1 of the torches and pitchfork crowd ACTUALLY point out an instance of the Saints players carrying out this BS that Williams is spouting out? Fans of other teams keep crying out for increasing the penalties, etc but the only tangible bounty actions that the media keeps coming back to are 1 possible hit on Favre that wasn’t called (the other hits were) and he missed no time. We also have a legal block on Kurt Warner where he missed a series when the saints were rolling on offense and up multiple scores. We know there were apparently bounties set by Williams on Rodgers and Cam and we now have this ridiculous diatribe by him. However, there is absolutely no evidence of the players taking any of this to heart besides media assumptions. Payton is done for a year, Williams done for good (most likely). Not really sure what more people want from a seemingly menacing system that provided very little in the way of actual results or damage.

    And Vikings fans spare us. One extra hit on your quarterback didn’t cause you to turn the ball over 5 times or have Brett Favre go gunslinger and toss it across his body into traffic, or allow The Saints offense to put up 30+.

  80. kronix7 says: Apr 7, 2012 8:27 AM

    Fusion, so mad that he would like to hit somebody, that’s about the dumbest comment on here. Lol wow. Your pissed off because your wrong and you know it. Maybe you’ll run into somebody that will take your knees out. Your okay with right. Sure you are your a Saints* fan. Pffft. Idiot, and yes I would say it to you.

  81. kronix7 says: Apr 7, 2012 8:29 AM

    You all do know what a forum is right? If don’t like it, don’t read it.

  82. biist says: Apr 7, 2012 8:45 AM

    NFL had leather helmets and no face masks. Deacon Jones of LA RAMS and Manny Fernandez (72 Dolphins) spoke in the same language as Williams. Ray Nitchsky and Dick Butcus ate RBs and TEs for breakfast. The NFL was the last institution that respected its history. And it was clear it was part of the game. You would never see Deacon, Manny, Bubba Smith act the same when they were off-the-field. Most saw Nitchsky as a kind gentle giant off the field.
    Mr. Pamphilon’s aggrandizing release of the tape is analogous to him being invited to Mr. Gleason’s home and releasing tape of the drunk uncle hugging his niece a little too long and missing the chair when he sat down. It was private. He had no ‘moral’ obligation to the ‘public’. It should have stayed in the ‘family’ so the family could manage it without Inside Edition cameras.
    The slip-and-fall lawyers run the NFL. Risk is [was] part of life and part of the game. Eliminating risk and all the causes of injury will eliminate the value of the game. Yes, it is a balance. Mr. Williams was using colorful language but how many fans want to see their favorite team’s opponent qb layed out on his back and carted off? Did Chris Carter ever block DB by diving at his knees? Deacon Jones epitomizes the culture. NFL leadership feining shock that teams game-plan against or for specific players is pure theater and legal posturing ( they own the casino but act shocked when seeing gambling).

    No, Mr. Pamphilon is self-aggrandizing. I question his morals more than Mr. Williams (whom has helped 100s if not 1000s of disadvantaged children through his charities. Yes, that’s right, you never heard about Mr. Williams tireless work for children because he does it quietly behind the scenes).

  83. macbull says: Apr 7, 2012 8:54 AM

    Pamphilon talks about what is “the best in Gleason’s best interest”…

    …but did Pamphilon ask Gleason if he thought releasing the recordings would be in Gleason’s best interests?

    NO, he did not…and that is where Pamphilon’s problems start.

    If there is a written agreement that says those recordings belong to Gleason…I hope Pamphilon gets sewed for everything he has.

    Pamphilon made his bed, now he will have to lay in it. He will likely be banned from every NFL teams premises.

    Pamphilon violated the trust of a “dying man”…a new low for the sports media.

  84. saint43life says: Apr 7, 2012 8:55 AM

    Everything done or implemented by Nfl is legal but when used its wrong. The bounty scandal or whatever you want to call it is ridiculous. Name 1game bounty worked? Niners score36,vikes28,pack42&seattle 32. So did the bounty affect any games if so I’ll wait for a response.

  85. paulitik74 says: Apr 7, 2012 8:55 AM

    Wow, Saints fans exploiting a tragedy to make their case and garner symapthy. I’m shocked.

  86. macbull says: Apr 7, 2012 8:58 AM

    Make that sued…

  87. kingpel says: Apr 7, 2012 9:38 AM

    Can we stop acting so outarged at some point? Keep crying and soon athletes will be held legally responsible for actions that take place on the football field. Is that where we want this to go? Nut up already you cry babies. If you can handle the violence, go watch soccer.

  88. toolkien says: Apr 7, 2012 11:08 AM

    Ah, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to kill the head so the body will follow and you won’t have to apologize for the way you play….

    What Williams did was the felonious act of conspiracy. I don’t care through what LEGAL methods this information was gathered, this information is legitimately public domain as criminal activity is embedded in it. There is NO attorney/client privilege or illegal gathering of information. Any contractual elements are overridden by the criminal conduct. In other words, this is legitimate evidence in a court of law. Debating whether it was releasable only by subpoena is semantics.

    So let’s be clear. What Williams did needs to be adjudicated, and this information is a backbone for the prosecution. If someone is aware of a crime such as this they may not be bound to disclose it, but if they do, any civil “abuse” takes a back set the criminality involved.

  89. saint43life says: Apr 7, 2012 11:47 AM

    You can really tell who like football for the love or just for the final score. Williams did it do what suspend him for 2years and let’s move on. It’s about the Rookies coming in not about Saints. I love football for the luv not for the extra media bs. I am a Saints fan 4life an a Nfl fan for the love. So to all stop trying to figure out what Nfl knew 56years ago. God bless our soldiers & the Martin family struggling with the death of their son from wearing a Hoodie.

  90. rmfields says: Apr 7, 2012 12:10 PM

    He shouldn’t have released it. Goodell already knew enough and laid out the punishments.

    What this “filmmaker” did was basically ensure that no other filmmaker will be allowed in to an NFL locker room ever again.

  91. sfsaintsfan says: Apr 7, 2012 2:47 PM

    bigcali4life says:

    “Thomas moved his head to the right and lowered his head into Whitner’s path. Since then Jackntorres cries about it every chance to convince that the Niners are dirty. What made this whole incident hilarious is the fact it was the Saints who were caught being dirty and you’ve been back pedaling and pointing the finger since.”

    “The part where he talks about Crabtree’s ACL, Williams’ concussion history and paying for getting Alex Smith’s head is where he screwed up.”

    “To the Saints fans who are saying the Giants also said the same about Kyle Williams: yeah they said it, but there is no evidence (or even accusation) about the Giants getting paid for hitting him. It’s called the scouting report. There is a big difference between putting a bounty to injure a guy and making the team aware of his injuries. I’m sure you won’t accept it though and continue to point the finger and act like your team are martyrs.”

    *************

    BigCali, you are correct on many points. The hit on Thomas was within the rules, the “speech” by Gregg Williams was stupid and should not have been made. But you, and just about everyone in the media is missing the point:

    Over the last three years, the Saints, as a team, have been nowhere near the dirtiest team in the NFL. The NFL reviews EVERY PLAY from EVERY GAME and then fines players for illegal hits. If the hit on Pierre Thomas was a legal hit, and it was, then the hits the Saints have put on other players, within the rules, were legal hits also.

    There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that ANY Saints player altered their play and delivered an ILLEGAL hit to any player as a result of a bounty. NONE, ZERO, NO EVIDENCE.

    Gregg Williams is an idiot, Sean Payton should suffer a penalty of some sort (a one year suspension is too much), but see beyond the words, and some actions (failing to stop the talk), but please look at the actions on the field. Some individual players have been fined more for ILLEGAL HITS over the last three years than the entire Saints team as a whole.

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