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Kurt Warner thinks Gregg Williams deserves a second chance

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With several current and former NFL players coming forward in the last couple days to say that ex-Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams should be banned for life for orchestrating the team’s bounty program, one of the targets of that program is speaking up for second chances.

Kurt Warner, who was specifically named in the NFL’s investigation as a player the Saints’ defense was urged to take out, is spreading a message of forgiveness.

“All this talk about Gregg Williams receiving a “LIFETIME” ban from NFL,” Warner wrote on Twitter. “I disagree, we all deserve a 2nd chance!”

A fan responded to Warner’s tweet by pointing out that Williams already got a second chance when the NFL first warned the Saints that bounties would not be tolerated, and that Williams ignored the warning and continued the bounties. But Warner says the NFL should continue its long tradition of giving people the opportunity to redeem themselves.

“Guys that have gone 2 prison? Failed multiple drug test? Taped practices? All got 2nd chance!” Warner wrote.

It would be easy for Warner to hold a grudge against Williams and join those who are calling for his head. But it would also be out of character: Warner is the type to give someone who’s in trouble a helping hand, not kick him when he’s down.

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  1. kilo0986 says: Apr 7, 2012 2:32 PM

    Sure, in about 10 years

  2. dsimp724 says: Apr 7, 2012 2:34 PM

    Wow I thought the bounty was on his legs not his head

  3. kilo0986 says: Apr 7, 2012 2:34 PM

    Sure, in about 10 years.

  4. markpackman says: Apr 7, 2012 2:34 PM

    This speaks more highly of Kurt Warner than is does of Williams. Kurt is definitely an NFL role model – an icon! I aspire to be as forgiving as Mr. Warner.

  5. bigpara says: Apr 7, 2012 2:34 PM

    Kurt Warner is getting very annoying to me, dude just go away.

  6. canadianvikingfaniii says: Apr 7, 2012 2:35 PM

    Kurt is a religious fanatic, he’d probably say Kony or Hitler would deserve a second chance too.

  7. tigershark49 says: Apr 7, 2012 2:35 PM

    Like the article says, Kurt, this was his second chance. Gregg Williams should join al-qeada!

  8. trbowman says: Apr 7, 2012 2:37 PM

    “Guys that have gone 2 prison?”

    If referring to Pacman and Vick, should not be in the league.

    “Failed multiple drug test? Taped practices?”

    Neither of which are close to as bad as what Williams did.

    And as that fan astutely points out, Williams all but already received a second chance.

  9. chadmurdigan says: Apr 7, 2012 2:37 PM

    I hear Warner’s going to be peachin’ at tomorrow’s Easter service with Tebow… praise Jesus and forgiveness for all sinners!

  10. linvillegorge says: Apr 7, 2012 2:37 PM

    Nope, sorry. Plus, Williams, Payton, and the entire Saints organization had a second chance when they were warned to stop this mess back in what, 2010? They thumbed their nose at the NFL and kept on with it anyway. Screw ‘em all.

  11. lks311 says: Apr 7, 2012 2:38 PM

    Kurt Warner is everything Tim Tebow is not. Doesn’t wear his religion on this sleeve, but, shows it in almost every action in his life. Not that anything’s wrong with Tebow’s way, just not my preference. Love Warner wanting to turn the other cheek (after nearly getting decapitated) and saying Williams should get another shot.

    Now for the reality. There may be as much as a Billion dollars in law suits weighing in the balance over the next few years. Letting Williams back in the league may be viewed as tacit approval that targeting people for injury, while frowned upon, is ultimately just a minor infraction.

    Williams is done.

  12. johanneschimpo says: Apr 7, 2012 2:39 PM

    Kurt Warner also thinks Jesus is magic.

  13. dryzzt23 says: Apr 7, 2012 2:39 PM

    I agree with Warner.

    GW does deserve a second chance. He didn’t hurt or kill anybody.

    Mike Vick KILLED dogs for fun and the entire black community and media screamed to not judge him and that Vick “deserves a second chance”.

    Ray Lewis KILLED a man and got away with it. The black community backed up Ray Lewis as well, as did the media.

    The NFL should fine/suspend GW but if he is given a lifetime ban, then every dog murderer, human murderer (Lewis), rapist, woman beater, and drug dealer in the NFL had better get the same lifetime ban.

  14. nflsucker says: Apr 7, 2012 2:39 PM

    I like the forgiving nature, but I wonder about precedent. At some point, isn’t it good to send a message to NFL troublemakers of whatever kind that if you screw up maliciously enough, you just screwed yourself out of a lucrative career? To skip a year and then come back in–a little shame-faced and penalized, sure, but back and able to haul in a lot of loot, isn’t all that much of a deterrent.

  15. djstat says: Apr 7, 2012 2:40 PM

    How come NFL players and coaches all deserve second chances? If Williams were a gym teacher and screwed a 17 year old female student he would be in jail and NEVER allowed to teach again. Why should a guy who instructed and demanded injury be allowed a second chance?

  16. jimiinpa says: Apr 7, 2012 2:40 PM

    yes, let mock someone who see’s some good in everyone. class act Kurt

  17. ridgebak says: Apr 7, 2012 2:40 PM

    Easy for him to say when he didn’t get severely injured. What if he had, would he be saying the same thing?

  18. dryzzt23 says: Apr 7, 2012 2:41 PM

    Both Vick and Lewis, and even Jerome Simpson will be allowed to play in the NFL and they killed dogs, killed a person, and dealt drugs.

    Why should a non-violent offender like GW be banned from his life’s passion?

  19. yojoemama says: Apr 7, 2012 2:41 PM

    Warner is a good man. We can all learn something from him.

  20. bucstats says: Apr 7, 2012 2:41 PM

    Though I disagree with Kurt on this particular issue, I have to admire his class and his willingness to forgive.

  21. jeff061 says: Apr 7, 2012 2:41 PM

    It’s a Gladiator sport, as an attorney I would love to represent Williams if they tried to ban him for life and prevent him from earning his $1M salary.

    Everyone does it, everyone says it. It’s an accepted practice. If a Coach says you need to kill the guy across from you – are you attempting to murder him.

    This is all ridiculous – it means nothing unless you can play the audio from the other 30 locker rooms – and have them talking about roses and lollipops instead of destroying the opponent and inflicting maximum pain on the QB…that’s football.

  22. toledoohoh says: Apr 7, 2012 2:43 PM

    He’s happy to repeat the proven lie about taping practices though, so that’s good.

  23. nbaraie says: Apr 7, 2012 2:44 PM

    If Mike Vick and Leonard Little can get 2nd chances, Gregg Williams can too.

  24. icardfan says: Apr 7, 2012 2:44 PM

    Typical of Mr Warner. Class act.

  25. dondada10 says: Apr 7, 2012 2:44 PM

    I wonder what Warner really thinks. He could very well be using this as a platform to promote himself; why not take the highroad if you’re Warner? He knows damn well that Williams is toast.

  26. chazzmichaelmichaels says: Apr 7, 2012 2:46 PM

    Good for him. Good guy.

  27. kingpel says: Apr 7, 2012 2:47 PM

    The year suspension is a fair start and Goodell has stated that Williams had better be proactive in making a difference so that this doesnt happen again. Re-evaluate the situation in 2013 and see where we stand.

  28. evanc530 says: Apr 7, 2012 2:48 PM

    Tedy Bruschi just said on ESPN News that he thinks Greg Williams deserves a second chance also.

  29. jacobslatter says: Apr 7, 2012 2:48 PM

    Gregg had chances to stop the madness when the Saints were 1st investigated a couple of years ago but they kept right on doin’ it & lied ’til the end. No mas, hombre.

  30. holdthemayo123 says: Apr 7, 2012 2:48 PM

    Who taped practices?
    If Williams were a darker shade, calls for a second chance would certainly be widespread.

  31. kegowhisky says: Apr 7, 2012 2:50 PM

    I disagree with Warner, but damn sure admire his morals in being able to forgive and forget. Bravo!

  32. fatfreddystubbs says: Apr 7, 2012 2:52 PM

    Darren Woodson and Tedy Bruschi were on ESPN this morning and said essentially the same thing, which is fine, that’s their opinion.

    But what gets me is that they also said that Williams is being denied his ability to earn a living and support his family and all that, which is ridiculous.

    He’s not being denied his ability to earn a living. He’s being denied his ability to earn a living in his chosen profession, and that’s big difference.

    I’m not a big fan of people comparing their job to pro athletes or coaches, but in this case, there are millions of Americans right now in the same situation as Williams, being forced to work in a different industry after doing the same thing for 20 or 30 years. The difference, the overwhelming majority of them AREN’T in that situation because they repeatedly broke the rules of their profession.

  33. forty9asty says: Apr 7, 2012 2:53 PM

    dryzzt23 says:
    Apr 7, 2012 2:39 PM

    The NFL should fine/suspend GW but if he is given a lifetime ban, then every dog murderer, human murderer (Lewis), rapist, woman beater, and drug dealer in the NFL had better get the same lifetime ban.

    —————————————————–
    Then who would be left to play our beloved game of football???

  34. LoCoSu@%s says: Apr 7, 2012 2:56 PM

    Kurt Warner is a good man.

  35. skins716 says: Apr 7, 2012 2:57 PM

    I agree with Warner, isn’t like Williams killed any dogs or got busted for drugs or dui.

  36. Deb says: Apr 7, 2012 2:57 PM

    Guys that have gone to prison and failed drug tests weren’t trying to injure other players. The comment about taping practices was just a Ram trying to get in a dig at the Patriots over something that was never proved. I hate the Pats, but you lost the game, Rams. Man up and get over it. The Pats were simply the better team that day.

    I think this is less about Warner preaching redemption than Warner making headlines as a broadcaster. It’s not the first time he’s made outrageous comments to get attention. My respect for the guy has ebbed daily since he left the field.

  37. ascensionparish says: Apr 7, 2012 3:00 PM

    I used to hate Kurt Warner when he played for the Rams. But then you get older and you gain perspective. More people, myself included, could learn a thing or two from him.

  38. davidbrookings1 says: Apr 7, 2012 3:00 PM

    Kurt Warner has earned the right to have an opinion on this if you ask me, and this has nothing to do with his religion. No need to compare him to Tebow, for all you jagaloons who are doing so

  39. athoula707 says: Apr 7, 2012 3:01 PM

    So he can put bounty on Kurt Warner again

  40. tonyc920 says: Apr 7, 2012 3:05 PM

    To mock Mr Warner is classless and just plain wrong. Greg Williams should deserve a second chance but also a strong penalty. If he were to be suspended for 2 seasons and not be allowed participation in ANY FORM of football, including college ball or as an NFL analyst, television or radio, I would be satisfied with that. He didn’t kill anybody but what he encouraged was really bad and should be dealt a severe punishment.

  41. chachanola says: Apr 7, 2012 3:07 PM

    someone above said easy for him to say he didn’t get severely injured…what would he be saying if he had Goid point he’s had the expierience and played the game. It happend to him. It didn’t happen to anyone else who’s posted anythingsince this whole thing has come out. The people who don’t play the game at all are playing Jimmy Swaggert near tears…snot running like its seriously affecting your life and paycheck…That’s the comedy…they take your money to pay theirs but your opinion means nothing. As long as you continue to buy jerseys & tickets is all that matters. Cause even after his QB paycheck. He gets six figures to sit at a table for 7 months a year and interview here and there. I guess he can afford to be forgiving….cause you can’t

  42. jigwig13 says: Apr 7, 2012 3:07 PM

    I believe in second chances…I’ve been reading these comments on this subject and some are just dumb imo about bad things ppl did and still are allowed to play in the nfl…but they are players not coaches…coaches gm’s and owners should have higher standards then a player…he’s ordering ppl to hurt other ppl that goes outside of the game..that’s not coaching…imo he shouldn’t get a third chance in the nfl…

  43. ballsohard91 says: Apr 7, 2012 3:13 PM

    people deserve second chances……just not this scumbag

  44. CKL says: Apr 7, 2012 3:20 PM

    Deb says: Apr 7, 2012 2:57 PM

    Guys that have gone to prison and failed drug tests weren’t trying to injure other players. The comment about taping practices was just a Ram trying to get in a dig at the Patriots over something that was never proved. I hate the Pats, but you lost the game, Rams. Man up and get over it. The Pats were simply the better team that day.
    ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
    You’re right, he probably was taking an (erroneous) smack at the Pats but under Josh McDaniels in Den a practice of another team WAS taped and the discipline on them was EXTREMELY light compared to the raindown of armageddon on the Pats who never taped practices, just stuff everyone watching the game in person could all see. But you know I wasn’t a fan of JM returning to the Pats anyway. :)

    I’m torn on this one really. I think I’m leaning towards reinstating him, knowing that only a fool would ever hire the guy again (Hi, Jeff Fisher!). With the litigiousness of society today, it wouldn’t be a good move to fail to reinstate a guy if he met all your terms and conditions.

  45. strokeytheclown says: Apr 7, 2012 3:20 PM

    There went my opinion of Kurt Warner!

  46. nfl fan says: Apr 7, 2012 3:28 PM

    I’m starting to care less and less what Kurt Warner thinks.

  47. franklamar17 says: Apr 7, 2012 3:29 PM

    We as Americans can learn a lot about how Kurt said mr Williams deserves another chance.im sure all of us have something that we did but did not get caught,but if we had it would have turned our world up side down…but By the grace of the lord,we was sparred…

  48. conormacleod says: Apr 7, 2012 3:31 PM

    If we all turned the other cheek we would all be speaking German. Somebody has to stand up and do the right thing instead of saying “it’s ok”. Forgive all you want Kurt. I choose to hold people accountable for their mistakes.

  49. foosballisthedevil says: Apr 7, 2012 3:34 PM

    Good for Kurt in taking the high road and asking for forgiveness for Williams. I have a great deal of respect for him.
    I’m not so forgiving. Lifetime ban and force the NCAA to ban him as well.

  50. bing253 says: Apr 7, 2012 3:37 PM

    Not everyone is entitled a second chance and this is an example of one. Comparing what mistakes people make off the field is different from premeditated attempts to end players career on the field like Williams was doing. He was pretty clear in what he wanted done to players in regard to hurting them and that doesn’t deserve a second chance. If his action did end someones career does that player get a second chance? That’s why he should never be allowed to coach again and he should be the NFLs version of the Black Sox.

  51. touchdownroddywhite says: Apr 7, 2012 3:37 PM

    If the NFL was filled with Kurt Warners, things like the arrest meter wouldn’t even exist. The guy is as stand up as they come. I don’t even know the man and I’d go to war with him

  52. themonster49 says: Apr 7, 2012 3:38 PM

    Ahem.

    Dear Kurt Warner,

    We appreciate your desire to help others. Do not disrespect us, insult us, or mock us, ever. This man has been doing this for years, knew the league was onto him and continued anyways. He has made millions of dollars. He has everything that hundreds of millions of americans strive everyday towards, to be in a position to not have to worry anout your families well being through that of food and shelter. To say to us, that a man whom his profession has paid him millions of dollars, solidifying his families future of food and shelter, and having enough money to feed hundreds of families whose members are working every day of their lives as long as they can stand each day without a choice so that they can simply feed their family and have a roof over their heads, to say that man should receive a second chance, after his negative at best and evil at worst actions could have taken away other peoples First Chance, or possibly hurting them so bad they Dont Ever Get A Second Chance because of what he, Gregg Williams did, to say that he, at this stage, in the face of countless others who deserve, even if only more so than Gregg Williams deserves, to be given their First Chance in the league and could and probably should replace Gregg Williams place, to say all of that Kurt Warner, is one of the last things a good person should have said. Tell us not to crucify him in the media, but do not come in here and disrespect us, insult us, and mock us. Millionaire Gregg Williams gets a second chance? Give someone else 16 years in the dream life, anyone else, give more players their first chance back after he probably had their knees taken out for good, heck, Kurt Warner why dont you give Them a second chance.

  53. legeisyaj says: Apr 7, 2012 3:41 PM

    Really thee should be no “lifetime ban”. Make it an “indefinite ban” and force him and everyone else to earn it. A “lifetime ban” is too easy and too harsh today in the hot aftermath of this crappy event. Let it linger. Make him, and other offenders of hideous acts, actually earn their way back in. Over time. With meaningful punishment, then meaningful results.

  54. daknight93 says: Apr 7, 2012 3:41 PM

    I agree with Kurt…Gregg Williams deserves a 2nd chance, I’m quite sure with this suspension he will change his coaching approach to the game…the guy has been silenced and put on the shelf…offensive players want him banned of course….the audio was his way of motivating the players, tho some of the language and terms were over the top…players will not attempt to injure another fellow player, despite GW reckless and barbaric talk….we live in a harsh and judgmental society without a heart to forgive anyone and it’s sad cause no one is perfect and we all make mistakes…wish G-Dubb the best and hopes he’s learned his lesson cause this is a new world order of football…goodell is very sensitive about vicious hard knocks football and will ban it from the game.

  55. thejuddstir says: Apr 7, 2012 3:42 PM

    I’m all for giving Williams a second chance IF he comes 100% clean with Goodell on who was all involved, who knew what, when and where. This is not in defense of Williams, as what he did was wrong and he needs to serve his suspension, but I will never be convinced that Sean Payton, Loomis and the other asst. coach weren’t just as involved, and probably even Tom Benson himself. No successful businessperson knows every little thing going on by his underlings, but something of the magnitude and for this long, had to be sanctioned from above G. Williams.

  56. paulitik74 says: Apr 7, 2012 3:42 PM

    I don’t necessarily think Williams should get a lifetime ban, although I doubt anyone hires him even if the ban was lifted anytime this decade. He’s too toxic and whatever organization does will be too vulnerable for possible lawsuits.

    All that said, didn’t he get his second chance when he was warned 2 years ago?

    Williams has been the only one to take his punishment with class. I say give Williams a year, and ban Payton and Loomis.

  57. bartpkelly says: Apr 7, 2012 3:47 PM

    When the NFL said they were investigating bounties a year or two ago, that was his chance to stop doing it. He continued doing it when he had his second chance…

  58. rtk23 says: Apr 7, 2012 3:57 PM

    WhO in the hell would hire him anyway? It’s not like he’s the greatest dcoordinater to ever coach.

  59. geauxmez says: Apr 7, 2012 3:58 PM

    about time someone says something realistic. as a Saints fan, i cant stand williams. never could. not even in ’09. but people are bringing way too much hate to the table towards him, and my Saints.

  60. fsf7 says: Apr 7, 2012 3:58 PM

    dryzzt23 says:Apr 7, 2012 2:41 PM

    Both Vick and Lewis, and even Jerome Simpson will be allowed to play in the NFL and they killed dogs, killed a person, and dealt drugs.

    Why should a non-violent offender like GW be banned from his life’s passion?
    ————————–

    Don’t you get it?

    When people get up on their soapbox and the media leads them down a path, people lack the ability to have opinions of their own. They believe only what is in the article in front of them and nothing else.

    Forget the transgressions that led to actual convictions – lets focus on the stories that create controversy and get ratings.

    2 plus 2 equals 4. You figure it out.

  61. EJ says: Apr 7, 2012 4:21 PM

    I do believe in second chances, most people do, but in this case Gregg Williams was already warned to stop what he was doing. Not just that point, he also cut a little too deep by asking for players to be injured, not just roughed up some. He wanted players to not be able to run, walk or stand anymore. He wanted to add to the damage of the concussed, Some sick crap. Therefore, banishment from the NFL is asking little, the guy should be charged with orchestrated intent to assault.

  62. rugdog100 says: Apr 7, 2012 4:27 PM

    If Warner is so gung-ho, then maybe he should let Williams coach his kids first.

  63. vikingdoode says: Apr 7, 2012 4:30 PM

    Revisit this in about a year….

  64. chawk12thman says: Apr 7, 2012 4:34 PM

    It is what the Commissioner decides and until Goodell retires, it won’t happen….period.

  65. Deb says: Apr 7, 2012 4:45 PM

    @CKL …

    Well, you know how I feel about McDaniels … creative football mind, but too much drama and not enough trustworthiness. Have a feeling BB will keep him on a tight lead.

    People can be remorseful and receive forgiveness, but actions still have consequences. You can regret doing the crime and even receive forgiveness from the victims–but you still have to serve your sentence. Williams isn’t good for the game, and the game doesn’t seem to bring out the best in Williams. It’s time they parted ways.

  66. musicman495 says: Apr 7, 2012 4:46 PM

    markpackman says: Apr 7, 2012 2:34 PM

    This speaks more highly of Kurt Warner than is does of Williams.
    —————————-
    It also speaks more highly of Kurt Warner than most of the geniuses making these comments, too. But since most people think Williams and the Saints – to say nothing of their fans – should be executed by lethal injection, I do not expect Kurt Warner’s words to have any impact on anyone.

  67. seanx40 says: Apr 7, 2012 4:47 PM

    I think Kurt Warner is a better, and more forgiving man that I will ever be.

    I thought the same until the tape came out. That maybe in a few years, give him another chance. Not now. An example needs to be made. Williams is it.

  68. electionconfidential says: Apr 7, 2012 4:50 PM

    He GOT a second chance. He was told that the investigation was reopened. The guy is incorrigible and the product he turns out is injured players. Kurt Warner can say what he likes. He’s retired. It’s the active players that need to be shielded from Greg Williams.

  69. randygnyc says: Apr 7, 2012 4:53 PM

    The difference between the dog killers, murderers, rapists and drug dealers and Williams? Williams crimes were on the football field

    (and no, I’m not defending the other crimes. They should also be banned for life). Playing football is an honor and a priveledge.

  70. paperlions says: Apr 7, 2012 4:58 PM

    Williams already had a 2nd chance. The league warned them to stop the bounty system before last year…and Williams didn’t change anything. He’s had years to consider his behavior, to rethink his approach….in effect, he has already had 100s of chances to choose not to encourage his players to end the seasons or careers of opponents (including encouraging targeting repeat concussions), and he has repeatedly chosen to display a lack of humanity.

    He is all out of chances.

  71. briank1ne says: Apr 7, 2012 4:58 PM

    I say you make him play qb for the rams for just one play against the niners d. Then he can coach again. But he prob wont be able to get off the field as he will be stomped so bad that he turns into wine.

  72. Deb says: Apr 7, 2012 5:38 PM

    musicman495 says:
    —————————-
    It also speaks more highly of Kurt Warner than most of the geniuses making these comments, too. But since most people think Williams and the Saints – to say nothing of their fans – should be executed by lethal injection, I do not expect Kurt Warner’s words to have any impact on anyone.
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    You’re being hyperbolic, and it serves no useful purpose. I feel terrible for Saints fans, who are probably the biggest victims of their coaches’ appalling behavior. Other than a tragedy on the scale of Marshall, nothing is worse than having your championship questioned. Just ask Pats fans. But you should be blaming your coaches, not other fans.

    The history of pro football is littered with “assassins” and players taking out “bounties” on other teams. But your coaches made this an organized effort against the express orders of the team owner at a time when the NFL was cracking down on head hits. They funded the effort with money from an outside felon, cheating the salary cap. They were stupid enough to let themselves be filmed making speeches urging players to cross the line from hard defensive play to barbarity that could destroy the livelihoods of fellow union members. Since his suspension, Sean Payton has turned the whole thing into a joke, cavorting on stage at a “Free Sean Payton” rally. Yeah, free Sean Payton while his players are looking at suspension, IRS investigations, and possible criminal charges.

    Stop blaming the league and other fans, and start blaming the jerks who thought they were too big to follow the rules, who disrespected your owner, and who’ve rained all this down on your heads.

  73. prmpft says: Apr 7, 2012 5:45 PM

    ..y’see folks – unlike all of the self-righteous SOBs laying down the verdicts – KURT WARNER is actually RIGHTEOUS – for any of (the few of) you who actually played the game – even the audio was not that far off of what we heard (minus the profanity) from MS-HS-College football…those who say different are simply LIARS!

  74. jason1980 says: Apr 7, 2012 5:50 PM

    The vile vitriol that we read day in and day out is not about Gregg Williams returning to football. These posters could really care less. This hatred is about the Saints being the darling of the NFL, and loser fan bases hate the Saints, because they are a smash mouth kick-a$$ team. It’s ALL about envy. Get over it, and deal with it.

  75. anythingbutyanks says: Apr 7, 2012 6:17 PM

    Only one problem, Kurt…Williams was willing to ruin careers and maybe lives for the sake of a game, and a warning telling him to stop wasn’t enough to even remotely deter him. Williams deserves forgiveness if he’s truly sorry, but not a second chance.

  76. musicman495 says: Apr 7, 2012 6:26 PM

    Deb says: Apr 7, 2012 5:38 PM

    musicman495 says:
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    You’re being hyperbolic, and it serves no useful purpose.
    ————————-
    First of all, I am a Redskins fan, so this is not about “my” coaches. This is about my being old enough to have some perspective on the history of the game, which has included these types of “pools” and bombastic locker room speeches for 50 years or more – as has been verified by numerous retired players.

    If the bombast and pools resulted in a rash of injuries, fines and dirty play over 3 years – not a couple of questionable hits on a couple of players in a couple of games – I would say you were right. But they did not.

    Conspiracy to break the rules and lying to the Commissioner are wrong and should be punished. And if the league now wants to clean up its act in regards to these types of incentives and pools, fine. The Saints and their coaches are being punished. But this rush to judgement by the media and fans based on canned information spoon fed to us by the NFL about their secret investigation, and singling out one team for enforcement and punishment is also baloney. These suspensions are about Roger Goodell and the league playing CYA in court, not about the “integrity of the game.”

    As for being hyperbolic in saying the Saints should be “executed by lethal injection,” I exaggerated to make a point, but not by much. Perhaps I have read more racist and vile comments here about the victims of Katrina – including the dead ones – than you have.

  77. saintsly says: Apr 7, 2012 6:31 PM

    Before Gregg Williams was busted, there were teams out there that would have given their first born to have him as their DC. Thumbs up if you did and thumbs down if you didn’t. Dont lie cause if you do, your no better than Williams is now. Lets see how honest all you posters are……………….

  78. kevpft says: Apr 7, 2012 6:55 PM

    Williams HAS a second chance. Go coach in college. Go to the UFL, or CFL, or some other foreign league. He can keep coaching for the rest of his life and make a lot of money.

    No one has the right to be in the NFL. It’s a job, and if someone did the equivalent of this in another field, he’d be out the door too, if not in jail.

    This guy has made a career of this kind of violence, including with his own kids in their football leagues. He has psychological issues, if not psychiatric ones. He shouldn’t be allowed near the game, at a minimum, before years of tests and treatment.

  79. buffedwhiteman says: Apr 7, 2012 7:03 PM

    He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.”And Jesus said , Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.” Greg Williams deserves second chance.

  80. ramcountry says: Apr 7, 2012 7:29 PM

    @ whiteman

    Greg Williams doesn’t “deserve” anything. He is a really, really bad guy.

    Giving this guy another football team is like giving an arsonist a can of gas and a handful of matches.

  81. juststeel says: Apr 7, 2012 7:41 PM

    We are all human and make poor decision. It is a violent game, right?

  82. eugenesaxe says: Apr 7, 2012 7:49 PM

    Some people carry the nice-guy thing waaaaaay too far.

  83. peopletrains says: Apr 7, 2012 8:17 PM

    Second chances don’t have to manifest themselves in being the SAME chance. He blew his opportunity to coach in the NFL. If Kurt Warner’s church league or some Euro-league wants him, fine.

  84. saints4evah says: Apr 7, 2012 8:17 PM

    Williams is just another trash talking coach in the NFL who Goodell has decided to make an example of, along with my beloved Saints. There was TALK of taking people out, but never a single victim, because the Defense never took illegal, or vicious hits on anybody. It’s football. Locker Room bravado. Mike Tyson never ate anybody’s kids, and the Saints’ players never took cheap shots to anybody. This is a witch hunt. Sensationalistic BS to sub for journalistic integrity. And the Saints are STILL gonna kick ass on a Super Bowl run this year, because we have a DC who knows how to get guys to perform without all the theatrics that Williams had to use to motivate players. Who Dat!

  85. wrekognize says: Apr 7, 2012 8:21 PM

    We hung Pete Rose for what he did and he didn’t come close to Gregg Williams’ acts.

  86. sfsaintsfan says: Apr 7, 2012 8:26 PM

    Show me the illegal hits.

    Show me the bounties that were paid for illegal hits.

    Anything less than proof of illegal hits for paid bounties is nothing but words.

    Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me…….

    Gregg Williams is an idiot and deserves a years suspension.

    Sean Payton deserves some sort of penalty for failure to supervise, but one year is too much.

    How much is Goodell’s suspension going to be? He is “guilty” of the same thing Sean Payton is “guilty” of doing. Sean Payton failed to properly supervise his subordinate, Gregg Williams for taking part in a bounty program after he became aware of it. Roger Goodell failed to supervise his subordinate, Sean Payton for failing to stop the same “bounty” program.

    Anybody think that Roger Goodell is not Sean Payton’s “boss” out there is smoking something. Goodell suspended Payton and is the only one hearing Payton’s appeal. Who will suspend Roger Goodell and who will hear his appeal?

  87. redskinsrt says: Apr 7, 2012 8:52 PM

    In HS we were encouraged to hit em where they’re already hurt

  88. nofunleague says: Apr 7, 2012 8:59 PM

    It’s obvious Warner took too many blows to the head

  89. kodakinvegas says: Apr 7, 2012 9:01 PM

    Yes, this all blown out of proportion, BUT, the realit is players are accepting CASH, and several coaches and a GM admitted to it. Goodell has a job to do, protect the NFL with over 400 lawsuits floating around. Yes, Paphilon released a segment of audio, yes an Ex player is unhappy and feels let Dow but primarily because it was his team that info may hurt. Not him, nor his family but his buddies. Everybody gets all that.
    Gregg Williams or any of the Saints pliers are murderers or actual hit men. Neither is Goodell, but he’s got to do something to delay, retard or create preventative injury solutions. And certainly can’t let the let’s go kill em attitude persist and especially with cash rewards. So, what’s he do? He’s gotta start somewhere and he’s gotta be tough about it. It’s bad timing folks, and reverybodys listening, everybody’s talking and more is said the more it becomes disproportionate and out of control. Kill this one, hang that, suspend the other one, kill the whistle blower and boil the audio guy. Now, instead of a few hundred peopleits gone to thousands and millions of people. Millions of people, millions of dollars. And here comrs Uncle Sam next. I can guarantee it. Everybody’s head is turning. And everybody’s smelling money
    Writers, lawyers, teams, fans, stores, t shirts. It’s like an UN-Civil War out there. New Orleans sucks, ban Wiiliams, sue this one, appeal that one. I’ve got TWO WORDS——CHILL OUT!!—–
    Let it burn itself out. Ban or ban, who’s gonna hire Williams now? Paytons HOPING he will have a job after this. Roger the dodger is spinning like a top and everybody’s siding up. For what? The season starts in September. We just gotta chill and wait. It will all work itself out if everybody just CHILS OUT

  90. nofunleague says: Apr 7, 2012 9:05 PM

    Williams action could have caused injuries serious enough to prevent others from making a living. Let him rot with the rest of the Saints cheaters. He does not deserve a second chance or third chance or 4th chance. He knew every week what he was doing was wrong and those were all chances. As my British buddies would say, Piss off.

  91. Deb says: Apr 7, 2012 9:18 PM

    @musicman495 …

    I’ve read the racist garbage about Katrina victims and slammed the people posting it. I rooted for the Saints in SBXLIV, and was an admirer of Payton’s. As a Steelers fan, I’m certainly not jealous of the Saints’ success. And I haven’t been ripping Saints players because I know my NFL history and am sure players on every team, including mine, have planned at some point to knock an opponent out of the game.

    On most days, I despise Goodell because he spends more time creating the appearance of improving safety than actually improving safety. But I also called for James Harrison to be suspended last season after mouthing off about Goodell in Men’s Journal. We may not like Goodell’s approach, but chaos and anarchy aren’t the answer. The league is being sued over head injuries, and Goodell cannot ignore a coach instructing players to go for the head.

    Beyond that, these coaches also disrespected their owner, took money from a felon, cheated the salary cap, ignored repeated warnings to stop, let themselves be filmed breaking the rules, and in Payton’s case, have laughed off their punishment. You can say all teams have engaged in some kind of bounty operations at some point–I won’t argue. But the rest of this is a dirty business that you’ve conveniently ignored.

  92. spawn201 says: Apr 7, 2012 9:24 PM

    Sure he deserves a second chance. Just not in the NFL.

  93. annes22 says: Apr 7, 2012 10:00 PM

    Greg Williams does not deserve any 2nd chance.
    He was told, and thought he was bigger than the game. That video was disgraceful, and the whole Saints organization, should be ashamed of themselves.
    Give back the Super Bowl too, you bunch of cheats.

  94. ericn42000 says: Apr 7, 2012 10:19 PM

    Yea he DONT!!

  95. jaymidd says: Apr 7, 2012 10:54 PM

    Drzzt23 is an idiot! That said, while Kurt may have a point and his stance is admirable, Williams, unfortunately, is going to be made an example of…what he did was largely unprecented and good ‘ol roger’s going to make an example out of him. He’ll never coach again in the NFL. He can now take his talents to the UFL.

  96. Deb says: Apr 7, 2012 11:01 PM

    saintsly says:

    Before Gregg Williams was busted, there were teams out there that would have given their first born to have him as their DC. Thumbs up if you did and thumbs down if you didn’t. Dont lie cause if you do, your no better than Williams is now. Lets see how honest all you posters are……………….

    ————————————————
    Our defensive coordinator is Dick LeBeau, so obviously I don’t have DC envy for anyone. I do respect several other coordinators, but the Saints finished 24th in total defense last season. Gregg Williams never even flitted across my mind until this story broke. Payton’s one of the best in the league, but Williams? No.

  97. veetan says: Apr 7, 2012 11:01 PM

    Now there’s a true Christian. Thank you for the example, Mr. Warner.

  98. m2karateman says: Apr 7, 2012 11:21 PM

    Well, it’s nice that Kurt has his opinion. Same thing with Sapp, Carter and others.

    In the end, the only opinion that matters is that of Roger Goodell. With the release of the tape, I would find it unlikely that Williams ever be allowed to coach in the NFL again. He went well beyond motivational, and dove right into be the person who hires an assassin. Telling someone to play hard and hit hard is one thing, but telling the players to target specific players and their previously injured body parts is well beyond the realm of coaching. I rank him down there with Tanya Harding. If you can’t win through fair play, then win at any and all costs, no matter how evil.

  99. latenightroach says: Apr 7, 2012 11:47 PM

    I bet the Rams/Fisher paid Warner to say that.

  100. briang123 says: Apr 7, 2012 11:54 PM

    Enough of this good heartedness from Warner. We need to get back to the contest to see who could be the sickest and most outraged because Williams did something that has been going on since the first game of football was played. Again, I ask, when do we get to where someone says Williams needs to be charged with crimes against humanity and tried at The Hague?

  101. bigbadal21 says: Apr 7, 2012 11:59 PM

    To the poster who said his high school coach did the exact same thing as Williams: Your coach was wrong.

    To the posters who say that if Williams was black he would get a second chance: You are wrong and you are also a$$holes.

  102. jbcommonsense says: Apr 8, 2012 12:43 AM

    Warner is an example and a role model. Williams’ ban should be lifted after a year, if anybody will take him.

  103. xLith says: Apr 8, 2012 3:32 AM

    saintsly says:
    Apr 7, 2012 6:31 PM
    Before Gregg Williams was busted, there were teams out there that would have given their first born to have him as their DC. Thumbs up if you did and thumbs down if you didn’t. Dont lie cause if you do, your no better than Williams is now. Lets see how honest all you posters are……………….
    ——————————————–

    I’m plenty happy with Wade Phillips as the DC of my team. Thanks.

  104. ommnomnomcookies says: Apr 8, 2012 5:23 AM

    Sure, in about 10 years.

  105. j0esixpack says: Apr 8, 2012 7:16 AM

    Put him on the field and let every offensive player use him as a tackling dummy… THEN you can reinstate him!

  106. j0esixpack says: Apr 8, 2012 7:21 AM

    “Taped practices?”

    Um Kurt? You’ve been listening to Marshal Faulk too much, who didn’t get the memo that there never were any taped practices

    That was a myth… Much like your “dynasty” of one Super Bowl

    The Patriots were taping signal calls in games, just like every other team does today (which is why coordinators cover their mouths) – the Patriots just had their camera on the sidelines rather than in the stands as the NFL allows

    That’s not even close to attempted murder.

  107. savannahrose44 says: Apr 8, 2012 7:42 AM

    “I disagree, we all deserve a 2nd chance!”

    I disagree. William had his 2nd chance when they were told to knock it off the first time.

  108. savannahrose44 says: Apr 8, 2012 8:06 AM

    saints4evah says:
    Apr 7, 2012 8:17 PM
    Williams is just another trash talking coach in the NFL who Goodell has decided to make an example of, along with my beloved Saints. There was TALK of taking people out, but never a single victim, because the Defense never took illegal, or vicious hits on anybody. It’s football. Locker Room bravado. Mike Tyson never ate anybody’s kids, and the Saints’ players never took cheap shots to anybody. This is a witch hunt. Sensationalistic BS to sub for journalistic integrity. And the Saints are STILL gonna kick ass on a Super Bowl run this year, because we have a DC who knows how to get guys to perform without all the theatrics that Williams had to use to motivate players. Who Dat!

    If that were true…AND it’s not. Why then is there evidence on tape of Saints players crying out “Pay me my money” on the sidelines shortly after making a vicious hit on the other teams guy. Get real. They did it, you know it so stop defending the guilty.

  109. infectorman says: Apr 8, 2012 9:41 AM

    Deb says: Apr 7, 2012 2:57 PM

    Guys that have gone to prison and failed drug tests weren’t trying to injure other players. The comment about taping practices was just a Ram trying to get in a dig at the Patriots over something that was never proved. I hate the Pats, but you lost the game, Rams. Man up and get over it. The Pats were simply the better team that day.

    I think this is less about Warner preaching redemption than Warner making headlines as a broadcaster. It’s not the first time he’s made outrageous comments to get attention. My respect for the guy has ebbed daily since he left the field.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Well said Deb.

    To be honest, I can’t even sit through a Kurt Warner interview any more. Where they film him at his house as an NFL network “correspondent”.
    He spews drivel, he is a bore and brings nothing interesting to the table in his interviews.
    Its ALL fluff.
    NFL Network trying to accentuate a “good” guy as an alum, in contrast to all the “bad” guys alums with whom they have a perpetual PR nite mare with.

  110. axespray says: Apr 8, 2012 10:31 AM

    Warner’s class > viking fans that want gregg to be lethal injected.

  111. davidcl77 says: Apr 8, 2012 10:38 AM

    No one cares what this guy thinks. Now he wants to start talking. Just shut your mouth and stay retired. Prop your feet up and watch tv.

  112. dkhhuey says: Apr 9, 2012 11:23 AM

    Kurt Warner always has been and always will be a class act. He has no agenda, he is just a fantastic individual who truly is saying what he really believes in. I had the great pleasure to watch him play out here in Arizona and what he has done in this community is beyond awesome. He is incredibly humble and goes out of his way to do things for those not as fortunate as his family has been – all without self promotion. If the world had more people like Kurt running around – it would must certainly be a better place to live!

  113. gcounterman says: Apr 14, 2012 2:05 PM

    I understand the desire to say that the Vicks, and Simpsons et cetera, of the NFL are worse than Gregg Williams

    However, the fact is that those guys made bad decisions OUTSIDE of the NFL that could (and have) ultimately hurt themselves and their careers in the NFL. They were given 2nd chances in the NFL after making bad personal decisions.

    Gregg Williams made bad decisions IN the NFL that could (and did) hurt other people inside of the NFL and could have in impact on THEIR careers – not just his own. Based on this, I truly believe he does not deserve a second chance in the NFL.

    I admire Kurt’s integrity and faith in people, but ultimately I have to disagree with him.

  114. gcounterman says: Apr 14, 2012 2:09 PM

    On a side note – I’m kind of shocked Warner hasn’t retained a lawyer for a civil suit against the Saints, based on how he reacted to Spygate.

  115. rocliggins says: Apr 14, 2012 2:58 PM

    You guys need to stop slandering Ray Lewis. He was in the Limo at the time the hiding at the time the guy got stabbed. The Atlanta prosecutor admitted Lewis’s innocence. He put Lewis on trial for murder to force him to testify against his murdering buddies. It didn’t matter in the end because they had little evidence and the guy got off. What a shame!

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