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The Dolphins, Tannehill, and the eighth overall pick

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The Miami Dolphins haven’t had a franchise quarterback since 1999, the final year of Dan Marino’s Hall-of-Fame career.  Since then, they’ve invested five second-round picks in the quest to find one — via trades for A.J. Feeley and Daunte Culpepper, and by putting the names “John Beck” and “Chad Henne” and “Pat White” on their round two draft cards.

More recently, they’ve swung and missed on Peyton Manning.  And either they decided they didn’t want Matt Flynn, or Matt Flynn decided he didn’t want them.

But whether players with options will opt to go to Miami doesn’t matter on draft day — unless a player is willing to sit out an entire season and re-enter the draft the following year.

Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald explores the question of whether the Dolphins should use the eighth overall pick in the 2012 draft to acquire Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill, who played for new offensive coordinator Mike Sherman at College Station.  Salguero explores the question from the perspective of whether investing the No. 8 selection on Tannehill represents the kind of “overpaying” in which the Dolphins typically decline to engage when they have a chance to make the kind of big splash that owner Stephen Ross supposedly wants to make.

Of course, with the ongoing proliferation of the passing game placing an even greater premium on quarterbacks and with the top two in the 2012 draft pool already spoken for, someone could leapfrog the Dolphins at No. 8.

And so the bigger question isn’t whether the Dolphins will “overpay” by taking Tannehill with the eighth pick, but whether they’ll “overpay” by giving up even more to ensure that they’ll get him.

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74 Responses to “The Dolphins, Tannehill, and the eighth overall pick”
  1. rgiii2dc says: Apr 8, 2012 5:39 PM

    Matt Barkley. What’s one more year Fins fans? And if you trade up for Tannehill– your offseason may officially be the worst. Ever.

  2. yycfin says: Apr 8, 2012 5:41 PM

    Ireland will go for the safest player available trying in vain to keep his job!

  3. seatownballers says: Apr 8, 2012 5:42 PM

    Tannehill is a second round talent. He doesn’t answer the franchise qb void permanently, only temporarily

  4. chrismatthewsucks says: Apr 8, 2012 5:42 PM

    He doesnt want to go there, no one does.

  5. theguywhotoldtimtebowtoshutthefup says: Apr 8, 2012 5:43 PM

    Listening to anything Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald has to say makes this website lack credibility.

  6. randomguy9999 says: Apr 8, 2012 5:43 PM

    Part of the phins search needs to be drafting a QB every year…. history pretty much has proven that what round you get one in doesn’t seem to matter very much so why overpay?

    Just get who you get….

  7. indywilson40 says: Apr 8, 2012 5:44 PM

    Akili Tannehill will not be available at 8.

  8. brutus9448 says: Apr 8, 2012 5:45 PM

    don’t trade up. If he’s there at 8 take him. if not take a pass rusher or floyd and take a QB in the 2nd round

  9. harbaughshandshake says: Apr 8, 2012 5:46 PM

    Gabbert 2.0

  10. portlax12 says: Apr 8, 2012 5:46 PM

    If you can’t get this kid at the 8th pick just take someone else who is a safer bet. He is in no way worth trading up to get and its not like the Dolphins are going to win anything this year anyway so just wait until next year to get the franchise qb. Maybe take Floyd from ND to try and fill that void at WR.

  11. ibreathefootball says: Apr 8, 2012 5:49 PM

    Tannehill to Miami seems like a good fit, but no way does this guy have top 10 talent.

  12. qdog112 says: Apr 8, 2012 5:49 PM

    The search for the next Cam Newton has begun and Ryan Tannehill appears to be the prime example of the over-reach to find him. Someone said he’s second round at best, I say he may be a 2nd day pick.

    The kid is an athlete, but his limited time at QB makes him a high risk. There is noway he is the 3rd best QB out there. Russell Wilson holds that distinction and he is a worthy challenger to the top two, as far as QB skills.

    Every year the experts prove they don’t know very much about talent, especially QB talent. Tannehill is a project who may turnout to be a better runner than passer, when all is said and done.

  13. chawk12thman says: Apr 8, 2012 5:51 PM

    Miami might actually consider trading down and picking up a few more quality mid rounder types as opposed to trading up……Or…….trade down for an extra pick next year. That would give trading value next year when Barkley is going to be available.

  14. link49 says: Apr 8, 2012 5:51 PM

    Dolphins should get a partner trade like the Eagles( 15 pick) they are in need for a first class tackle and can get it at the 8th. pick, and then the Dolphins can pick up Tannenhill with the 15th. pick thought still is early to draft him because he is a second round material

  15. slammincamnewton says: Apr 8, 2012 5:52 PM

    Matt Moore era already began

  16. clbrett06 says: Apr 8, 2012 5:52 PM

    The Pittsburgh Pirates of Football

  17. cannonballdookie says: Apr 8, 2012 5:53 PM

    Take him if he’s there but don’t trade up for him, he’s worth one pick and it’s a stretch that he’s a ton ten pick, let alone giving up something else for him. Reaching for a need doesn’t work very often, and I think the Skins were justified in trading for RGIII because he’s a rare talent.

  18. 305phinphan says: Apr 8, 2012 6:00 PM

    Ryan Tannehill has huge upside. For playing most of his college carrer at WR then moving to QB and playing the way he did speaks wonders about the kids athletic ability. He will not be able to step in day 1 and take over the offense but a year sitting behind Moore and Garrard will do him wonders. I think taking Tannehill at 8 is not that big of a reach that most people make it out to be.

  19. duanethomas says: Apr 8, 2012 6:02 PM

    The Dolphins should take the best player and not overreach. A month ago he was battling to be the 3rd best QB in the draft. Now that all the QB teams have their guys, he is now top 10? Child Please.

  20. blacknole08 says: Apr 8, 2012 6:10 PM

    Any team that drafts Tannehill in the top 15 is reaching. Dolphins should get their QB next season.

  21. bchapman2011 says: Apr 8, 2012 6:13 PM

    Say what you want about Ireland but he stands his ground. There is no way he is going to reach for a player or overpay them. If Miami goes for this guy at 8 then he has a strong conviction that Tannehill will be a star. Only time will tell if he is right or wrong.

  22. tfaulk says: Apr 8, 2012 6:17 PM

    I’d rather “overpay” Weeden in the 3rd round than “overpay” for Tannehill at no. 8.

  23. 9erfan818 says: Apr 8, 2012 6:19 PM

    I’d rather go with Matt Moore instead of Tannehill who wasn’t even a full time QB until half way Through his college career… And if the team sucks , then next year Matt Barkley and Landry Jones are available and better qb prospects… I’m not a Miami fan by any stretch, but Matt Moore did lead the Dolphins to a decent finish last season… In that division is he really that far behind Fitzpatrick and Sanchez who got 55 million dollar contracts ?

  24. phinfan527 says: Apr 8, 2012 6:31 PM

    Guarantee they get it wrong. What have they given Phin fans and myself to cheer for since picking Marino almost 30 years ago?!! Even with Marino, they were clueless to give him any running game. I’ll stop bitching when the team starts producing.

  25. digitaldonnie says: Apr 8, 2012 6:38 PM

    Mike….sometimes I ask myself if the ppl who post on here actually watch football. This kid is an athlete, had a tremendous pro day, and of he had Blackmon or Kendell Wright in college he would hands down be #2 QB in this draft. I don’t think he will be there @ 8 for MIA. They need to trade up to 4 to get him.

    Sincerely
    Browns fans everywhere

  26. bchapman2011 says: Apr 8, 2012 6:46 PM

    I agree with Omar Kelly’s assesment that all fans wanting Miami to trade up to #3 is insane.

    Going by the numerical value of Miami’s picks they would have to give up their 1,2nd,3rd, and 4th pick to move up to the Vikings slot.
    That just wont happen.

  27. waltdawg says: Apr 8, 2012 6:53 PM

    The story should read, “The Dolphins, Tannehill, Marc Anthony, and the biggest joke in the NFL—

  28. exhibits5 says: Apr 8, 2012 6:57 PM

    the Cleveland browns will take tammihill with the 4th overall pick. in this years NFL draft.

  29. geniusesq says: Apr 8, 2012 7:02 PM

    It’s a reach, but they need a franchise QB. I think Tannenhill will become one. Take him if the’s there. But, don’t trade up.

  30. FinFan68 says: Apr 8, 2012 7:05 PM

    Tannehill has size and talent. No college QB had more passes dropped by receivers than he did. (not sure if it is lack of a “catchable” ball or poor receivers) He is deceptively mobile and has a good arm. If he has the brains to accurately read disguised coverages he could be very good for the Dolphins. If he is there at 8, I have no problem with him as the pick. He can sit behind Moore and work on improving where necessary. The Dolphins still need to address OL and a stud pass rusher also along with the void at WR left by the Marshall trade. They can easily get decent players with the picks they have this year.

  31. scyankee9999 says: Apr 8, 2012 7:24 PM

    They are going to have to reach! With Garrard signing a one year deal and Moores contract up after this year there is no way Miami goes into the next off season with no QB under contact. They will reach and groom him to start next year.

  32. kingpel says: Apr 8, 2012 7:41 PM

    Why do I feel like Tannehill is a strong prospect…until I hear the Dolphins may draft him. Now he has bust written all over.

  33. conormacleod says: Apr 8, 2012 7:44 PM

    Everybody seems to ignore the new rookie salary cap. “Reaching” for a potential franchise QB isn’t as big of a deal anymore. If you think Tannehill might be your guy, then you go get him. What, you want to plan on getting Barkley next year? If you’re a GM there might not be a next year.

  34. orthomarine says: Apr 8, 2012 7:45 PM

    Grow a pair and trade up to get Blackmon,then take Weeden, then grab OL, DE, LB, TE

  35. icdogg says: Apr 8, 2012 7:47 PM

    IMO they would be stupid not to draft Tannehill if he were still on the board.

  36. ramitbaby says: Apr 8, 2012 7:48 PM

    I wonder if anyone at Dolphin headquarters realizes their starting WR’s right now are Doug Bess and Brian Hartline.

  37. phinfan says: Apr 8, 2012 7:53 PM

    I’ve thought long and hard about this. I say: We have many holes to fill (safety, lb, and WR) especially WR!!! Why draft a qb in the first when we can get a Brandon Marshall v2 in Flyod to catch balls from Moore. Stack Moore with weapons… we can win that way too.

  38. nobby821 says: Apr 8, 2012 7:53 PM

    The Dolphins, Garrard, and the 1st overall pick in 2013

  39. lostsok says: Apr 8, 2012 8:08 PM

    The scary thing about Tannehill is his career yards per attempt. Luck and Kellen Moore were at 8.9 yards per attempt. RGIII was a 8.7. Every other decent QB was over 8.1.

    Tannehill was 7.0. Flat.

    Almost two yards per attempt less than the top QBs, or even the 2nd tier.

    Was this due to a combination of a short passing game in the A&M passing game plus receivers with limited YAC…or is it a Henne-esque tendency to dump easy, safe, short passess…often behind the line of scrimmage (where YAC only equals the 7.0)?

    I wish I knew. But if I were Miami (or Cleveland), I would be asking myself that question and spending the time it takes to answer it before I even considered Tannehill.

  40. 69finfan says: Apr 8, 2012 8:23 PM

    No, I don’t think anybody at Dolphin Headquarters realizes that Doug Bess is one of their starting WR’s because they don’t have anybody on the team by that name.

  41. geo1113 says: Apr 8, 2012 8:50 PM

    link49 says:
    Apr 8, 2012 5:51 PM
    Dolphins should get a partner trade like the Eagles( 15 pick) they are in need for a first class tackle and can get it at the 8th. pick, and then the Dolphins can pick up Tannenhill with the 15th. pick thought still is early to draft him because he is a second round material

    ————–

    Did you get the news that the Eagles signed Demetress Bell last week? They don’t need a tackle. The only reason I could see the Eagles trading up to #8 is to get Tannehill because they think he can become their QB of the future.

  42. joewilliesshnoz says: Apr 8, 2012 8:57 PM

    If he’s your guy, take him, if he ain’t, don’t

  43. promickey says: Apr 8, 2012 9:27 PM

    The possibility that the Dolphins go with Tannehill with their number eight pick or try to trade up to insure they get him is real because the Dolphins always seem to do something stupid! They created a huge whole in their offense by trading Brandon Marshall. They also could not protect the 12th rated passer in the NFL Matt Moore. The offensive line was rated 30th in the NFL. Why would they want to lose next season by drafting a guy who will hold a clip board for a year and may be another mistake like Chad Henne? The bottom line is they need a receiver big time and a tackle to protect Matt Moore on the right side. Selling season tickets should be a priority by winning next season. Not by doing something stupid like drafting Tannehill at number eight or trading up. However far be it for me to suggest that the Miami Dolphins will not continue to make stupid personnel moves.

  44. birddawgs42 says: Apr 8, 2012 9:44 PM

    Browns will not draft tannehill, dolphins would be crazy to trade up, I agree he may be good, but not that high for either team. See you at the top of the draft with up next year to fin fans…

  45. birddawgs42 says: Apr 8, 2012 9:45 PM

    *us

  46. haywoodjablomee says: Apr 8, 2012 10:01 PM

    Doesn’t matter, there’s no quality wide receivers to throw to.

  47. thefiesty1 says: Apr 8, 2012 10:02 PM

    The only reason they want him is because Sherman was his college coach. And, he was fired because he didn’t win enough games with Tannehill as QB. If anybody takes him in the first round they are wasting their pick, money and future.

  48. nremi85 says: Apr 8, 2012 10:39 PM

    I am a dolphins fan sence I was 5 , I live in new england well mass. And I here so much sh it. From every1 lol…it sucks, but I believe we got the best coaches we ever had on roster right now…..shula was great no doubt, but giving up 30 points a game aand leaving it all up to dan marino every game was another thing, we will do fine with tannehill but I much rather the best college qb this draft which is weeden, he’s mature and beat rg3 beat luck beat tannehill, beat all there stats…he’s the best I seen in a while watch the film, but I also like our qbs we got. Right now …..I would love to draft a receiver in the first rd. Or a pass rusher ….we need a receiver. More than n e thing right now …. moore is good and so is gerrard ….but we can get weeden in the 2nd rd….why waste a 1st rd pick on tann, not worth it in my opinion

  49. pizzon says: Apr 8, 2012 10:40 PM

    Kellen Moore

  50. pkrjones says: Apr 8, 2012 11:34 PM

    Wasting the #8 pick on a 2nd round QB doesn’t make this a smarter decision than you’ve attempted in the past. Trying building a talented team and THEN spend a 1st rounder on a true first round talent QB.

  51. omikeyboy says: Apr 9, 2012 12:04 AM

    Davone Bess is a Miami Dolphin receiver, not Doug.

    Secondly, there’s an awful lot of wannabe GM’s posting. The truth is nobody knows how Tannehill’s game with transfer into the pro game. If Sherman, Philbin, and Ireland want him, then it stands to reason they feel he will develop into a fine QB. Having his ex-coach is a huge advantage in making that determination. As was having Philbin with the Flynn situation.

    Not sure why everyone feels the need to hate on the Dolphins, but better times are coming. Every team has down cycles. Some longer then others. There are 31 other teams all trying to do the same things you are. It takes a lot of things to break your way to make the jump.

  52. bigbadal21 says: Apr 9, 2012 12:08 AM

    The Dolphins passed on Drew Brees for Culpepper. So whatever they do it will be wrong.

  53. hikohadon says: Apr 9, 2012 12:12 AM

    “Mike….sometimes I ask myself if the ppl who post on here actually watch football. This kid is an athlete, had a tremendous pro day, and of he had Blackmon or Kendell Wright in college he would hands down be #2 QB in this draft. I don’t think he will be there @ 8 for MIA. They need to trade up to 4 to get him.

    Sincerely
    Browns fans everywhere”
    _____________________

    Ah, a noble attempt to convince the Dolphins to trade up and get a guy that we don’t want.

    Sincerely,
    Browns fans everywhere

  54. psychonolfi says: Apr 9, 2012 1:42 AM

    Skip the reach and grab the pass-rushing stud. Get impact player on D. Moore deserves a shot. Besides, who are they chucking the ball to on this team? Next year draft Barkley or Jones. It’s the only choice they really have if they really want a productive team in the next 10 years. Don’t f*&& it up Ginger!

  55. latenightroach says: Apr 9, 2012 2:40 AM

    I have a hunch that Kellen Moore could be the next Drew Brees. I’d rather see the Dolphins draft him instead. I bet if he were 6-4 235 he’d go in the 1st round. And I’m not even a Boise fan.

  56. beej6 says: Apr 9, 2012 4:13 AM

    Ultimately if any player pans out – makes it in the NFL – where he was drafted is just so much fodder. Each team has to decide where the risk is in letting a QB slip to the next round. Every team would draft Tannehill but for the fact they already have their QB in mind, or they have more pressing needs at whatever pick you are debating.
    The Fins don’t need to take him at 8 – they did well enough with Matt Moore and have plenty of other needs. However if Tannehill pans out every team will be “damned” for not taking him earlier. Just the way it works – see Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, etc.

  57. raideralex99 says: Apr 9, 2012 5:37 AM

    Wow … with a drafting record like that Al Davis looked like a genius.

  58. aharris230 says: Apr 9, 2012 6:32 AM

    If the Dolphins wanted to add a QB just for the sake of adding one they would’ve given Flynn more money than Seattle gave him. If Philbin, Ireland, and Sherman think Tannehill is a franchise QB for the next ten years, they’ll draft him. They won’t draft Tannehill if they’re not comfortable with him just for the sake of drafting a quarterback.

  59. dolfan72 says: Apr 9, 2012 7:52 AM

    Jeff “FIRELAND” Ireland doesn’t want to leave the “WRONG IMPRESSION” as was stated in previous articles. Why would Ireland invest in a qb when he stretched and got David GARRARD!

    FIRE JEFF IRELAND! He and Stephen LOSS have turned this franchise into the CHICAGO CUBS OF THE NFL!

  60. xpensivewinos says: Apr 9, 2012 9:31 AM

    Well, we’re going to find out how confident Ireland is in terms of his long-term job security. If he takes Tannehill with the 8th pick (assuming of course he’s still available), then he’s feeling pretty good about things, because it seems unlikely that Tannehill sees the field in 2012 (barring injury to the two future Hall of Famers ahead of him on the depth chart).

    If Ireland chooses someone else who can step right in and start and leaves Tannehill there, you know he’s desperate and took someone who can help him save his job right now.

  61. timbo233 says: Apr 9, 2012 10:02 AM

    @ qdog112, finally someone with some sense. I couldn’t agree with you more!!

  62. timbo233 says: Apr 9, 2012 10:09 AM

    Russel Wilson all day!! If given the chance he will prove to be a diamond in the rough!

  63. gmen1987 says: Apr 9, 2012 10:21 AM

    rgiii2dc says:
    Apr 8, 2012 5:39 PM
    Matt Barkley. What’s one more year Fins fans? And if you trade up for Tannehill– your offseason may officially be the worst. Ever.

    ==================================
    Goobs,

    There is no guarrantee that the Dolphins will be in position to get Matt Barkley next year (unless you are Miss Cleo). And there is no guarrantee that Matt Barkley will be any good in the NFL. He’s not the most physically talented guy and many USC QBs are busts in the NFL,

  64. djbasx007 says: Apr 9, 2012 11:19 AM

    The dolphins will NOT be drafting tanehill at 8 if they even draft him at all.

  65. eazyduzit413 says: Apr 9, 2012 11:23 AM

    If a player pans out to be an all pro player then it doesn’t matter whether you draft him 1st or 248th. If a team evaluates Tannehill and feels that he can become a franchise qb then they need to do whatever it takes to be sure they get him. Similar to what the Redskins did when they traded for the #2 pick this year. They felt as though Luck and RGIII both were franchise QB’s so they made sure they’ll get one of them.

    The way I see it is while Tannihill only has 19 or 20 starts he was highly productive during that time. Had he chosen to stay one more year history would suggest that he would most likely improve on last seasons numbers and would be considered a sure fire first round pick in 2013 with Matt Barkley and Landry Jones. So some team is definitely going to draft this kid in the first round and which ever team does better hope they’re talent evaluators know what they’re doing.

  66. baddegg says: Apr 9, 2012 11:38 AM

    What is wrong with Matt Moore? Weren’t they winning with him at the end of last year? Why not go for another position and build with what you have?

  67. cincybert says: Apr 9, 2012 12:08 PM

    If Dennis Dixon was in this draft, he would probably be the #3 ranked QB, assuming he churn out an impressive pro day and wow experts with his atheleticism. He has a strong arm, can run but didn’t run a pro style in college and, though he was a good college player, he didn’t blow anyone away with his skills like RGIII or Luck. Tannehill is basically the same QB as Dixon. Except of course, that Tannehill is being talked about as a top 10 pick, while Dixon is a perennial back-up who is a free agent and available for nothing but a paycheck.

  68. gmen1987 says: Apr 9, 2012 12:51 PM

    cincybert says:
    Apr 9, 2012 12:08 PM
    If Dennis Dixon was in this draft, he would probably be the #3 ranked QB, assuming he churn out an impressive pro day and wow experts with his atheleticism. He has a strong arm, can run but didn’t run a pro style in college and, though he was a good college player, he didn’t blow anyone away with his skills like RGIII or Luck. Tannehill is basically the same QB as Dixon. Except of course, that Tannehill is being talked about as a top 10 pick, while Dixon is a perennial back-up who is a free agent and available for nothing but a paycheck.

    =================================
    Goobs, are you a Dennis Dixon fangirl? Dennis Dixon has done nothing in the NFL and is a career 3rd string QB.

  69. gmen1987 says: Apr 9, 2012 12:55 PM

    baddegg says:
    Apr 9, 2012 11:38 AM
    What is wrong with Matt Moore? Weren’t they winning with him at the end of last year? Why not go for another position and build with what you have?

    ==================================
    Goobs,

    Matt Moore just plain sucks. Matt Moore had lots of fangirls up in Carolina until he played and ended up reaking of major suckage.

  70. realdealsteel says: Apr 9, 2012 2:00 PM

    If you really want your franchise QB, tank the season like the Colts did. Then you’ll have Matt Barkley. Just come out the gate, lose your first 8 games and then that will lock up your 4-12 year.

  71. outerspace23 says: Apr 9, 2012 2:22 PM

    The kid has 2 years playing college ball.
    How is he even consider a top 10 pick?
    He’s a bust. Russlle Wilson shoul be consider a first rounder.

  72. 69finfan says: Apr 9, 2012 9:43 PM

    gmen1987

    You just plain suck

  73. nremi85 says: Apr 14, 2012 1:23 AM

    Hey atleast the dolphins r trying ……keep pickin qbs, this yr I hope its hall of fame weeden, watch that boy be nasty in the nfl

  74. nremi85 says: Apr 14, 2012 1:30 AM

    I hopr the browns take him (tann) at 4 and miami takes floyd at 8 and weeden in 2…what bla@kmon did with weeden floyd could do the same…if we trade up I hope its for blackmon n not a qb

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