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	<title>Comments on: Bengals trade Keith Rivers to Giants for fifth-round pick</title>
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		<title>By: johnnyb1976</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[johnnyb1976]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[joetoronto says:Apr 12, 2012 5:19 AM 

The change in scenery will do wonders for him, and anybody else who leaves that God awful team.


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Did your team make the playoffs? No they didnt just keep your mouth shut and keep watching the Bills or Argonauts or whatever sad football team you pull for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joetoronto says:Apr 12, 2012 5:19 AM </p>
<p>The change in scenery will do wonders for him, and anybody else who leaves that God awful team.</p>
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<p>Did your team make the playoffs? No they didnt just keep your mouth shut and keep watching the Bills or Argonauts or whatever sad football team you pull for.</p>
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		<title>By: hitdog042</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d be a little weary of a LB Mike Zimmer didn&#039;t want.  They could have kept him with a ton of money in cap space.   I wonder if the Bengals are not sold on the health of his wrist.  

That being said, I wish Rivers well.. he&#039;s a good dude.  And very bright, I must say.. he&#039;s really into business and the stock market.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be a little weary of a LB Mike Zimmer didn&#8217;t want.  They could have kept him with a ton of money in cap space.   I wonder if the Bengals are not sold on the health of his wrist.  </p>
<p>That being said, I wish Rivers well.. he&#8217;s a good dude.  And very bright, I must say.. he&#8217;s really into business and the stock market.</p>
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		<title>By: shaunypoo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What does it tell you if the Bengals didn&#039;t want him anymore?

He had potential but is too soft.  A fifth rounder is better than nothing.  Enjoy having him take up a spot on IR for most of the year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does it tell you if the Bengals didn&#8217;t want him anymore?</p>
<p>He had potential but is too soft.  A fifth rounder is better than nothing.  Enjoy having him take up a spot on IR for most of the year.</p>
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		<title>By: inthearex</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@somekat
Not wanting to be upstaged by Philly, the giants win super bowls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@somekat<br />
Not wanting to be upstaged by Philly, the giants win super bowls.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Keith Rivers can be attained for a 5th rounder, and Demeco Ryans for a 4th rounder...... 

then does it even make sense drafting Linebackers in the first 3 rounds of the draft? Teams should build in other areas and then when you are a couple pieces away go get yourself a linebacker via trade.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Keith Rivers can be attained for a 5th rounder, and Demeco Ryans for a 4th rounder&#8230;&#8230; </p>
<p>then does it even make sense drafting Linebackers in the first 3 rounds of the draft? Teams should build in other areas and then when you are a couple pieces away go get yourself a linebacker via trade.</p>
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		<title>By: joetoronto</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The change in scenery will do wonders for him, and anybody else who leaves that God awful team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The change in scenery will do wonders for him, and anybody else who leaves that God awful team.</p>
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		<title>By: cordellgc</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the only bad part of this trade for the Bengals, is that they could not get rid of that other bum usc linebacker on the team, they are both soft players. combined, 4games with10+ tackles, they run around and don&#039;t make plays... Smh, bums.. Taylor mays your next]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only bad part of this trade for the Bengals, is that they could not get rid of that other bum usc linebacker on the team, they are both soft players. combined, 4games with10+ tackles, they run around and don&#8217;t make plays&#8230; Smh, bums.. Taylor mays your next</p>
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		<title>By: nopepper123</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 05:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Always interesting when a team is willing to trade a 1st rounder a few years out for a 5th round pick and the receiving team thinks they have just gotten themselves a great opportunity.  Do you really think the Bengals would simply give this guy away (like OchoCinco for the same 5th rounder) unless they knew he was either still hurt or know he&#039;s done?  No 5th rounder in the world is worth that type of embarrassment.  Look out Kevin Huber.......Bengals just got a pick for your backup......that&#039;s about what Keith Rivers is worth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always interesting when a team is willing to trade a 1st rounder a few years out for a 5th round pick and the receiving team thinks they have just gotten themselves a great opportunity.  Do you really think the Bengals would simply give this guy away (like OchoCinco for the same 5th rounder) unless they knew he was either still hurt or know he&#8217;s done?  No 5th rounder in the world is worth that type of embarrassment.  Look out Kevin Huber&#8230;&#8230;.Bengals just got a pick for your backup&#8230;&#8230;that&#8217;s about what Keith Rivers is worth.</p>
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		<title>By: ajpurp</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 02:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To the man who said Reese is kicking himself over Ryan&#039;s: (a) his contract would never fit with the giants do Reese wasn&#039;t even going to attempt it, whether he knew Or not about the 4th rounder and ;(b) Ryan&#039;s Achilles injury is much harder to come back from in the NFL, both players have injury concerns, but Achilles injuries end ten times more careers than wrist injuries. No doubt at all who the better player is, but the giants don&#039;t have much risk at all involved which if u look at all our contracts outside Eli, you&#039;ll see is true of everyone on the team. Ryans could be amazing, Rivers could be solid and has less risk. Ryans has bigger risk with an Achilles and his contract, as that is often a career killer. So both got good value, and no one on either team is kicking themselves over either of the other teams trades. Only thing worth kicking oneself over is the Eagles draft choices compared to the giants. So get real.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the man who said Reese is kicking himself over Ryan&#8217;s: (a) his contract would never fit with the giants do Reese wasn&#8217;t even going to attempt it, whether he knew Or not about the 4th rounder and ;(b) Ryan&#8217;s Achilles injury is much harder to come back from in the NFL, both players have injury concerns, but Achilles injuries end ten times more careers than wrist injuries. No doubt at all who the better player is, but the giants don&#8217;t have much risk at all involved which if u look at all our contracts outside Eli, you&#8217;ll see is true of everyone on the team. Ryans could be amazing, Rivers could be solid and has less risk. Ryans has bigger risk with an Achilles and his contract, as that is often a career killer. So both got good value, and no one on either team is kicking themselves over either of the other teams trades. Only thing worth kicking oneself over is the Eagles draft choices compared to the giants. So get real.</p>
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		<title>By: iknowurider72</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who is running the Bengals these days?  Anyone remember the last time they traded a high pick for another draft choice?  Given Mike Browns history this scares me, but i am excited to see them making changes.  Its something, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is running the Bengals these days?  Anyone remember the last time they traded a high pick for another draft choice?  Given Mike Browns history this scares me, but i am excited to see them making changes.  Its something, right?</p>
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		<title>By: voyager6</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rivers was out all last year for a non-football related injury. He badly broke a bone in his wrist, the one that often does not heal well. Cincy media have speculated the injury may be degenerative and Rivers might not ever play again. 

So I can see the fifth round pick, just to get rid of him for getting hurt during off season (reason for the injury wasn&#039;t ever revealed); especially if it only takes a tap on it to fracture again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rivers was out all last year for a non-football related injury. He badly broke a bone in his wrist, the one that often does not heal well. Cincy media have speculated the injury may be degenerative and Rivers might not ever play again. </p>
<p>So I can see the fifth round pick, just to get rid of him for getting hurt during off season (reason for the injury wasn&#8217;t ever revealed); especially if it only takes a tap on it to fracture again.</p>
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		<title>By: cougarquest</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cougarquest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Rivers can remain healthy all season, he will still only play half the snaps. In &#039;09 he played 480, while his 3rd down &quot;replacement&quot; played 563. In &#039;10 he played 512 snaps, while his 3rd down &quot;replacement&quot; played 507. In 2011, he had a mystery off-season wrist injury that kept him out all year. All that for over $2.3M and a 5th rounder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Rivers can remain healthy all season, he will still only play half the snaps. In &#8217;09 he played 480, while his 3rd down &#8220;replacement&#8221; played 563. In &#8217;10 he played 512 snaps, while his 3rd down &#8220;replacement&#8221; played 507. In 2011, he had a mystery off-season wrist injury that kept him out all year. All that for over $2.3M and a 5th rounder.</p>
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		<title>By: east96st</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[east96st]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;haven’t done a very good job vs the Eagles in particular. 1-5 against the Eagles the past 3 years isnt “pretty good”. but keep telling yourselves that.&quot;

0-46 is absolutely, mind boggling, horrific for the one game that really matters. But if you think regular season records against one opponent is worth bragging about, well, you keep telling yourself that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;haven’t done a very good job vs the Eagles in particular. 1-5 against the Eagles the past 3 years isnt “pretty good”. but keep telling yourselves that.&#8221;</p>
<p>0-46 is absolutely, mind boggling, horrific for the one game that really matters. But if you think regular season records against one opponent is worth bragging about, well, you keep telling yourself that.</p>
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		<title>By: dave56dj</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As many said while fans wanna compare demeco to Rivers it&#039;s not Reese&#039;s concern one bit, but as fans in the offseason sure lets discuss.
Ryan&#039;s is the more established player - has had some injuries too but has shown he can be a standout MLB in a 4-3 therefore a bit expendable in Phillips 3-4. They swap 3s - not bad- and give a 4th do a guy who will see a heavy pitch count- very nice value for eagles- one negative he has a large contract- now If he produces like he did in the texans 4-3 then alls good but his contract makes it harder to sign other players whih may not be a problem if true eagles gel with a full offseason.

Giants trade a 5th pick which has some value but curtailing not a ton for a player who played nicely when on the field- which was extremely rare and pay about 2.1 and then rivers is voidable so what do th gmen get - a helluva motivated player- see Martellus Bennett. If he fails  bye bye- and while a 5th could work out two 4ths mean the giants have extra picks not a lot of roster spot and there cap is very tight and they didn&#039;t lock into
Anything knowing jpp Cruz Hakeem and more will come asking soon

Nice trade eagles nice trade giants 
For bengals he was a goner do at least you got something]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As many said while fans wanna compare demeco to Rivers it&#8217;s not Reese&#8217;s concern one bit, but as fans in the offseason sure lets discuss.<br />
Ryan&#8217;s is the more established player &#8211; has had some injuries too but has shown he can be a standout MLB in a 4-3 therefore a bit expendable in Phillips 3-4. They swap 3s &#8211; not bad- and give a 4th do a guy who will see a heavy pitch count- very nice value for eagles- one negative he has a large contract- now If he produces like he did in the texans 4-3 then alls good but his contract makes it harder to sign other players whih may not be a problem if true eagles gel with a full offseason.</p>
<p>Giants trade a 5th pick which has some value but curtailing not a ton for a player who played nicely when on the field- which was extremely rare and pay about 2.1 and then rivers is voidable so what do th gmen get &#8211; a helluva motivated player- see Martellus Bennett. If he fails  bye bye- and while a 5th could work out two 4ths mean the giants have extra picks not a lot of roster spot and there cap is very tight and they didn&#8217;t lock into<br />
Anything knowing jpp Cruz Hakeem and more will come asking soon</p>
<p>Nice trade eagles nice trade giants<br />
For bengals he was a goner do at least you got something</p>
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		<title>By: thebigcaptain2011</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[phillychzstk2012 says: &quot;haven’t done a very good job vs the Eagles in particular. 1-5 against the Eagles the past 3 years isnt “pretty good”. but keep telling yourselves that.&quot;

-That&#039;s funny. The Giants were also 0-2 versus Washington last year. Let&#039;s see....the G-Men win the Superbowl and the &#039;Skins are praying they can keep RG3 upright. You franchise QB is out of the NFL. Your free-agent pickup QB can&#039;t stay healthy and your free agent CB can&#039;t fit your system. Once again, noone is worried about a team that doesn&#039;t win anything. The Steelers lose to the Browns and Bengals sometimes, but at the end of the day, their concerns are the Ravens, Pats, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>phillychzstk2012 says: &#8220;haven’t done a very good job vs the Eagles in particular. 1-5 against the Eagles the past 3 years isnt “pretty good”. but keep telling yourselves that.&#8221;</p>
<p>-That&#8217;s funny. The Giants were also 0-2 versus Washington last year. Let&#8217;s see&#8230;.the G-Men win the Superbowl and the &#8216;Skins are praying they can keep RG3 upright. You franchise QB is out of the NFL. Your free-agent pickup QB can&#8217;t stay healthy and your free agent CB can&#8217;t fit your system. Once again, noone is worried about a team that doesn&#8217;t win anything. The Steelers lose to the Browns and Bengals sometimes, but at the end of the day, their concerns are the Ravens, Pats, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: tezz123</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think Demeco Ryans was even on the Giants radar since they couldn&#039;t afford his salary cap hit and long-term commitment. Both trades are nice moves given the situation.

Its a one year deal where Rivers would be playing for his payday. Rivers could yield a higher compensation pick in the future if he plays well since the Giants dont like investing too much in LBs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Demeco Ryans was even on the Giants radar since they couldn&#8217;t afford his salary cap hit and long-term commitment. Both trades are nice moves given the situation.</p>
<p>Its a one year deal where Rivers would be playing for his payday. Rivers could yield a higher compensation pick in the future if he plays well since the Giants dont like investing too much in LBs.</p>
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		<title>By: rexryanschoolofpodiatry</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love how Giants fans think Keith Rivers is gonna come in and solve any problems they have at LB. He clearly isn&#039;t very good along with being injury prone...Im sure he&#039;ll be relegated to special teams by the end of training camp...if he can make it that far.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how Giants fans think Keith Rivers is gonna come in and solve any problems they have at LB. He clearly isn&#8217;t very good along with being injury prone&#8230;Im sure he&#8217;ll be relegated to special teams by the end of training camp&#8230;if he can make it that far.</p>
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		<title>By: geo1113</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[themage78 says: 
Apr 11, 2012 4:25 PM

But Ryans might be moving to a new position which might impact his play. 

Giants lost a 5th while Eagles lost a 4th and had to swap 3rd rounders. There is still a lot of talent in 3rd round. That could be huge.

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What are you talking about?  He is a MLB and will be playiong MLB.  The reason he was avaiable is he didn&#039;t fit the 3-4 scheme.

The reason Ryans cost more is because he is better football player.  Regarding draft picks, your reasoning here is really a stretch.  And by the time, one gets to the 76th pick (the 3rd rounder the Eagles gave up), the draft is a huge crap shoot.  And the best player from those 3rd round positions i the last few years is Lardarius Webb who was selcted with the 88th pick (the pick the Eagles received from the Texans).

In other words, your attempt at saying the Giants got a better deal with Rivers than the Eagles with Ryans misses the mark.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>themage78 says:<br />
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<p>But Ryans might be moving to a new position which might impact his play. </p>
<p>Giants lost a 5th while Eagles lost a 4th and had to swap 3rd rounders. There is still a lot of talent in 3rd round. That could be huge.</p>
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<p>What are you talking about?  He is a MLB and will be playiong MLB.  The reason he was avaiable is he didn&#8217;t fit the 3-4 scheme.</p>
<p>The reason Ryans cost more is because he is better football player.  Regarding draft picks, your reasoning here is really a stretch.  And by the time, one gets to the 76th pick (the 3rd rounder the Eagles gave up), the draft is a huge crap shoot.  And the best player from those 3rd round positions i the last few years is Lardarius Webb who was selcted with the 88th pick (the pick the Eagles received from the Texans).</p>
<p>In other words, your attempt at saying the Giants got a better deal with Rivers than the Eagles with Ryans misses the mark.</p>
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		<title>By: youdownwithjpp</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[somekat says:
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Not wanting to be upstaged by philly, the giants land a LB half as good, with twice the injury concerns
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That&#039;s the issue with Philly, there&#039;s always a notion of having to go out and make a splash. 

So much so that you&#039;re now incorporating that mentality into the Giants decision making, which is a completely misleading opinion. 

I highly doubt Mr. Reese or the Giants FO care what the perennial under achievers of the NFL think about their business practices. 

NYG: 4 Rings
PHI : Maybe one day??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>somekat says:<br />
Apr 11, 2012 3:20 PM<br />
Not wanting to be upstaged by philly, the giants land a LB half as good, with twice the injury concerns<br />
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<p>That&#8217;s the issue with Philly, there&#8217;s always a notion of having to go out and make a splash. </p>
<p>So much so that you&#8217;re now incorporating that mentality into the Giants decision making, which is a completely misleading opinion. </p>
<p>I highly doubt Mr. Reese or the Giants FO care what the perennial under achievers of the NFL think about their business practices. </p>
<p>NYG: 4 Rings<br />
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		<title>By: rcampore</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[phillychzstk2012 says: Apr 11, 2012 4:41 PM

birdzflyinhigh says: Apr 11, 2012 3:28 PM

You know Jerry Reese is kicking himself knowing that he could’ve had Demeco Ryans for a 4th, and even more mad that he went to the rival Eagles. If improving their LB situation predraft was in their plans, you know he’s got to be pissed he missed out on the much better Ryans. Although both players have injury concerns, at least Ryans has a resume of success.

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I’m pretty sure Reese doesn’t concern himself with what the Eagles pick up. I think if memory serves me, Reese’s team has done a pretty good job the last few years.

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haven’t done a very good job vs the Eagles in particular. 1-5 against the Eagles the past 3 years isnt “pretty good”. but keep telling yourselves that.

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HAHA.....AS USUAL, an Eagles fan hanging their hat on a regular season record.  Too bad their are no trophies for that.   I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ll take a 1-5 record against the Eagles in the regular season for 2 superbowl championships every day of the damn week.  Losers always accept mediocrity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>phillychzstk2012 says: Apr 11, 2012 4:41 PM</p>
<p>birdzflyinhigh says: Apr 11, 2012 3:28 PM</p>
<p>You know Jerry Reese is kicking himself knowing that he could’ve had Demeco Ryans for a 4th, and even more mad that he went to the rival Eagles. If improving their LB situation predraft was in their plans, you know he’s got to be pissed he missed out on the much better Ryans. Although both players have injury concerns, at least Ryans has a resume of success.</p>
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I’m pretty sure Reese doesn’t concern himself with what the Eagles pick up. I think if memory serves me, Reese’s team has done a pretty good job the last few years.</p>
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<p>haven’t done a very good job vs the Eagles in particular. 1-5 against the Eagles the past 3 years isnt “pretty good”. but keep telling yourselves that.</p>
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HAHA&#8230;..AS USUAL, an Eagles fan hanging their hat on a regular season record.  Too bad their are no trophies for that.   I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ll take a 1-5 record against the Eagles in the regular season for 2 superbowl championships every day of the damn week.  Losers always accept mediocrity.</p>
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		<title>By: johnnyb1976</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[scrap7681 says:Apr 11, 2012 4:13 PM 

Great pickup for NY, nobody can say this was a bad deal just like the Eagles deal, they both practically gave up nothing for starters. If they can both stay healthy, which they probably will, they both got LBs for the next few yrs. *Now one of them do get hurt maybe they can try and pick up jenniferXXXL big a** and see she it can play LB because she knows so much about football!

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Too funny. Maybe the NFL network will hire her to replace Sapp.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scrap7681 says:Apr 11, 2012 4:13 PM </p>
<p>Great pickup for NY, nobody can say this was a bad deal just like the Eagles deal, they both practically gave up nothing for starters. If they can both stay healthy, which they probably will, they both got LBs for the next few yrs. *Now one of them do get hurt maybe they can try and pick up jenniferXXXL big a** and see she it can play LB because she knows so much about football!</p>
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<p>Too funny. Maybe the NFL network will hire her to replace Sapp.</p>
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		<title>By: deathtoromo</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought he was in the Canadian Football League.]]></description>
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		<title>By: zaggs</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;but he missed 13 games in his first three seasons with various injuries&quot;

Except weren&#039;t 9 of those were from the Hines cheap shot.
Good trade, this year the Giants have 2 4&#039;s so they&#039;re not really losing anything as the pick they gave up was basically a 6th round pick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but he missed 13 games in his first three seasons with various injuries&#8221;</p>
<p>Except weren&#8217;t 9 of those were from the Hines cheap shot.<br />
Good trade, this year the Giants have 2 4&#8242;s so they&#8217;re not really losing anything as the pick they gave up was basically a 6th round pick.</p>
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		<title>By: phillychzstk2012</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[birdzflyinhigh says: Apr 11, 2012 3:28 PM

You know Jerry Reese is kicking himself knowing that he could’ve had Demeco Ryans for a 4th, and even more mad that he went to the rival Eagles. If improving their LB situation predraft was in their plans, you know he’s got to be pissed he missed out on the much better Ryans. Although both players have injury concerns, at least Ryans has a resume of success.

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I’m pretty sure Reese doesn’t concern himself with what the Eagles pick up. I think if memory serves me, Reese’s team has done a pretty good job the last few years.

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haven&#039;t done a very good job vs the Eagles in particular. 1-5 against the Eagles the past 3 years isnt &quot;pretty good&quot;. but keep telling yourselves that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>birdzflyinhigh says: Apr 11, 2012 3:28 PM</p>
<p>You know Jerry Reese is kicking himself knowing that he could’ve had Demeco Ryans for a 4th, and even more mad that he went to the rival Eagles. If improving their LB situation predraft was in their plans, you know he’s got to be pissed he missed out on the much better Ryans. Although both players have injury concerns, at least Ryans has a resume of success.</p>
<p>_____________________________________<br />
I’m pretty sure Reese doesn’t concern himself with what the Eagles pick up. I think if memory serves me, Reese’s team has done a pretty good job the last few years.</p>
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<p>haven&#8217;t done a very good job vs the Eagles in particular. 1-5 against the Eagles the past 3 years isnt &#8220;pretty good&#8221;. but keep telling yourselves that.</p>
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		<title>By: mianfr</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Linebackers are so cheap these days... I&#039;d give up a 4th and 5th for DeMeco Ryans and Keith Rivers every day of the week.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linebackers are so cheap these days&#8230; I&#8217;d give up a 4th and 5th for DeMeco Ryans and Keith Rivers every day of the week.</p>
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		<title>By: east96st</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;but I can say that this guy plays SO, SO soft. Even when he was healthy he would disappear for and entire month of the season then make a tackle and you’d think..wow, where has he been.&quot;

Marvin Lewis had to put up with that because you guys used a number one on him. He pulls that with Coughlin and he&#039;ll be cut before he can say &quot;Sorry, coach.&quot;.  That was the worse part of how much money the top ten rookies used to make. They got job security they didn&#039;t deserve. Keith&#039;s coming to whole new world. Plus, seeing how it&#039;s his contract year, I&#039;m assuming his agent has explained to him his performance will directly reflect the size of his next contract or if he even gets one at all. If not, Mr. Reese will be happy to explain that to him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but I can say that this guy plays SO, SO soft. Even when he was healthy he would disappear for and entire month of the season then make a tackle and you’d think..wow, where has he been.&#8221;</p>
<p>Marvin Lewis had to put up with that because you guys used a number one on him. He pulls that with Coughlin and he&#8217;ll be cut before he can say &#8220;Sorry, coach.&#8221;.  That was the worse part of how much money the top ten rookies used to make. They got job security they didn&#8217;t deserve. Keith&#8217;s coming to whole new world. Plus, seeing how it&#8217;s his contract year, I&#8217;m assuming his agent has explained to him his performance will directly reflect the size of his next contract or if he even gets one at all. If not, Mr. Reese will be happy to explain that to him.</p>
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		<title>By: itsmebobd</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not worth it. As a bengals fan, I would much rather have the depth than a 5th round pick who likely won&#039;t even make the team. I remember a few years ago we had Robert Geathers playing LB due to all the injuries...... Good trade for the giants, low risk, high reward. Anything less than a 3rd round pick isn&#039;t worth it in my book. Good job Giants, you got a huge upside and lost almost nothing!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not worth it. As a bengals fan, I would much rather have the depth than a 5th round pick who likely won&#8217;t even make the team. I remember a few years ago we had Robert Geathers playing LB due to all the injuries&#8230;&#8230; Good trade for the giants, low risk, high reward. Anything less than a 3rd round pick isn&#8217;t worth it in my book. Good job Giants, you got a huge upside and lost almost nothing!</p>
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		<title>By: themage78</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Demeco Ryans missed an entire season with an Achilles injury and played all last season with a screwed up elbow. 

Both were pretty good LBs when they were healthy. But Ryans might be moving to a new position which might impact his play. Rivers will probably start in the same position he knows. 

Giants lost a 5th while Eagles lost a 4th and had to swap 3rd rounders. There is still a lot of talent in 3rd round. That could be huge.

Any 5th rounder you pickup you expect them to be a project or never make the team. Good to get a former first-rounder for a 5th round pick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Demeco Ryans missed an entire season with an Achilles injury and played all last season with a screwed up elbow. </p>
<p>Both were pretty good LBs when they were healthy. But Ryans might be moving to a new position which might impact his play. Rivers will probably start in the same position he knows. </p>
<p>Giants lost a 5th while Eagles lost a 4th and had to swap 3rd rounders. There is still a lot of talent in 3rd round. That could be huge.</p>
<p>Any 5th rounder you pickup you expect them to be a project or never make the team. Good to get a former first-rounder for a 5th round pick.</p>
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		<title>By: tcostant</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the move, I just hope they offered London Flecter whatver Rivers makes ($2-3M) and got turned down before this move.]]></description>
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		<title>By: thebigcaptain2011</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Solid pick up. Adressed a need with a low round pick, and if it doesn&#039;t work out you hope that one of those guys drafted last season can contribute.
@somekat:
No one is worried about being upstaged by a team that hasn&#039;t won anything since my grandfather&#039;s heyday. To tell you the truth, as Giants fans the last team we worry about in the NFL is the Iggles. Win something then we may worry about what your team does.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solid pick up. Adressed a need with a low round pick, and if it doesn&#8217;t work out you hope that one of those guys drafted last season can contribute.<br />
@somekat:<br />
No one is worried about being upstaged by a team that hasn&#8217;t won anything since my grandfather&#8217;s heyday. To tell you the truth, as Giants fans the last team we worry about in the NFL is the Iggles. Win something then we may worry about what your team does.</p>
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