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No progress between Brees, Saints

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With the Saints launching their offseason program on Monday, quarterback Drew Brees continues to have no contract.  And while Brees said, twice, on Tuesday that Brees and the Saints are “continuing to work on a long-term deal,” a source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that no progress is being made.

Brees deftly avoided the question of whether he’ll sign his one-year franchise tender and report for offseason workouts on Monday.  Without a contract, he can’t participate.  Without a long-term deal, he won’t have a contract unless he signs the franchise tender.

With coach Sean Payton’s suspension starting on Monday, it’s more important than ever that Brees be involved in the offseason program.  To date, that extra leverage hasn’t prompted the Saints to increase their offer to the range that Brees would find acceptable.

Though a breakthrough remains possible, the fact that the situation has gotten to this point suggests that the impasse will continue, to the ongoing consternation of Saints fans.

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  1. seanmmartin says: Apr 11, 2012 6:04 PM

    Brees to the Colts!

  2. goodolebaghead says: Apr 11, 2012 6:04 PM

    crap, thought we might make it a day without negative Saints news. :(

  3. steelerhypocrite says: Apr 11, 2012 6:07 PM

    Bree’s will sign when he gets an explanation from Goodell…

  4. mistersmith22 says: Apr 11, 2012 6:07 PM

    Trolling, but still:

    So he knows the Saints need him, but he won’t sign for the tender, so he’s forcing them into a huge deal for a huge pile of money when he’s already got plenty. At what point is he considered to be extorting the money from the Saints?

  5. Pets to Go says: Apr 11, 2012 6:09 PM

    Now way, good! I hope they sign him long-term. I liked the Saints until The News broke. This way, I can grow to hate them, which should be fun!

  6. mvp43 says: Apr 11, 2012 6:11 PM

    I used to like Brees, but after last years labor issue and all of his comments on the bounty system I no longer do. He must have short man’s disease.

  7. westwarrior2014 says: Apr 11, 2012 6:16 PM

    As a Packers fan it makes me laugh at the site of each day getting worse and worse for the AINTS! GO PACK GO!!!!

  8. stairwayto7 says: Apr 11, 2012 6:18 PM

    Brees bolts from Saints to the Jets and the Aints with bags on their heads will be back!

  9. ProDolphinsTalk says: Apr 11, 2012 6:19 PM

    Give them credit, the Dolphins tried as hard as they could but the ‘Worst Offseason’ Prize goes out to the Saints. Time to get the paper bags back out if Brees isn’t on the field in 2012.

  10. skoobyfl says: Apr 11, 2012 6:21 PM

    A man on the move.

  11. bodybagx says: Apr 11, 2012 6:22 PM

    “the fact that the situation has gotten to this point suggests that the impasse will continue”

    Yes, the fact that the situation is unresloved seems to support your assertion that it also hasn’t been resolved yet. At least until it gets resolved. But not a moment sooner!

    I think we’re on the same page, Florio.

  12. txxxchief says: Apr 11, 2012 6:26 PM

    Brees will be traded to someone. The Saints are in a state of decline and they need to reload with younger talent. The bounty situation will take them out of contention this year and probably next as well. Drew is an aging talent and will wind up with a QB-needy team by training camp. You heard it here first.

  13. nflovercollegefb says: Apr 11, 2012 6:28 PM

    Pay the man!

    Brees grossly outplayed the 6 Year #60 Million contract he signed in 2006 without any drama or holdouts. The Saints need to step up!

  14. bearsstillsuck says: Apr 11, 2012 6:28 PM

    What a douche. Now he’s going to kick the saints while they’re down to get more money just like he kicks teams while they’re down to increase his stats. Pathetic.

  15. stanklepoot says: Apr 11, 2012 6:29 PM

    mistersmith22 says: Apr 11, 2012 6:07 PM

    Trolling, but still:

    So he knows the Saints need him, but he won’t sign for the tender, so he’s forcing them into a huge deal for a huge pile of money when he’s already got plenty. At what point is he considered to be extorting the money from the Saints?
    _____________________________
    Are you serious? extortion? He’s simply saying he’s not willing to sign the tender. The fact that they need him is irrelevant. It’s also obvious. They wouldn’t be offering him a spot on their roster at all if they didn’t think he’d make them better. Brees, on the other hand, has every right to say he won’t sign the tender. It’s his only leverage really given the franchise tag rules. Besides, if anyone is coming close to extortion it’s the Saints. they’re the ones who slapped the franchise tag on Brees, ultimately saying “sign a contract with us, or you don’t get to play at all”.

  16. timsmooth says: Apr 11, 2012 6:33 PM

    Dumb people please shut the f up!!!!! You know NOTHING! You spew hate & drink hater-ade!! Can’t wait Til the season starts so we can continue to throttle teams. GEAUX SAINTS!

  17. dwoofer says: Apr 11, 2012 6:34 PM

    He’s welcome to sign with the Cardinals….

  18. dewalt2990 says: Apr 11, 2012 6:34 PM

    The Saints are bad…..Go Lions!

  19. mjkelly77 says: Apr 11, 2012 6:34 PM

    Man, what a dysfunctional franchise.

  20. AlanSaysYo says: Apr 11, 2012 6:36 PM

    If it wasn’t for you meddlesome bloggers, Drew would have gotten his hush-hush lifetime exemption from the franchise tag. This is all your fault, internet.

  21. genericuser8888 says: Apr 11, 2012 6:37 PM

    The Saints (rumor) have already offered him the largest contract in NFL history (about $20 million a season). He turned it down.

    The $23 million a year that he wants would harm the team’s ability to sign new players and retain long term talent. GM Mickey Loomis doesn’t want to make this a one man team like the Colts were when Manning went down.

    Drew will sign. He may sit out training camp, but he will sign. His decision looks like this:

    Sign Loomis long term deal and become the highest paid player in the NFL. $20 millionish a season over the life of the deal.

    OR

    Sit out. Lose the $16 million you would make from signing the franchise tag, and lose out on the extra $4-6 million you would get from year one of taking loomis offer. In total, he will lose about $4 or $5 million if he signs the tag. He will lose $20-$21 million if he chooses to sit out a year.

    $21 million is a lot of money. Even if he sat out a year, he would never be able to make that money back up by signing a deal elsewhere for the $23 million a year he wants.

    Tom Condon (Drew’s Agent) managed to get over on the Colts GM, but he won’t get over on Loomis.

    This is an ego thing for Condon and Drew, I think, but in the end $$$$ counts more than ego. They will sign the offer because they know they will never be able to make up the lost money from sitting out a year.

  22. chawk12thman says: Apr 11, 2012 6:37 PM

    Capitalism; gotta love it.

  23. slickster35 says: Apr 11, 2012 6:39 PM

    The franchise is hesitant to sign Brees to big money, knowing he’ll have a huge bounty on his head from here on out, and will likely be severely injured for the remainder of his playing career, if not completely knocked out of the league by seasons end.

    Wise move on their part.

  24. bodybagx says: Apr 11, 2012 6:40 PM

    “Brees will be traded to someone. The Saints are in a state of decline and they need to reload with younger talent. The bounty situation will take them out of contention this year and probably next as well. Drew is an aging talent and will wind up with a QB-needy team by training camp. You heard it here first.”

    Meanwhile, back on Earth Pime, the Saints have silently added modest to competitve upgrades on the defensive side of the ball and have retained all but 1 starter from an offense that posted Tecmo Bowl numbers against some of the best teams in the league.

    You can argue that the Saints D was making a mockery of justice over the pst 3 years but it’s much harder to deny the manner in which their offense mocked mathematics. Which was ruthless.

  25. hey804 says: Apr 11, 2012 6:45 PM

    He’ll sign for the largest contract in NFL history. Benson needs to give the Saints fans something to be happy about and a few extra mil a year is a cheap price to pay to ease the pressure during this PR armageddon.

    Saints fans, especially now, are going to take Brees’ side over the Saints, considering he did put together the best 6 years in NFL history having thrown for the most TD, yards, and completion % of anyone ever during that stretch. Also there is still lingering distrust between Benson and the fan base following his attempt to move the team after Katrina.

    People can hate on Brees all they want, but this isn’t a guy whose ever been accused of rape, gotten a DUI, fought dogs, or even been arrested for ANYTHING. He’s as safe and wholesome as they come with an uncanny work ethic. Exactly what any franchise would want in a QB. Saints O-line and WRs are all grossly overrated because Brees makes them all that much better.

    He’ll be the helm come Sept. and as a betting man, I’d certainly wager on the Saints making it back into the playoffs. The last time there was a really good team that had an “us against the world” mentality was the Patriots after Spygate, and we all remember the season they had.

  26. thejuddstir says: Apr 11, 2012 6:47 PM

    Brees refuses to believe that he doesn’t have a contract and wants an explanation from Goodell why people are saying he doesn’t. …….it shouldn’t be a problem getting a contract done now the Aints* can take all that money left over in the “bounty pool” and give it to Brees.

  27. propertyofthebroncos says: Apr 11, 2012 6:50 PM

    timsmooth, that is what we call classic denial. I would be ashamed too. no need to lash out just because you’re a fan of an embarrassing organization that just gets worse by the day. no one should take Brees he’s nothing but an arrogant dome qb with no business asking for more money.

  28. howmanyringsyourteamgot says: Apr 11, 2012 6:53 PM

    That he continues to deny the existence of the bounty program when Payton and Williams already acknowledged it existed makes Brees look like an ass and kills any credibility he might have when he says anything. But let’s be honest if training camp rolls around and he’s still unsigned the Saints have a major problem bigger than anything related to Bountygate. Players will still have his back as they all support guys getting their money but its gonna be a blow to whatever confidence the team has left if Chase Daniel is taking the snaps with the starters in camp while Brees sits at home.

  29. howmanyringsyourteamgot says: Apr 11, 2012 6:54 PM

    That he continues to deny the existence of the bounty program when Payton and Williams already acknowledged it existed makes Brees look like an ass and kills any credibility he might have when he says anything. But let’s be honest if training camp rolls around and he’s still unsigned the Saints have a major problem bigger than anything related to Bountygate. Players will still have his back as they all support guys getting their money but its gonna be a blow to whatever confidence the team has left if Chase Daniel is taking the snaps with the starters in camp while Brees sits at home.

  30. musicman495 says: Apr 11, 2012 6:57 PM

    I love it how those who worship at the altar of the free enterprise system cannot stand it when someone fairly and legally represents themselves in a contract negotiation, rather than automatically capitulating to whatever management deigns to give him.

    My guess is that the Saints are waiting in part on the player suspensions to be announced, so they know how much cap room they need to use to replace suspended players. I expect Brees to be signed by the first mini camp after the draft. That way, he can have the satisfaction of holding out for and getting what he thinks he has earned, without really hurting the team’s off season program.

  31. robert831 says: Apr 11, 2012 6:59 PM

    Pay the man already! This is sad, the Saints are a crap organization, no loyalty to the savior….

  32. bubba9er says: Apr 11, 2012 7:00 PM

    This roller coaster ride is getting worse by the day for New Orleans. Even as a 9ers fan I feel bad for Saints Fan. A couple of years ago Green Day was singing “The Saints are coming…” Without Drew Brees, the Saints are “dust in the wind…”

  33. bigwinintx says: Apr 11, 2012 7:01 PM

    He has them over a barrell and he knows it!

    The minute they balk at his demands, he can sign the tender and bolt next season!

    Which is why the Saints’ front office is probably the most media ignorant of the league!

    Just when you NEED a bit of good news for your fanbase and to show the rest of the league you’re still intact, these idiots don’t want to secure their franchise quarterback!

    Pay the man; he’s all you got right now to rally around!

    By the way; I still despise The Saints with a passion!

  34. nineroutsider says: Apr 11, 2012 7:05 PM

    chawk12thman says: Apr 11, 2012 6:37 PM

    Capitalism; gotta love it.
    —————————————————————
    Not really bro, do the terms “franchise tag”, “salary cap”, “draft”, “slotted draft pay scale”, and “revenue sharing” sound capitalistic to you? The NFL is a prime example of Socialism at work, not even welfare capitalism, pure socialism.

    That must drive the dittoheads crazy (if they are intelligent enough to realize it and during the lockout they weren’t, but perhaps Rush has been educating…please do tell)!

  35. richkotite says: Apr 11, 2012 7:19 PM

    This is where the Loomis suspension kills the Saints. Reports out of NO are the Brees was LIVID when he was tagged, and if you think back to his injury and departure from SD, it isn’t hard to understand why. This is one of the few situations where a “financial apology” makes sense, even if they have to overpay. This guy is THE reason the Saints are even relevant. Don’t be stupid, New Orleans.

  36. slammincamnewton says: Apr 11, 2012 7:21 PM

    Panthers win the South! Enjoy your year off Brees.

  37. bolted4life says: Apr 11, 2012 7:22 PM

    Chargers 2.0

  38. grandpoopah says: Apr 11, 2012 7:22 PM

    Karma would be Brees playing under the franchise tag in 2012 and having his career ended by a dirty hit.

  39. disp2 says: Apr 11, 2012 7:23 PM

    “The last time there was a really good team that had an “us against the world” mentality was the Patriots after Spygate, and we all remember the season they had.”

    How did that work out for them?

    That team also wasn’t missing their head coach, gm, linebackers coach, and likely a couple players for several games. Oh and their QB was under contract heading into OTA’s.

  40. jagsfanugh says: Apr 11, 2012 7:33 PM

    Saints will finish dead last in their own division this season and that little qb knows it. He is a known liar so good luck Saints fans.

  41. cowboyscanada says: Apr 11, 2012 7:42 PM

    Good! Hopes he sits out the whole season. He shouldnt be allowed to play for lying about his knowledge of the bounty debacle!

  42. 6thsense79 says: Apr 11, 2012 7:49 PM

    genericuser8888 says:Apr 11, 2012 6:37 PM

    The Saints (rumor) have already offered him the largest contract in NFL history (about $20 million a season). He turned it down.

    The $23 million a year that he wants would harm the team’s ability to sign new players and retain long term talent. GM Mickey Loomis doesn’t want to make this a one man team like the Colts were when Manning went down.

    Drew will sign. He may sit out training camp, but he will sign. His decision looks like this:

    Sign Loomis long term deal and become the highest paid player in the NFL. $20 millionish a season over the life of the deal.

    OR

    Sit out. Lose the $16 million you would make from signing the franchise tag, and lose out on the extra $4-6 million you would get from year one of taking loomis offer. In total, he will lose about $4 or $5 million if he signs the tag. He will lose $20-$21 million if he chooses to sit out a year.

    $21 million is a lot of money. Even if he sat out a year, he would never be able to make that money back up by signing a deal elsewhere for the $23 million a year he wants.

    Tom Condon (Drew’s Agent) managed to get over on the Colts GM, but he won’t get over on Loomis.

    This is an ego thing for Condon and Drew, I think, but in the end $$$$ counts more than ego. They will sign the offer because they know they will never be able to make up the lost money from sitting out a year.
    ————————————————
    First off you have no idea what the Saints offered Brees…..Oh yea all you’ve got is a rumor….and even if the rumor is true you have no idea how the contract is structured…..you see an NFL contracts aren’t guaranteed…In the NFL the average dollar amount of any contract doesn’t matter….the only thing that matters are the guarantees so the first part of your post about what yearly average the Saints were rumored to offer Brees is just that a rumor and even if true means nothing until the details of the contract is known…And just in case you don’t get it…here’s an example…as a player I’d rather sign a front loaded 5 year 80 million dollar contract with 50 million dollar guaranteed than a back loaded 5 year 100 million dollar contract with 35 million guaranteed….same yearly average…vastly different contract…

    Secondly,
    THIS IS A ONE MAN TEAM. Take Brees away from the Saints and they don’t go. This is a QUARTERBACK LEAGUE. The Saints have one of the best in the league. I’ve read so many times on this site how running backs should suck it up and sign for whatever teams offer them instead of holding out because running backs are “a dime a dozen” and this is now a “quarterback league”. Well the inverse is just as true in negotiations with Quarterbacks. This is a Quarterback league. The Saints (if they want to win) should suck it up and get Brees signed.

    Third,
    You talk about how much Brees stands to lose if he holds out and doesn’t sign the franchise tag offer….But you failed to mention what Brees has brought up about if he signs a 1 year tag and gets hurt like he did in San Diego that he stands to loose tens of millions more. Brees has already publicly stated that’s a risk he’s not willing to take this time around. Besides Brees can hold out well into the season and then sign the tag in order to get credit. But if the Saints don’t get Brees in by at least pre season they can kiss their season good bye. The team will stand to lose much more money than Brees in terms of a miss play off game, and decline in attendance.

    Lastly,

    Loomis only has himself to blame for this. He could have signed Brees to an extension well before the market for Super star Franchise Quarterbacks went through the roof but for whatever reason he did not. The contract numbers for Brees kept going up with each day and now we’re at the present day situation. How they let it get to this is beyond me….Look at how different front offices treated their Super star franchise quarterbacks: Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Rothelisburger, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, Philip Rivers…..What front office lets the contract situation with their superstar QB get so bad that they had to Franchise him?

  43. thcnote says: Apr 11, 2012 8:01 PM

    Piss on Brees. I’ve grown to hate this dude in the last couple months.

  44. cowboyscanada says: Apr 11, 2012 8:21 PM

    Brees lied to everyone about his knowledge of the bounty program! He shouldnt be allowed to play this year!
    Wait until the public hearings come about and he has to eat his words.

  45. deathtoshorty says: Apr 11, 2012 8:25 PM

    Hey aints why dont you get creative and break some more rules and just pay him under the table. Youve thumbed your nose at everything else the NFL has told you not to do. Go Aints!

  46. dkeyser says: Apr 11, 2012 8:26 PM

    6thsense79 says:Apr 11, 20Lastly,

    Loomis only has himself to blame for this. He could have signed Brees to an extension well before the market for Super star Franchise Quarterbacks went through the roof but for whatever reason he did not. The contract numbers for Brees kept going up with each day and now we’re at the present day situation. How they let it get to this is beyond me….Look at how different front offices treated their Super star franchise quarterbacks: Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Rothelisburger, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, Philip Rivers…..What front office lets the contract situation with their superstar QB get so bad that they had to Franchise him?
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    He tried to sign him to an extension 2 years ago that would have paid him roughly $18.5-$19 mil a season, but Brees wanted to wait till he had 1 year left on his deal. BTW the extension would have made him the highest paid player in the league… And for all the talk about the franchise QB’s, you left out the MAIN reason NOT to spend 25% of your salary cap on one player.. Peyton Manning.. Also none of those QB’s makes or has held out for $24 mil a year.. Rivers makes about $12 mil, Matt Cassell about $12.5 mil, Matt Ryan $12.7 mil, Eli Manning $13 mil, Stafford $13 mil, Brady $13.3 mil, Vick $14.5 mil, Big Ben $14.7 mil, Peyton Manning $17 mil and Mark Sanchez $17.7 mil… Now tell me what is wrong with the Saints offering $18.5 mil?? Hell even $20 mil?.. Condon and Brees are greedy and thats all it boils down to.. period, end of story

  47. andyreiddoublecheeseburger says: Apr 11, 2012 8:30 PM

    Brees is a great player- but my God is he a pain in the butt. N.O. almost would be better off trading him for a boatload of picks and pick up a short-term answer. I hear Donovan McNabb is available.

  48. chawbaw says: Apr 11, 2012 9:05 PM

    Idiots…. Obviously Loomis is waiting for the player suspensions come down before anything. If Vilma and others gets suspended multiple games, they get cut….which opens up cap room

  49. genericuser8888 says: Apr 11, 2012 9:14 PM

    @6thsense79

    Please make no mistake, I realize that contract structure makes a big difference. I also follow the Saints very closely, and I know that Mickey Loomis usually does a good job of making fair contract offers. However, he does tend to wait till the last minute sometimes (e.g. He waited until the last minute to make Carl Nicks a “respectable” offer.)

    The Saints already have about $16 million in guaranteed money going to Drew if he signs the franchise tag. The rumor is that Loomis offered him around $20 million a season over the life of the contract, which seems reasonable. Now, the question for you is, do you really think Loomis balked at an extra $3.5 to $4 million in guaranteed money for the upcoming year?

    I sure don’t.

    Would he have balked at an extra $7 to $8 million a year in guaranteed money? Possibly so.

    It seems more logical to me that Tom Condon, Drew’s agent, was asking for $23 million a year (the rumor) guaranteed for the first few years, and Loomis doesn’t agree with that number. Loomis is probably trying to get $18.5 to $20 million a year guaranteed in the first few years.

    If Drew sits out, he loses out on a minimum of $16 million next year (the franchise tag salary). Based on rumors, which I find believable, he likely loses out on $19.5 to $21 million in salary by sitting out. so, I don’t think he will sit out. It is unlikely that he would make that missing revenue up over the life of his NFL career if he did not take the offer.

    Now, admittedly, all this is based on the idea that Loomis made a “fair” offer to Drew, which included a ton, but not a ridiculous amount of guaranteed money over the first two years.

    As a Saints fan, I have seen Loomis manage to sign Jimmy Graham, Drew Brees, Darren Sproles, a pro-bowl replacement for Carl Nicks, Marques Colston, and a variety of other great talents. I have NO REASON to doubt that Micky offered Drew a fair contract. However, I also have no doubt that Tom Condon is trying his best to break the bank with the Saints.

    Drew won’t sign the tag ($16 million guaranteed), so he either loses out on an offer that is likely $19 to $20 million in guaranteed money over the firs few years, or he signs the deal.

    Sure, it’s all speculation, but for Saints fans, Loomis has proven himself a great GM. He can’t help it that he’s dealing with, Tom Condon, widely known as the most demanding agent in the NFL.

  50. genericuser8888 says: Apr 11, 2012 9:18 PM

    Also, don’t forget that Peyton Manning was franchise tagged in 2011.

    Just because your star QB gets tagged doesn’t mean a deal won’t be reached.

  51. electionconfidential says: Apr 11, 2012 9:26 PM

    I realize that the Saints have the spotlight on them… puts them at a disadvantage, but usually when you turn the kitchen light on you hope to not see THIS many roaches rolling around. I don’t think Goodell can ever do enough to get inside these guys heads. They’re hopelessly arrogant to the man.

  52. 6thsense79 says: Apr 11, 2012 9:38 PM

    dkeyser says:Apr 11, 2012 8:26 PM

    6thsense79 says:Apr 11, 20Lastly,

    Loomis only has himself to blame for this. He could have signed Brees to an extension well before the market for Super star Franchise Quarterbacks went through the roof but for whatever reason he did not. The contract numbers for Brees kept going up with each day and now we’re at the present day situation. How they let it get to this is beyond me….Look at how different front offices treated their Super star franchise quarterbacks: Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Rothelisburger, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, Philip Rivers…..What front office lets the contract situation with their superstar QB get so bad that they had to Franchise him?
    ———————————————————-
    He tried to sign him to an extension 2 years ago that would have paid him roughly $18.5-$19 mil a season, but Brees wanted to wait till he had 1 year left on his deal. BTW the extension would have made him the highest paid player in the league… And for all the talk about the franchise QB’s, you left out the MAIN reason NOT to spend 25% of your salary cap on one player.. Peyton Manning.. Also none of those QB’s makes or has held out for $24 mil a year.. Rivers makes about $12 mil, Matt Cassell about $12.5 mil, Matt Ryan $12.7 mil, Eli Manning $13 mil, Stafford $13 mil, Brady $13.3 mil, Vick $14.5 mil, Big Ben $14.7 mil, Peyton Manning $17 mil and Mark Sanchez $17.7 mil… Now tell me what is wrong with the Saints offering $18.5 mil?? Hell even $20 mil?.. Condon and Brees are greedy and thats all it boils down to.. period, end of story
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    First off…..Please do tell…Provide a link where you got your information that Brees was offered $18.5-$19 million a season ago.

    Secondly please refer to my previous post because I’ve already made it clear why the yearly average for any NFL deal is useless and the only numbers that matter are the guarantees and how the contract is structured.

    Third….Peyton Manning (a star quarterback) in a quarterback league eating 25% of a team’s salary cap is not a problem to me or most owners. All I know is the Colts SUCKED for years before Manning was drafted and made the playoffs for over 10 straight years plus 2 superbowls winning 1….Most teams in this league would gladly pay 25% of their cap and more if that was the result they receive.

    Fourth and I can’t say this enough….your quoting of average yearly salary for Super star QBs is USELESS. The devil is in the details. Only thing that counts, the only thing that matters are the guarantees in the contract and how the contract is structured.

    Fifth as I’ve stated before…..why didn’t the Saints get this deal done before reaching this point? Don’t give me this BS about average salary….If they made a fair market deal, heck if they made a slightly above market deal (please remember I don’t care about yearly average. That’s a useless number.) Brees would be signed right now. At the present moment Brees holds ALL the cards:

    1. This is a QB league
    2. He is one of the top 5 QB in the league
    3. Without him the Saints go no where
    4. With the whole Bounty Gate thing the Saints need him more now than ever before.
    5. Outside of Payton I don’t think there’s anyone on the team as familiar and knowleadgable about the offense as Brees/
    6. The Offense is hands down the strength of the Saints and it’s a passing offense
    7. Who the heck is the back up QB for the Saints????
    8. Brees knows all this.

  53. brownsalwaysrebuilding says: Apr 11, 2012 9:41 PM

    Browns should give up a 1st rounder to trade for him. Browns have 2 first-rounders this year and missed the boat on RGIII.

  54. 6thsense79 says: Apr 11, 2012 10:04 PM

    genericuser8888 says:Apr 11, 2012 9:14 PM

    @6thsense79

    Please make no mistake, I realize that contract structure makes a big difference. I also follow the Saints very closely, and I know that Mickey Loomis usually does a good job of making fair contract offers. However, he does tend to wait till the last minute sometimes (e.g. He waited until the last minute to make Carl Nicks a “respectable” offer.)

    The Saints already have about $16 million in guaranteed money going to Drew if he signs the franchise tag. The rumor is that Loomis offered him around $20 million a season over the life of the contract, which seems reasonable. Now, the question for you is, do you really think Loomis balked at an extra $3.5 to $4 million in guaranteed money for the upcoming year? …….
    ————————————-
    Try as I might I can’t debate with speculation and it seems a majority of your argument is based on speculation and gut feeling. Bottom line for me is and will always be the Saints controlled the purse string and they let it get to this point. Not only did the decision to Franchise their star QB upset said QB but it prevented them from Franchising another valuable player. This should have been a no brainer.

    Personally I believe Drew Brees is every bit as important to the Saints as Peyton Manning was to the Colts so even if he was asking for Peyton Money I wouldn’t blink. I remember what the Saints were before Sean Payton and Drew Brees joined the team and it wasn’t pretty. Brees is by far the best QB the Saints have ever had.

  55. lonewizard says: Apr 11, 2012 10:19 PM

    Brees is a very good QB but a piece of sh-t person. Stand your ground Saints, the coward will come around.

  56. silvernblak says: Apr 11, 2012 10:54 PM

    Hey Brees your way over to the black Hole at Raider Nation Baby! Just Win Baby!!!

  57. ericf70 says: Apr 11, 2012 11:00 PM

    I’ll pay $20 to anyone who can get some inside info on this situation.

  58. saints4evah says: Apr 11, 2012 11:32 PM

    They will get it done, and then they’ll make a run…to the Super Bowl and beyond! WHO DAT!

    Risin’ above the hate is easy. Just ride the hot air from all these windbags up and over and out!

  59. duece5 says: Apr 11, 2012 11:52 PM

    hey804 says:Apr 11, 2012 6:45 PM

    He’ll sign for the largest contract in NFL history. Benson needs to give the Saints fans something to be happy about and a few extra mil a year is a cheap price to pay to ease the pressure during this PR armageddon.

    Saints fans, especially now, are going to take Brees’ side over the Saints, considering he did put together the best 6 years in NFL history having thrown for the most TD, yards, and completion % of anyone ever during that stretch. Also there is still lingering distrust between Benson and the fan base following his attempt to move the team after Katrina.

    People can hate on Brees all they want, but this isn’t a guy whose ever been accused of rape, gotten a DUI, fought dogs, or even been arrested for ANYTHING. He’s as safe and wholesome as they come with an uncanny work ethic. Exactly what any franchise would want in a QB. Saints O-line and WRs are all grossly overrated because Brees makes them all that much better.

    He’ll be the helm come Sept. and as a betting man, I’d certainly wager on the Saints making it back into the playoffs. The last time there was a really good team that had an “us against the world” mentality was the Patriots after Spygate, and we all remember the season they had.

    diece5 says:

    Yep, I remember…..THEY CHOKED!!

  60. christopher525 says: Apr 12, 2012 12:12 AM

    @chawbaw, that might make sense, if they had people filling every spot they “cut” already. Letting people go opens cap room, but you STILL need to replace those you cut.

  61. eaglebobby says: Apr 12, 2012 12:20 AM

    Brees is the new Peyton Manning–“Screw the rest of the team, I want more money. Doesn’t matter if you can’t give me young players around me or a decent O line to protect me, as long as I get mine.”

    Pay the man!

    Brees grossly outplayed the 6 Year #60 Million contract he signed in 2006 without any drama or holdouts. The Saints need to step up!

    The Saints offered him 20M a year and guaranteed 35M. He wants 23M a year and 45M.

    He should take a page out of Phils’ pitcher Cliff Lee’s book. When asked why he chose the Phils instead of the Yankees and left 25M on the table, he said to reporters–“What can I do with 25M that I can’t do with 20M?”

  62. paulienuts says: Apr 12, 2012 1:00 AM

    I gotta laugh at you idiots who dog DB in another post about his commenting upon the Goodell punishment scheme and in this thread you all are all wishing and swooning in your girly pants that he would come to your team. Dream on girls.

  63. CKL says: Apr 12, 2012 2:21 AM

    @6thsense79,

    As someone pointed out, PM was franchised in 2011. He was also franchised in 2004. So yes, some franchises “let it get to that” with their QB, especially when it comes to Condon clients. It’s tough not to, he’s a bleep bleep. This is purely his MO, and it obviously is just fine with his clients since they pay his salary.

  64. patsaintsbroncoscheat says: Apr 12, 2012 4:08 AM

    He probably wants to get away from those idiots as soon as possible maybe win a legitimate Superbowl.

  65. eagleswin says: Apr 12, 2012 7:29 AM

    genericuser8888 says:Apr 11, 2012 6:37 PM

    The Saints (rumor) have already offered him the largest contract in NFL history (about $20 million a season). He turned it down.
    ———————————

    If that is the annual average of the contract offered Brees I would be interested in seeing the breakdown for the first couple of years.

    The reason i say this is that when Peyton Manning signed his last contract with the Colts he was averaging $25 mill/yr over the first couple of years with the last few years being dummy years to lower the cap hit and allow Manning to appear to be mother theresa for not taking up more cap space when in reality he was making much more than any other player in the league.

  66. gadzod says: Apr 12, 2012 7:41 AM

    Pay the man. Brees made the Saints, the Saints didn’t make Brees.

  67. eagleswin says: Apr 12, 2012 8:32 AM

    gadzod says:Apr 12, 2012 7:41 AM

    Pay the man. Brees made the Saints, the Saints didn’t make Brees.

    ——————————-

    They are trying to pay him. The real question is, how much?

    Whatever he wants is not a valid answer. This reminds me of all the “Pay the Man” talk about Chris Johnson last year, how’d that work out for the Titans?

  68. winningisabrees says: Apr 12, 2012 9:18 AM

    ProDolphinsTalk says:
    Apr 11, 2012 6:19 PM
    Give them credit, the Dolphins tried as hard as they could but the ‘Worst Offseason’ Prize goes out to the Saints. Time to get the paper bags back out if Brees isn’t on the field in 2012.

    NEWCOMERS

    G

    Ben Grubbs

    DT

    Brodrick Bunkley

    LB

    Chris Chamberlain

    LB

    Curtis Lofton

    LB

    David Hawthorne

    Yes “bad off-season”

  69. 4gone says: Apr 12, 2012 10:53 AM

    Brees is the new Peyton Manning–”Screw the rest of the team, I want more money. Doesn’t matter if you can’t give me young players around me or a decent O line to protect me, as long as I get mine.”

    100% Accurate Eaglebobby

    Drew Brees = True Greed

  70. toolkien says: Apr 12, 2012 10:56 AM

    Capitalism; gotta love it.
    —————————————–

    You’re right. Brees should be forced to work at gun point for The People/Proletariat/Volk/Citoyens – whichever brand of socialism you happen to follow.

    And as someone already touched upon, the NFL is about as anti-capitalistic as you can get. If the NFL is was based on a free-market, with no labor racketeering or Forced taxpayer involvement, Brees would be making about $2M a year and happy as a clam to get it.

  71. snakeize says: Apr 12, 2012 1:09 PM

    Lets not forget b4 Brees we had bags on our heads so pay da man!

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