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		<title>By: robert831</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ban for life williams
ban for life payton
ban for life loomis
ban for life vitt
all players involved suspended for 2 years
loss of 3 first round picks
convict and hang zimmerman]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ban for life williams<br />
ban for life payton<br />
ban for life loomis<br />
ban for life vitt<br />
all players involved suspended for 2 years<br />
loss of 3 first round picks<br />
convict and hang zimmerman</p>
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		<title>By: rabbdogg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rabbdogg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2012 08:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[free payton
free loomis
free vitt
fry zimmerman]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>free payton<br />
free loomis<br />
free vitt<br />
fry zimmerman</p>
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		<title>By: whodatgirl1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[whodatgirl1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2012 03:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m curious as to how the NFL can prove that a player accepted the payment offering. Can they check their e-mail accounts? I understand that they apparently proved that there was an offering of cash for hits. This is speculation, but wouldn&#039;t they offerer have just given the dude the cash and there be no paper trail? 

Some may comment on Anthony Hargrove&#039;s infamous &quot;pay me my money&quot; rant, but pay-for-performance bonuses are written into contracts for specific things like interceptions, tackles, and sacks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious as to how the NFL can prove that a player accepted the payment offering. Can they check their e-mail accounts? I understand that they apparently proved that there was an offering of cash for hits. This is speculation, but wouldn&#8217;t they offerer have just given the dude the cash and there be no paper trail? </p>
<p>Some may comment on Anthony Hargrove&#8217;s infamous &#8220;pay me my money&#8221; rant, but pay-for-performance bonuses are written into contracts for specific things like interceptions, tackles, and sacks.</p>
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		<title>By: mrpilsner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mrpilsner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, it&#039;s not amazing how something peter king said six days ago carries weight with Florio today and how so many posters and Florio seem willing to mitigate CHEATING.... Screw the Saints! They got caught and a good man, hired by the owners of the 32 teams, gets castigated (for the most part) by this collection of apologists and windsocks. 

Free George Zimmerman but keep those lying, cheating &quot;Saints*&quot; away from the NFL, where professionalism and sport are supposed to be confidently  assumed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it&#8217;s not amazing how something peter king said six days ago carries weight with Florio today and how so many posters and Florio seem willing to mitigate CHEATING&#8230;. Screw the Saints! They got caught and a good man, hired by the owners of the 32 teams, gets castigated (for the most part) by this collection of apologists and windsocks. </p>
<p>Free George Zimmerman but keep those lying, cheating &#8220;Saints*&#8221; away from the NFL, where professionalism and sport are supposed to be confidently  assumed.</p>
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		<title>By: kathyisintheroom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kathyisintheroom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[skol says:

&quot;another person in the dark, People wake up. If you think these people did not have a clue, you need to get a few clues&quot;. 

&quot;Does anyone actually read anything or just jump on the message board before you read the whole story. DUH&quot;

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Do you just post nonsense cause you want to see your assinine thoughts in print?

Please go to WalMart, go to the toys section, find the board game area, then buy that classic whodunnit game. Cause THAT is the only Clue you will ever have.

PFT, Please recruit some intelligent, knowledgeable football fans, and gong the gong-show contestants like Skol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>skol says:</p>
<p>&#8220;another person in the dark, People wake up. If you think these people did not have a clue, you need to get a few clues&#8221;. </p>
<p>&#8220;Does anyone actually read anything or just jump on the message board before you read the whole story. DUH&#8221;</p>
<p>*************************************</p>
<p>Do you just post nonsense cause you want to see your assinine thoughts in print?</p>
<p>Please go to WalMart, go to the toys section, find the board game area, then buy that classic whodunnit game. Cause THAT is the only Clue you will ever have.</p>
<p>PFT, Please recruit some intelligent, knowledgeable football fans, and gong the gong-show contestants like Skol.</p>
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		<title>By: randomguy9999</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[randomguy9999]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[anyone employing a former saint knows the hammer is coming..... so if they don&#039;t plan for that... it&#039;s on them....

the players deserve their punishment too....  and it warrants some fearsome punishment....  so I hope the NFL breaks the paddle on them....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyone employing a former saint knows the hammer is coming&#8230;.. so if they don&#8217;t plan for that&#8230; it&#8217;s on them&#8230;.</p>
<p>the players deserve their punishment too&#8230;.  and it warrants some fearsome punishment&#8230;.  so I hope the NFL breaks the paddle on them&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: skol77</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[skol77]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[kathyisintheroom:  
another person in the dark, People wake up. If you think these people did not have a clue, you need to get a few clues. 

doubleogator:
not being suspended for having a bounty, being suspended for lying for 2 or 3 years to the commish and probably for STUPIDITY for not ending it when commish said to end it.

Does anyone actually read anything or just jump on the message board before you read the whole story.  DUH]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kathyisintheroom:<br />
another person in the dark, People wake up. If you think these people did not have a clue, you need to get a few clues. </p>
<p>doubleogator:<br />
not being suspended for having a bounty, being suspended for lying for 2 or 3 years to the commish and probably for STUPIDITY for not ending it when commish said to end it.</p>
<p>Does anyone actually read anything or just jump on the message board before you read the whole story.  DUH</p>
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		<title>By: mdd913</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mdd913]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Above poster is correct. Will probably be Vilma, Smith, Fujita getting the worst of it. Maybe Roman Harper, Remi Ayodele and Anthony Hargrove as well. 

All they can do is go after the supposed ringleaders because, let&#039;s face it, we&#039;ve all seen the tapes and the illegal hits just aren&#039;t there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Above poster is correct. Will probably be Vilma, Smith, Fujita getting the worst of it. Maybe Roman Harper, Remi Ayodele and Anthony Hargrove as well. </p>
<p>All they can do is go after the supposed ringleaders because, let&#8217;s face it, we&#8217;ve all seen the tapes and the illegal hits just aren&#8217;t there.</p>
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		<title>By: kathyisintheroom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kathyisintheroom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[kodakinvegas says: 
Apr 14, 2012 1:55 PM 
I would rather him take the time to reach a fair decision than to see a rush to judgement. Not to mention he’s trying to let some of the initial impact to cool down. Time is an attorney’s best friend so to speak and so it is I’n this case. If he gets “pushed” on this it could blow up in their faces. Be calm.

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Seriously?

You don&#039;t think the Gestapo rushed to judgement on the team?

Taking 2 draft picks
Suspending the HC for a FULL season at a cost of 7 million
Suspending indefinately ( a full season) the perpetrator

All those punishments for something every freakin team does in the NFL AND college in some similar fashion.

Players admit they try to take out the best players on opposing teams cause it will increase the odds of winning

Goodell is going power crazy and over the top because all of these former players are sueing now .

The Saints are being railroaded for fear of lawsuits.
Just like George Zimmerman is being railroaded for fear of riots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kodakinvegas says:<br />
Apr 14, 2012 1:55 PM<br />
I would rather him take the time to reach a fair decision than to see a rush to judgement. Not to mention he’s trying to let some of the initial impact to cool down. Time is an attorney’s best friend so to speak and so it is I’n this case. If he gets “pushed” on this it could blow up in their faces. Be calm.</p>
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<p>Seriously?</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t think the Gestapo rushed to judgement on the team?</p>
<p>Taking 2 draft picks<br />
Suspending the HC for a FULL season at a cost of 7 million<br />
Suspending indefinately ( a full season) the perpetrator</p>
<p>All those punishments for something every freakin team does in the NFL AND college in some similar fashion.</p>
<p>Players admit they try to take out the best players on opposing teams cause it will increase the odds of winning</p>
<p>Goodell is going power crazy and over the top because all of these former players are sueing now .</p>
<p>The Saints are being railroaded for fear of lawsuits.<br />
Just like George Zimmerman is being railroaded for fear of riots.</p>
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		<title>By: phillyphever</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 17:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most likely it&#039;s gonna be Vilma, Will Smith and Scott Fujita getting suspended (Sharper would have gotten the worse if he wasn&#039;t retired, but his most likely punishment is not making it to the HOF).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most likely it&#8217;s gonna be Vilma, Will Smith and Scott Fujita getting suspended (Sharper would have gotten the worse if he wasn&#8217;t retired, but his most likely punishment is not making it to the HOF).</p>
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		<title>By: kodakinvegas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kodakinvegas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 17:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would rather him take the time to reach a fair decision than to see a rush to judgement. Not to mention he&#039;s trying to let some of the initial impact to cool down. Time is an attorney&#039;s best friend so to speak and so it is I&#039;n this case. If he gets &quot;pushed&quot; on this it could blow up in their faces. Be calm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would rather him take the time to reach a fair decision than to see a rush to judgement. Not to mention he&#8217;s trying to let some of the initial impact to cool down. Time is an attorney&#8217;s best friend so to speak and so it is I&#8217;n this case. If he gets &#8220;pushed&#8221; on this it could blow up in their faces. Be calm.</p>
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		<title>By: doubleogator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[doubleogator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 17:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Enough already. The Saints have been hit harder than any NFL team in history, and for something that many other teams have done for years. Football is a violent game, and players get hurt all the time, if Goodell wants player safety to be a major issue, then play flag football from now on...Take away the head coach for a year, take away the GM for half the season, take away the interim head coach for six weeks, fine the team 500K, now suspend players too! wow, why didn&#039;t he just suspend the whole team for 2012? You know who suffers most? The fans, who had nothing to do with any of this, Goodell didn&#039;t even give that a thought, sorry but he&#039;s a jerk!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough already. The Saints have been hit harder than any NFL team in history, and for something that many other teams have done for years. Football is a violent game, and players get hurt all the time, if Goodell wants player safety to be a major issue, then play flag football from now on&#8230;Take away the head coach for a year, take away the GM for half the season, take away the interim head coach for six weeks, fine the team 500K, now suspend players too! wow, why didn&#8217;t he just suspend the whole team for 2012? You know who suffers most? The fans, who had nothing to do with any of this, Goodell didn&#8217;t even give that a thought, sorry but he&#8217;s a jerk!</p>
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		<title>By: melikefootball</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[melikefootball]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 17:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks as if God-del is backing up some here....follow through what you preached.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks as if God-del is backing up some here&#8230;.follow through what you preached.</p>
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		<title>By: 2ndaryinsanity</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[2ndaryinsanity]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Goodell is in a little bind...I&#039;m sure he doesn&#039;t want players&#039; suspensions over-shadowing the draft. However, it isn&#039;t fair for teams not to know as soon as possible- especially for the one&#039;s who have signed Saints players. I think it would have been better to get this out of the way sooner. But I&#039;m guessing the hold up might have been Goodell trying not to piss off the players&#039; union.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodell is in a little bind&#8230;I&#8217;m sure he doesn&#8217;t want players&#8217; suspensions over-shadowing the draft. However, it isn&#8217;t fair for teams not to know as soon as possible- especially for the one&#8217;s who have signed Saints players. I think it would have been better to get this out of the way sooner. But I&#8217;m guessing the hold up might have been Goodell trying not to piss off the players&#8217; union.</p>
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		<title>By: letmesetyoustraight</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[letmesetyoustraight]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*****
bigperm33 says:Apr 14, 2012 10:54 AM 

No, what the NFL should do is keep dragging its feet and let the story stay front and center in the news for a few more weeks, if not months. Hasn’t Goodell had enough time yet to look into his heart and decide on a punishment?
*****

He has to let this &quot;discipline&quot; dog and pony show go on as long as possible, but in the end it will do nothing to ease the financial pain of trying to make a thousand law suits go away. It was good CYA attempt though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*****<br />
bigperm33 says:Apr 14, 2012 10:54 AM </p>
<p>No, what the NFL should do is keep dragging its feet and let the story stay front and center in the news for a few more weeks, if not months. Hasn’t Goodell had enough time yet to look into his heart and decide on a punishment?<br />
*****</p>
<p>He has to let this &#8220;discipline&#8221; dog and pony show go on as long as possible, but in the end it will do nothing to ease the financial pain of trying to make a thousand law suits go away. It was good CYA attempt though.</p>
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		<title>By: kathyisintheroom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kathyisintheroom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The players were only following orders from a rogue coach(Williams)

If they refused to follow orders then they could have been disciplined for insubordination.


Free Sean Payton
Free Micky Loomis
Free the draft picks
free George Zimmerman]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The players were only following orders from a rogue coach(Williams)</p>
<p>If they refused to follow orders then they could have been disciplined for insubordination.</p>
<p>Free Sean Payton<br />
Free Micky Loomis<br />
Free the draft picks<br />
free George Zimmerman</p>
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		<title>By: bigperm33</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigperm33]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, what the NFL should do is keep dragging its feet and let the story stay front and center in the news for a few more weeks, if not months. Hasn&#039;t Goodell had enough time yet to look into his heart and decide on a punishment?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, what the NFL should do is keep dragging its feet and let the story stay front and center in the news for a few more weeks, if not months. Hasn&#8217;t Goodell had enough time yet to look into his heart and decide on a punishment?</p>
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		<title>By: jpb12</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jpb12]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems clear that &#039;consulting&#039; with the Union is delaying the discipline]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems clear that &#8216;consulting&#8217; with the Union is delaying the discipline</p>
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		<title>By: letmesetyoustraight</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[letmesetyoustraight]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am guessing that the announcement will be delayed until after Payton&#039;s suspension starts on Monday so as to eliminate any input from the head coach on how to deal with them. 

It will also be interesting to see how much cap room the suspensions free up for Loomis to finalize a deal with Brees. I believe they have only 500K of cap room right now plus what they have tied up in the franchise tag.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am guessing that the announcement will be delayed until after Payton&#8217;s suspension starts on Monday so as to eliminate any input from the head coach on how to deal with them. </p>
<p>It will also be interesting to see how much cap room the suspensions free up for Loomis to finalize a deal with Brees. I believe they have only 500K of cap room right now plus what they have tied up in the franchise tag.</p>
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